"I Hope You're Happy Now, Jacob"--The LOST Season 5 Thread

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Blood already itching from withdrawal :(

I've rewatched the finale three times now... and had a dirty dream about Sawyer in which he saved me from various terrible situations while we were in Basra, of all places. Perhaps I was trying to figure out what Sayid did there. Anyway, when I woke up I felt guilty w/r/t my boyfriend. Now -that's- a dream!

Do we (or anyone?) know the season five return date?

Sometime in February.

BAN JEREMY BENTHAM

I always get hopeful that the new season will start on/around my birthday (mid feb) so I have an excuse for another LOST party, but it never does ;_;

mid-feb is kinda the perfect time for fav tv shows to come back as at that point winter feels like it will never end
i think maybe i will go to arizona in feb next year tho. i mean, just in case Lost gets delayed haa

Every episode is an excuse for a Lost party! My boyfriend and I had a few, inviting two other couples, and now we three couples rotate having parties at each of our homes. A good excuse to drink red wine on a Thursday night!
I just moved into the same Triplex as one of the other couples so I need a new summer TV show idea! Or more backyard euchre.

Last party involved Dharma Cake and Dharma Beers, crisps etc. Prep took hours and hours. I don't have time every episode!

That finale was such an anticlimax. I am feeling like I might not watch the sixth season, but then I've been saying that before the last two 24s.

Only two seasons left. Why give up now?

srsly alba?

in the cold light of day, how they explain the island... going down into the water... when ben turns a cog... is pretty wtf even for lost. but im sure all will be revealed!

I was thinking the island doesn't really move but only appears to move because of a time shift, like what Halliwax was saying about the bunny right before the tape gets rewound

but yeah it did look like it sank, not just blinked away "poof"

xpost fair enough Gkit. I've been eating Dharma peanut butter for over a year now because of those labels, hah. I did do wine/water bottles for the first few parties, but now we just order pizza and drink Zywiec.

i dont think it sank haha!

it disappeared, water rushed in to fill the empty space

I hope we get to see some zany fake mustaches/etc when Des and Penny go into hiding at various expensive locales!

I also hope they manage to get Libby or Rousseau's characters back to explain the holes in their stories.

i felt like the donkey wheel overly mechanistic island go bloop reaffirmed the shows commitment to the pulpy comic book end of the spectrum steez - which i fully support - its like the button pushing all over again

i loved that donkey wheel scene so much - totally the kind of comic book style i dig

Steampunk?

wtf no

mid-feb is kinda the perfect time for fav tv shows to come back as at that point winter feels like it will never end

YES! Also the season also ends just in time to make way for roadtripping summertime adventures of our own.

This was my favorite finale episode of the series; I hate/am impressed by them for leaving the story in a such a state. What if we don't even see the island again until season 6?

Didn't Ben travel to Oct 2005, and that's when the off-island story takes place? The island's Dec 26 2004 at this point I think. Did I get that wrong?

By the time we get to Bentham's funeral, it's probably around 2007/8, given Aaron's age (being at least 2 or 3 years old). I also doubt they'll drop the island thing completely, especially since they've got all that time to cover to see how Locke messes up the island, filler to pad out the O6 returning to the island which will probably take the entire season (and we should damn well see what happened to Sawyer/Juliet/Rose/Bernard/Charlotte/Daniels/Miles!).

I feel kinda proud, because I recently convinced a friend of mine to get back on the bandwagon after dropping out during early Season 3. (Amazingly he had not been spoiled about the huge show-changing twist of "Through the Looking Glass" all year!) He just finished up that season, and has yet to watch any of Season 4.

About this 'Constant' thing...

Has this been confirmed as a phenomenon firmly rooted in the series, or was it something suggested on ILX? Is it really a lead, and should we look out for more 'pairings'? I forgot about the 'status' of this.

i think the island re-appeared right near where the fake plane wreckage was placed. because this show doesn´t do ridiculous coincidences quite enough.

The constant thing only becomes an issue if people have gone off the island on the wrong bearing. Haven't noticed anyone else becoming unstuck yet, although Faraday probably will as he's floating god knows where now.

It's the title of an episode, which was specifically about people (whose consciousnesses are time-travelling as a result of exposure to electromagnetic radiation) needing Constants, so yeah i think you could say it definitely is part of the show.

so far only Desmond+Penny, Desmond+Daniel have been confirmed as 'constant' pairings.

Locke was also in the hatch when it imploded so he may be able to time-travel as well, if he somehow finds himself on the wrong bearing. If he does have a constant (someone present in both his past and his future) then it's probably... Richard Alpert?

that should probably say "his past and his present" although wtf do those terms mean on Lost these days right?

Ah yes, forgot about the episode named like that, ty.

The constant thing only becomes an issue if people have gone off the island on the wrong bearing.

So could this mean the O6 as well?

It seemed like they followed the right bearing in the helicopter, though there was a descrepancy between Faraday's bearing and the one Ben gave to Michael and Walt--though they were close (305 and 325 I think.) So if Ben was right, then maybe the time sickness is taking a really long time to catch up to them.

I just read that one of the series regulars that's been on since season 1 won't be back next season but WILL be back in season 6. I'm guessing it's Claire.

Yeah, I have heard it's Claire. Season 5 is supposed to be about getting back to the island and 6 about what happens once they get back, so it makes sense.

Hopefully the absence of one pretty Blonde will give them enough screen space for LIBBY! I want to see some crazy Widmore flashbacks in which we find out she was working for or related to Charles! There has to be some explanation for her being in Hurley's hospital and giving Desmond the boat - not to mention her showing up in Michael's hallucinations (considering he killed Ana Lucia too - unless Michelle Roderiguez just wasn't available for an appearance..)

^^ good point!

Libby is my big irritant among all the unsolved mysteries of Lost... she's had a bunch of different lives and they even mentioned her during the press conference when they said "Boone Carlisle, Charlie Pace and Libby all survived but died" - they're so set on hiding her name! Not to mention the craziness of Desmond running off and coming back conveniently in time to miss her arrival on the beach and subsequent death.

Yeah I'd really love her to be back on since they've pretty much left her story hanging for two seasons now. and cause the show is seriously lacking female characters right now. i mean, for all the fuss that Harold Perrineau made about black characters dying on the show, surely females get a rawer deal - not counting redshirts, we've so far lost shannon, ana-lucia, libby, colleen, bea klugh, nikki, isabel, danielle and alex, plus claire for next season.

from the men's side, there's: boone, ethan, goodwin, nathan, eko, tom, pickett, paolo, charlie, mikail, the doc, keamy, michael and maybe jin - but then there are far more central male characters on Lost than females.

Thanks for the clarity Nhex – I'd forgotten that the flashforwards covered so much time.

It's funny, I just assumed that because of Christian's appearance at the last second that Michael would be fine. But I guess Perrineau thought he'd been killed off and went on that tirade, and now I hear they're doing focus groups to figure out if he should come back at all. I think for the island to save him only to have him be killed off right away is weak dramatically – I thought for sure they'd keep him around to be reunited with Walt at the end. Show's about redemption, after all.

Agreed about Libby needing more screentime as well. Is she with Abbadon?

I wonder how much they'll use Widmore next season since they have to fly to London everytime they want to do a scene with that actor. Abbadon's role might be beefed up due to this.

In March 2008, Dale replaced Peter Davison in the lead role of King Arthur in the London West End production of Monty Python's Spamalot at the Palace Theatre.[7] He was cast in the role after he was told he was being written out of Ugly Betty, was a fan of Monty Python and considered that "life's too short" for him to have turned down a West End part.[4] He will be succeeded in the role by Sanjeev Bhaskar on June 23, 2008.[8]

Am I the only person who doesn´t give a shit about Libby anymore? maybe they´ll think up some new angle for her past but can´t see much point in her backstory now.

libby's a hanging thread, but unlike a lot of the other hanging threads on the show (danielle's story, four-toed statue, etc), not getting more on her is going to be the one thing that really sticks out after the show's over because she's so prominent in all the flashbacks she's appeared in, and especially because they keep mentioning her even after she's dead.

isn't the actress who plays libby on some new NBC show? i'm guessing we'll not see a lot of her.

from the men's side, there's: boone, ethan, goodwin, nathan, eko, tom, pickett, paolo, charlie, mikail, the doc, keamy, michael and maybe jin - but then there are far more central male characters on Lost than females.

What, are you suggesting Mikail didn't survive that silly little point-blank grenade blast? Even a mutilated corpse might not convince me of that dude's actual demise at this point.

More wild predictions: Gin will be joining Daniel and the raft party, whose rescue and/or search for the island will constitute a third tier of the action in the upcoming season.

i'd love for Mikhail to come back but i think the producers confirmed he's dead? otherwise, i'm pretty sure that Jin's fine and by the time they see him again he'll be completely fluent in americanese, and not just lapsing into it occasionally.

oops: Gin = Jin. Guess you can tell where my mind is tonight.

i love both Jin and Gin equally.

i have never given a fuck about libby

i only care about libby because i care about hurley.

god, he's so obnoxious! also way to be a dick to your dad when he gives you a car

hurley´s obnoxious?! wtf

am still loving the weekend at benry´s premise set up by ben´s "uh, jack, we ALL have to go back" line indicating locke. then fantasised briefly about the O6 HIJACKING a plane after Jack works his "c´mon i gotta bury my dad i mean friend i mean nemesis" magic with the reluctant desk girl. with locke on board the plane can crash on the island again - locke in place of christian etc. would love to know what ben´s "ideas" for locating it are.

locke is jack's dad and the original crash is actually the one the O6 have to engineer because time is a loop.

oh like he doesn't know where it is!
xpost

he might, he might not. he didn´t know it´d toss him to tunisia in 2005 did he?

I'm predicting dead Locke is going to get back to the island and usurp Jacob.

Also the island is a spaceship.

Hurley started driving that car eventually, right? That's the one he drives across town in the car chase at the start of S4 isn't it?

I think Hurley can be forgiven for being a bit of a dick to his dad seeing as his dad walked out on them when he was a child and only turned up again when he discovered his son was a mult-millionaire.

xpost On any other show, I would welcome spaceships but not this one. For a show so concerned with the idea of humanity (...the nature of), bringing aliens into it = BOO.

NOT SURE IF MORE LIKING THE DANIEL UNSTUCK IN SPACE-TIME THEORY OR THE DANIEL/JIN ISLAND SEARCHING TEAM-UP THEORY...BOTH ARE GOOD I AM SAYING

Amusing interview with Naveen Andrews:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/a99429/qa-naveen-andrews-lost.html

That is a great interview! And whoah, he only watched the pilot! How strange must that be.

...which of the many twists do you want to find out the answer to?
"The foot with the f**king toe missing. What was that and is it going to come back? Is there going to be two feet next time, with a geezer on top as the rest of the body?"

This is brilliantly in touch with alot of viewers I think!

re: Daniel/Jim's wild ride: Jin's a fisherman so they should be okay for food as well. I like it!

Haha Daniel and Jin alone in the sea together would be hilarious, they just wouldn't be able to communicate with one another. Jin would look at Daniel earnestly and say in his best English "do you want fish?" and Dan would be staring right past him and going "well... fish is kind of an elastic concept at this point..."

Haha.

Maybe he's been keeping that tie on all this time so that it will be used to create a fishing lure/boomerang/parachute for rescue.

Just watched the pilot of JJ Abrams' Fringe.

It could be the best show since Lost began. Serious.

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For those not able to join us in San Diego, Dharma's full recruitment program will be made available online to registered recruits after July 27th.

In the meantime, the Dharma Initiative urges you to spread the word. Invite your colleagues to join the team at www.octagonglobalrecruiting.com and take part in this once in a lifetime opportunity.

It could be the best show since Lost began. Serious.

Wow, I had the opposite reaction, I thought it was really derivative. I liked the production values and the lead actress is good, but there was nothing I haven't really seen before.

I liked Fringe a lot but yeah, wasn't that blown away. It's kinda standard JJ Abrams, I guess. hot female lead with loyal support team and a big mystery conspiracy. Only this time less spy hijinks, more pseudoscience. And Dharma/Hanso-like evil corporations rather than evil governments.

I'm guessing Michael Giacchino does the music for Fringe as well - he does the same cello "bong" sound whenever there's a crucial reveal/plot point. At one point, they re-used the bit from when the castaways are traipsing across the island in the finales... it was really odd and distracting to hear the Lost score on a different show.

Yeah, the re-used musical cues were distracting, since I recognized them from Lost too. I just assumed it was a temp track, like the Morricone cue from The Mission that was in every trailer for a few years. And I thought the credit sequence was unfinished, it seemed pasted on.

Kirk Acevedo's final monologue was … painful. Was it a good idea to cast Lance Reddick again? He's awesome but I dunno about having him in two Abrams shows at once. (Trying not to go into too much detail since offtopic and possibly spoilery.)

you're probably right that it is temp music - i forget they never settle these things for pilot episodes and assumed, with Abrams and Reddick in it, that they just got Giacchino to do it as well. I think the show has room to improve.. maybe get better writers. Dialogue was awful.

i don't really see a problem with Reddick being on both shows so long as they don't decide to significantly expand his role on Lost. I mean Alan Dale/Charles Widmore is on at least three or four different shows at a time (he's still a regular on Ugly Betty right? plus all his brit shows) and they still managed to make it work somehow.

widmore was killed off ugly betty at the end of last season i think but yeah, it was never really a problem having him on both.

ah ok.

btw, there's a tiny Lost shout-out near the start... i won't spoil it here, but did anyone else spot it? and their head showrunner is former Lost exec/writer Jeff Pinkner, so i'm guessing lots of little crossover-refs like this between these two shows if Fringe gets picked up.

plus all his brit shows

Er, these don't exist.

Well, except for one episode of Torchwood.

yeah? i thought he did a couple of other UK shows plus Spamalot. In any case, the guy seems to be regularly employed.

Britishes know him as Jim Robinson, one of the original characters from the popular Aussie soap Neighbours. He had one of the two most distressing death scenes of my childhood.

It doesn't matter how much A List American telly Alan Dale does, he will always be Jim Robinson to us.

Man, I bet he hates that.

Where'd you guys see Fringe? It's supposed to be premiering in Sept.

A couple of comments:

1. Adam + Eve = Bernard + Rose, obviously? Hasn't this occurred to anyone else?
2. Jack is not going to be able to convince everyone to go back to the island. He's going to have a kidnap at least one of them (part of what Ben meant by saying he could help).

"obviously"

yeah, how is that obvious

Alan Dale will always be conniving grandpa Caleb Nichol on The O.C. to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hNdFbwgg0E

Rose and Bernard as Adam and Eve occurred to me as well. I can't see them killing them off and I can't see them leaving the island, so it would be a convenient end to their story.

But I still think its Jack and Kate really.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yATh1D-3u8

There's Jim Robinson dying. Eww that gurgling noise.

black and white stones - that's the clue

our favourite show got mostly shut out of the emmys again - not even a directing or writing nom. although crossed fingers for Michael Emerson (Best Supporting) and long shot for the Outstanding Drama category.

It got a bunch of technical noms.

aye but they hardly win those either. I think this is the least number of emmy noms they've ever had.

I don't like the Adam & Eve thing at all (if it's meant to be some kind of time glitch and that's two people we know now). If they were gonna do that kind of thing (on-island 'future echoes') there should be more incidents of it, unless J&K remain on the island long after everyone else has gone or directly cause another time-jump/teleportation/whatever - something significant enough for the future echo to be a gap of several years rather than just the minutes-hours we've seen so far. But this would still be rubbish as so many will have worked out who they are beforehand.

I never saw Jim Robinson die (stopped watching before that). Don't think I'm ready yet.

Just a consideration re: Adam & Eve and the stones: Jack took them, not Rose or Bernard. Of course, it's unlikely Jack managed to keep them, what with the being trapped in the hydra, a second plane crash, and all the other things.. but maybe they are in his tent?

Jim Robinson died?!?!

Didn't Desmond have the black and white stones at some point? I seem to remember them appearing in one of his flashbacks. I don't think I'm making this up. I remember being convinced that Adam + Eve would be Desmond and Penny for a while, anyway.

I was really hoping that the Des & Penny episode would get recognized somehow. I think I enjoyed that 45 minutes of television more than anything in a long, long time.

B&W imagery is rampant throughout Lost, but I don't recall seeing the stones themselves in Desmond's possession.

Lostpedia is great for this stuff: http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Stones

http://13.afs.googleadservices.com/trends/hottrends?q=hans+van+eeghen&date=2008-6-19&sa=X

ARG + other stuff from Comic-Con:

http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/07/25/trans-2008-07-25-comic-con-report-visionaries-panel/
http://www.hawaiiup.com/lost/2008/07/26/lost-panel/

Podcasts from the EW Visionaries panel and the Lost panel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5_o9p4W1C4&feature=related
http://lostoctagonglobalrecruiting.blogspot.com/2008/07/screencaps-from-dharma-bluetooth.html

Dodgy-quality Dharma video sent out via Bluetooth + screencaps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn_dNsaz-AA

Really dodgy-quality Marvin Candle video, supposedly secretly filmed by one of the Octagon recruits. In which you find out Candle's real name, and he asks you to "save Dharma" and change the past. The vid appears to have been filmed by someone who sounds a lot like Faraday (except that this was supposedly 30 years ago so.... hmmm?).

thank u

Yeah that does sound just like Faraday's voice.

Is there going to be any more to the summer Dharma experience than taking tests?

i miss lost

lol me too

i checked the other day to see when it was starting // wtf 2009

I'd assumed January 2009?

maybe Feb. i thought i would miss it more than i am doin'. the wait for the final season will probably be harder.

internet says feb 4

IMPORTANT: SECURITY UPDATE

Please be aware that investigations are continuing into the latest security breach discovered around the Volunteer Recruitment Program. Measures are being implemented to preserve the integrity of the program and to ascertain the identity of 'Black Swan'. Additionally, assessment data is being analyzed in order to determine which recruits may have exploited confidential information.

Recruits found to have benefited illegally from this material will be dealt with appropriately by the Dharma Initiative's Recruit Evaluation Panel.

In the meantime, I urge all recruits to avoid contact with the material being distributed by 'Black Swan'. The integrity of the entire Volunteer Recruitment program is at risk.

Namaste.

Hans Van Eeghen
Head of Recruiting
The Dharma Initiative

someone point me at a summary of the new lost ARG shit because i can't be arsed to keep up.

I just started season 2 in my "re-watch Lost" marathon. Walt just got taken by the creepy dudes on the boat, and Rousseau stole the as-yet unnamed (I think) Aaron. It's so fun to watch knowing what we know now! I have been paying special attention to Locke and Walt, of course.

prob just go to lostpedia xp

bored last night, i made these:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3237/2905141377_96e8f5db1e.jpg

http://io9.com/5060911/magnetic-anomaly-map-of-the-world

lol, those miis are awesome!

Agreed!

i miss Lost. February is so far away. :(

Season 5 Promo!

"We're going on vacation, baby."

They do great promo

They also do great TV show

was that a super brief shot of Eko's plane hanging in the trees? or a different plane?

also noticed person in yellow quarantine suit stepping out of a hatch with a gun pointed at daniel (i think)

be nice to see a trailer that's all new footage tho

Lost Season 5 Premier is Set for January 21

Yep, that's a Wednesday, and it's where Lost — which last season aired Thursdays at 10 pm/ET, following Grey's Anatomy — will stay.

More specifically, Lost's regular time slot will be Wednesdays at 9 pm, though the new cycle will kick off with a three-hour event — a clip show followed by the first two episodes.

Last season, Lost saw its best-laid plans to air all of its episodes uninterrupted, à la 24, waylaid by the WGA strike. At this time, sources are unable to confirm if the 17-episode Season 5 will in fact pull off the straight-through feat.

LOST

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PremierE

Did you guys see the SEASON 5 PROMO yet!?!?!?!

I can't see it but is it the same one i posted upthread?

Hmm, counting down 16 weeks (2 episodes on Jan 21st) ends up the first week of May, so I doubt it will have the uninterrupted season that was the original plan for last year... bit of a bummer. My guess is they'll take most of April off again, and have another big two-hour finale for May sweeps.

Glad it's going to be back on virgin media! Might even get myself one of these to celebrate
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I am hosting some parties to watch old episodes before this one premieres.. what do you people out there consider essential Lost episodes??

I am trying to keep away from just doing season finales/premieres and instead pick interesting ones, maybe in light of what we know.. The Locke and Walt episodes? Claire's "Raised by Another"? What episode would you most like to re-watch before the premiere? We'll be having several of these nights so I don't have to narrow it down much, and I don't have season 4 on DVD yet, but hope to when it comes out...

the Claire one with the psychic definitely. and also the one later where Eko visits the psychic (b/c his daughter drowned or something?)

also the flashback to when Ben was a little kid

time travel time travel time travel

^^^^ yeah after the s4 time travel ep I wanted to see the one where Desmond gets conked with a paint can

Season 1: Walkabout, Raised by Another, All the Best Cowboys have Daddy Issues
Season 2: Maternity Leave, ?, Dave
Season 3: Enter 77, Flashes Before Your Eyes (esp. since Ms. Hawking is rumoured to make a comeback in season 5), One of Us, The Man Behind the Curtain
Season 4: The Economist, The Constant (YES!), The Shape of Things To Come, Cabin Fever

oooh those are all excellent suggestions, forgot about eko and the psychic! I should have some theme nights… “Psychic night,” "Cooper night" (i.e. Sawyer kid flashback, Locke becomes obsessed with him episode) “Hit by a car night” (there’s this one car—maybe a prop, maybe not—that has hit Michael, Locke and I think others).. I have to think of more. "Daddy issues night" would be essentially seasons 1-4.

xp nice Roz! thank you!

oh for season 2 also: everybody hates hugo - for the awesome dream sequence with english-speaking jin and the man in the chicken suit. :D

yeah reading Roz's list is pretty much precise.. I will have to get me to Lostpedia to plot out the ones we *need* to rewatch.

hahaha I loved that sequence... "It's all going to change. 0_o"

yay Lost! you should have Smokemonster nights - Smokey episodes are always great.

hey now that's a GREAT idea! I was given a surround sound system as a present and the smoke monster really scares you when it's swirling all around the room. thank you!

Don't forget Psalm 23 - some of the best smokemonster action in the series - the part where it's "scanning" Eko's memories.

Holy shit I miss Eko.

We've done nights for certain character arcs. For Desmond we did s2 finale, Flashes Before Your Eyes, the one where he's a monk and meets Penny, then The Constant (I'm pretty sure The Constant is my favorite episode of Lost or possibly any tv series).

I just discovered my local ABC affiliate shows two episodes of LOST in a row starting at 11:30 PM on Sunday nights. Last night I happened upon "...In Translation," the Jin flashback episode from Season 1.

I love Locke's speech in that one where he shouts at everybody.

My boyfriend and I are re-watching everything start to finish and we're in season 2, near the beginning.. the other night I watched the one where AnaL gets thrown into the pit with Sawyer, Mike and Jin. I'd forgotten about Ana Lucia, ugh. On the plus side: Libby! I love her.

anal gets thrown in the ppit

you're welcome

For Desmond we did s2 finale, Flashes Before Your Eyes, the one where he's a monk and meets Penny, then The Constant (I'm pretty sure The Constant is my favorite episode of Lost or possibly any tv series).

yeah Desmond's character arc is the best. they established this expansive and emotionally rewarding backstory in just three episodes and then The Constant somehow managed to condense everything good about Lost into one. heady time travel and mythology mumbo jumbo, action, mystery, random death and ending all of those in one unabashedly romantic moment - so perfect.

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ive seen daniel dae kim around town a few times in the last month or so since they started shooting. theres probably a million blogs talking about this already like the harold perrineau "surprise" last season but U HEARD IT HERE FIRST
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ps cant wait for lost

"We're going on vacation, baby."

― Disco/Very (Roz), Thursday, October 23, 2008 3:47 PM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I would imagine Jin would appear in flashbacks if nothing else. But now we know that no one can die unless the island lets them then it's perfectly logical that someone would survive an exploding boat in the middle of the sea with no land around at all.

it just so happened that Jin survived but all the other people on the boat we don't know didn't :)

I never thought Jin would be dead...but possibly sent to another time (Jin DHARMA shenanigans ahoy).

yeah i never thought he was dead either. cardinal rule of tv: when important characters die, they usually get their little moment in the spotlight. jin never got a proper farewell moment or episode.

yeah and that grave is obv fake.

um of course it's fake - they never even saw his body? it was more like a memorial stone planted by sun.

the important thing on a narrative/character level is that sun *thinks* that jin is dead - it's the thing that drives her to go up against widmore and orchestrate a takeover of her dad's company.

i watched the episode where Desmond goes back in time after the hatch explodes last night. I forgot how they introduced the "course-correction" idea that is later developed with Michael in S4. My life with be > 30% better when Lost returns!

http://www.docarzt.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/lost_y5_adart_vert_noabc.jpg

hey Daniel's in the poster. good good

^season 5 official poster btw

what a bunch of unflattering pics of all the girls

u trippin

No Claire. ;_;

Or Jin!

but there's Des!

cool poster altho having one more on the left than on the right is a bit odd - could've shoved Smokey (or Christian) just behind Miles

What do you mean? Jacob is just behind Miles.

Rebecca Mader is BANGIN.

Did you guys see the other new promo that is kind of the music video for a terrible terrible song?

Juliet lookin' good

^^

if you can get past the shitty song, some interesting footage in that youtube clip too, including:

http://base58.com/ilx/ajira.jpg

that was a bitch to capture

Also interesting footage: hail of flaming arrows, Dan with hazmat suit guy pointing gun at him, Charlotte with bloody nose (is this like Des & Minkowski?). Oh man!

What a great song!

lol coldplayish

And The Fray's quest to take over every goddamn primetime tv show continues!

screencaps: http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2008/11/new-season-5-promo-and-fray-music-video.html

and http://www.ajiraairways.com/

It's no Scrubs montage, I tell yas

Kate looks ridiculously hot in that poster.

huh?
I mean what?

http://a5.vox.com/6a00c2251ded1f8e1d00f48d0261ad0001-500pi

WAHT!

am in tears of laughter at that vid

WHUT

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/a137336/two-minutes-from-the-new-season-of-lost.html

^^I did not watch this but someone else might want to.

WAHT

Nah seriously, it spells a whole lotta runnin' and trouble, again. Which is good.

is it me or is there a sense the lawyer is a sort of fraudster/evil employee or whomever

the way kate and aaron talk to each other really grates (hard to do i guess but still), not looking fwd to any scenes ft. them

http://eyemsick.blogspot.com/2008/12/spoiler-new-dharma-symbol.html

saybyebyebaby!!

i don't think anyone taught her that those spaces between words are there for a reason!

I would be a lot more psyched about this if it weren't for the fact that the season is probably going to get fucked up again by some stupid Hollywood strike last it did last year. (((((

they've only got a few more to film i think

i'm just worried about how boring the jack/kate/aaron thing might be

i think that clip is sped up 5-10%

ugh it's gonna be super boring
xpost

they've only got a few more to film i think

They're filming ep. 11 right now. They should be fine.

Yeah but... Walt though.

They need to team Walt and Hurley up as a double-act really.

this season break was waaaaaay too long

I know, I'm dying here.
Re-watching season 4, I remembered it as being so awesome but the 1st few eps are not THAT amazing (also I'm trying to convince OH of its awesomeness and may have overhyped it to some degree).

TWO WEEKS

:D

this time i think I will wait a few eps before taking the plunge (altho I know that means missing out on the great chatter on this thread)

CAN'T WAIT. need new thread soon too.

I also have to say that I barely remember anything from last season at this point. I shd rewatch it but not sure I can be bothered

the thing i really enjoyed aside from this thread abt watching them as they aired for the 1st time was the weeks of speculation/theorizing - i really got mentally into the show more

^^

Andrew and I have been furiously watching season 4 (he bought me the DVD for Christmas). You should be bothered, the season was phenomenal and re-watching it has been really revealing, even for a hardcore psycho obsessive like me! I thought I knew everything.. I forgot a lot, including almost all of the Ben episode where he ends up in Tunisia. The doctor with his slit throat and the SOS! Sawyer's incredible imperviousness(no idea) to bullets and the red shirt death sequence!
I'm hosting a premiere party for 6 of us (oooh.. sounds like we need some sort of Oceanic Six theme) and am super excited. I even bought a couch!

i had a dream last night that everyone on Lost was turning into a vampire. Sawyer was one of the only non-vampires left. he REALLY didn't want to be a vampire. it was very exciting and scary! then i became a vampire and everything went downhill from there.

Ignore what I said above, second half of s4 is as brilliant as I remembered, if not more. Saving the s4 finale till nearer the time...

I'm not going to read this thread, as i'm a lost-latecomer, but i'm watching the finale of season 4 and my newest theory is that john locke & benjamin linus brothers?

this show lost me for a while, but the end of season three and season four have been great.

john locke & benjamin linus brothers?

my take was that locke was the successor to christian

planefull of people will be taking locke's casket back to the island ... maybe he ends up in the cabin

i almost called you tonight when i got off the train around 11:45 but i didn't know if you'd be up. drrr.

ANYWAY, i don't even know who christian is.
i missed more than a few episodes. my roommates always send discs back before i finish them.

I peeked at the list of guest stars for the first two episodes and got excited.

the thing i really enjoyed aside from this thread abt watching them as they aired for the 1st time was the weeks of speculation/theorizing - i really got mentally into the show more

― ice cr?m, Wednesday, January 7, 2009 12:41 PM

yes! 4 was the first season i watched 'in real time' as i had never seen an ep til last january and somehow managed 1-3 in one month! it was great to finally know what all these people were talking about. also, reading this thread allowed me to seem really impressive w/ theories in real life conversations! i need a lost-watching group, i think, now that i will be home when it airs (if anyone is interested we now have a gigantic plasma that i think will be excellent for watching on!).

also btw, at least in ny, they rerun lost episodes late on saturday nights :D

Psyched about the new season, but I've forgotten so much stuff! What's a good way to get into it again, take a short course to freshen the memory, without having to re-watch the entiry previous season? Any ideas?

they will probably show some kind of recap episode beforehand. this will be annoying tho.

I know, both of the recap and the annoyance those always are

ANYWAY, i don't even know who christian is.

Jack's dad the drunky surgeon, hangs out in the cabin w/ Jacob, etc

i almost called you tonight when i got off the train around 11:45 but i didn't know if you'd be up. drrr.

enh that's alright I don't think I was home yet then, I was out with j0n and v1c. but yeah I'm always up then pretty much.

Psyched about the new season, but I've forgotten so much stuff! What's a good way to get into it again, take a short course to freshen the memory, without having to re-watch the entiry previous season? Any ideas?

Lostpedia is pretty good for just clicking around, episode by episode, and picking out the juicy bits or what you've forgotten.

Gah, I totally forgot about Lostpedia, what being 'lost' in all the Lost-blogs out there. Thanks!

ABC has this handy LOST in 5 mins thingy:

...They enjoy the good life, and want to be left alone.

lol @ hotel where i work:

Thanks Roz!

So they bug out, and Jin is left behind. They have no choice but to return to the island, but it's gone.
"Where's the island?" "It's gone!" No way.

can't stand the way she pronounces "baby" as "bebeh" tho.

Haha OMG I was just gonna say the same thing Roz! Bebbeh! Love her otherwise though.

"we're going on vacation, bebeh!"

favourite lost theorizing blog: http://lost-and-gone-forever.blogspot.com/

first post on there has all the damon/carlton vids from over the break. nothing spoiler-y, just the usual ambiguous hints about stuff you've already forgotten about.

latest theory on 'Adam and Eve': they are stupid and i do not care about who they were/are

otm

uh you guys are so wrong

so the whole season is going to be about trying to get back to the island... that means how many seasons after this one? there's going to be a lot less questions and a lot more answers as time goes on, I suppose.

this is the second to last season.

good link roz

Andrew and I have been furiously watching season 4 (he bought me the DVD for Christmas). You should be bothered, the season was phenomenal and re-watching it has been really revealing, even for a hardcore psycho obsessive like me! I thought I knew everything.. I forgot a lot, including almost all of the Ben episode where he ends up in Tunisia. The doctor with his slit throat and the SOS! Sawyer's incredible imperviousness(no idea) to bullets and the red shirt death sequence!
I'm hosting a premiere party for 6 of us (oooh.. sounds like we need some sort of Oceanic Six theme) and am super excited. I even bought a couch!

― skeletal lexing (Finefinemusic),

Can you make a longer post about these things you forgot and other things the casual watcher might have forgot? Even if they are just short but detailed descriptions. It would be appreciated. Thanks for the consideration/

Here's a season four recap that might be handy - I don't know if I could do justice! There are a lot of nerdier Lost fans out there with better memories than me, and all are editing Lostpedia :) http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Season_4

Does ABC repeat Lost, usually? I'm going to LA a day or 2 after the 1st episode airs, but it's still a few days before it airs in the UK.

Get hip to the times: Watch it on teh internet, baby!

Won't have internet in LA unless I can leech next door's wireless again, and that was no way stable enough to watch video.

7 days. 7 days. 7 days.

PSYCHED

ONE WEEK FIVE HOURS THIRTY THREE MINUTES

btw ABC is replaying the final three episodes of season four tonight in "enhanced versions" tonight. (I assume this is like last year's replays with text at the bottom of the screen telling us that Jack is in love with Kate or whatever) for those of you that wanted a refresher.

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/01/lostabctv.html

That article has got me anticipating this series quite ridiculously.

Amazed they spent five weeks on The Constant - they must really love Desmond as a character.

I saw here that The Constant was a huge audience favorite. I love Desmond so that episode was one of my absolute faves too.
I am so excited for the new season. I've never watched those "enhanced versions" or even a recap before each new season, but last night I watched the entire 3 hour recap. So now i can barely wait until next week!

just watched the finale again, it is fucking amazing. it's v schlocky at times but I think after watching all the episodes you really feel for the characters, crazy and all as the plot is. something about how scarred and bruised they all are in that final few minutes and then their horrible pact of having to lie about it all, the perseverance of them all, the way their lives are all so fucked up by the entire thing...all accompanied by that tear jerking orchestral soundtrack....BRING ON THE NEW SERIES

btw I really like Lapidus...hope he's in the new one too. Sawyer/Lapidus back and forth is essential. "Hey Kenny Rogers"

Lapidus is the only freighter dude not on the poster.

But yeah he rules.

somewhere upthread or on another thread speculated that lapidus would have to be the one to fly them back, esp since he was supposed to fly 815 originally

they never really got into the Lapidus leaving story, did they? On Penny's boat Jack is all “I hope I never see you again” and they never mention him again – you’d think if Widmore’s ship blew up he would be sure to keep his eye out for any of the crew members suddenly showing up back at home..

totally agree/hope he'll be their pilot though

well they haven't had anytime to get into Lapidus leaving yet really

VERY MINOR SPOILER INDEED

Apparently in the early part of this season we will get to see Sayid killing someone with a dishwasher.

SECOND MINOR SPOILER INDEED, RELATED TO JIN

NYT article on the impossible job of srcipt-coordinator Gregg Nations

And don't forget to contribute to, or at least vote in, my heretofore unpopular poll

Had he a background in computer science, Mr. Nations now says, he might have approached the “Lost” project differently. “The best thing would have been to create a database where everything’s linked, and if we’re talking about Jack and what was established in his first flashback episode, you could click on something that takes you there,” he said. But as an accountant, he was more inclined just to make notes in a ledger. “I’ve just created these Word documents, and I just write everything down.”

^^interesting... they do know that such a database exists right? Lostpedia?

seen that sayid bit in one of the sneak peaks

Happy with the reports there'll be a lot more Sawyer in this season - he got kind of dicked over storyline-wise last year.

Just watched the s4 finale and the only thing I noticed that I'd forgotten was Miles & Charlotte deciding to stay on the island instead of going with Daniel to the freighter and Miles saying that Charlotte was 'back on the island' and later Charlotte saying she was still looking for where she was born.

Also Locke got some good laughs from me with Ben putting metallic stuff in the vault.

I'm not really sure what more they can do with Sawyer, though - it felt like his storylines reached a dead end by the beginning of Season 3. Like with Charlie they pulled the "he's a good guy, he's a bad guy, he wants redemption, but he's selfish" see-saw too many times without adding substantially to his story - after the Cooper strangling he feels rather pointless.

I am dying to finally see the flashbacks for Daniel, Charlotte and especially Miles.

still kinda expecting Sawyer and Juliet to get it on given her penchant for dodgy blokes

I'm not really sure what more they can do with Sawyer, though - it felt like his storylines reached a dead end by the beginning of Season 3. Like with Charlie they pulled the "he's a good guy, he's a bad guy, he wants redemption, but he's selfish" see-saw too many times without adding substantially to his story - after the Cooper strangling he feels rather pointless.

There's loads they can do with him - and they'll need to as well seeing as he's the only Season One big guy left on the island. Well, Locke as well depending which point in time we're talking. Plus there's that baby stuff that I don't really care about. I suspect quite a bit of it will be him looking for Claire.

CLAIRE WAS IN THE BLACK LODGE. wait what?

i hope she's been possessed by Jacob and officially now high priest queen of the volcano

Maybe kind of SPOILER(?):

Titles of first ten episodes!

Because You Left
The Lie
Jughead
The Little Prince
This Place is Death
The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham
316
LaFleur
Namaste
He's Our You

?!!??!???

guys I saw a couple of clips from one of the episodes (about 90 seconds in total) and HOLY SHIT we're going to see some REALLY interesting things. Anyone having a premiere party? Any themes/ideas? I got nothing.

also, I agree with upthread.. Rewatched TNPLH on the weekend and MEGA LOLZ with Locke saying "you do know he said NOT to put metal in there right?"

oh also, I don't know what it means but I was rewatching a s3 Ben episode and Horace Goodspeed, in the episode where you see Ben come to the island as a kid, tells Ben “I was there the day of your birth,” which we obviously saw (he rescued Ben’s dad/dying mom) and struck me as having a pretty huge parallel with Alpert being at the hospital when John Locke was born. Horace later appears to John, and has the map/blueprint to Jacob’s cabin in his pocket.. so I wonder if we will see more Horace?

The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham

This is the one I'm looking forward to most.

I've been watching the best bits of S4 again and Miles is hilarious.

I hope that half the season isn't taken up by all the currently off-island characters running around California sneaking into each other's houses in the middle of the night.

I'm hoping for lots of Widmore and Ben level political intrigue. Also Faraday will have to find Desmond at some point because he'll be needing his constant back.

INCREDIBLY ANAL AND GEEKY THING I HAVE ONLY JUST NOTICED - the plot of The Constant hinges on Penny having the same phone number in 1996 as in 2004, but all the telephone numbers in London actually changed around 2000, which means Future Desmond On The Boat would never have been able to reach her. Well, actually he would, because Penny could evidently see into the future and gave him a new-style London number. Obviously I didn't notice any of this at the time because I was too busy going 'OMG this is amazing!' over and over again.

God I am ashamed of myself for posting that.

The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham

!!!!!!!!!!!

when does this start?

wednesday

Lost party going down wednesday night!

So I read up on wikis, as dude suggested

Horace (the guy who found Ben and died when Ben gassed the dharma iniative - Ben closed his eyelids when he went back to the scene) will be back this season (even if only in flashbacks) because I think I read he'll be back somewhere, and Horace works for The Arrow which has a unknown purpose ATM, like The Door (which probably was just a decoy since it was at the decoy camp - and only rocks were found behind it) and The Orchid and The Temple (links to the stations). Horace is a mathematician so I'm sure he might be important regarding time travel or the stuff daniel faraday was working on. His wife is a teacher who had a symbol on her vest that isn't one of the ones.

Ben's childhood friend might come back as well. Annie

so yeah, Horace, Olivia and Annie should be back (even if only in flashbacks) - according to DVD commentarys.

He's Our You

ha ha

hey I'm a dudette, man

but thanks for posting the Horace stuff, I need to go poke around Lostpedia a bit!

http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/Lost+Titles

Have listened to this so many times I'm disappointed when it doesn't happen on the real one. Watching it now to get psyched up!!

I took a sick day to stay in and watch the inaugural events this morning. I have decided to follow that up with a front-to-back consecutive viewing of Season 4, in anticipation of tomorrow night's premiere. I'm four episodes in thusfar. It's going to be a long night.

*yes this is a lazy, geeklike thing to do, but harbor no regrets and will make no apologies.

TONIGHT!!

http://i42.tinypic.com/14xnjtg.jpg

lol

O WAIT LOL

things I want to know or know more about this season:

1. what is smokey
2. how did ben summon it to kill the soldiers?
3. how did widmore find the island?
4. miles abilities wtf?
5. i suppose someone somewhere might care about charlotte's stupid backstory...
6. the black rock, how did it get so far inland? and more black rock in general would be good?
7. where is claire?
8. giant statue
9. alpert/natives
10. matthew abbadon
11. how did anthony cooper end up on the island?
12. what is the temple?
13. libby?

probably loads more I'm forgetting too.

things that will be boring this season

1. Kateandaaronkatenadaaronkateandaaron
2. Claire probably pretty boring let's face it, she always seems to be half asleep.

I'd assumed Ben's contacts knocked out Anthony Cooper and brought him to the Island on the submarine?

Got a feeling it'll take them the entire season to find Claire, now she's hanging with Jacob and Christian in the invisible cabin, and the dudes who can see it (Locke and Hurley) are off-island.

claire not appearing for most of this season if i'm not mistaken.

3. most likely from the blip when the Swan imploded - Penny wasn't the only person tracking the island.
4. i was wondering if miles' abilities might be related to how Desmond was able to see the future?
11. i just assumed the others brought him in before locke blew up their submarine?

xpost

Black Rock's gonna be big this season - thinking back to the scene where Widmore buys the first mate's log or whatever at auction. My guess is 'the island was moved and appeared out of nowhere right under where the Black Rock was sailing'.

yeah I guess that is how Cooper came to be on the island, it still isn't that clear though.

Good theory on the Black Rock Matt.

I am hoping that the reason they are bothering to make us care about Charlotte is that she is either Ben's gf Annie or their child (+/- age due to weird time shifting things). Otherwise GTFO, Lewis.

BTW GOOD WORK ROZ ;)

Charlotte is obviously linked to the Dharma Initiative in some way and probably the key to us finding out what it actually did. Also I quite like her zingy bitchiness.

I wonder if the main reason Ben wants to go back is cuz Locke is dead. Ben just wants back on Jacob's good side or something.. and maybe Jacob himself can admit he was wrong for choosing Locke over Ben.

But that wouldn't work with my theory (I just made up) of Jacob as a time traveling ghost confined to the house because he wouldnt have chosen Locke in the first place?

By the way, I'm not sure we really need a new thread so I'm just removing the word 'Anticipation', if that's cool?

I think I can live with that, Matt, thanks!

starting to get psyched!!!!

LOST

2 hours ... so excited u guys

L O S T

        LOST
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      L  O  S  T
     L   O   S   T
    L    O    S    T
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  L      O      S      T
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doods its almost on :)

NEVER BEEN SO EXCITED TO SEE CATCH-UP EPISODE

http://www.gifmania.co.uk/tv-series/lost/lost.gif

tried watching the catch up show - unbearable

watching catch up right now, i sort of prefer my half-remembered acct of what happened

WWHOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

DUDE

WHOAAOWOWWWWW

ok so anyone else wondering if the time jumps on the island are happening every 108 minutes?

How does moving through time also move them through physical space?

time shit is bonkerz

this is as confusing as Primer

time shit is awesomez
this is as awesomez as the the opposite of Primus

Ha I totally called it that 'Neil' was gonna die.

http://www.gifmania.co.uk/tv-series/lost/lost.gif

!

pretty good

First 20 minutes > A+++
Rest of it > A-

ugh i love this show so much its gross

i hope jaymc got his bernard and rose fix

lol

i am going to start throwing hot pockets @ ppl when they piss me off now.

also: LIBBY SAYS HI

Neil Frogurt was played by the guy from the Aaron Burr "Got Milk?" ad.

I know I'm in the minority but I really missed Ana Lucia! And I love how they brought back Frogurt as such an asshole you knew he was going to be brutally killed sometime - and that did not disappoint. Sayid ass-kicking was fabulous as usual. Really entertaining eps tonight!

frogurt is also the free dude in "people under the stairs". newt?

Washing knives in a dishwasher -- tsk.

Great episode(s).

I <3 shih tzus

I downloaded and watched 30 minutes of this before I realized I only had the second half! Fuck! I was like "Man, this is hard to follow, even for lost" And the first half is still nowhere to be found.

The moment Frogurt spoke I said to my roommate "this guy is going to die horribly" haha.

At least 2 people in the room simultaneously "WHAT the FUUUUUCK!??!"ed at TimeCop lady (Fionnula Flannegan)'s island marker pendulum lair or whatever it was.

Daniel Dae Kim still mysteriously in cast list!

Maybe his corpse landed within the radius.

That was a very strange and satisfying episode.

God I wish they could ditch the one character flashback/foreward format and do every episode in his awesome bonkers jump to everyone all episode long format all season.

this was great as a "oh yeah, we're not fucking around" opener.

Ha I totally called it that 'Neil' was gonna die.

am i imagining things or was he literally wearing a red shirt when he first appeared this ep?

Dr. Candle's baby (obviously Miles, amirite?) made the Prince/Aaliyah baby sound! It's like the Wilhelm scream of baby sfx I guess.

why obvs miles? just because he is ASIAN?

I didn't think it was Miles, but just thought, "oh, they have a newborn" (ie. either they brought the kid from off island, or the infertility thing hasn't started yet at that point)

I wonder who will turn out to be Charlotte's constant (Ben?)

the whole bit about Desmond being uniquely special / you can break the rules of time / Daniel appears in his dream was fuckin great

But it wasn't a dream it was a MEMORY!

Dr Candle's newborn implies that at some point babies COULD be born on the island.

For a second I thought they were really going to cut off Juliet's hand!

(ie. either they brought the kid from off island, or the infertility thing hasn't started yet at that point)

Yeah, I think this is what we're meant to take away -- I don't think the kid has to grow up to be anyone we know.

They obviously blasted the 'wheel room' at some point, probably all the baby problems start then.

I wonder who will turn out to be Charlotte's constant (Ben?)

i'm kinda thinking she doesn't have one.

when frogurt died i said to my roommate, 'eh, he was annoying anyway.'

didn't somebody theorize that dr. candle was miles' father at some point last season? because that was in my head so when i saw him + baby i was like 'oooh' and maybe that is why miles has special powers - because he was born/lived on the island.

"God I wish they could ditch the one character flashback/foreward format and do every episode in his awesome bonkers jump to everyone all episode long format all season."

I read that this is how it is going to be for the rest of the show.

also, wtf at crazy church chalk pendulum

seems like some sort of foucault's pendulum which is letting them know where/when an "event window" will open so they can re-enter the island.

i assume the entire season will consist of trying to convince hurley, sun, and kate to go back to the island.

why would sayid say never trust ben, if it seems he is still working for him?

i never got the impression he was working for him because he LIKED him, just because he had something on him.

i assumed it was cause ben had him convinced he was doing the right thing ie protecting his friends getting revenge on baddies etc

yes but he's not following his credo to hurley of "whatever benjamin linus says, do the opposite"

ha yah he went back on that pretty fast

Hugo recapping 4 seasons of LOST to his mom was lol.

lol yess

so this season= PrisonBreak?

Alan Dale can do an American accent pretty well, but Widmore last night kept slipping into Dale's native Australian.

Mixed feelings about this, but I remember feeling the same way after the openers in other seasons too.

It was great in parts but can't help they're digging a big hole of boring non island stuff to fill half the series, eg the effort to get Kate/Hurley/Sun to agree to go back. I found myself waiting for the parts back on the island mostly as the other bits are a bit too real world.

Also I have to say Sun's "I want revenge" thing and Sun in general now seems utterly boring. Kill her off asap. I don't want to watch high powered meetings between her and Widmore.

I mean did anyone else just groan when Hurley ran to the police as it's hard to imagine the storyline of him inevitably being broken out of jail/wherever being in any way interesting? Surely it's clear as day they're all going to go back one way or another.

I assume Sawyer/Juliette love interest is on the cards v soon.

also Ana Lucia appearing was so fucking obvious and then "libby says hi" made me cringe!

but yeah I'm not utterly hating, I have faith, the openers are never as big as the finales I guess, takes a while to reset the scene and get the plots developing and intertwining again.

aw libby says hi was great

think I just hate Ana Lucia, haha

tugging max's heartstrings is easy

time travel pedantry--

• if when they move thru time they cant get to their camp anymore, why do their clothes come with them. also why does the zodiac. and the bullet in lockes thigh.

• when faraday talks to desmond why does desmond not remember until 3 years later. it would make more sense if he remembered on pennys boat.

• when desmond sees faraday why doesnt he remember him. from the army or whatever. and then remember him later.

i <3 ana lucia was psyched to hav her back

ana lucia is about a thousand times better than kate and jack and juliet frankly

• if when they move thru time they cant get to their camp anymore, why do their clothes come with them. also why does the zodiac. and the bullet in lockes thigh.

corny

wouldve been lol if they were all naked tho

when desmond sees faraday why doesnt he remember him.

this is the most important point I think. he had really met Daniel (at a REALLY IMPORTANT time in his life in the past) but they treated it like he was meeting him for the first time.

maybe that was desmond traveling back in time

i think thats all going to be waved away with some kind of "desmond is weird" which is fine by me i guess

lol at the end of the recap episode when the producers were all we are glad were entering a phase where we start to answer questions instead of ask them

yes but he's not following his credo to hurley of "whatever benjamin linus says, do the opposite"

I kinda thought Sayid first hated Ben, then worked for him, then at some point (that we haven't seen yet) broke with him and started hating him again

who is Ben's crew at the meat market? we're not supposed to know any of them right

the blonde woman behind the counter looked familiar.

If Libby cares so damn much why doesn't she come back and say hi herself?

FINALLY! downloading this shit took way too long - anyone know of a good t0rr3nt/r4pidsh4re/str3aming site so i can watch this earlier next week?

some thoughts:
1. time church lady = Faraday's mom, right?
2. I was LOL frogurt's wearing a red shirt then BAM fireball to the chest.
3. Ana Lucia was awesome, c'mon.
4. Desmond being special/different sort of explains a bit about "The Constant". Remember when we couldn't figure out whether or not that message "Desmond Hume will be your constant" had always been there or whether it had just appeared in 2004 and why neither Faraday/Desmond remembered each other? i think we know now - Faraday realized he had a new memory when he saw that message, which is how he knew Desmond was special. Des successfully changed the past.
5. Richard Alpert giving Locke the compass - "what item already belongs to you??" - from the dalai lama initiation episode?
6. Kate and Aaron scenes are truly annoying.
7. Miles totally talked to dead boar's ghost.
8. ugh at blatant setting up of Juliet/Sawyer shipping. Jawyer?
9. Time-jumps + ben saying they can never leave once they go back = adam and eve are so jack and kate.

1. time church lady = Faraday's mom, right?

yeah. also the lady who wouldn't sell Des the wedding ring in that one ep.

http://2.music.bigpond-images.com/images/AlbumCoverArt/3/XXL/Shotgun-Willie.jpg

thread needed a shotgun willie

5. Richard Alpert giving Locke the compass - "what item already belongs to you??" - from the dalai lama initiation episode?

aw shit good one

hey also did you guys catch in the catch-up when producers said 'sun thinks her husband is dead'?????

hahaha yeah. lol, spoilers.

instead of saying "and jin is tragically blown to bits" they said something like "and now Sun is torn apart believing her husband died in that blast"

adam and eve are so jack and kate.

― Disco/Very (Roz), Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:27 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yah i just assumed this all along

the important thing on a narrative/character level is that sun *thinks* that jin is dead - it's the thing that drives her to go up against widmore and orchestrate a takeover of her dad's company.

― Disco/Very (Roz), Wednesday, November 12, 2008 1:25 AM (2 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

:D

they speculated that the stuff they had with them when the original flash happened follows them wherever they go through time - so i guess things theyre touching hop through time too? lockes bullet would imply that they can continue to gather things

ya didn't daniel say they had to go somewhere man-made? so if they entered a hatch would the hatch come with them the next time it flashed?

Technically, isn't the camp man-made?

So what's the deal with Alpert then? He isn't affected by the island moving?

x-post didn't Faraday just want to see something man made cos you know, nobody "built" a tree in 1968

he just wanted to go somewhere made made to figure out WHEN they were - prob they have to be touching stuff to take it w/them - ie they were in the boat their clothes were on them

alpert is not affected (meaning he is not transported during the time shifts.) he told locke next time he saw him, he (alpert) wouldn't know who he was.

he wanted to see something manmade just to gauge what time they were in I thought. not that it helped much

So what's the deal with Alpert then? He isn't affected by the island moving?

seemed like none of the Others were affected, in that group only Locke jumped in time

xposts

Alpert's an original inhabitant (like Ethan, Dharma dudes etc.) Seems like the time-jumps only affect Oceanic castaways and freighter ppl. xposts

crazy xposting sorry.

If the island is dislodged from time, why would it disappear?

could be the others that were around when the island went http://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:4bVK-5JPpTGdMM:http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h212/mkalfus/How%2520to%2520Find%2520the%2520Island/IslandDisappears2.jpg are unstuck in time too and locke et al are just running into the past versions of them

desmond is dislodged from time. the island is dislodged from space. the castaways are dislodged from time and space.

in 2007 the island exists, it's just not where it was (near indonesia or wherever) anymore.

this makes it seem like the island is moving in space (jumping all around the ocean), not just time

http://lost.cubit.net/images/index/covers/5x02_dharmaComputer2-thumb-470x264.jpg

relative to the island the castaways arent dislodged in space tho - theyre just riding it around

yeah they're moving with the island, but also with time.

alpert is not affected (meaning he is not transported during the time shifts.) he told locke next time he saw him, he (alpert) wouldn't know who he was.

surely if locke went into the future alpert would know who he was? or why wouldn't he? (unless there's some reason for this that alpert just hasn't explained yet)

alpert is def cosmic

Enjoyed this:

http://www.thehousenextdooronline.com/2009/01/lost-thursdays-season-5-eps-1-and-2.html

i refuse to discuss alpert unless we return to calling him BATMANUEL

BATMANUEL MAYOR OF GOTHAM

My wife and I have a running guyliner or not argument re: Alpert.

i fell asleep during the stupid recap thing and woke up 20 minutes into the first episode. next thing you know, locke is being shot by ethan and time traveling. wtf?. i'm gonna have to watch it on abc's site, later.

lol my grocery delivery came just as the show was starting

Lindelof: When we first saw dailies of Nestor, we said, “We gotta talk to him about the eyeliner situation.” [But] he is completely sans makeup.

wonder where vincent is and if he's time-travelling too. That would be one confused dog.

as far as i'm concerned, bernard, rose, and vincent can fucking die

Vincent was on the beach in the scene where Frogurt bites it.

actually for a second, i thought that the dog that really looked like vincent on the first t-shirt hurley looked at (not the i <3 shih-tzu one) was about to start talking to him.

funny he found a size XXXXXXXXXL shirt in a gas station

where else would you buy a shirt that big

Yeah, the Rose/Bernard stuff from last night is pissing me off. They're changing the way the characters have been written up to this point.

The shirt INSIDE the gas station was not at all the same shirt as OUTSIDE the gas station.

I thought Hurley telling his mother about the island was way over-written too. Okay Hurley is a bit dumb but he's not a 3 year old child, he's not going to be telling an obviously hard to believe story and be all "andthentherewasasmokemonster and then and then and then we pushed a button to save the world" etc etc...

hurley is crazy tho

hurley is lol fat tho

throwin hot pockets

hot pocket shouldve hit ben tho

i thought that scene was more of the writers being meta like "yes we do know that when you put it all together this series is completely batshit insane".

^agreed, it was obviously overlabored for that metajoke factor. But at the same time, I was honestly touched by it, Garcia's performance was one of his best in the series. The character clearly cares so much about his mother, and he knows he's going to tell this story that's totally illogical and impossible when everyone already thinks he's totally crazy - Hurley's giving up this last piece of dignity in a way.

yeah there was definitely an element of meta to that Hurley scene, but I didn't like it. I think sometimes the episodes are flailing all over the place tempowise (esp at this stage of the seasons) and they never know how much of who and what and when to use but I still enjoy Lost a great deal, it's v ambitious to do what they do which I guess explains these failings.

8. ugh at blatant setting up of Juliet/Sawyer shipping. Jawyer?

Su-su-Suliet!
http://blogs.tampabay.com/80s/images/2008/07/02/sussudio.jpg

Also, how awesome was Sawyer slapping Faraday, then telling Charlotte, "Quiet, Ginger, or you're getting one too!" It's like he stepped right out of a Bogart movie for a second.

ARGH the first 2 episodes do not air in Latin America until March 7th.

see you all then...

internet

http://lumaria.8m.com/loststuff/sayidjpg.jpg

internet

― cutty, jueves 22 de enero de 2009 11:51 (1 hour ago) Bookmark

people outside the US cannot watch the stream on abc.go, if anybody has other suggestions please PM me, I am afraid to look at this thread.

Torrents?

torrents.

http://www.mininova.org/search/?search=lost+xvid

torrents (get this)

torrents (then search for lost s05e01. then search for lost s05e02. then burn your home down)

x-post or do that, with bittorrent

DO NOT BE SCARED OF DOWNLOADING TORRENTS

IT IS SO EASY TO INSTALL THE SOFTWARE AND DOWNLOADING FILES IS VERY VERY SAFE

WELCOME TO THE INTERNET

Hey sleeve, I just sent you a link to mgaupload files. Very fast way to go, so long as yr connection is pretty good.

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torrents

what is the spanish word for torrents

los torrents

challops

Also I have to say Sun's "I want revenge" thing and Sun in general now seems utterly boring. Kill her off asap. I don't want to watch high powered meetings between her and Widmore.

Dude you think that all the female characters are boring and should be killed off! Except Juliet, who is like the most boring of all of them. TBH high-powered business-bitch Sun is pretty much the first time she's been interesting in five seasons - I bet she knows all sorts of hidden secret shit now, and we kind of need a Widmore ally to keep the plot moving.

I thought the first episode of this was like OMG WAU! and the second was just pretty good. I like the new format, I can't really see what good flashbacks would do from now on except for freighter dudes and maybe Ben. I liked Daniel's de facto leader status as the only guy who know's what's going on, but the time-jumping could get annoying after a while.

The link between him and Desmond is way cool. Presumably Hatch Desmond didn't recognise Daniel for the same reason Later Island Desmond didn't recognise Daniel despite seeing him at Oxford - weird Constant relationship and all that.

Who were the British guys who amushed Sawyer and Juliet at some point? Dharma dudes?

I love how Richard has picked up Ben's mantle of being comedy condescending to Locke. "What's the compass for?" - "It points North, John."

And most importantly - would smash Ana-Lucia.

Presumably Hatch Desmond didn't recognise Daniel for the same reason Later Island Desmond didn't recognise Daniel despite seeing him at Oxford - weird Constant relationship and all that.

ha ha did i not just say this is going to get waved off as "desmond is weird"

British dudes are probably a Widmore faction from the past, pre-Dharma... I don't think they looked like any of the previous Dharma suits.

Sun being very devious and revenge-motivated is a good development.

And most importantly - would smash Ana-Lucia.

Yessir

sun looked good in the last episode

I love the fact that none of the people off the island have any idea what is up with the people on the island, and none of the people on the island know the six are alive.

I do think it's weird that Sawyer thinks the helicopter went down along with the freighter ... I'd think that he and others would have been able to see it flying away?

i lold when ben asked if jack had inquired to locke regarding the fate of the island and the people on it - of course he didnt u silly man dont u know the island chooses its inhabitants based on their proclivity for not asking really obvious questions

Lostpedia suggests that memory loss among time travelers (such as Desmond and Faraday) could be a course-correction so that their knowledge of the future doesn't prohibitively affect the present.

Dude you think that all the female characters are boring and should be killed off!

well yeah, note to lost, get some good female characters. kate has her moments but to be fair they have practically written all the female characters into these boring roles. kate running around with a kid, sun as completely unconvincing power business woman who actually just is pining for dead husband, juliet just hangin out kissin losties.

the stories/events just don't challenge the male characters in the slightest, eg there is not a single female character involved in the mythology of the island/the others/etc etc.

Except Sun, who appears to have ended up slap bang in the middle of it. The whole mythology of the island seems to be tied up in whatever Ben and Widmore are fighting over. And Claire, probably.

And Penny.

Haha and Charlotte, but yeah whatever.

It's not the same as Ben/Richard/Locke/Hurley/Desmond/Faraday etc etc etc. Men get the magic island powers and women chase their babies/men around the place.

I'm not indicting it from a feminist point of view, I'm a guy, what do I know, it's just quite boring. Why isn't there a woman involved in the actual mythology of the island, DIRECTLY? Why aren't there female characters you want to ask questions about?

Claire is the only one, and she's v v v much in the background.

x-post and Charlotte what?

and Charlotte was born there or whatever, has been there before ... we haven't found out yet

"after you spent all this time trying to get back here"

Charlotte is still very underexposed tho. I assume they're expanding the Charlotte plotline but she's the only one who even has the potential to have a direct role in the whole "the island" element of things. Or the only one who is even vaguely interested in the power/nature of the island.

Like seriously...why do none of the female characters give a damn about the island and all the stuff practically every male character in the show is going bananas about?

Well now there's Ms Hawking, and if she's really Farraday's mom then she's going to play a bigger part

(I know she's only ever had like 5 mins of screentime though)

yeah here's hoping...I just think they've sold short a lot someone like Kate in particular, who used to have good flashbacks and then weird island stuff used to happen to her. at what point did she just become one dimensional action woman with zero personality? and sun, what is her character now? who is she? it's just v unconvincing.

Loved the 1st episode. 2nd nearly as good too. Random thoughts:
- What is happening to Charlotte? Reminded me of Primer (and every other film where nosebleeds=minddeath)
- If Desmond is an exception to the (thankfully clearly laid down) rules about not changing the past etc, that would explain why Grandma Time had to go and make him choose certain paths etc. (Everyone else probably figured this out ages ago).
- The last lightflash timeshift thing ended up with them in the past, right? With Desmond still in the hatch. Wondering where nu-others (handchoppers) fit in here.
- LOVED the scene with Marvin Candle filming the instruction videos!
- LOVED Hurley chucking the hot pocket and wanting a code name and buying a Shih Tzu shirt.
- Ben has is acting like a little schoolboy now he's got the prospect of going back to the island. Quite liked that he stood up for Jack.
- Oh yeah, what about all the dead people on the island like Boone, Nikki + Paolo... presumably they're not walking around being undead?
- My boss drove past a huge billboard saying 'so you think Locke is dead?' or words to that effect. Not best pleased as she still hasn't watched all of Season 4 yet. Still I think we can assume he's holding his breath in there or something?

xpost why do we think /know Ms Hawking is Farraday's mother? My mind is going nuts trying to put everything together...

I'm pretty sure that every character still alive (except Rose/Bernard maybe) is directly involved in the mythology of the island*. But yeah I'd agree that the dudes seem to get most of the mystique. Maybe that's a problem the writers noticed midway through - eg totally changing Sun's position - she's the MD of a company that's linked with the island in some way and there are definitely going to be answers that way. And we know Charlotte's doing something archeologically/Dharma related - she's no Miles or Faraday though, needs weird spooky power.

*Actually Sayid and Sawyer don't really seem to be as yet, their roles seem to be to kill/zing people in ever more inventive ways.

I do hate the interactions between kate and the kid, like someone mentioned above. There's probably some audience demographic that loves that shit though

tons of xposts

Yeah the Kate stuff is dull - I'm presuming she's there to give some shape to the Aaron thing but Claire would be better. I'm mostly basing this on the fact I met a girl who looked like Claire at a party a couple of months ago and damn...

Kids are always boring though - maybe they should use time travel magic to automatically make Aaron like 18.

Speaking of kids, aren't they supposed to take Walt back?

I would love a scene where Ben sneaks up on Kate from behind, and then she turns around and reflexively throws the baby at him.

yeah I agree charlotte (so far) is just a poor character, how little has she developed since being brought in compared to miles and daniel? where are they even going with her? I guess she can still be developed. I dunno, I guess I'm saying they just don't write v good female roles. and they've taken the foot off the gas (long ago) for good characters like sun and kate...

They haven't really done much with Miles yet either and they need to very shortly. He can talk to dead boars!

Yeah they've not done a lot but he's sketched out pretty well, like he actually has a personality.

Actually I think the issue is that Lost is generally amazing at writing mystical/action characters, okay at writing comic characters and a bit dull when it comes to domestic characters. See also - Jack, Michael.

I think Jack is a v good character.

I thought Michael was great!

Is the compass Richard gave to John also one of the items he picked when Richard visited him as a child?

Also the guys that wanted to chop off Juliet's hand - I don't think any of them had a DHARMA symbol of any kind on their jumpsuits.

Does anyone else think the final scene of season 5 is going to be Faraday down in the donkeywheel hole?

I don't think the final scene of Season 5 will focus on a character introduced in Season 4, no.

Also, it was getting a bit ridiculous how every character that came into shot like ever, had to have their head out of view/identity hidden until the last... possible... MOMENT OF TRUTHHH!

- The last lightflash timeshift thing ended up with them in the past, right? With Desmond still in the hatch. Wondering where nu-others (handchoppers) fit in here.

This seems obviously during the Dharma purge; thus there will be no Desmond in the hatch (too early for that), it could possibly be one of Desmond's predecessors, there could be no one in the hatch as well....

The british accents and WWII-era fatigues had me guessing this was probably whenever Widmore found the island -- pre-Dharma, before they "took the island from him" or whatever he told Ben after Ben sneaked into his hotel in season 4.

ooh nice one!

WHOAH! Had to wait a day because of work and torrents, but this was quite the start of a new season! And gawd do I heart Daniel Faraday. He's by far the most intruiging character that was introduced after season 3.

Some questions though, please help me out here if you can:

1. How do we know pendulum lady is Faraday's mother?
2. What was the significance of Charlotte's nose bleed, which scared Faraday quite a bit?
3. Why did Sun call Kate? Why did she want to meet up?
4. Who's butcher Jill and what's her connection with Ben?

@Roz, these are two sites I use to get my Lost fix rather quick after airing:
http://tvfreeload.com/
http://www.xtvi.com/torrents.php

The british accents and WWII-era fatigues had me guessing this was probably whenever Widmore found the island -- pre-Dharma, before they "took the island from him" or whatever he told Ben after Ben sneaked into his hotel in season 4.

LOVING THIS THEORY

Yeah, I got a definite WWII vibe from those guys.

If Locke as a child correctly chooses the compass as something he already owns - why does Alpert pretend like he made the wrong choice?

2. What was the significance of Charlotte's nose bleed, which scared Faraday quite a bit?

iirc, Desmond was having the same problems up until he and Faraday became each other's constant.

1. How do we know pendulum lady is Faraday's mother?
I don't actually think she is, unless Ben teleported to Oxford after he left Jack's company. (Faraday said his mother was at Oxford.)

2. What was the significance of Charlotte's nose bleed, which scared Faraday quite a bit?
See season 4 episode The Constant. Nosebleeds + time travel = yr gonna die soon.

3. Why did Sun call Kate? Why did she want to meet up?
Well they have a bond obv. because of the island. It seems that Sun has gone kind of sinister and just sorta wanted to make Kate feel guilty, as well.

4. Who's butcher Jill and what's her connection with Ben?
My guess here is that, remember at the end of season three Mikhail told the two girls in the underwater station Ben had said they were off doing research in Canada? I think the Others had lots of people spread out in the "real world" doing whatever business it is they do and now THOSE people can't return to the island either, so Ben and Hawking (pendulum lady) are coordinating their efforts to return. Jill's just one of these people.

Yeah it means Charlotte is unstuck in time (I mean even more than the others, S4 style) - maybe we get a Charlotte episode that uses that to illuminate her childhood on the island, with the constant at the end of it.

(Actually with that in mind neither Dan nor Miles need oldskool flashbacks either because Dan is all over the place in time and who knows what Miles's deal is...)

If Locke as a child correctly chooses the compass as something he already owns - why does Alpert pretend like he made the wrong choice?

yeah this is what I was wondering. is it possible Alpert knew he made the right choice but had to abandon John beacuse of this? For some reason we don't know yet?

Thanks Clay, Johnny and Matt DC!

If however the math is Nosebleeds + time travel = dying soon, she should get offed real soon wouldn't she?

3. Why did Sun call Kate? Why did she want to meet up?
Well they have a bond obv. because of the island. It seems that Sun has gone kind of sinister and just sorta wanted to make Kate feel guilty, as well.

I can see that, but would Sun fly all the way over to LA just to make Kate feel guilty? Isn't there any other purpose to her trip? Or am I missing something again?
[Lost can really make me doubt my memory, 's wha it does]

perhaps it's business related? I'm not sure they established it directly. The point is just to throw the Oceanic Six together so they can be easily rounded up, maybe they just assumed nobody would ask why? I'd just go with business related and forget about that plot hole.

Maybe Locke under the plane gets the compass 'before' kid Locke? Dunno, something weird going on there - also the way Ben dodged the question about the worst thing that could happen to Coffin Locke. I can't see them killing Locke off for good with a whole season left to go - there's no way he's ACTUALLY dead. Why hump him around in a coffin for god knows how long otherwise?

(xposts)

After tonight I'm really hoping we'll see Mr. Eko 'alive' again as well!

I thought kid Locke chose the knife, not the compass, and now we know that Alpert was upset that Locke didn't choose the compass as a child.

oh, oops, I guess he took the knife AND the compass?

The fact that the flashback structure seems to be gone makes me hopeful that some of the more annoying plot threads (Kate & Aaron for instance) won't have entire episodes devoted to them. In past seasons the Hurley episode last night would have had a boring flashback where Hugo was forced to make a difficult decision, which would have illuminated his rejection of Ben at the episode's end.

xp iirc, locke first chose the compass, and then the bottle of sand which made alpert pleased but then finally picked the knife as being the definitive item - that upset alpert.

3. Why did Sun call Kate? Why did she want to meet up?

sun's working with widmore now right? maybe she's trying to stop kate (and anybody else) from meeting up with ben? i got the impression it was one big race between widmore and ben to get back to the island, so maybe she figured out ben's plan already and is trying to stop it.

btw, I think sun's always been an interesting character who's been underused before this - her flashbacks tend to show her with a seemingly natural inclination towards deception and self-preservation (the episode with sun as a child framing the maid, constantly doing things behind jin's back, threatening the lady who was blackmailing her about jin's past) - i don't see why she wouldn't be convincing as someone who can be completely ruthless once given enough resources.