Decapitation reported on Manitoba bus

just crazy. not sure what else there is to say, really, but details are still coming in.

Mr. Caton said the victim boarded in Edmonton, was Aboriginal in appearance

What?

fkn hell

Mr. Caton said the victim boarded in Edmonton, was Aboriginal in appearance, and was wearing hip-hop clothing, and appeared to be a young man around 20 years of age.

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in the prairies, at night = extra creepy, scary, and awful

one of canada's many savage aborigines

No, he's the guy who got killed

THIRTY-SIX passengers watched as ONE passenger stabbed and decapitated another one.

Frankly I'd charge them as accessories to murder.

Frankly you're a retard

It was like he was at the beach, there was no rage in him

Strange observation

BAN KNIVES

"He didn't do anything to provoke the guy. They guy just took a knife out and stabbed him, started stabbing him like crazy and cut his head off," said Garnet Caton, 36, a passenger.

The bus made an emergency stop, and passengers fled in terror onto the Trans-Canada Highway while the bus's driver and a driver of a nearby truck shut the crazed man inside the bus with the victim. Passengers say they stood outside the bus and watched through the window, horrified, as the man disfigured the victim's body.

accessories to murder? be serious.

Yes, obviously it's retarded to think that 36 people could have raised at least one of their cowardly, lazy fingers to stop one person killing another. Maybe we should just blow the planet up and have done with it.

http://www.angelfire.com/comics/mooreportal/images/kitty02.jpg

Maybe they were scared as shit of the guy with a knife who just went crazy and started stabbing at random. You know, just maybe.

I see where Dingbod is coming from regarding overpowering the guy. But I don't think people have a legal obligation to try to stop something horrible happening near them. Especially not when trying to stop it would likely have ended up with others badly hurt. We can argue about moral responsibility---I see a case there---but claiming legal responsibility is a mistake.

the important thing is to exercise our own swift, harsh judgement on shit we read about for two seconds on the internet

Oilyrags otm

I imagine the passengers' reactions were something of a stunned and collective AHHHHHWTFWTFWTFWTF by which point I'm sure the guy was pretty much dead. And this was at night, right? Like half of them were probably WOKE by this?

(on top of what Oilyrags said)

this is why i won't take the bus

Some people were puking, some people were crying, other people were in shock ... everybody was running, screaming off the bus.

^^^far more understandable reaction than any kind of split second heroic bullshit

(heard this story too many times before, Surmounter? :-)

i'm always afraid of bus crazies!

I take the bus every day and have never been decapitated. Or decapitated anyone else.

And this is TEXAS!

wow

this is why i won't take the bus

Well, not in Manitoba anyway. Certainly not anymore.

I've taken Greyhound from NO to ATL and seen some fucked-up things on there, dudes grinning as they sharpen their knives, people fucking, people just cackling incessantly for hours. I've never seen any violence though.

ewwwww

Dingbod Kesterson in conjunction with Esther Rantzen and the Daily Mail applauds the have-a-go-heroes!

Yeah, I should point out this is the city bus. Last time I did a crosscountry bus trip (just Houston to Austin, actually) it was still pretty mellow, though.

"When we saw the head, we knew he was dead,

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c234/gizmo92067/golfclap.gif

Rode the dog from MN to Phoenix once, it took 48 hours. In the day they blasted the AC and everyone froze to death, at night it was the heat and I couldn't get a wink of sleep because I was sticking to my seat. Cross-eyed red-headed kids from Ohio told me the names of all their farm animals, a 14 year old runaway instructed me in how to rob parking meters, and on a very plain looking middle aged man I saw two of the scariest tattoos I'd ever seen in my life--H A T E on one fist, and when I glanced over looking for L O V E on the other, well, nope, that one said H A T E, too.

I've done Greyhound Canada before (never in the U.S., ironically) and I am 100% decapitation free. Then again, the Vancouver-Whistler route is much shorter.

This is making me twice about taking a Seattle-Ellensburg Greyhound trip in September, though.

haha, THINK twice.

> H A T E on one fist, and when I glanced over looking for L O V E on the other, well, nope, that one said H A T E, too.

Gotta admire his focus, though!

Kerouwacky...

wait, he hates hate? woo!

Guy who got decapitated on Manitoba bus, what's on your iPod?

blood

LOL

I have a sinking feeling Saskatchewan will be implicated in all of this.

People have started calling it Stabmonton.

Not Headmonton?

FWIW, taking the bus in Canada is generally safe. I sleep on the bus most mornings as I've an hour ride in.. once, I was woken up by a guy who told me I shouldn't sleep on the bus, and then proceeded to propose to me. Now I make sure if I am sleeping on the bus, it's in a single seat!

My answer, incidentally, was "You don't even know me, dude!" and then a response of avoiding eye contact with him for the next six months. I'm brave!

six month bus journey? where'd you go?

I take the bus every day and have never been decapitated. Or decapitated anyone else.

YET!

Oh, hahaha, no - we each had to take that bus to work in the morning, so I saw him almost daily for six months, then stopped seeing him - I like to think he married his boss, owns the company now, and has his own car.. but I'm guessing this weirdo probably got his ass fired.

Heard from a Manitoban friend that this was apparently a gang killing, and that the gang problem in Manitoba is actually severe enough that the only thing about this murder that surprised him is its flamboyance.

yeesh!

I'm glad to be moving from Winnipeg very soon.

Office workers at a company in north Winnipeg are not allowed to walk to their cars if they've stayed late (I think it was if thy were still in the office after 7:30 pm). The company prefers to pay for a taxi ride from the door of the building and back again the next morning.

But I would be very surprised if this was gang related. The other thing the prairies grow in abundance is schizophrenics. (It is seriously an epidemic.)

dont ride greyhound, ever

seriously

i mean, hitchhike instead or something if it comes to that

as a divorced kid, I used to have to ride the hound to & from Dad's house 300 miles up the coast

good times

People have started calling it Stabmonton.

started?

i'm always afraid of bus crazies!

-- Surmounter, Thursday, July 31, 2008 3:34 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

About two years ago a woman flipped out at me on a city bus. I had bumped into her when the bus lurched forward and apologized. She turned around and started screaming and swearing at me on the top of her lungs. She then pushed me and raised her fist to punch me when the driver got her. She got off at the next stop because he made her and I got off at the one following it. I was in tears - it was awful. Oh yeah, she also started following me down the street but I got away because i'm fast like that.

I've never had a problem with greyhound but I have seen smoe very suspicious characters.

This story though. My God. It's just horrible.

This story freaks me out so much. Murder is always sad, but it kind of does my head in when it's so random and savage and meaningless.

Also: I have a habit of always getting off the bus/train every time I see or hear someone who seems deranged in a potentially dangerous way (I probably wouldn't be able to use the CTA at all if I split every time I encountered the more benignly deranged). I've usually felt like I was overreacting a bit, but I don't think that will be a concern any longer.

What a gross, freaky story.

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=ba3498aa-995c-4f03-92f7-1a3cb0c79532

SECOND degree murder?!

I'm beginning to shift from shock to sort of a vague, distant depression over this story...

Heard from a Manitoban friend that this was apparently a gang killing, and that the gang problem in Manitoba is actually severe enough that the only thing about this murder that surprised him is its flamboyance.

yeesh!

-- Oilyrags, Thursday, 31 July 2008 21:12 (Yesterday) Link

This sounds like the beginning of an urban myth.

I know, but the guy is pretty reliable.

You want your knives, here's where you keep right on paying for them.

You guys tell me, but this sounds like a random, unprovoked attack to me:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008083504_apcanadabusstabbing.html

still, it's statistically safer than getting in your car and driving to the grocery store. only a few people get decapitated in random acts of extreme violence on buses each year!

William Caron, 23, said McLean was quiet, though he liked to socialize with friends. He was small - about 5-foot-4 and 130 pounds - and tended stayed away from a fight, Caron said.

The writing/editing of some of these articles is downright appalling, do they even bother to check these before posting them?

The killer was 16 feet & 390 pounds!

about 5-foot-4 and 130 pounds - and tended stayed away from a fight, Caron said.

"From what I hear, this other guy is three times his size,"

I know, but the guy is pretty reliable.

-- Oilyrags, Friday, August 1, 2008 2:50 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

Oh, I'm not saying that the Manitoba gang problem isn't bad but I just think it's only a matter of time before somebody sends round an email saying that this was an initiation ceremony gone awry or something.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=22639421199&refurl=http%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fs.php%3Fq%3Dtim%2Bmclean%26init%3Dq%26k%3D200000010%26sf%3Dt

Mr. Rifle -

I think you may be right. The more I think about it (and the more I learn) the less the gang thing sounds likely. Who ever heard of a 40 YO steert soldier, for one thing, and for another, wouldn't a premeditated thing like a gang killing have a planned escape etc? To top it off, the victim doesn't seem to have been in a gang from reports so far. Just your average nut totally loses it, I think.

Vince Weiguang Li, 40-year-old, from Edmonton, Alberta, has been charged with second-degree murder of Tim McLean.[1] Vince Weiguang Li is suspected of stabbing and decapitating a passenger aboard a Greyhound bus

this doesn't sound like a gang thing at all

hurrah reppin the bloods and all that

roflz

as a divorced kid, I used to have to ride the hound to & from Dad's house 300 miles up the coast

good times

-- J0hn D.,

how many victims did you rack up?

Someone tell g puzzleworth, he was just telling me how much he likes taking the Greyhound in the US because it offers such a varied slice of life.

well CANADA is another story!

"he likes taking the Greyhound in the US because it offers such a varied slice of life"

incisive remark

The was watching Zorro. Tells you all you need to know about violent films and their effects on peoples minds, really.

I took greyhound Minneapolis to Billings earlier this year and while there were a few crazies (sioux falls seems like crazies central) never felt worried. if going to worry about anything a crash is more likely

canadian ppl are the most disgusting savages in all the world imo

http://naturalplane.blogspot.com/2008/08/police-hes-hacking-off-pieces-and.html

Jesus, I didn't think this story could get much worse.

turns out this is the guy he killed:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=108390479

i think we can all agree that the world was certainly left no poorer with the excision of jokawild

I'm from winnipeg manitoba canada, I'm 21, im about 5'5"- 5'6", but whatever short ppl rule the world, I weigh 125 lbs. but its all rock hard, I have Hazel eyes, dark hair, I have three tattoos a skull on my left shoulder, marvin martian, and the JoKawiLd on my back, my lip is pierced. playin vids, chillin, havin a good time, Playin football, barbeques, parties, music, beach, camping, motorcycles, reptiles, wrestling, ufc, tanning, biking, sleeping, eating, and i dunno what else. For more details........... SHUT UP ABOUT IT

Seriously? Making fun of a murder victim is really fucking low even for ILX.

uh i'd kick it.

w/ the murder victim, i mean.

canadian ppl are the most disgusting savages in all the world imo

-- The Yellow Kid, Friday, August 1, 2008 5:50 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

i have been unironically making this argument to people for the past few weeks btw - i feel like it is a culture of abhorrent, maladjusted francophone monsters up there, the most disgusting nation of sub-human savages in the world

imo.

Okay that link webinar posted is right there with gurochan on the disgusting level...I'm seriously nauseous now and I think that thing is made up. What policeman watches (WATCHES) someone hack flesh off someone and eat it? They made a little montage that I quit watching when it turned into pictures of knives, so I switched to another tab, but accidentally clicked on it on the end and saw some sliced-off head photo. Probably fake, but still. What is the fucking problem with people. I wish I could take a nap to forget about this.

http://a970.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/22/l_c1fb5085a73ea505187e8043779b1501.jpg

I'm seriously in fucking tears over all this.

God, cankles, fuck you.

He's a fucking kid, of course he's going to be all posturey and silly. And now he's fucking beheaded for no reason – beheaded – so good fucking job on the 'lol juggalos' front. Way to pwn, assholes. Seriously, have one fucking lick of decency.

i was torn apart by this.

cankles is a fucking kid, of course he's going to be all posturey and "lol juggalos"

Fuck you too, ethan.

Fuck you.

people die every day

i you dont want to get your myspace profile clowned dont put up a myspace profile

if i ever get decapitated on the bus some dude in decatur hating my myspace profile will be the least of my problems

you sound like you need to step away from the computer

You need to fucking figure out some things about life.

hey guess what people i've loved had died in awful, horrible ways, and one day i'm going to die and so is everyone posting here. i don't know who you think you're saving here but being a dick to people who are looking at a dead dude's myspace isn't making the world a better place.

Dude, you are a fucking douchebag.

ever made a joke about 9/11? terri schiavo? the holocaust? jfk? etc etc etc

if i ever get decapitated i'll be sure to take my myspace profile down so dickless losers will have one less opportunity to act like classless fuckwits about it.

it’s almost too easy to say ‘people die every day’ with the get over it approach. This thread didn’t necessarily have to be created, nor did you have to become involved. It’s disturbing and tragic but in sharing opinions, when I first heard, I felt ill.

i mean - "looking" at his profile is a far cry from mocking the poor guy.

xpost

ilx rule #4080 a bunch of dudes pile on with the omg offensive if a cuet girl says it 1st

ethan I would say I'm pretty reasonable 99% of the time, and am pretty cool with tolerating the shit that goes on in the world and all its subfacets. All the places I spend time IRL and on the online. People are dicks sometimes, I try and just ignore it.

Guess what? A lot of people I love have dies in horrible, awful ways, or fucking killed themselves. I got my share of pain (so does everyone) and that's why I am trying to keep chill & polite as much as I can. I think I do a pretty good job, too. I fucking know life is transient, how obvious a generalization can one make?

Being a dick to people who are being douchebags to people who just got fucking killed and maybe shouldn't be immediately exhumed for lols by the entire fucking world, I think that's at least understandable anger on my part! I I bet you would fucking love it if all your dead loved ones got the same treatment, eh? Sheesh, ethan, think about it, please.

i had no idea abbott was a cute girl.

xpost

lol, chill out u fuccn cumdads

;_;

-- Abbott, Saturday, August 2, 2008 12:36 AM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Oh yeah and sorry I'm a fucking girl and therefore arguments just don't work bcz I have lol titties.

aww guys it's a shitty situation, let's all be friends and not argue

canks - you are subhuman.

xpost NO

remember when this thread was briefly sorta fun and distracted from the horror of it?

(btw not blaming you, abbott)

hmm, yeah! back when "Decapitation reported on Manitoba bus". Turns out, it happened.

not quite. but i'd like to hear more about "lol titties".

xpostys

I mean when...ah nevermind...

yeesh don't take cankles so seriously guys. tbh, this is just too fucking bizarre to upset me too much, my only response is carp the diem, life is crazy, strange, awful, beautiful, make every day worthwhile, blah blah.

no, feel free to take me seriously! makin a broad cry over some dead cumbeard is the funniest/best event of my internet career

you were pretty attention starved as a kid, weren't you.

you were ARE pretty attention starved as a kid, weren't aren't you.

no, feel free to take me seriously! makin a broad cry over some dead cumbeard is the funniest/best event of my internet career

-- cankles, Friday, August 1, 2008 9:07 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

Well I think that speaks for itself.

Yeah, really, what is this? Middle class white kids who got touched by daddy as a kid grow up to be sociopaths, story at 10.

-- The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Friday, August 1, 2008 8:36 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Link

Great thread.

Abbott, just step away from the internet. Take a walk or something.

reminds me of the chumscrubber. in a bad way.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0406650/

I just really hate people that use the "hey, the world kinda sucks" argument as an excuse to be a complete asshole.

sigh.

Well I'm off to work in a bit. Moving immediately afterwards in the morning and won't have the internet for probably a month or something. See you guys, um, sometime I suppose. Bye!

we'll miss u

aww guys it's a shitty situation, let's all be friends and not argue

-- Finefinemusic, Saturday, August 2, 2008 1:00 AM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

This month's decapitation thread has brought to you by the NYT trolling article.

Ethan, the deal is this. Of course it's OK to blow off some steam by clowning: 9/11, the holocaust, decapitated dude on a bus, whatever. Nobody's innocent or gets to stand on a damn pedestal. But when someone in the room in which you're clowning says something which can be easily read by an astute reader such as yourself as: "Yo, this wakes up some hard feelings in me for whatever reason, you wanna mellow out a little," then the gentlemanly thing to do is say "my bad" and maybe "hey you ain't gotta yell at me OK I'm not the enemy here." Probably it's better in my opinion to say something like that rather than "life is harsh deal with it." I know it's not really my position to lecture you but as I see it "it's reality!" is a weak way of responding to somebody who's saying to you "too soon/too rough/not now."

which has nothing to do with yr kinda fucked gender reading of what happened here, btw. what happened was a member of the community said you were being a little ugly. I didn't know Abbott wasn't a dude until you said so.

I'm still striking out at thinking of a good "lol titties" joke.

"I CAN HAS MILK?"

and

"YOUR SPORTSBROS, SHOW THEM TO ME"

don't quite cut it.

i'm out

Sportsbros!!!!

That is right up there with Smooday.

There really should be a rule for ILX that trolling must be of such-and-such a quality, and "lol, I made u mad" is definitely below the bar.

well to be fair the only real rule of trolling is "if it makes somebody invoke rules or call for new ones to be written, it's a raging success"

I apologize for my overly caustic tone here.

jacheff wrote:
Posted 2008/08/01
at 9:09 PM ETIf it walks like a duck…if it quacks like a duck it must be an uncivilized Mohammad follower….who else in our hemisphere could possibly do such a thing….but a middle eastern terrorist? No offense........2People
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weird scrolling down and seeing this

http://i38.tinypic.com/2cz7eid.png

well to be fair the only real rule of trolling is "if it makes somebody invoke rules or call for new ones to be written, it's a raging success"

No, I disagree. A troll is like a bottle of wine. It might be a fine wine, to be savored with a fine nabisco OTM post and and few hors d'J0hnvers. It might also be a fifth of mogen david, whence the only appropriate mouth has 15-20 tiny circular apertures.

up there in juggalo heaven w/ baby juggalo

: - o

people!

fuck i came here to copy paste this over and over:
JoKawiLd on my back JoKawiLd on my back JoKawiLd on my back JoKawiLd on my back JoKawiLd on my back JoKawiLd on my back JoKawiLd on my back JoKawiLd on my back JoKawiLd on my back JoKawiLd on my back JoKawiLd on my back JoKawiLd on my back JoKawiLd on my back JoKawiLd on my back JoKawiLd on my back JoKawiLd on my back JoKawiLd on my back JoKawiLd on my back JoKawiLd on my back JoKawiLd on my back JoKawiLd on my back JoKawiLd on my back JoKawiLd on my back

President30 wrote:
Posted 2008/08/01
at 7:13 PM ETI must wonder if the general use of cell phones on Greyhound passenger buses did not provoke Vince Weiguang Li (the accused).

As you may know, people talk on their cell phones much louder than if they were just talking to the person sitting beside them.

In fact, twenty years ago people did not have cell phones, Ipods and portable computers on buses. You could talk to the person sitting beside you or not talk at all, which made for quiet travel and the ability to get some sleep.

In today's world, the person sitting behind you is talking into their cell phone, and of course much more loudly than if they were just talking to the person beside them.
Meanwhile the person in front of you is constantly making noise by typing on his or her laptop computer and the person sitting beside you has an IPod with music bearing out of their headphones. Nor should we forget the constant and random ringing of cell phones, as if the bus was a call centre.

One news article states that the accused was originally seated at the front and later changed seats. Another news article mentioned that the victim had been text messaging his girlfriend moments before the attack and that he was listening to music with his headphones on.

Now I am not saying that using your cell phone to send text messages justifies being decapitated. However, maybe someone was 'blabbing' loudly into their cell phone when the accused was sitting at the front, so he changed seats. When he got to his new seat, Tim McClean (the victim) was making noise both with the music from his headphones and the typing on his cell phone keypad (text messaging).

While technology is great and has made many things easier for society, maybe we have gone too far in thinking that we can use it anywhere we please. It’s the me, myself and I mentality – While on the bus I want to be able to type my 2000 word term paper on my laptop while talking loudly into my cell phone even if it bothers other passengers because there is only me myself and I.

Anyways, maybe it would be time to ban the use of cell phones and laptops on buses. Of course there could be a five minute grace period after leaving a destination or before arriving in order to notify friends and family. Because the loud over use of cell phones could have, and may in the future, provoke passengers such as may be the case with this incident.3People
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i think a "treat other ppl the way you wanna be treated" rule is an agreeable way for these things to go down. if ethan is cool with the potential of people loling on the internet about his awful death or his friend's awful death then that is on him, but he shouldn't get all defensive when someone calls him out on being an asshole t a beheaded kid. it'd be like walking into a peace demonstration and getting pissed when ppl look at you for firing a gun

that president30 post actually leaves me speechless

^^^ true. Ethan needs to man up here. (xp)

and yet you're still able to type (xp)

you know what's real about life? when you get banned from a messageboard.

shit is pretty intense from what I hear

Dear America, Iran, or whoever the fuck:

Please nuke Canada and return it to its natural state.

This is sad.

The event and the thread.

justin pretty much says it tbh

Let's keep some perspective though. The thread is definitely not as bad. xpost

man you are baiting an animal meme post here hoos

Indeed xp.

jesus christ, tom

"This is sad, it was an ILX thread"

man - why do i keep checking this thread?

collateral damage

Dear America, Iran, or whoever the fuck:

Please nuke Canada and return it to its natural state

lol yeah the problem here is definitely CANADA.

I know ethan is just holdin back 'til I say something really stupid like I always do so he can pwn me like he always does well forget it pal I am off the sauce for the time bein and my stupidity level is totally at an ebb

an ebb I say

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/08/03/magazine/03trolls.1-650.jpg

I weigh like two of that guy

How the fuck did someone take one look at that victim and go, "Officer, I think it was an aborigine!"

that hideous savage warpaint obviously!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aboriginal_peoples_in_Canada

You fucking idiots.

hey i know what this thread needs

http://i19.piczo.com/view/3/d/i/m/6/n/h/0/a/b/z/d/img/t258267774_65916.gif

um

thank you.

Hoos! I love you and that little dancing panda.

http://www.adiumxtras.com/images/thumbs/totoro_1_10573_3935_thumb.gifhttp://www.adiumxtras.com/images/thumbs/totoro_1_10573_3935_thumb.gifhttp://www.adiumxtras.com/images/thumbs/totoro_1_10573_3935_thumb.gif

are they gonna dance or what?

jus sayin we all need some jiggly_panda.gif sometimes

why don't you all stop posting and just go get stoned

WHY DONT YOU STOP MODDING AND GO TO BED IF YOU'RE SO TIRED

why don't you all stop posting and just go get stoned

why don't you smoke me out or STFU

I AM STONED< SIR

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/Colin_Quinn_87/other/fbookmod.jpg

Know what fields? I still pretty much stand by my statement.

http://www.dogsindepth.com/hound_dog_breeds/images/greyhound_h03.jpg

i you dont want to get your myspace profile clowned dont put up a myspace profile

And if you don't want to get your shitty Eminem remix clowned, don't put it on the ILM Listening Chamber?

I mean, seriously, Ethan, given your behavior in the first year or two of ILX, you have no business telling anyone ever not to be thin-skinned, "grow a pair", whatever.

http://www.travelmanitoba.com/images_tr/logo_travel.jpg

(Actually, let me take the "shitty" part back, that was excessive. But seriously, dude, the level of hypocrisy you sometimes exhibit about this shit blows my mind.)

who are you

i really wanna know, oh-oh-oh...

i take the bus from ab to mb a lot. no decapitation.

mostly african and chinese guys going from edmonton/calgary to towns with beef packing plants (portage, brandon [moose jaw and brooks, if you're going calgary to winnipeg]), squeegee kids from montreal that try to bum money and weed and darts off you, native girls with cigarette burns on their arms going back to winnipeg, dudes that are coming back down south from working in fort mac, burnt out old ladies, crazy old dudes that want to talk about how they saw a ufo/hate indians, general old people with nice beige clothes that ride the bus because they can't take a train anymore, general kids.

This story creeped me out quite a bit at first (actually read about it on another music message board), but then reading the part about how he texted his father made me really sad cuz it's familiar...i live about 40 miles away from my rents, but occasionally text to stay over if I'm on that side of town to save gas. can't imagine how my father would feel if not too long after receiving the text, i was dead.

really gotta feel for his family. just a fucking shame...

What's with the white glove? Michael Jackson?

http://images.ctv.ca/archives/CTVNews/img2/20080801/450_cp_li_080801_.jpg

LOL MICHAEL JACKSON!!! LIKE CHILDREN MUCH?!!! LOL!!!

looks more like a bandage, but hey, far reaching is far reaching...

They already promoted him to the prisoner's sheriff before he got to jail?

I know we have a lenient judicial system here but that's pushing it.

^ permaban

what would ILX do if Adam Schefter had been the victim?

start a blog

Oh no, it was a LOT worse than we all thought:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/01/canada

CHILDREN saw it.

(*shakes head at cheap media emo crap*)

you know, I know it's considered corny to worry about the children, but in fact it is extra-bad for kids to see shit like this, for all the usual corny reasons: if you or I were on that bus, it'd fuck our shit up, but we have a lifetime of coping mechanisms to help us try and deal. if a kid sees it, it fucks him/her up and he/she won't really have the tools to deal with that. so it's not really chicken-littling to say "you know what kinda makes it worse is that there were kids on the bus."

I dunno I mean you're right that it's hardly a news angle, but I think worrying about the effect of adult-world shit on kids is an over-called-out thing. the shit that goes down in the adult world really does have some deleterious effects on kids, and adults' boundaries about that have gotten way too blurry in recent years.

Oops - ignore other new thread, please :-(

Children only really start to have realistic death concepts around age 5-7.

But yeah, you're right, my opinion on this isn't very original anymore.

possibly a kid can shrug it of a little easier.. this wouldn't suprise me. Especially if those were 7 year old boys playing 3D-shooters. "whatever, I see that shit every day on my pc maaan"

the kids I used to work with who'd seen a lot of violence weren't so good at shrugging it off, and I'd take them as exemplary models of how children respond to chaotic violence. the difference between stuff on the pc & real-life is actually as distinct & real as utopians claim; young children exposed to in-vivo horrific violence do tend to require some help sorting it out.

has there ever been a worthwhile thread about someone being murdered?

Children only really start to have realistic death concepts around age 5-7.

Yeah, they don't really advertise it much, but because of that there's no real prohibition against taking your four-year-old to see, like, Hostel II. And your kid will probably think it's way-cool, since he doesn't really "get" death!

Plus: have you ever tried to frighten a little kid? They're, like, scare-proof! Little pillars of courage and reserve, they are.

yea, while kids play more violent video games these days, doesn't mean that they are suddenly desensitized to every form of violence that exists.

besides, it's not like older video games weren't violent. even the NES had N.A.R.C., where you basically shot the heads off of druggies to please Reagan.

look at the way the kids reacted at the Brawl at Auburn Hills!

look at the kids as young as five thrown off their startled horses by a facebook water-fight

re: "the glove" - i think the po' may have roughed him up a tad.

Somebody died in a way that was horrible, scary and unexpected. The whole thing is grotesque.

horrible,scary,unexpected,grotesque,house,music

fuck everyone

ethan thinks Abbott is cuet pass it on

"Certainly the horrific nature of it is probably one-of-a-kind in Canadian history"

Well that's a relief.

Then there's the *other* one-of-a-kind horror in Canada happening on Vancouver Island with the missing feet washing up. But no worries.

killer ate victim's flesh

twisted

am i sort of shocked to read this dude (Li) had a wife. just not what i expected i guess.

the kids I used to work with who'd seen a lot of violence weren't so good at shrugging it off

i guess i was wishful thinking then..

: /

<A href=http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/04/greece.crime.ap/index.html>;Greek dude chops girlfriends head off.</a>

"The attacker walked around the village carrying the head of the victim in one hand and the cleaver in the other."

Are murderers going to start trying to outdo each other now with how many people they can gross out before they are arrested?

good grief

xp

nu-decapitator is a trendhopping scumbag, do not support

Are murderers going to start trying to outdo each other now with how many people they can gross out before they are arrested?

-- Ned Trifle II, Monday, August 4, 2008 2:41 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

alternate response: *some kind of elaborate Perseus/Medusa joke I'm too tired to work out right now*

these are still up around toronto:

"There's a Reason You've Never Heard of Bus Rage"

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3167/2469314695_9268b0dc34.jpg?v=0

LOL!

However please note, that is NOT a Toronto bus pictured.

Omnipotent construction + "20 Victoria" = Vancouver translink bus

That would be omnipresent.

No. construction is notably omnipotent in Vancouver these days.

You took the words outta my mouth.

fkn hell

He was also observed "cutting body parts from the victim and eating those body parts", she said. A plastic bag later found in his pocket by police contained his victim's ear, nose and part of his mouth.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7542507.stm

"We were watching Zorro; next thing I know, I hear someone screaming."

clearly related?

apparently fred phelps is planning on picketing this kid's funeral, just to gild this horrible nightmare with some errant hate, i suppose.

"I have to stay on the bus forever."

wtf buses suck

can the killing of fred phelps please be legalised, it'd be some awesome counter-trolling tombot move from the us government and one i'd probably endorse

"I have to stay on the bus forever."

wtf so Lynchian

http://www.juggalonews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=806&Itemid=43#pc_40529

MrJeckel10605 said:

Rest In Peace Tim.

My next Faygo is for you man.

this story really unnerves me because I'm always freaked out about stories where people just SNAP. I mean this guy sounds like he was living a normal life up until this point. WTF happened in his brain that told him to do this?

He met a juggalo

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080806/ap_on_re_ca/canada_bus_beheading

I was pretty shaken by this story, for a variety of reasons, and I was naively hoping this thread might have some interesting anecdotes/helpful perspective/something. It pretty much kicked right off as some sort of 4chan/Hip1nion-esque sick troll-fest, though. I guess I'm the asshole for expecting slightly more out of this board!

J0hn mentioned 'coping mechanisms' upthread, and I guess I get that ("what's on yr iPod? / Blood / LOL," etc.), but jesus christ, this thread is pretty depressing work, people.

Awkward silence.

I have to say I laughed at the ipod joke.
Haven't most people (even on this thread) been pretty reasonable though? Considering the utter wtf-ness of the act itself?

no, like really no

this thread is such a sad spectacle

everyone falling all over themselves to be glib and worldly or whatever. It's really fucking sad.

I disagree. Most posters haven't done this. There is the usual crazy talk and maybe the loudest voices are the glibest one but there is a reassuring tone throughout that this shit doen't happen very often.

Comments page on newspaper websites are much more depressing.

Gues what Rev. Fred Phelps' reaction is. Go ahead, guess.

Have they lost their heads?

:-(

(sorry)

http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/08/gruesome_greyhound_bus_beheading_given_d

PETA is exploiting this too

The race to outworse the other is still very well on. (although Phelps is proven in that goal every time)

http://i35.tinypic.com/2dhfcb9.jpg

They're trying to explain it here:
http://blog.peta.org/archives/2008/08/we_got_your_hat.php

what a bunch of scumbags

fucking PETA. as I've grown older I find the whole "moral" argument for vegan/vegetarianism completely abhorrent.

my disgust isn't with their advocacy for veganism/vegetarianism, it's with their use of human tragedy to do it. like their comparison of the deaths of chicken to the deaths of jews in the holocaust.

well yeah that too

but y'know the reason they make that comparison is because of their bizarre-o and obviously blatantly incorrect version of reality wherein chickens are the moral equivalent of people. morality is a social construct among humans. it does not apply to animals.

Chicken Run was still a good movie though

but y'know the reason they make that comparison is because of their bizarre-o and obviously blatantly incorrect version of reality wherein chickens are the moral equivalent of people. morality is a social construct among humans. it does not apply to animals.

-- Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, August 7, 2008 6:12 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

\(•_o)/

...i mean, if it's a social construct, then morality applies to whatever the fuck you want it to.

I was naively hoping this thread might have some interesting anecdotes/helpful perspective/something. It pretty much kicked right off as some sort of 4chan/Hip1nion-esque sick troll-fest though. I guess I'm the asshole for expecting slightly more out of this board!

I definitely would not say "asshole", but I'm not sure what sort of insight or perspective you could expect, really. The act was so senseless, pointless / arbitrary, just downright horrific and unprovoked. A really terrible thing happened for seemingly no reason and I don't know what there is to do or say about it.

I don't know how to explain the iPod/blood joke exactly, and although the original joke may have been a coping mechanism, my reaction to it was definitely not. Maybe it's because I hadn't got the victim's name and face, that the reality of it just wasn't 100% tangible for me yet. Maybe I could laugh because by this point no one was digging up a dead boy's Myspace profile for some lolzings with no punchlines. I don't completely know. I'm far too sleep deprived to make my thoughts work, but what's new...

Also, Ned T pretty much otm.

but y'know the reason they make that comparison is because of their bizarre-o and obviously blatantly incorrect version of reality wherein chickens are the moral equivalent of people. morality is a social construct among humans. it does not apply to animals.

-- Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 7 August 2008 23:12 (Yesterday) Link

...or like, braindead people?

The group has held pickets and protested on issues throughout Canada and the U.S., commonly with only a small handful of peoplefamily memebers in attendance.

fixed

^^^The Phelps clan that is not PETA.

fucking PETA. as I've grown older I find the whole "moral" argument for vegan/vegetarianism completely abhorrent.

I think what he means here is that the opposite is really never true e.g. HOW ABOUT WE STOP DROPPING CLUSTER BOMBS ON EACH OTHER then let's cover this whole bacon problem EH?

gbx etc otm, that was amazingly dumb Shakey

Moral argument for vegetarianism is that its inefficient land and resource usage, grain production to feed cattle in such larger numbers instead of people when there is such pressure on land and resources is untenable. Don't see what this has got to do with axes on buses

Can't really sensationalize that, can ya.

...i mean, if it's a social construct, then morality applies to whatever the fuck you want it to.

really. you do a lot of socializing with chickens do ya now.

What's Canada doing that's so bad?

fagging it up

Someone should explain to Mr. Phelps that Canadians just look gay.

Shakey stop trolling vegetarians

Stewart I think we all know what was originally meant by "moral argument," and it's not the land/resources thing (which is really a utilitarian argument)

but y'know the reason they make that comparison is because of their bizarre-o and obviously blatantly incorrect version of reality wherein chickens are the moral equivalent of people. morality is a social construct among humans. it does not apply to animals.

trying not to get into this, I don't think PETA does any favors for animals when they do this sort of thing (if I did think so, I have to be honest, I'd be all for it), but morality being the domain of humans doesn't mean it only applies to how humans treat each other. if you're saying "we can't demand morality from animals," yes, of course that's right. but treatment of animals and whether it's moral to kill and eat them, still a valid moral question about which men and women of conscience can disagree without belittling one another's beliefs.

we now return you to the thread about the poor insane dude who killed and decapitated a complete stranger and will almost surely spend much of the rest of his life wishing aberrant brain chemistry hadn't resulted in his doing something so awful, and who'll be called "evil" by editorialists who wouldn't know good vs. evil if they got a personal seminar from Jonathan Edwards.

i'm pretty sure evil is an apt description.

and with peta - i'm sure they're banking on people getting outraged, talking about it and sending more traffic to their site etc.

i'm pretty sure evil is an apt description.

I'm pretty sure it isn't

i seem 2be on a feminist tip today, but tons of ppl have objected to the peta campaigns that have a lot of naked women saying how bad fur is. 'attention getting' yes hmmm

john - what is then? you referred to him as "poor" but i have a hard time drumming up any sympathy for the guy, myself.

It doesn't first occur to you that a person who murders and eats a complete stranger in an enclosed environment from which he won't possibly be able to escape might be insane? naturally you don't let the insane walk free if they commit horrible crimes, but the notion that it's "evil" that drives a person to do something like this is pretty antiquated powers-and-principalities stuff. "Evil" is something I'd reserve for political or religious leaders who fail in their charge to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, etc., and evil's what allows most of us (not guiltless here mind you, I'm Catholic, I'll take all the guilt you have to spare) to be apathetic about the hungry and needy most every day. Evil is not a person whose mind does not work right, and a guy like this, in all likelihood, is a product of bad brain chemistry and failed social services.

hmm I thought John was gonna go for the classic "evil requires intent/deliberate conscious violation of ethical behavior" kinda angle

cause - crazy, effect - v. evil

fine, fine. he's crazy. not evil. i still feel no sympathy for the guy.

Funny, I was just reading the New Yorker article on Tavis Smiley, who quoted James 4:17 in the middle of one of his talks -- "To those who know to do good, or to do right, and doeth not, to them it is sin." M'Naghten Rule certainly seems likely to kick in here.

Probably the most tragic detail is that the insane dude said "Please kill me" to the court. Maybe I'm jumping the gun, but that sounds like someone who's gone totally nuts and wants to be put out of his misery, not a remorseless and calculating psychopath.

xpost Thermo, if you have an injury to your temporal lobes in just the right place, then despite a lifetime of principles and decency, you'll beat the shit out of your girlfriend if she looks at you wrong (or something similarly impulsive and uncontrollable). One little shock to the brain is all it takes for just about any of us.

he's the real victim here, him and the chickens

he's the real victim here

Oh, come on.

Evil is not a person whose mind does not work right, and a guy like this, in all likelihood, is a product of bad brain chemistry and failed social services.

^^ been thinking a lot about this kind of thing w/r/t conservative opposition to science, and opposition to 'mental health' specifically. nothing clear yet, but this is a big big deal i think.

evil's what allows most of us .... to be apathetic about the hungry and needy most every day

t/s: most ordinary people trying to get ahead in a competitive world vs guy who chops off your head on a bus.

lolz get A HEAD

trying to get ahead

oh no you didn't

xpost dammit

um, yeah guys.

ffs!

anyways - i was thinking about that barely audible "plz kill me" he uttered. i was thinking maybe he was going for a cop assisted suicide type thing. maybe he's wanted to end himself for a while but hasn't been able to do it himself, for whatever reason.

it also makes me glad to know he is not going to get his wish.

t/s: most ordinary people trying to get ahead in a competitive world vs guy who chops off your head on a bus.

ok, if you really wanna do this one: a guy who hears voices "in his head" (most people who have auditory hallucinations experience them as an external phenomenon; often you'll see them plugging their ears or listening to music loud to drown the voices out) that he thinks come from God or Mars or whatever who one day gets the order from these voices to kill the demon next to him on the Greyhound...that's not evil. Just sad and horrifying. The guy who - well, let's take me. Right now in my town I could be helping out at the soup kitchen. I don't have to work today. I'm posting on the internet instead. That's the result of a lifelong tendency to put myself ahead of my community; I'm not really alone in being like this, right? But hey. I work. I work my ass off, I deserve a rest, right? Meanwhile, pretty good chance that I could have done some good for somebody today, and I'm not gonna. More evil in me for not acting on what I know is right than in some guy who lost his marbles and killed somebody.

I know this is some soapbox-y "preachy" shit but whatever, as soon as somebody wants to start worrying about good vs. evil it's time to remove the log from yr own eye before the splinter in yr neighbor's, etc

this is kind of off what ppl are talking about, but the tension between condemnation and treatment seems like a microcosm of a lot of political arguments to me:

conservatives are 'opposed' to 'science' because it supposedly encroaches on the province of god: evil is evil and should be condemned and stamped out in this life just as god will damn it in the next. calling something a syndrome or a complex removes it from the province of god, and science is a threat because it is constantly moving outward and inward into human experience, shrinking that province. "we used to be able to call evil what it is, but now everyone deserves therapy!! even if they chop someone's head off!" (i'm imagining a lumpen-conservative reaction to J0hn here, i guess, but you see this kind of thing constantly)

the act of condemnation is a feel-good measure for the one doing the condemning with zero value to anyone else. it necessitates ignoring what happens the moment after that condemnation, let alone figuring out what happened: okay, the dude who cut someone's head off is EVIL, so what? now what?

but, skipping over that, it's theologically pretty presumptuous, and imagines a relatively small and petty god who can be shooed off his duty by a few therapists or men in lab coats. the idea that this guy will meet his judgment no matter what we call him or do to him, seems absent. honestly i think the objection to science is that it has removed all the fun from being able to think of yourself as good and true by reflexively pointing your finger and things that are revolting.

We don't know enough about this Li dude to say, yet, but apparently he had a job, bought a bus ticket, and brought a knife. At what point is a functioning adult no longer responsible for recognizing they have a problem and seeking help?

And it doesn't take some caricature of a conservative fundamentalist to find potential problems with the ever broadening scope of mental illness diagnoses and consequent erosion of personal responsibility.

evil's what allows most of us...to be apathetic about the hungry and needy most every day.

Your language here is characteristically delicate, esp. the term "allows" rather than "causes", J0hn. And I'm deeply sympathetic with what you're saying. But I wanted to point out that this way of looking at evil contributes to the sense a lot of us have that the demands of being good are so high that we can't possible live up to them---and I think having this sense contributes to the apathy you're decrying.

He's totally responsible for what he did but that doesn't also mean he was not batshit crazy or that he could have stopped himself.

Also Euler OTM.

Westboro creeps stopped at the border?

(Saw a headline somewhere but can't seem to find it right away)

At what point is a functioning adult no longer responsible for recognizing they have a problem and seeking help?

I can't even begin to wrap my head around this. Do you have even a cursory understanding of how something like, say, schizophrenia tends to operate?

Some were stopped but some made it through. People are going to form a barrier between the funeral goers and the Westboro nuts: http://www.winnipegsun.com/News/Manitoba/2008/08/08/6388411.html

sell laptop, buy ticket, board bus, go to work? xp

*whoosh*

we can talk "morality" and "personal responsibility" to the cows come home, but I'd rather leave that for the Fox News talking heads.

the problem is, the moment you dare attempt to rationalize what somebody like Li did without resorting to pedestal climbing or outright condemnation, you're seen as being unsympathetic to the victim, which is completely ridiculous. and it is a bit silly to grade a potential schizophrenic on the same scale as your normal blue collar American with no history of mental illness or disturbance.

also, the incompetence of some in the psychiatric community does not invalidate the concept of mental illness.

Your language here is characteristically delicate, esp. the term "allows" rather than "causes", J0hn. And I'm deeply sympathetic with what you're saying. But I wanted to point out that this way of looking at evil contributes to the sense a lot of us have that the demands of being good are so high that we can't possible live up to them---and I think having this sense contributes to the apathy you're decrying.

-- Euler, Friday, August 8, 2008 6:12 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

owned

Think part of the problem is that in the desire to explain, to understand, to consider context and contributory factors, theres a danger that society collectively feels that condemnation, castigation of the perpetrator is insufficient, that somehow (even with jail sentence) the perpetrator is insufficiently morally punished, that excuses are made for them.

and when we take this dimension as read, thinking the personal responsibility for criminal action is kind of inherently there, and spen more time looking for reasons (which can appear as excuses), and less time delivering the requisite amount of wrath and moral condemnation then an aspect of moral punishment is missing, punishment must contain a cathartic element for society. if this element is diminshed, then no matter what the severity of the punishment, we get this feeling that somehow criminals are 'getting away with it'

guessing some westboro peeps were denied because they couldn't justify how they would not interfere with the paying jobs of other canadians to do batshitcrazy funeral protesting. Stockwell day was jealous, essentially

(By the way, this is totally the type of discussion I was hoping for in this thread, and I am finding J0hn way more OTM than Owned)

And I'm deeply sympathetic with what you're saying. But I wanted to point out that this way of looking at evil contributes to the sense a lot of us have that the demands of being good are so high that we can't possible live up to them---and I think having this sense contributes to the apathy you're decrying.

It's a good point E. I was trying very hard not to be demanding anything too high or unrealistic, hence "allowed" rather than "causes" - I don't want to be saying "if you don't do all you can, you're evil." I mean it's my opinion that the demands of thinking a little about what good one might do today isn't really so much - just a hard habit to get into, given that life is hard & busy & we're all tired & all that. True of me too! But I think we make room for evil when we say "well, the pressure's too high, I just can't" instead of - and this is some motivational-guru shit, I know - "well, what can I do," you know?" I'm also of the ridiculous-to-most opinion that a moment's reflection is actually a tangible good - that considering the question in the first place just once a day would end up shaping behaviors 1) painlessly and 2) for immeasurable good. There's a bit some yoga instructors do before or after classes that involves this sort of thing, and I often think it does as much good as the yoga itself.

In re: responsibility, so much of what I want to say is anecdotal stuff from my days as a nurse, and that's off-limits. I can say that there are many patients in state hospitals right now who 1) were committed there involuntarily i.e. didn't seek help and who 2) seem so functional (and did before they went in) that you'd think they were staff members if you met them - articulate, well-dressed, very intelligent and friendly, yet who, 3) if you talk to them for an hour or so, will tell you that they know you have been sent by the devil to observe them and eventually murder them. There's delusion and there's hallucination, and delusion isn't "thinking something stupid"; it's a firm fixed belief. If you or I get a wrong idea in our heads, friends (or enemies!) can probably talk us out of it. That's not the case for the truly delusional; delusions aren't as "oh fuck look dude is talking to angels" as hallucinations, they're easily hidden, but they're no less pernicious, and many of the people who have them seem normal.

And again, I mean "we should just feel sorry for this guy" isn't what I'm saying. But demonizing him 1) is probably inaccurate and 2) is completely pointless anyway, while I think trying to understand what happens in a case like this isn't pointless.

He's totally responsible for what he did but that doesn't also mean he was not batshit crazy or that he could have stopped himself.

and this is OTM - justice is a huge concept; we have to hold a person responsible for his actions in some way. but justice tempered with mercy, and mercy's what's called for when a person has done something horrible that he couldn't foresee or stop himself from doing once his illness had taken the reins.

wtf canada

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2008/09/21/greyhound-stabbing.html

The incident comes less than two months after another Greyhound passenger allegedly beheaded Tim McLean

Allegedly?

But anyway, minor injuries, which is good. I'm guessing this wouldn't have even made the paper if it wasn't for the previous incident.

yeah, an editor would have slashed it

^^ Edgy.

thought this would be the revive:

Tory candidate quits after blog entries surface
Joseph Brean, Canwest News Service
Published: Sunday, September 21, 2008

TORONTO - The Conservative candidate for a downtown Toronto riding has stepped down amid controversy over comments he posted on his blog.

Chris Reid, who was challenging Liberal foreign affairs critic Bob Rae in Toronto Centre, resigned after blog postings emerged in which he criticized passengers on a Prairie bus this summer who "stood by and watched" as a man beheaded a fellow passenger, "and couldn't muster up any courage or self-sacrifice to intervene."

"This is where socialism as (sic) gotten us folks, a castrated effeminate population," he wrote on Aug. 10, more than a week after the killing of Tim McLean, 22.

http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/media.canada.com/b1ebd207-78c7-4022-aed7-0925c5ee8f77/chrisreid0921.jpg?size=l
Photo attached of Chris Reid who resigned as the conservative candidate in the riding of Toronto Centre.

Reid also called for debate on the right to carry a concealed weapon, an end to abortion and official multiculturalism, an elected Senate, and closing the CBC because of its "far left-wing bias." He said gay advocates in the Toronto Centre riding, which includes the city's gay village, tolerate the promotion of "promiscuity, drug usage and prostitution."

Kory Teneycke, the prime minister's chief spokesman, said he first learned about Reid's blog on Saturday. He said political staffer David Gentili would now carry the Tory banner in the riding against Rae.

"You can't fire your candidate," said Teneycke. "This person has resigned."

Another Tory spokesperson, Deirdra McCracken, said Reid withdrew because "he couldn't commit to possibly four years as an MP, in order to pursue other goals." She said there was no truth to the claim that he resigned because of the comments, although she said the decision was made this weekend. "He withdrew because he wanted to pursue other things," she said.

Rae, who is projected to win easily in Toronto Centre, said that explanation is "completely preposterous."

"I think a more likely explanation are some of the truly weird comments that Mr. Reid has been making on the Internet over the last several months," he said. "I think that it would be the least the Conservative party could do to explain. Either they knew about these ravings, or they didn't, and if they didn't, that speaks to a problem, and if they did, then it speaks to an even bigger problem.

"I think the Conservatives, generally speaking, have a problem with their team."

The comments were revealed on Saturday, when M.J. Murphy, a Torontonian who runs the blog bigcitylib.blogspot.com, posted several of Reid's writings under the headline: "The Tories Run Gay Nutter in TO!" He had retrieved them from an online cache after public access to Reid's blog was apparently removed.

Murphy said the swift reaction has shown the power of blogs in elections, but he said it also revealed something about the vetting process for candidates.

"This guy was never gonna win," he said. "And so one of the things that I've been doing is looking at the no-hopers on the premise that they're not vetted that deeply. But if they're not vetted deeply, and something comes up, it's going to embarrass the campaign on a national level."

As such, he compared it to the controversy involving pot-smoking and the NDP. On Wednesday, NDP candidate Dana Larsen dropped out of the election after he was shown in old video lighting joints, taking LSD and driving while "flying," as he said in a video.

That's right folks: this guy would have stood up to the madman.
http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/media.canada.com/b1ebd207-78c7-4022-aed7-0925c5ee8f77/chrisreid0921.jpg?size=l

Those are trained killer eyebrow caterpillars.

(sigh. everything already exists. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070924041901AAAHAWb - scroll down to Tosser's answer)

Harold from the Red Green show looks like Lemmy in comparison.

Man spits out ear of decapitated victim (ok, I exaggerated that first bit) and pleads not guilty.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20090302/bus_trial_090303/20090303?hub=TopStories

Verdict: tomorrow
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Canada/2009/03/04/8626906.html

http://images.ctv.ca/archives/CTVNews/img2/20090303/160_cp_Li_090303.jpg

So wait a minute, they brought back the victim to testify in the case?

Smart move. A decapitated head can't point at the killer.

WINNIPEG -- A judge has ruled that Vincent Li is not criminally responsible for the murder and dismemberment of Tim McLean aboard a Greyhound bus.

Yet, in a strange development confirmed shortly after the ruling, a government official told media Li will have a criminal record, which is not typically the case for those found not criminally responsible (NCR).

That official has not yet explained why or how this will occur.

Earlier, the judge did offer insight as to why he chose the NCR ruling.

"Persons who are profoundly ill do not have the mental capacity to intentionally commit a crime," said Justice John Scurfield.

"This case has attracted international attention because of the barbaric manner in which Mr. McLean was killed," Scurfield said.

"These grotesque acts are appalling...but are strongly suggestive of a mental disorder."

The ruling means Li will be held in custody at a mental institution, not jail.

Li will remain in secure custody at the psychiatric unit of Health Sciences Centre until a hearing can be scheduled before the mental health review board.

Oh, ok. If it's gruesome enough, you probably couldn't help yourself? Nice one.

You think he wasn't crazy?

There's quite some discussion about that earlier in this very thread.

i bet if the man was a muslim he wouldn't get away so "easily" with a decapitation.

eh, lol

sorry :P

Did a search for the band Low and clicked on a thread titled 'New Low', expecting it to be about an album of theirs. Instead I came across this sprawling masterpiece, containing some of the worst off colour & "way too soon" frat boy jokes ever.....nicely counterbalanced by some stimulating ethical discussion. Not sure if this is the best or worst thing I've ever read on here. Either way, well played ILX....well played. *insert another 'head' related pun/joke/whatever that i'm too lazy to make*

i think a mod should head off this revive before we get to some posts that will really cut to the bone

i think if anyone ever asks why cankles was banned again, this thread serves as a sufficient reminder...

I can't believe I missed not only this thread, but this entire incident. Just slipped right past me somehow.

U WERE THE KILLER

The wiki page does say that the killer is only now coming around to accepting that he actually committed the crime, though he still doesn't accept the cannibalism part.

This is the most fucked up thing I've ever heard of.

so everyone talks abt this on canadian greyhounds all the time

apparently

weird. I was thinking about this today.