Mad Men was pretty great, and I def. like the concept of Malcolm in the Middle's dad as a chem teacher who starts cooking meth.
― Oilyrags, Saturday, 5 January 2008 18:13 (5 years ago) Permalink
I didn't care for Weeds, though. Hmmm...
― Oilyrags, Saturday, 5 January 2008 18:45 (5 years ago) Permalink
http://www.amctv.com/originals/breakingbad/
Got the cold open to the first episode, plus some commercials here.
― Oilyrags, Sunday, 6 January 2008 01:52 (5 years ago) Permalink
First episode def. shows promise.
― Oilyrags, Monday, 21 January 2008 22:11 (5 years ago) Permalink
what it about
― s1ocki, Monday, 21 January 2008 22:12 (5 years ago) Permalink
a high school chemistry teacher who starts making meth on the side, I think. created by Vince Gilligan, of X Files fame.
― horseshoe, Monday, 21 January 2008 22:13 (5 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, that's the one. Apparently it aired Saturday, but I saw it on On-Demand.
― Oilyrags, Monday, 21 January 2008 22:14 (5 years ago) Permalink
sounds like a darker, twisted version of "weeds". curious to see Cranston as a dramatic lead.
― Simon H., Monday, 21 January 2008 22:34 (5 years ago) Permalink
more twisted, I should say
― Simon H., Monday, 21 January 2008 22:35 (5 years ago) Permalink
this show is great !!!
― jhøshea, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 00:17 (5 years ago) Permalink
I like it a lot, too. Shame about the premature ending, though.
― Oilyrags, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 15:22 (5 years ago) Permalink
When does the DVD come out? I got addicted to this show right off the bat, but then my stupid tivo managed to miss episode 3, and they haven't aired it since, and I'm not jumping ahead...
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Monday, 31 March 2008 06:54 (5 years ago) Permalink
renewed!
http://blogs.amctv.com/breaking-bad/2008/05/breaking-bad-season-2-renews.php
― jhøshea, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 15:54 (4 years ago) Permalink
Man, and I finally got cleaned up after the last season.
― Oilyrags, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 21:23 (4 years ago) Permalink
i started watching this on on-demand, really liked the first two eps so far (the language seems to be censored though, wtf amc)
― eman, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 20:54 (4 years ago) Permalink
new season starts tonight
― eman, Monday, 9 March 2009 02:24 (4 years ago) Permalink
I'm finding it harder than ever to not see the brother in law as some kind of tv-jazz riff on Vic Mackey. Esp. when he's sending crime scene photos on his personal cellphone while he cracks jokes.
― Thrills as Cheap as Gas (Oilyrags), Monday, 9 March 2009 04:09 (4 years ago) Permalink
Nice to have something to view on Sunday nights in between "Mad Men" seasons
― Myonga Vön Bontee, Monday, 9 March 2009 21:32 (4 years ago) Permalink
Excellent show. Caught up on Season 1 last night and will be loving my Tivo.
― throwbookatface (skygreenleopard), Tuesday, 10 March 2009 06:32 (4 years ago) Permalink
eps 2&3 hav leakd - luv this show
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 23:33 (4 years ago) Permalink
hey dudes i read somethin abt this in the nyer and it sounded really really bleak. shld i listen to that? or shld i hear that and then move past it
― just sayin, Tuesday, 10 March 2009 23:35 (4 years ago) Permalink
naw its totally fun and hilarious and bleak - a morbid masculine transgressive fantasy more or less
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 00:30 (4 years ago) Permalink
i mean its an absurd show w/occasional real life details just to fuk w/u
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 00:34 (4 years ago) Permalink
like his moustache?
― Thrills as Cheap as Gas (Oilyrags), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 00:39 (4 years ago) Permalink
like his moustache
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 00:41 (4 years ago) Permalink
Does anyone have the leaked files for episodes 2 & 3? I'm trying to download a torrent right now, but it is creeping along veeeeery slowly.
Anyway, I just got turned on to this show & I love it. ..a morbid masculine transgressive fantasy more or less is OTM.
― 2 ears + 1 ❤ (Pillbox), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 01:47 (4 years ago) Permalink
Update: If anyone is interested, I found m3g@upload links here.
― 2 ears + 1 ❤ (Pillbox), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 02:02 (4 years ago) Permalink
o damn i didn't think to look for leaks
― eman, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 03:34 (4 years ago) Permalink
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:30 PM
^ otm
― eman, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 03:35 (4 years ago) Permalink
really well-cast too. the palsy son is great
― eman, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 03:39 (4 years ago) Permalink
otm all around guys
― -:¦:-•(¯'•omg•'¯)•-:¦:- (dan m), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 16:17 (4 years ago) Permalink
EP 2 & 3 SPOILERRRRZ >>>>>>>**************
^^^^
luv the emerging plot of the brother in law unknowingly investigating walter
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 16:24 (4 years ago) Permalink
kind of surprised they didn't try to move on getting him to bust Tuco to save their own asses
― -:¦:-•(¯'•omg•'¯)•-:¦:- (dan m), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 16:26 (4 years ago) Permalink
― 2 ears + 1 ❤ (Pillbox), Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:02 PM
thanks!
― eman, Thursday, 12 March 2009 00:41 (4 years ago) Permalink
oh man tio with the little bell!
― eman, Thursday, 12 March 2009 03:59 (4 years ago) Permalink
wow, a lot happens in the space of one episode.
― Simon H., Thursday, 12 March 2009 04:01 (4 years ago) Permalink
tuco cracks me up when does that "tight-tight-TIGHT"
― eman, Thursday, 12 March 2009 17:26 (4 years ago) Permalink
n e more leaks yet?
― eman, Sunday, 22 March 2009 23:20 (4 years ago) Permalink
naw its prob the typical case where they sent the 1st 3 out to reviewers and well have to just wait for the rest to air - tho there is a torrent on demoniod of the 1st season ripped from dvd that claims to be [UNRATED.UNCUT.NEW.MATERIAL] - might check it out
― ice cr?m, Sunday, 22 March 2009 23:32 (4 years ago) Permalink
Tuco's grandfather is now officially my new favorite television character. That bell = pure genius. And in general, I think that the subtle details and quirks of the characters is the best thing about this show, at once kind of Lynchian and realistic-seeming (which would seem impossible, but they pull it off somehow).
― 2 ears + 1 ❤ (Pillbox), Monday, 23 March 2009 00:47 (4 years ago) Permalink
Tio means uncle.
― Thrills as Cheap as Gas (Oilyrags), Monday, 23 March 2009 00:49 (4 years ago) Permalink
Thank you for the clarification.
― 2 ears + 1 ❤ (Pillbox), Monday, 23 March 2009 02:23 (4 years ago) Permalink
Haha, I know right? What a game-changing revelation that must have been for you!
― Thrills as Cheap as Gas (Oilyrags), Monday, 23 March 2009 12:01 (4 years ago) Permalink
you can see the pitch:
"it's american beauty meets grand theft auto!"
but somehow despite this it is pretty good! and certainly unusual for a tv show
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 22:34 (4 years ago) Permalink
from ep 1 -
"why are you doing this?"
"well - why do you do it?"
"money.. mainly"
"there you go"
"wait wait hold up. this isn't normal. it's weird! if you're crazy, or depressed or something.. i need to know! that affects me!!"
--
this last sentence from "the cap'n" has got me hooked - he's a real character suddenly instead of a stereotype - this show is going to rule
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 15 April 2009 22:43 (4 years ago) Permalink
im at the last ep of the first series and am very impressed by this show.
― FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 22:45 (4 years ago) Permalink
2nd season just gets better and better IMO. This is def my current favorite show.
― SORCEROUSES..roll on stage! (Pillbox), Wednesday, 15 April 2009 22:58 (4 years ago) Permalink
"i thought we were going to coldstone creamery"
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 16 April 2009 00:14 (4 years ago) Permalink
COIN FLIP IS SACRED
the guy who plays the brother in law has his whole thing down cold
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 16 April 2009 00:15 (4 years ago) Permalink
season 2 is next level
― Dr. Phil, Thursday, 16 April 2009 00:43 (4 years ago) Permalink
tuco's burritos looked gross. it was just chopped steak in a tortilla. no pico, no nothin'.
― Duderonomy 1:69-420 (iiiijjjj), Thursday, 16 April 2009 00:44 (4 years ago) Permalink
jesus christ this show!
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 16 April 2009 00:51 (4 years ago) Permalink
s1e03 is an amazing, amazing episode
i have even started feeling for the overbearing mom!
this show has nothing to do with "falling down" at all btw
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 16 April 2009 00:53 (4 years ago) Permalink
even the dickhead brothher-in-law is kind of Good People underneath it all - am i just a huge softie??
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 16 April 2009 00:56 (4 years ago) Permalink
Anybody watch the 'minisodes'? Also, what's a minisode as opposed to a webisode?
― Vincent and Julio Gallo (Oilyrags), Thursday, 16 April 2009 00:57 (4 years ago) Permalink
don't know what those are?
i don't buy it as a masculine transgressive fantasy, at least not through s1e03. all the aggressive types are either idiots or villains or both. so far it seems a lot about families actually.
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 16 April 2009 01:00 (4 years ago) Permalink
^^ MTF is applicable to last season, I believe, but yeah, Dr. Phil OTM, we're on to the next level here.
― SORCEROUSES..roll on stage! (Pillbox), Thursday, 16 April 2009 01:22 (4 years ago) Permalink
o big tracer 3 episodes in an hes an expert
anyway just watched the most recent ep and this shit has gone from dark to dire - still v good - not as much fun tho - enjoyed walt all full of himself for successfully lying to his wifes face while making his ex look bad - btw that was a nice touch that he left her - totally assumed it was the other way
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 16 April 2009 03:33 (4 years ago) Permalink
i am a huge expert on those three episodes and do hereby challenge all comers to an interpretive duel
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 16 April 2009 07:16 (4 years ago) Permalink
I cd go a coldstone creamery right about now
― the most naturally gifted poster of his generation (cozwn), Thursday, 16 April 2009 09:30 (4 years ago) Permalink
i cd go 4 some crank
― SORCEROUSES..roll on stage! (Pillbox), Thursday, 16 April 2009 09:43 (4 years ago) Permalink
Didn't get round to watching this for some time, mostly because the whole "cancer" premise put me off, but after two episodes - it's really good! not sure if i prefer it to mad men, but it's interesting since in the latter the characters are all intrinsically bad heroes whereas in breaking bad they're all good villains.
― the next grozart, Thursday, 16 April 2009 10:05 (4 years ago) Permalink
hmmm compelling thesis
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 16 April 2009 13:19 (4 years ago) Permalink
dea brother in law was on last nites lost
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 16 April 2009 14:21 (4 years ago) Permalink
each of these seasons is actually a miniseries, isn't it.
it's just not called that.
i can't imagine not starting at the beginning.
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 16 April 2009 14:32 (4 years ago) Permalink
no one has yet noted that there will be a season three -
Just four episodes into Breaking Bad's second season, burgeoning cable network AMC has greenlit a third cycle of the award-winning drama series, according to The Hollywood Reporter. The show -- which stars Bryan Cranston as a high school chemistry teacher-turned-drug dealer -- nabbed 1.7 million viewers in its season premiere, a 21 percent increase over the first season's debut and a startling 42 percent bump over the first season's viewership average. Bad was awarded the revered Peabody award just yesterday, and star Cranston took home the Emmy for best actor in a drama series last fall.http://news-briefs.ew.com/2009/04/breaking-bad-am.html
http://news-briefs.ew.com/2009/04/breaking-bad-am.html
― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 18 April 2009 01:30 (4 years ago) Permalink
how does this show differ from 'weeds'?
― Michael B, Saturday, 18 April 2009 14:12 (4 years ago) Permalink
1 - it's an hour
2 - it's not fucking terrible
― Vincent and Julio Gallo (Oilyrags), Saturday, 18 April 2009 14:17 (4 years ago) Permalink
i dunno, i've never seen weeds. everything about this show is terrific. they take a fairly outrageous premise and work through all of its implications, on an almost minute-by-minute basis. there are some vicarious thrills for sure but man, the lead character is having anything but a good time.
― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 18 April 2009 14:29 (4 years ago) Permalink
the thing i like most is how differently you come to see many of the characters - how you get to see all these different sides of them that you hadn't suspected at first, and even reevaluate your own initial reactions to them
― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 18 April 2009 14:31 (4 years ago) Permalink
I've been working on my Jesse voice impression over the last week, mostly in the car. It's coming along pretty well. Basically it's shouting, with some hoarseness, but like you have a mild cold too. The trick is to balance the appropriate proportions of those three key elements.
― Duderonomy 1:69-420 (iiiijjjj), Monday, 20 April 2009 00:33 (4 years ago) Permalink
damn. this episode is violent
― Isiah Dumbass (Dr. Phil), Monday, 20 April 2009 02:48 (4 years ago) Permalink
Haven't we seen the old boobytrapped tortoise baited with a severed head trick a million times before?
― Vincent and Julio Gallo (Oilyrags), Monday, 20 April 2009 02:53 (4 years ago) Permalink
lol?
― Isiah Dumbass (Dr. Phil), Monday, 20 April 2009 03:00 (4 years ago) Permalink
wtf @ bob odenkirk joining the cast !?!
― Isiah Dumbass (Dr. Phil), Monday, 20 April 2009 03:02 (4 years ago) Permalink
That was some quasicronenberg shit right there.
uh, the turtle, not odenkirk
― Vincent and Julio Gallo (Oilyrags), Monday, 20 April 2009 03:03 (4 years ago) Permalink
i guess the song at the beginning was a narcocorrido?
― Isiah Dumbass (Dr. Phil), Monday, 20 April 2009 03:07 (4 years ago) Permalink
from the gilmore girls to jessie's girlfriend. this show is awesome.
― keythkeythkeyth, Monday, 20 April 2009 03:11 (4 years ago) Permalink
omg the narcocorrido was an amzing move - best ep yet - loved how everyone kept repeating crushed his head w/an atm as if it made any sense at all - looking forward to odenkirk
― ice cr?m, Monday, 20 April 2009 18:34 (4 years ago) Permalink
brother in law way over his head is a sweet development - as is delving into the mexican madness - v timely
― ice cr?m, Monday, 20 April 2009 18:35 (4 years ago) Permalink
This show just keeps getting better. It is my current favorite & is threatening to edge into my all-time A-list. The dysfunctional tweaker family was waaaaaaaay too well done. I literally felt compelled to (and did) take a shower after last week's episode. Trejo turtle-bomb was def A+++
― SORCEROUSES..roll on stage! (Pillbox), Monday, 20 April 2009 21:19 (4 years ago) Permalink
"he's not on pot any more"
"oh please! pot and chemotherapy go together like.. like apple pie, and.. and chevrolet!!"
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 21 April 2009 21:29 (4 years ago) Permalink
that last episode (with the narcocorrido and the turtle-bomb) was the first one I've ever seen. my friend convinced me to watch it and tried to give me a quick overview of the plot so far, but... nothing could have prepared me for that.
(I liked it, tho)
― I'm the head soul brother in the US. Where to now? (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 21 April 2009 23:32 (4 years ago) Permalink
almost caught up..
loose ends:
HUGO
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 22 April 2009 18:23 (4 years ago) Permalink
the second cellphone
why hank and marie don't have a kid
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 22 April 2009 18:25 (4 years ago) Permalink
DJ Qualls as a hard-up tweeker, the role he was born to play! Probably could have scratched at his face a little bit more though.
― asplundh tree expert co. (iiiijjjj), Monday, 27 April 2009 02:05 (4 years ago) Permalink
loool odenkirk - great ep
― ice cr?m, Monday, 27 April 2009 13:48 (4 years ago) Permalink
Go get a juicebox!
― Full Metal Slanket (Oilyrags), Monday, 27 April 2009 15:38 (4 years ago) Permalink
his whole shtick is exceptional - i welcome the return of the absurd to breaking bad
― p?nico (ice cr?m), Monday, 27 April 2009 23:14 (4 years ago) Permalink
did this air last night? Can't find torrents.
― Subtlest Fart Joke (Oilyrags), Monday, 4 May 2009 22:56 (4 years ago) Permalink
it did, it was a bit of a comedown after the frantic last three episodes.
― keythkeythkeyth, Tuesday, 5 May 2009 03:55 (4 years ago) Permalink
Fucking Outbreak ad!
― Subtlest Fart Joke (Oilyrags), Monday, 11 May 2009 03:04 (4 years ago) Permalink
O ILx you have sold me a pup with this one. The precise moment it lost me:
"We've analysed the chemical composition of the entire human body, but we're still 2lbs short! What could be missing?""The soul...?"
― Stevie T, Monday, 11 May 2009 13:57 (4 years ago) Permalink
that whole string of flashbacks didn't work for me either; it's confusing and hard to figure its relationship to anything else. i saw it as walt's (cheesy) idealized memory of the kind of life he used to have before he became a dad/chem teacher drone.
that episode is one of the best episodes of tv i've ever seen though, even with the flashbacks.
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 11 May 2009 14:01 (4 years ago) Permalink
whats w/these b&w crime scene opens - stuffed animals body bags in walts drivesway
― ice cr?m, Monday, 11 May 2009 17:02 (4 years ago) Permalink
they're obv leading up to something beeg, i hope it's not a season-ending cliff-hanger but argh you kind of figure it has to be
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 11 May 2009 17:04 (4 years ago) Permalink
well know were getting close once the stuffed animals start showing up
― ice cr?m, Monday, 11 May 2009 17:05 (4 years ago) Permalink
"DLZ" was just too perfect at the end!
― Simon H., Tuesday, 12 May 2009 15:15 (4 years ago) Permalink
so walter is addicted to the rush - luvs the kingpin status
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 12 May 2009 18:33 (4 years ago) Permalink
ya. pretty awesome ending.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 12 May 2009 18:43 (4 years ago) Permalink
"I whipped cancer - what do I have to worry about from some vato gordo?"
― Subtlest Fart Joke (Oilyrags), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 18:45 (4 years ago) Permalink
"Smoking weed, eating Cheetos and masturbating does not constitute having plans"
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 13 May 2009 23:23 (4 years ago) Permalink
walter on his way to make a million dollar deal while is wife goes into labor - how will he fuck this one up
― Get a life you owned motherfuckers. (ice cr?m), Monday, 18 May 2009 22:50 (4 years ago) Permalink
Relapse subplot pretty weak and predictable, esp. the levitating off the bed shot. Esposito is a welcome addition, though!
― Subtlest Fart Joke (Oilyrags), Monday, 18 May 2009 22:54 (4 years ago) Permalink
yeah esposito ownd luv that guy
re relapse: drug addicts tend to be pretty weak and predictable
― Get a life you owned motherfuckers. (ice cr?m), Monday, 18 May 2009 22:56 (4 years ago) Permalink
well, yeah, but what I mean is it seems like they added it in just as a 'drugs are bad mmkay' move.
― Subtlest Fart Joke (Oilyrags), Monday, 18 May 2009 23:02 (4 years ago) Permalink
No one has mentioned that this was renewed for a season 3 have they?
Shows GREAT and getting GREATER imho
― The Macallan 18 Year, Monday, 18 May 2009 23:07 (4 years ago) Permalink
i dunno between espositos advice jesse irresponsible behavior and the fact that walter doesnt really need jesse anymore looks like the drugg plot could be setting up a schism between our two main guys - i predict walter tries to short him
one thing i dont get tho is the $1.2 esposito offered is the same number walter came up with when he was figuring their profit selling it on the street - but theyre wholesaling now so it should be much less
― Get a life you owned motherfuckers. (ice cr?m), Monday, 18 May 2009 23:09 (4 years ago) Permalink
goddamn that was bleak
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 20 May 2009 23:00 (4 years ago) Permalink
o they are really trying to turn us against walter white here
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 01:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://savewalterwhite.com/
― Dr. Phil, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 02:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
Father, Husband & Teacher & Murderous Drug Kingpin
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 02:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
hardly the worst thing he's done tho. perhaps, even, one of the smarter moves.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 04:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
super Tony and Chrissy, tho.
― Subtlest Fart Joke (Oilyrags), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 04:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
― Chubinder, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 05:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
SPOILER!
Also I’m not sure how this isn’t the worst thing Walt has done, he could at least try and morally absolve himself of the other deaths in some way but he’s pretty directly responsible for allowing this to happen. Isn’t it his shaking of Jesse that rolls Jane onto her back in the first place?
Anyone notice the pink stuffed animal at the start?
― Chubinder, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 05:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
well he did straight up chain a guy up in a basement for a couple of days and then straight up choke the guy to death in like episode 3 or 4.
― a short guy with a lot of power (Clay), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 05:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
This is true but dude was gonna try to stab him with the plate shard so there's at least some element of self-defence in there. I suppose there's a similar level of self-preservation going on here but it seems way more sinister.
― Chubinder, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 06:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
*****************
i don't understand why he didn't try to save her
is his thinking supposed to be - if she lives, they continue to get fucked out of their minds on heroin, generally fuck up and get arrested, get questioned about the money, and they roll on him? if so, how in the world does her current DEATH not simply lead to this scenario even quicker?? and all that aside has he simply lost every shred of decency? how in the world can he not attempt to save her from choking to death???
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 09:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
His thinking is she tried to blackmail him once -- she knows his secret now afterall -- what keeps her from blackmailing him again after they inevitably blow through all the money. So: better off dead. And she's corrupting jessie, his surrogate son, so better off dead. But mostly the first part. Operation's cleaner without loose cannons.
― a short guy with a lot of power (Clay), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 09:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
And yes, he's lost every shred of decency. That's his character arc for the season.
― a short guy with a lot of power (Clay), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 09:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
ok yeah that makes a bit more sense - when they have the face-off in the doorway he says "how can i be sure i can trust you?" and she says "i guess you can't" - it sorta zipped by though and i didn't quite put two and two together
i wonder if this marks the moment when him and jesse truly become enemies, even if jesse never learns about walt's role in her death. walt has no need for jesse any more. they've alway kind of hated each other.
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 10:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
but yeah pretty difficult to root for this guy now. the unfulfilled wish that has sustained the whole show is for walt to finally be honest w/his family, or at least his wife. it would provide the ultiamte catharsis, for him and for us. but in this episode, saul's like "what about communication?" and walt is like "communication is OUT!" .. when he shows the money to his new daughter, it's like yep - this is as close as walt will ever come to being honest. it's profoundly depressing.
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 10:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
Yeah it's like the tony soprano is so awful but I can't help rooting for the guy phenomenon taken to an even uglier place. But they've done it so organically (i.e. How the morally ambiguous walt that killed a dealer in season one partly from self-preservation instincts is so unrecognizable now, he's a different person, but it's almost concscious -- he likes himself better this way) that it's really admirable as storytelling.
― a short guy with a lot of power (Clay), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 10:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
It's weird that for all that, Ted and Skyler still make my skin crawl and I hear myself going "Dont do it Skyler!" as if I'm worried about Walt, and then have to wonder why. But then it's pretty much the same reaction as "Shit Walt, save her... oh", I like that he still has hand over his mouth as if he's slightly aghast at this "accident" he caused, that it's just another thing gone horribly wrong, yet you cant really buy that anymore.
This show really is so relentless in the shit it puts it's characters through (although "you're gonna build a robot?!" was pretty great), I find it quite hard to take. I probably shouldnt have watched 12 episodes over the Bank Holiday then...
― Suedey 2, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 10:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
oh see i love skyler now. i mean yeah she has her annoying tics but she's been way more patient w/walt than he deserves. the second cellphone thing - i mean he totally lied about it and she got pissed but then she never brought it up again, and has continued to be supportive and thoughtful (even if she is getting some on the side with lame-o ted). at this point i want skyler to take the fuck off with "flynn" and new baby and leave walt to stew in his own fucking juices.
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 11:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
No yeah, this show is relentless. And mostly with the characters we're meant to identify with, even if they're the most corrupt characters on the show.
― a short guy with a lot of power (Clay), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 11:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
i feel for jesse so fucking hard.
the thing with him and his girlfriend has flipped so quickly - at first he was the bad influence and she was the ray of light, the possible window into a better, healthier life. within two episodes she became a black hole of bad news.
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 11:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
Jesse always seems to get the worst of it, yeah. See that episode where he loses his place and has to break into the tow yard the van is parked in and just thing after thing goes wrong in increasingly worse ways. They almost use his misery for comic relief but then you're forced to identify with him as a character as real as the rest of them and it's like aw jeez, this guy is just getting the blunt end of every event.
― a short guy with a lot of power (Clay), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 11:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
it's kind of killing me that we have to wait a whole week for the finale
and then a whole nine months or whatever for the next (and final) series
i was impressed that they used a real newborn baby in the show.. she couldn't have been more than a few weeks old, anyway; by the way walt's excuse about not finding the size 0 diapers was indeed well-played - it is a v common problem
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 11:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
skyler's sister was hilar - when sky needs to breastfeed during lunch and hank's all "gross - not whil we're eating!" she says "hank, you're so... PROVINCIAL"
they live in an arizona suburb
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 11:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
interesting that hank comes back with los pollos hermanos - it could be a coincidence of course but maybe not - he might have just gone and busted walt's buyer, mr. careful (although he'd probably be crowing about it if so)
i sure hope walt went and picked up his car's spare tire, at least
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 11:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
Oh, I agree with pretty much everything you say RE: Skyler above, Tracer! It's just kind of funny how expectations get played with and how sympathies still lie with the original protagonist before you realise you're not so certain about that anymore. I know that's been brewing for a while, but he does the whole put upon, 'why is all this happening to me' routine so well. Because yeah, rationally, Skyler should get the hell away from him. It's a pity she can't come up with a rationale to do so, because she'd never be able leave him while he has cancer (although that's come close to stretching point, Im sure).
Jesse is a sorry story (I was so pleased for him when 'Apology Girl' was slipped under his door, cos I really thought they were done for) but he has himself to blame for most of it. She didnt need much urging to go and score some heroin, mind you. But mainly that was down to Jesse being depressed about one of his guys getting taken down, I was just thinking the whole time how he had one guy out on the corner all on his own, with just one gun! Srsly, I know they're supposed to be rubbish drug dealers, but if they just watched the Wire or something.
Argh, I can hardly get over how relentless it is though, the whole thing with Jesse getting kicked out, getting stuck in the middle of nowhere in the mobile home. The grinding ineptitude and unnecessary situations that crop up. The episode with Jesse trying to dish out 'justice' with the two old druggies and the little boy where you just keep thinking "Just leave man, leave!"
― Suedey 2, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 12:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
im thinking walts arc isnt from decency to total deprivation but rather from fear to aggression - the show i think is saying that the appearance of virtue when its based on social fear is not virtue at all - its testing this theory by putting walt under tremendous stress and simultaneously liberating him from his psychological constraints
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 12:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
jesses girl was obv never a nice person - walk was absolutely right that she was v dangerous to him and jesse - still completely unconscionable behavior
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 12:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
its funny her and walt and skylars sister and the lawyer are all these little domestic gangsters and jesse the one guy w/real experience on the street is just totally not cut out for the shit
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 12:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
don't forget tax cheat ted and cuban cigar aficionado hank
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 12:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
It's just kind of funny how expectations get played with and how sympathies still lie with the original protagonist before you realise you're not so certain about that anymore
yeah. but i finally think i reached my limit. it seems impossible for walt to ever come all the way back. this was the episode where it became totally clear that walt has lost sight of his original vision, which was a generous one. he's not now satisfied with taking care of his family. saul suggests they invent an anonymous benefactor or a long-lost uncle. walt says no. it has become about something else - about walt proving something to himself. he's an underachiever and wants to prove to the world - publicly - that he's a real bonafide badass who can take care of his family himself. the only problem is that the bonafide badass part and the taking care of his family part are sort of not playing nicely with each other.
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 12:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
It's a really nasty strain of pride, through and through.
― a short guy with a lot of power (Clay), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 12:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
based on all that b&w stuffed animal foreshadowing were headed for the nastiest episode yet
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 12:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
does jesse go after walt and his family - who else could it be
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 12:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
- jane's dad comes by the house, jesse's still asleep- jane's dad finds her dead. goes absolutely mental. gets jesse to tell him "everything", which includes walt and where walt lives- jane's dad drives to walt's house and er.. blows up house with a chemical bomb or something? hmmm
i never figured out why the dudes in the flash-forwards are wearing hazmat suits
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 12:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
let's face it, there are quite a few people who wouldn't mind seeing walter white suffer right now
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 12:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, May 26, 2009 8:47 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah thats a good question - maybe the cooking rv is involved somehow and they get spooked by all the chemistry gear
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 12:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
i have to think that whoever comes after walt its them in the body bags
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 12:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah he has been pretty adept at dispatching his rivals. when jane starts fucking with him i was thinking "girl you really do not want to be pissing this guy off."
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 12:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah she was not the most clueful - typical junkie - head full of foolish dreams and terrible plans
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 12:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
Let's go to New Zealand!
― Suedey 2, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 13:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
(I know that was Jesse, it was just funny)
Also, could the flash forwards be to the *very* end of the show? I mean no matter what I imagine the whole thing ending badly.
I kind of hope that Jesse just thinks it was an accident - he never actually woke up and saw Walt there, did he?
― Suedey 2, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 13:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
it's the middle of the night, he won't wake up until jane's dad comes by to take her to rehab
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 13:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
Suedey yeah it could be
would be a nifty "gotcha" to have someone give the newborn the pink plush doll as a present
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 13:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
and then like bam, season over
Tracer otm about this being the tipping point with Walt’s lust for power and purpose and there's nothing to really halt the free fall from here except complete destruction. The close up at the end is pretty remarkable for showing all that in a few seconds. And all of it coming after the genuine affection for Jesse that brings him back to his home in the first place.
Surely the flash-forwards have to involve Gus somehow. For a show so concerned with process it’s strange that we didn’t even see the exchange between the two and that pink plushy thing at the start couldn’t have been placed there unintentionally.
Also I totally thought Walt was going to smother Jesse in that last scene a la Tony and Christopher. I am not looking forward to more Jesse misery when the dad shows up in the morning.
― Chubinder, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
i agree with ice cr?m. he's not become a bad person so much as he's just sick of rolling over and taking crap from people.
his very first instinct with jane was to rush over and save her from choking. you see him dart over going "oh no no no" and *then* he pauses - you can practically see the gears in his head turning. i'm pretty sure he had no idea how dangerous it was for her to be on her back in the first place, that was completely unintentional. but why should he save her at that point? thanklessly save her life so she can slowly kill Jess with heroin, blackmail him again when they burn through the cash and possibly destroy his family?
personally i think he was at his worst when he handed Jesse the gun and told him to "take care" of that problem earlier in the season. he did eventually come around - but by that point it was to late.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
also - i think haz-mat suits are standard procedure for dealing with any drug lab situation.
also, also - Q!!!
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 15:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
but why should he save her at that point? thanklessly save her life so she can slowly kill Jess with heroin, blackmail him again when they burn through the cash and possibly destroy his family?
well i mean right, but for those to be the thoughts that go through your head when someone is dying in front of your eyes means that you are way gone, daddy-o
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 16:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
it wasn't his *first* thought tho. with the junkie that ripped them off he was immediately telling Jess to go bury the guy!
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 16:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
compelling that this is all basically a freak out abt confronting his own mortality - and he is not dealing well
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 16:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
I don't know about him saying go bury the guy i thought that was just what Jesse takes him to mean. I'm pretty sure Walt is horrified when he thinks Jesse actually went and killed them as opposed to just intimidating or roughing them up
― Chubinder, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 16:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
no walt was def all do what u have to - murder was on the table if not specified - he felt somewhat unresponsible for the outcome cause it was jesses job to take care of that end
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 16:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
Yeah i just went back and watched it and i guess it is ambiguously there, but his reaction when he thinks he actually killed them seems pretty genuine and seems to feel responsible in that moment or maybe that's just a way of absolving himself of the responsibility, but then i dont see why he would need to do that with Jesse. If he meant for Jesse to kill them and he went and killed them wouldn't he be all 'alright well done'?
― Chubinder, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 16:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah he had a moment of insight there abt how fucked up he was behaving - but then he just totally backslid
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 16:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
hes totally confused abt his worldview and role - basically just a 2/47 freak out - fixing the house manically letting the girl die trying to save jesse etc
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 16:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
it's pretty interesting how different my reactions were between the husband of the scabby skank's death and this cute middle-class heroin addict's death
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 16:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
I suppose there is an equivalence in terms of allowing both to happen to prevent some sort of possible, but not certain, future threat.
― Chubinder, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 16:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
ha yeah thats a really good point tracer - this show be fuckin w/us
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 16:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
ya, good point!
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 16:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
pretty sure he had no idea how dangerous it was for her to be on her back in the first place, that was completely unintentional
actually doesn't he turn his OWN newborn daughter onto her side in this same episode, to keep her from spitting up??
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 16:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
i mean to keep her from choking?
i'm not sure - but either way i don't think he's going to be aware of the dangers of someone puking to death in the midst of a heroin coma. it's a far cry from taking care of a newborn.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 16:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
or, at least on the surface it would seem to be.
yah since the point a few episodes back when walt and jesse were stuck in the middle of nowhere and walt was lying in the rv moaning abt how he deserved this terrible death thinking even if he didnt die of dehydration then he would die of cancer eating his lungs but then hes not dying hes getting better - feel like he feels unmoored and capable of anything now denied the absolution he tht he was getting
like i can see tracer's point abt not being able to ever come all the way back to being a moral human - dont think walt ever tht hed have 2 make the attempt
― Lamp, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 16:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
I think cute heroin addict does it to jesse too earlier on. And Walt knows everything about everything! But yeah it is completely unintentional, i dont think he notices she's on her back until she starts choking but he still causes it inadvertently i guess which doesnt really prove anything except being a convenient way to get her on her back and start choking but he at least causes her death just by being there as much as he does by not doing anything to stop it. (xpost)
― Chubinder, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
And he was only there out of affection for Jesse so yeah i guess that's more confusion about his worldview. The last shot seems to be an end to that confusion though.
― Chubinder, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 17:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
the next (and final) series
Gonna need a source on this, as I've read a lot about this show and have never heard such a thing.
The thing about that final shot to me is that Walt is aware of what he's becoming in that moment. Literally watching his humanity slip away but the "Heisenberg" part of him won't let him save her. Awesome work by Cranston. The question now is, will he slip away and let Jesse deal with the fallout, or will he use it to tie Jesse to him, somehow?
― Jouster, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 20:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
Yeah I'm wrong - I read something about how the creator wanted "50 episodes" so that would mean 7 + 13 + 13 + 13 = 46. Plus a four-part miniseries! Or something.
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 20:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
he prob just want 13x4 but the writers strike fucked it up
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 20:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
i dunno - he hardly has a use for Jesse anymore. if he really is more Heisenberg than Walt he's gonna be trimming the fat!
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 20:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
> he hardly has a use for Jesse anymore
Absolutely. I figured Walt was just going to freeze Jesse out completely since he cooks the meth and makes the deal and that was going to be the source of new conflict between them. Also that Esposito would insist on ditching Jesse as a condition of doing business with Walt.
― Subtlest Fart Joke (Oilyrags), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 20:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
Walt makes meth. Meth is a drug. Jane died from a drug overdose. Walt let this happen. Walt makes drugs that let this happen to Many people, and he's been doing this for a while now. Focusing on Jane choking on her vomit and not thinking about all the people who are buying and using what Walt made is pretty damn ignorant. This show is not only about the characters onscreen; it's about everyone else in New Mexico that will be negatively affected by Walt's chemistry. It's a choice the dude made in Episode One. Why are so many of you saying that Walt is "suddenly evil now", and going ballistic like this is the character's first extreme immoral act. He's been doing the best for himself and letting people die ever since he made the decision to make the meth. I just don't understand how the death of Jane would somehow suddenly "open your eyes" on Walt's selfishness, especially when you're threatening to stop watching this great show because of this. The show is called BREAKING BAD. The writers are doing an awesome job. Are you not Enthralled by this epic piece of entertainment? If you're not, then why are you watching it, why are you here...etc... And DON'T say "because Walt killed Jane". The meth he makes is destroying the lives of many. If you loathe Walt because of Jane, and not because of Anything that occurred before this, perhaps you should examine your own definition of morality, because your judgement on Walt is rather delayed.
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 23:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
rumbled
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 23:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
re making jesse useful again, walt will prob be all fucked up after having his lung removed or whatever and he'll have to rely on jesse to cook
― wilter, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 23:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
Are you not Enthralled by this epic piece of entertainment?
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 23:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
: )
― wilter, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 23:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'm a couple episodes behind but man I love Jesse for some reason. I just saw the dead-battery-in-the-desert episode and think the actor and character are really good. Mostly because I think it's great to see someone on television who isn't really that smart, or talented, and is kind of sketchy and messed up but think they're badasses. I see a lot of guys like this around and knew dudes like this in high school but they never seem to be represented to the degree that they exist.
― joygoat, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 05:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
i am enthralled by this epic piece of entertainment and i will be super sad if jesse is written out - hes a deep character def - everything abt him is so otm - the scene when hes showing his girl his drawings was omg too real
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 15:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
"c'mon when i drew those i was just a kid... that was like four whole years ago"
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 15:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
a friend of mine grew up in a town where a kid his same age had the same name as him - the other kid was a total fuck up causing my friend all sorts of trouble trying to get video store memberships and the like - when he saw jesse on breaking bad he freaked out like omg thats him thats the other g--e h-----s exactly
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 15:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
I just saw the dead-battery-in-the-desert episode and think the actor and character are really good.
yah i really like that episode so many great little moments haha walt gets so pedagogical thinks he really got thru then jesse is like "a wire!" oh man walts face.
fact: i cringe less @ jesse than i do @ walt despite everything
― Lamp, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 17:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
just got AMC yesterday; just added this to tivo list.
― im drunk so no forks (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 27 May 2009 17:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
only one more episode, yo :(
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 18:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
episodes are on demand tho - how i caught up
― Lamp, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 18:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
ah
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 27 May 2009 18:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
So Walt's newborn baby didn't die in meth-related explosion after all. Well played, black and white foreshadowing openers.
― your son rip is on line toot (iiiijjjj), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 02:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
scene with Walt & Jessy at the crack house A++scene of Skyler leaving Walt A-the conclusion of b&w foreshadowing F
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 02:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
scene of Skyler leaving Walt A-
this scene featured some of the weirdest acting/directing choices i've seen in awhile. Why was skylar like, moving in close, whispering, etc. playing leaving someone that she thinks is possibly dangerous and has betrayed her in a fairly elaborate way as a seduction scene was pretty o_O and frankly pulled me out of the scene altogether.
― a short guy with a lot of power (Clay), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 03:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
ya - that was def strange. but i guess she'd been holding all that in for a while by that point.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 03:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
i guess yeah it's sort of an intimate version of "gotcha", but it still felt pretty far off to me, emotionally.
― a short guy with a lot of power (Clay), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 03:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
I give the conclusion a C-. I would give it an A if they hadn't played it as uber-creepy as they have - b&w, atmospheric music, etc etc. I like the whole chain reaction thing of it, though - Walt's actions leading to this plane crash in a roundabout way.
― Jouster, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 03:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
very roundabout.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 04:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
Well, yeah.
― Jouster, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 04:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
i loved it when skyler moved in close - you're right Clay, it was freaky but also threatening, which i think skyler was playing with - this feeling if finally having some power, of being in control, of refusing to just accept and go along
it also mirrored their level of honesty with each other - this is as close to the truth as they've had between each other for quite some time
yes the ending was a crazy coincidence but it felt to me like a metaphor for all the anonymous druggie victims of walt's cooking; the show can't exactly go around to every drug den and show up close the effects - this was a displacement of that, a substitute for it
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 12:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
no one watches this show!!!!the young man on it looks hepatitic!
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― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 13:38 (3 years ago) Permalink
the hell is that from?!
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 14:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
sad dad at his air traffic work stations voice barely cracking was super excellent acting - plane crash bait and switch was kinda lame but kinda awesome for its over the topness
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 14:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
sort of disappointed skylar didnt take walt up on his offer of the truth
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 14:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
he'd be fucked if he did that. he'd probably never see his kids again.i sort of wanted to see what would happen tho if he told her. they've made us think a few times now that he was gonna do it.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 15:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
it's too late for that - way too late
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 15:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
it wouldve been pretty hilarious just to hear him recount the plot of the show - so we got this rv and went out to the desert... got kidnapped by a seriously tweaking dealer who i had previously tried to blow up w/fake meth... met a kingpin in a chicken place... killed a cute girl w/her own puke... u get the picture
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 15:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://sepinwall.blogspot.com/2009/05/breaking-bad-vince-gilligan-post.html
― am0n, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 15:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
a friend of mine says that has s3 spoilers^
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 15:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
but i really want to read it o jeez
i read it, there are no S3 spoilers
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 15:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
the only thing he really mentions is that gus thinks 20 steps ahead, which we already knew
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 15:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
some vague talk of what will happen in s3e01 but it couldnt really spoil anything
― magic, i guess. i guess it has something to do with my magic (Lamp), Tuesday, 2 June 2009 15:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
this is think is prob what he was talking abt - its not exactly a spoiler but it does point to where they ultimately want to go w/walt^^^^^^^^^^SPOLIAH?^^^^^^^^^^
And is it also a safe assumption that you're not going to kill off your leading man midway through the series by dropping an airplane on him?
We're back in the writers' room now, plotting out season three. I don't think it's too much of a spoiler to say Walt is front and center, as always. The way I see it, if a jet engine fell on his head and crushed him, he'd be getting off too easy. He's not getting off nearly that easy.
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
well i didn't exactly think walt was going to make it to st croix with his millions and his forgiving family
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
yah but the writers have it in for him dont u see - f'n jerkfaces
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 16:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
I didn't mind the Walt vs. Skylar confrontation - she'd done her homework and knew he was up to something but obviously wasn't going to hurt her, so she was taunting him a bit. Also cause it reminded me of Oran "Juice" Jones calling out his woman in "The Rain".
― joygoat, Tuesday, 2 June 2009 17:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
Somebody's just pointed out to me the names of the episodes that had the pink teddy intro. "737" "Down" "Over" "ABQ".
― 88, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 16:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
ya, he talks about that in the link earlier.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Wednesday, 3 June 2009 16:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
― am0n, Friday, 12 June 2009 15:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
not reading the whole thread but just wanted to say this show is fucking great and i'm abt to start season 2.
― Roz, Friday, 12 June 2009 15:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'm not going near this thread yet for spoiler reasons, but the girl and I watched the entire first season in about a week and are now starting season two. This show is so clever and honest and PENSIVE; it's a real treat to see violence and fear given real people responsiveness as opposed to "oh dead body, hm, bummer" there's lasting repercussions.Total winner; very happy I got into it.
― (pronounced /ˈfɑrv/sklOf/tO/fewˈ/) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 17 June 2009 16:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
Yeah this show is so damn good.
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 17 June 2009 16:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
For all the crazy shit that happens in it, it's not very escapist. I think it will resonate with anyone who has decided, for one reason or another, to keep a part of themselves hidden from their loved ones. Or with anyone who has a loved one who does this. Which can be a pretty discomfiting thing to dwell on.
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 17 June 2009 16:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
Just knocked 'Rescue Me' out of the box as my fave current tv drama; Rescue is more of a soap as opposed the the weirdly real flavor of Breaking Bad
― (pronounced /ˈfɑrv/sklOf/tO/fewˈ/) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 17 June 2009 16:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
I've watched the first three episodes over the last couple of days, and it's great fun, very sharp and enjoyable. Reminds me a bit of Carl Hiaasen.
― chap, Tuesday, 13 October 2009 23:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
When's season three start?
― "Keep Tweeting", Raged Roger The Kindly Hippopotamus. (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 23:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
spring
― Cousin Larry Soetoro (jeff), Tuesday, 13 October 2009 23:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
LOVE this show.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 13 October 2009 23:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
rulez
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 14 October 2009 02:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
On S2 now. Fucking hell this is good.
― chap, Friday, 16 October 2009 00:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
It's really spectacular.
― "Keep Tweeting", Raged Roger The Kindly Hippopotamus. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 16 October 2009 04:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
Carl Hiaasen
Yeah! Or Elmore Leonard.
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 16 October 2009 09:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
I tried to pace myself, but have now watched all twenty episodes. In like five days. Have to wait now. Dammit.
― chap, Friday, 16 October 2009 17:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
It may have darted into my all-time top ten list with alarming speed. Of the decade, at least. Or that could just be the meth talking.
― chap, Friday, 16 October 2009 17:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
― ♖♘♗♔♕♗♘♖ (am0n), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 01:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
Can't wait!!!
― Jeff, Wednesday, 30 December 2009 01:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
Me neither. If it's even half as good as S2 I'll be a happy boy.
― Communi-Bear Silo State (chap), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 01:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
*hugglez*
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 30 December 2009 01:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
is jesse not one of the most culturally accurately rendered screen characters ever - u know this guy - his ways of are those of a real person right now
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 30 December 2009 01:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
i'm okay with constant anticipatory posts of this picture until march 8
― lazy cold meat and chocolate seasonal mentality (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 03:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
like the dragon on jesses shirt quite a bit
― AAAAAAH YAH ITS FUSION (Lamp), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 03:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
― ♖♘♗♔♕♗♘♖ (am0n), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 05:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
― ♖♘♗♔♕♗♘♖ (am0n), Wednesday, 30 December 2009 05:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
Just finished watching seasons one and two in a three-day binge. This show is fucking FANTASTIC - Bryan Cranston is delivering a Gandolfini-level performance here.
Can't wait for 8th March. How come Skyler's still pregnant in those promo images, though...?
― mister_thoth, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 19:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
pillow
― just ignore whatever forks is doing and you should be ok (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 19:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
sneaky
― mister_thoth, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 19:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
it's been a month since I finished season 2, and I still can't decide if the final episode was really great or shark jumping terrible.
― richie aprile (rockapads), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 19:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
I think I liked the plane crash as a metaphor for all the horrible things Walt had been doing literally crashing down on him. I'd have liked it more, though, if it wasn't for all those portentous B&W flash-forwards in the cold opens - the shot of what appeared to be Walt's glasses being put in an evidence bag in one of the earlier episodes really set up the idea of something physically horrible happening to him and having it turn out instead to be deliberate misdirection was a bit of a low blow, tbh.
― mister_thoth, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 20:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
I can imagine people thinking that about the air crash stuff, though I thought it was fine. Everything else was spot on, surely? Skylar confronting him was absolutely nerve-wracking.
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― BTW, I'm frightfully middle-class (chap), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 20:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
The whole crash thing literal metaphor thing felt grandiose on a season six Sopranos level. Seemed out of character for a show that has been so gritty and real up until that point. I really did feel conned afterward, too. I think I said out loud, "that's it?" The crash itself was an intense spectacle - the sound of the explosion was amazing and seriously eerie. I think it made the hair on my neck stand up a little. The scene was so well done, it almost made up for what I didn't like about it.
I wonder... do they spend a lot of time on showing the fallout in season 3, or do they go forward with the plot like it never happened? Like, if somehow the crash raining down corpses on their house is a catalyst for getting them back together, does that ruin the whole point of the metaphor?
― richie aprile (rockapads), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 20:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
I have to say, I think I'll be really disappointed if it ends up being some kind of raining frogs Magnolia plot catalyst.
― richie aprile (rockapads), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 20:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
xp - The whole series has been nerve-wracking! I don't think I've ever been so tense watching a TV show. It does an extraordinary job of ratcheting up the stakes with every episode.
There's always a really visceral sense of the walls closing in around Walt - even pulling off the ostensibly life-changing $1.2m deal was a defeat for him. His comment to Saul about always taking one step forward, two steps back was painfully OTM.
The explosion is a bit of a heavy-handed metaphor, but I actually think it works in the context of the show - it's not that much more out-of-the-ordinary than an exploding tortoise, is it?
The problem I had with it was the sneakiness of the previous shot of Walt's glasses in the evidence bag. Just seemed a bit... cheap to have that mean nothing in the end.
― mister_thoth, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 20:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
I absolutely agree that realism isn't one of the show's primary aims - it's a morality tale.
I think the thing that impressed me most about the storytelling was the way every little incident had some kind of affect on the overall unfolding of the story - the number of small story elements that came together to culminate in Jane's death is an example. I think the only other season of television I've seen that was as tightly plotted is S4 of The Wire.
― BTW, I'm frightfully middle-class (chap), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 20:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
I loved Jane btw...I would get addicted to heroin for her anytime.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 20:38 (3 years ago) Permalink
xp - Yeah, it is very well put-together in that sense. The explosion itself is part of that attention to detail, too - you can trace everything that led to it back to Walt's own actions.
Speaking of small details, I'm almost convinced the spare tyre that Walt threw out of the back of his car while rushing to get to the hospital to see his daughter will come back to haunt him in a future episode. The way it was shot - with the wheel bouncing towards the camera - did seem like a setup for something...
― mister_thoth, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 20:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
meeting jane's dad at the bar was a bit of a stupid forced coincidence imo
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 20:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
I was willing to buy the coincidence because it established a nice bit of insight into Walt's relationship with Jesse - he'd never admitted feeling anything like a sense of familial responsibility for Jesse before, had he? - and set up Walt's return to Jesse's house.
If anything, I thought the one thing in that episode which was a bit awkward was the setup of the VITAL IMPORTANCE of turning both junkies and babies on their sides when they sleep - it telegraphed Jane's demise a bit too much. When it did arrive, though, the scene was fucking horrific - easily the worst thing to have happened on a show filled with unpleasant actions. Cranston's performance in that scene was great - he's so, so good at telling a story without speaking.
― mister_thoth, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 20:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
I could believe it too, Alberquerque's not huge, is it? It was also a very dark bit of irony that Walt wouldn't have gone back (and Jane wouldn't have died) if not for that meeting.
― BTW, I'm frightfully middle-class (chap), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 20:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'm assuming the bar was close to Jesse's house, too, so I guess it's entirely possible both of them would have gone there at the same time.
― mister_thoth, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 21:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah it ties things up nicely but like...it was a pretty big narrative tool
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 21:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
― mister_thoth, Tuesday, January 19, 2010 2:19 PM
thats a promo ad from season 2
― ♖♕♖ (am0n), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 21:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
There's quite a few things like that though... It's like the major characters behave realistically, but the world around them doesn't necessarily, and I'm cool with that.
― BTW, I'm frightfully middle-class (chap), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 21:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
― ♖♕♖ (am0n), Tuesday, 19 January 2010 21:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
Am I the only one who thought Walt's post-op goatee made him look distressingly similar to the latter-day Paul Gadd?
― mister_thoth, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 21:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
lol
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 21:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
the thing about rolling babies on their side so that they don't choke on their own vomit hendrix style was weird - you don't actually do that! i mean, i dunno. i guess some people do.
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 19 January 2010 21:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
Oh man, those teasers tease.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 20 January 2010 02:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
calmly walking away from explosions
― ♖♕♖ (am0n), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 05:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
SEMI-SPOILER I read an interview recently with the show creator where he pretty much said the plane crash will be addressed in season 3.
― Jouster, Thursday, 21 January 2010 01:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
Been rewatching a bit of S2. Crantson's been getting all the plaudits, but Aaron Paul really is just as impressive. He's gonna be big, I reckon.
― BTW, I'm frightfully middle-class (chap), Sunday, 24 January 2010 18:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
he's even good in his small role in Big Love
― richie aprile (rockapads), Sunday, 24 January 2010 18:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
Good to the point where it took me forever to realize that it was the same actor in both roles.
― SNEEZED GOING DOWN STEPS, PAIN WHEN PUTTING SOCKS ON (Deric W. Haircare), Sunday, 24 January 2010 19:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
same here
― richie aprile (rockapads), Sunday, 24 January 2010 19:38 (3 years ago) Permalink
He did get an Emmy nomination, so he isn't going entirely unrecognized. Should've won though, of course.
― Jouster, Sunday, 24 January 2010 22:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
March 21st
― ♖♕♖ (am0n), Sunday, 7 February 2010 00:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
Guys! I got to see the season premiere and it was excellent.
― Jouster, Thursday, 11 March 2010 08:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
jealous
excited
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 11 March 2010 12:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
i don't watch this show (though i may have to start), but i just found out that the guy who played "badger" is my neighbor.
― robotsinlove, Thursday, 11 March 2010 14:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
haha that guy is awesome. i get the feeling he didn't have to do a ton of research for his character.
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 11 March 2010 14:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
ha ha!
when does it air??
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Thursday, 11 March 2010 14:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
― ♖♕♖ (am0n), Sunday, 7 February 2010 00:29 (1 month ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 11 March 2010 15:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
hey whuddya know.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Thursday, 11 March 2010 15:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
I would imagine that badger dude has to have some decent money in light of the fact that he was in every single commercial on tv for like 6 months. I hope he saved some of it.
― mayor jingleberries, Thursday, 11 March 2010 17:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
^^^ badger's dad
― fuckin' (jeff), Thursday, 11 March 2010 18:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah i saw an ad last night w/ him. can't remember what it was for though
― king willie style (will), Thursday, 11 March 2010 18:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
his weird voice will carry him far...
― robotsinlove, Thursday, 11 March 2010 18:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
― am0n, Friday, June 12, 2009 11:05 AM (8 months ago)
― am0n, Thursday, 11 March 2010 18:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
― am0n, Thursday, 11 March 2010 18:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
lol i've not seen either of those!
― king willie style (will), Thursday, 11 March 2010 18:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
i think he was a delivery guy on community
― am0n, Thursday, 11 March 2010 18:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
lol Badger is hilarious.
― Man or Austro-Hungarian? (Pillbox), Thursday, 11 March 2010 18:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
Also a pizza guy on How I Met Your Mother.
― Jouster, Thursday, 11 March 2010 18:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
I just watch every episode in like a week. It's pretty darn good despite drug dealers saying fuck a lot less than I would have suspected.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 March 2010 03:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
i watched the "director's cut" of the first seaason and it's full of swearing iirc
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 12 March 2010 10:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
wait, I am confused... does AMC censor this or something?
― richie aprile (rockapads), Friday, 12 March 2010 17:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah, no "shit" or "fuck".they just leave blank air generally.
― forksclovetofu, Friday, 12 March 2010 20:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
I will say though that I thought the long foreshadowed climax was a little unnecessary. Minor complaint though.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 12 March 2010 20:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
Season 2 is on On Demand right now. Love this show.
― Darin, Friday, 12 March 2010 20:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
Slightly gutted I won't be able to torrent this week to week as I'm away on my travels till the end of April. Still, big juicy catch-up when I get home.
― BTW, I'm frightfully middle-class (chap), Saturday, 13 March 2010 07:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
Big fan of this show, watched it all over the last few months. Didn't really like the airplane anticlimax either, though, it was built up way too much.
I'm surprised nobody brought this up, and I'm fully prepared to be jumped on for this statement, but a big downer for me is that the women characters in the show seem to be really badly or aggravatingly written. Skyler in particular, while perfectly acted, is this archetypal wifely shrew and foil who I dread seeing every time she comes on screen. As the show kept going into the second season, I only hated her more. It seems like most of the women (Skyler's sister, Jane, random methheads) all just end up being evil bitches. Even Hank got more nuance written into him! Sure you could argue just about everybody (except Walt's son) is kind of a bastard on this show, but the men seem to get a more balanced look.
Granted BB is hardly alone in this problem - its a symptom of the likely demographics of the middle-aged men writing many TV dramas (Dexter has this problem for many of its women, too).
― Nhex, Saturday, 13 March 2010 08:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
by the end of S2, I was like "you go, girl!" to Skyler.
― richie aprile (rockapads), Saturday, 13 March 2010 08:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
Skylar isn't an evil bitch at all! Walt is an evil bastard. She gives him the benefit of the doubt plenty of times before she finally snaps.
― BTW, I'm frightfully middle-class (chap), Saturday, 13 March 2010 10:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
She is meddling and interfering tho, and always wants to put a public front on everything. That's not evil but it does make her a bit annoying.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Saturday, 13 March 2010 11:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
Am I the only one who loves the brother in law? I sort of feel the longer the show goes on the more you feel that he's actually a decent dude, even if he is a meathead and even if he is vulgar etc. Sort of feel walt likes him too.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Saturday, 13 March 2010 11:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
Season 2 is on On Demand right now.
Uhm, where? Online or do you have better cable than me?
― DISASTÜR ZÜN RHINE (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 13 March 2010 12:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
skyler starts out horribly but after a couple of three episodes it became clear to me that she really does love walt, and thereafter i was totally on her side about pretty much everything despite her being walt's main "obstacle" to geting what he wants - it's a weird and unsettling dynamic
― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 13 March 2010 12:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
"It seems like most of the women (Skyler's sister, Jane, random methheads) all just end up being evil bitches."
Really? That's not how I read Skyler or Skyler's sister or for that matter Gretchen at all. The final episode of Season 2, it's hard to see how your sympathy is supposed to be anywhere but with Skyler (annoying or not).
Jane, random methheads sure they are evil bitches, but it's not like the methhead guys are great shakes either.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, 13 March 2010 16:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
this show fucks w/you cause walt is the hero even tho objectively hes doin v bad things
― ice cr?m, Saturday, 13 March 2010 16:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
thus the v reasonable ordinary reactions of skylar et al are seen as impinging on walts freedom
― ice cr?m, Saturday, 13 March 2010 16:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
― Darin, Friday, March 12, 2010 3:48 PM
yup gonna do a marathon seeing as its raining buckets all weekend
― am0n, Saturday, 13 March 2010 16:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
exactly. it's not even because we agree with what Walt's doing. it's because, as viewers, we want the show to keep going into unpredictable, exciting, and bizarre places - where as all Skyler wants is normalcy & stability. if the show was done from Skyler's perspective, with us only knowing what she knows, it would be depressing Lifetime Network stuff.
― richie aprile (rockapads), Saturday, 13 March 2010 17:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
I just have Comcast cable. It's under On Demand here: TV Entertainment > AMC > Breaking Bad
― Darin, Saturday, 13 March 2010 17:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
i like the brother in law too and would like s3 to switch to him as a main character hustling after walt on the run
― forksclovetofu, Saturday, 13 March 2010 18:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
i dunno rockapads - what i want more than anything is for walt to finally come clean and then skyler join him bonnie and clyde style.. but that ain't never gonna happen
― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 13 March 2010 18:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
I don't necessarily disagree with you guys, especially about how Skyler is supposed to be somewhat unlikeable due to audience expectation and supporting the antihero main characters, akin to what rockapads is saying. But the way the show has been moving, the main characters, Jesse and Walt, and have always have their core negative traits (stupidity/shortsightedness and pride/abusive/vindictive/vicious) while also getting a lot of sympathetic breaks as well. The second season I think really continued to make them deeper, more fleshed out characters, going back and forth constantly on that balance.
But with Skyler, the writers must've thought she was TOO sympathetically written in the first season, since this time around they made her even more "pregnant TV wife" annoying. I will give them points for doing that angle where she figured out the accounting scam (thus setting up her smarts and the great confrontational scene in the last episode), but between her general harpy nature, that bit where she was smoking (WTF) and the revelation that she was flirting with her ex-boss which led to the "sexual harassment" claim in her past, I felt they were trying to escalate how irritating she was. Of course a lot of the character's anger is justified, no doubt, but the way it's directed or written kept bugging me. I hope they do a better job with her this year.
― Nhex, Saturday, 13 March 2010 20:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
see, I guess I have a different perspective. as much as I have liked Walt, I think he has pretty much gone from anti-hero to villain at this point. he is more despicable and less sympathetic than Tony Soprano was for me - at least in the first few seasons. I agree that Skyler is kind of annoying, and maybe not as deep as she could be, but I think they did a great job toward the end of that last season of tilting my sympathies away from Walt and toward her.
― richie aprile (rockapads), Sunday, 14 March 2010 02:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, I found it... Comcast's menu system is so ridiculous.
― DISASTÜR ZÜN RHINE (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 14 March 2010 09:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
on my on-demand there's an episode missing (number 7), wtf
― am0n, Sunday, 14 March 2010 19:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
just watching this again...how would jane's blackmail have been any way effective? if she told the papers or police about walt he'd incriminate jessie too surely?
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 18 March 2010 18:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
She could tell Walt's wife.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 March 2010 18:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
well she did threaten to call the papers specifically...
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 18 March 2010 18:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
is the stuck in the desert w/ dead battery episode the "pine barrens" of breaking bad?
― ☀☃ (am0n), Thursday, 18 March 2010 19:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
does not involve 'universal remote' or even 'docking station' so
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 18 March 2010 20:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
so..........
― ☀☃ (am0n), Thursday, 18 March 2010 21:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://www.tvsquad.com/2010/03/17/vince-gilligan-on-breaking-bad-season-three
Interview w/Vince Gilligan, mostly talking about the second season finale. Interesting in that it basically does confirm that overall, Walt already is/will be tipping really far over into the evil category (though he and Cranston don't necessarily agree, lol) though for Jesse, it's not quite so, he hints that it might not be the case by the end of this season...
― Nhex, Thursday, 18 March 2010 21:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
jane was full of guff but walt doesn't know how to play hardball
I was trying to put that as a poker analogy but I don't know enough about poker
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 19 March 2010 00:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
Yep, no one really knew what they were doing in that situation. They are all amateurs.
― BTW, I'm frightfully middle-class (chap), Friday, 19 March 2010 05:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
All of the cast expressed surprise at Gilligan's assertion during the panel they did earlier that day that Jesse Pinkman was actually the moral center of the show. Paul was also surprised, but he could see where that assessment of his character came from.
― Nhex, Friday, 19 March 2010 20:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
What is wrong with you? Why are you BLUE?
― Jeff, Saturday, 20 March 2010 03:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'm a blowfish.
― Jeff, Saturday, 20 March 2010 19:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
― ☀☃ (am0n), Monday, 22 March 2010 02:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
off to a good start imo
― forksclovetofu, Monday, 22 March 2010 03:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
agreed
― Nhex, Monday, 22 March 2010 03:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
All those crawling-through-the-desert folks = even more mysterioso than last season's floating teddy bear
― Half lies and gorilla dust (Myonga Vön Bontee), Monday, 22 March 2010 03:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
Some explanation on that:http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/11/10/081110fa_fact_guillermoprieto?currentPage=4
On the first day of every month, at the Tepito metro stop in downtown Mexico City, a new breed of pilgrim can be observed inching his way on his knees out of the stop and down a filthy market street, and cradling in his arms, babylike, a plastic figure of Death—or Holy Death, La Santa Muerte, as the pilgrims refer to the robed skeleton, who carries, variously, a scythe, a sceptre, a set of scales, or a globe in her (sometimes his) hands. There were dozens of these effigies, borne by crawling men in their teens or early twenties. Tattooed and gaunt, they were dressed in black T-shirts with the sleeves ripped off and wore chains around their necks and silver skulls, like brass knuckles, on their fingers.Their goal was some four blocks distant, in the heart of Tepito, a legendary neighborhood that in the centuries since the Spanish Conquest has remained stubbornly insubordinate. Venders were everywhere along the pilgrims’ path, hawking T-shirts and baseball caps and medals decorated with the Santa Muerte.
― forksclovetofu, Monday, 22 March 2010 03:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
walt jr said "bullshit"
― iiiijjjj, Monday, 22 March 2010 03:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, i noticed that too! apparently getting more lax on their censorship of doity woids.
― forksclovetofu, Monday, 22 March 2010 03:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
So anyway, by posting a picture of Heisenberg at that Death Shrine it's not clear if the twins were praying for aid to find walt or to kill him.
― forksclovetofu, Monday, 22 March 2010 04:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
guessing they're tuco-related somehow
― ☀☃ (am0n), Monday, 22 March 2010 04:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
assembly scene was next-level. I love this show.
― Simon H., Monday, 22 March 2010 04:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah the assembly scene isn't something you'd see on many tv shows.
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, 22 March 2010 04:38 (3 years ago) Permalink
loved walt's response to the kid's bullshit story about seats with human legs on his neighbors lawn
― forksclovetofu, Monday, 22 March 2010 04:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
The assembly scene was way too long. Lots of Curb Your Enthusiasm awkwardness stuff in this episode that I don't remember from earlier seasons.
― Dan I., Monday, 22 March 2010 07:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
well the first season was about a pathetic man dealing with his impending death, now it's about an insane person trying to be drug kingpin, schoolteacher and family man.
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, 22 March 2010 07:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
― iiiijjjj, Sunday, March 21, 2010 11:57 PM
"nobody's tellin me jackshit"
― ☀☃ (am0n), Monday, 22 March 2010 14:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
the 2 mexican guys are cheesy so far. too calm and matrix-esque about their violence and explosions
― ☀☃ (am0n), Monday, 22 March 2010 14:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
they r COLD BLOODED do u c
― forksclovetofu, Monday, 22 March 2010 14:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
oh yeah jackshit my bad
yeah the mexican mercedes twins were embarassingly comic book even before they walked away from the explosion without looking back at it
also noticed that the front of the rehab clinic where walt picked jesse up looked suspiciously similar to the front of the airport where jesse picked walt up
― iiiijjjj, Monday, 22 March 2010 16:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
thought it was a brilliant episode...even if the mexicans are a bit clichéd. was trying to suspend disbelief. find it interesting how walt's attempts at being normal now become this sort of deranged parody of who he was at the start, the sort of geeky "1960s technology" stuff that just isn't him anymore.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Monday, 22 March 2010 20:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
"i'm the bad guy" is some serious scarface shit. i was expecting it from Hank, not Pinkman.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 02:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
Loved it. I wonder what mr chickens offer would have been. Maybe putting him up in this sweet meth cooking resort so he could cook for 3 months.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 02:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
i'm gonna bet we're gonna find out
― forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 03:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
Also, I wonder how long the stuffed toy eyeball is going to be around. Sitting under Walt's bed right now.
Since they did the thing last season with the black and white teasers and episode titles (Seven Thirty-Seven Down Over ABQ), I'm really looking for clues as to what is going to happen this season.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 04:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
Might be a waste of time. Vince Gilligan said at the PaleyFest panel the other week that they weren't going to repeat themselves in that manner, one and done.
― Jouster, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 05:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
I have to believe that eyeball is going to witness something very untoward happening at ground-level in Walt's room at the Beachcomber.
I was astonished that Walt let the cat out of the bag to Skyler! His lies to her sustained the entire previous three seasons..!! It's like Sam just finally getting together with Diane, or something... I'm really glad they had the guts to find another source of tension, another plot mechanism, though. And even if it becomes a catastrophe I'm proud of Walt for finally - if grudgingly - coming clean.
The assembly scene - Jesus.. I literally covered my eyes for the entirety of Walt's speech. Just could not look.
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 12:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
Or entire previous two seasons.. I can't keep track - feels like this show's been on longer than it has
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 12:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
And yes the whole "I'm not a criminal" convo with Gus seemed unbelievably naive and stupid... these are the words of someone who will flip and cop a plea, give up all the names to the police if caught... bad move. Gus may put on a friendly face but I don't think he rose to his position by being a nice guy.
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 12:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
agreed. i think Gus could be more trouble even than those two absurd mexican dudes.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 16:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
esposito is really dope in that role
― forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 16:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
Q: that composite sketch of Hank that the two mexi-gangsters pinned next to the shrine - where did that come from? I know it stems from an earlier point in the series, but I can't remember under what circumstances it originated.
loving this already, btw.
― everybody on ilx u have dandruff (Pillbox), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 16:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
er.. Walt, not Hank
― everybody on ilx u have dandruff (Pillbox), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 17:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
isn't the composite sketch from badger's description when he gets busted
― ☀☃ (am0n), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 17:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
― ☀☃ (am0n), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 17:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
that sounds about right, but still I can't recall. I'm thinking about reviewing the series maybe - only 19 eps b/w ssn 1&2, so not such a huge time commitment.
Possible S3 plot prediction: Skyler knowing Walt's secret will lead, directly or indirectly, to Hank finding out & putting the pieces together to discover that Walt = Heisenberg. Hank will be conflicted about what to do about this, but greed & opportunism will ultimately drive him to pressure Walt into cooking more product & sharing the profits. This will lead to Walt reconsidering Gus's offer, tho Gus will eventually find out Hank's involvement & a shitstorm will ensue. Somehow the mexi-gangsters will be involved in all of this.
― everybody on ilx u have dandruff (Pillbox), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 17:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
WHAT ABOUT HUGO
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 17:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
― everybody on ilx u have dandruff (Pillbox), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 17:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
i'm f'in serious
f'in hugo, man
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 17:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
this whole scene was SO goddam hard to watch. It must have taken me 15 min to do so b/c I kept pausing & looking at something online etc. b/c it was just that uncomfortable. tho brilliantly done, obv.
― everybody on ilx u have dandruff (Pillbox), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 17:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
i dunno - i enjoyed the scene lots, but didn't have nearly half the reaction all you guys are describing.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 18:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
Admittedly, I am esp susceptible to "uncomfortable moments" in film/TV. I have the same kind of reaction to scenes in The Office, etc.
― everybody on ilx u have dandruff (Pillbox), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 18:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
walt jr. learns to cook
― ☀☃ (am0n), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 18:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
how did skyler actually find out? did she find the money at the end of s2 or something? i didn't think so.
i can totally see gus just blackmailing walt into working for him now.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 18:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
Jesse popped up in Walt's life an awful lot.. the second cellphone.. I think she did find out about dome of the money too but I can't remember the details
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 19:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
but how did jesse popping up make any diff? i'm just surprised they've seemed to make it like she basically guessed, when did she suddenly become suspicious or smart enough to do that? i'm not sure it works well as a plot, it's too hard to put a finger on what changed to make her think "drug dealer" and also she specifically asked about "that kind of money", how does she know? the whole not taking money from gretchin thing?
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 19:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
ya. basically how he paid for everything himself with no explanation at all.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 19:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
but how did jesse popping up make any diff?
she knew jesse was involved in drugs in some way, so mysterious money source + 2nd phone + connection to jesse + all-around secrecy
― ☀☃ (am0n), Tuesday, 23 March 2010 19:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
She thought he was dealing pot to make hundreds of thousands of dollars, so though she was able to figure out the basics, she wasn't entirely clear.
― forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 19:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
dome of the money
SHE FOUND OUT ABOUT THE DOME OF MONEY
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 23 March 2010 19:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
Guess I'll need to re-watch the last few eps of S2 when I get the discs, but wasn't one of the two big catalysts for her leaving him finding out that he had lied about taking money for so long? That was hundreds of thousands of dollars of treatment, no?
I liked the episode. The twins are straight up Coen brothers shit, which I'm pretty okay with. They aren't the first characters or humor in this to remind me of Coen-style crime movies. I hope very much that they build them up only to meet a sudden and hilarious end. Highlight of the episode for me was definitely Jesse's "I'm the bad guy" talk. Sent chills up my spine. Really excited to follow his story this season.
― richie aprile (rockapads), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 04:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
recognize the guy playing weird al? looooool (also the bartender)
― ☀☃ (am0n), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 04:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
xp Yeah, I really liked that. I'm glad they didn't overplay it too much with the direction or music, either, since it's just the first inkling of where ever they're going with him this season. Also a great contrast to Walt's path of getting more insanely in denial and self-justification, "I'm just not a criminal", "amphetamine manufacturer", the assembly speech, and so on.
― Nhex, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 04:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
ok that video was pretty funny i have to admit, just for the cameos
― Nhex, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 04:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
I really, really wonder if these twin dudes are going to talk at all. They're sort of the opposite of Tuco, in a way, who was so aggressive and loud that it was almost over the top. Maybe they're mutes?
― Jouster, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 05:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
I can see why skyler found out, sort of, it just seems to be timed a bit awkwardly. Like she suspected drugs v v early on, then she didn't for a while, then she decides it is that quite a few episodes after things like finding out he wasn't taking the handouts or had the second phone. It's a minor quibble, it just does seem a leap to me for her to convince herself he's a drug dealer.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 09:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
I mean a leap from not thinking that or denying it. It doesn't seem like anything specific was final straw.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 09:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
i think the separation was the final straw - until then she didn't have the courage to "go there" in her own mind but once she got cold-hearted enough to just shut him out she could think about things a little more clearly
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 10:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
well - she'd obviously made up her mind about leaving him before he was well - but made sure he was going to be ok before she did the deed. there was that scene in the doctors office where she was v. clearly making sure he'd be ok and then next thing she does is pack her shit.kind of made me respect her character alot more for that one, tbh.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 14:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah i guess i mean that i can understand not wanting to believe the worst when you're still under the same roof as someone but once you separate, and once you decide you want a divorce, and once your divorce attorney says to leave no stone unturned and that she's seen all manner of crazy shit spouses have hidden from each other.. well i can easily see the ebayin, internet sleuthin part of skyler's brain kick up a gear
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 16:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
It would have been nice if they would have thrown us a bone and given us a hint about where her thoughts were going, I guess. I don't think it's a huge leap to make for a person in real life, but you don't see it a lot in TV shows/movies that depend on the deception being successful to maintain the tension. In my experience, once someone gives you a reason to be suspicious of them, their antenna stays up, and it's not hard to piece together the lies. I loved that she thought he was dealing pot with Jesse - that made a lot of sense. He was crazy to admit the meth thing.
See, this is the season where I'm going to be constantly frustrated with Walt, because his conscience and naivety is going to him and his family in mortal danger.
― richie aprile (rockapads), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 16:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
another Jesse moment I loved was when he first gets in the car after months of rehab, and simply states, "Your windshield is broken."
― richie aprile (rockapads), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 16:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
i think the separation was the final straw -
that plus baby getting born and cancer going into remission leaves more time for her to focus on what his deal is. i mean say what u want about the show but the writers have the plot details tuned pretty tight, moreso than any show i can remember
― ☀☃ (am0n), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 16:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
no overall it's really tight, I agree. I think richie otm above, it's v unusual in a tv show not to have a moment where she finally realises. I mean even if that moment isn't going to be some dumb cheesey eureka instance of her finding the wads of cash etc, you'd think they'd have shown her becoming certain of it. cos she was pretty certain when she called around to walt.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 18:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
i agree the lack of "moment of realization" is unusual but it also didn't really bother me. i don't think she was certain so much as "what else could it be if its not this, this or this." like she just wanted to throw something at him and see if it sticks, gauge his reaction, and sure enough he was visibly flustered even with his initial denial of it.
― ☀☃ (am0n), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 19:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
was it her sister that planted the seed of doubt early on about drug dealing, and skyler just laughed it off? need to rewatch season 1
― ☀☃ (am0n), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 19:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
"it's v unusual in a tv show not to have a moment where she finally realises"
Isn't the moment where she realizes that he actually does have 2nd cell phone, that moment?
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 19:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
that only confirms he's hiding something, not that he's dealing
― ☀☃ (am0n), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 19:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
But everything else flows from that.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 20:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
I did like how they set up Skyler to be this shrewd investigator in S2 with the accounting fraud angle, it made her confrontation with Walt in the finale to seem logical and in character. Once she did realize all the medical treatments were paid for somehow + Walt's previous relationship as Jesse's "pot customer" from the first season, it's not a huge leap to figure out he's a drug dealer, if an unlikely one.
I still wonder if they wrote the character with that kind of smarts from the beginning - in the first season she didn't seem to be much more than a stay-at-home mom who sold things on eBay to make scratch. But part of it may be explained by the willful denial mentioned above.
― Nhex, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 20:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
really want a pizza after this episode.
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, 29 March 2010 03:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
pizza shot was awesome! you knew something was coming with its comically large size... i was laughing well into the commercial break. I wonder if they did multiple takes with that toss...
continue to like where they're going with jesse. also glad they didn't go with a cheap cliffhanger at the end
― Nhex, Monday, 29 March 2010 03:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
i watched a stream of it on justin.tv and they kept rewinding the pizza throw during the commercial break XD
― skogsturducken (am0n), Monday, 29 March 2010 03:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
saul goodman is such an appropriate character for the show, balances out the morbid tones perfectly. congrats to jesse on his 45 day chip!
didn't have walt jr. pegged as a lucero fan, but the writing's on the wall.
― iiiijjjj, Monday, 29 March 2010 03:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah glad to see saul return
― skogsturducken (am0n), Monday, 29 March 2010 03:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
I was gonna mention the pizza toss! Instead, I'll just note that I haven't seen so many baldies in one episode since last season's sting operation ep.
― Half lies and gorilla dust (Myonga Vön Bontee), Monday, 29 March 2010 03:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah, let's talk about the new hired bald guy (who i actually thought was the fake heisenberg/hired fall guy at first). we know that saul hired him, cause we saw him call him up. we know he's also working for gus right, cause he called gus when he saw the twins at walt's house. and now we know the twins are also working for/with gus, cause they got the POLLOS text which was apparently code for gtfo, right?
― iiiijjjj, Monday, 29 March 2010 03:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
― iiiijjjj, Monday, 29 March 2010 03:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
i know wtf everyone works for gus
― skogsturducken (am0n), Monday, 29 March 2010 03:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
gus is all the all-seeing all-knowing floating eyeball of the fried chicken and methamphetamine universe
― iiiijjjj, Monday, 29 March 2010 04:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
when will the twins speak? tio makes a big comeback! 'ouija board would you work for me, i have got to say hello to an old friend'
― keythhtyek, Monday, 29 March 2010 04:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
"new hired bald guy" is the cat who got rid of the junkie girlfriend body last season.POLLOS means, "we need to talk now"
― forksclovetofu, Monday, 29 March 2010 04:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah that dude always plays shifty villains/crooked cops in everythinghttp://www.imdb.com/name/nm0052186/
― Nhex, Monday, 29 March 2010 04:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
he's so fucking good in Beverly Hills Cop.
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, 29 March 2010 07:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
― skogsturducken (am0n), Monday, 29 March 2010 13:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
thanking u
― forksclovetofu, Monday, 29 March 2010 13:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
SPOILER ALERT: this season, Walt turns into GG Allin
― A capella key change in "Hold On" by Wilson Phillips (Pillbox), Monday, 29 March 2010 16:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
how did the old codger with the bell know walt's name? was there a scene when they killed tuko where the missing report for him appeared on the tv or something?
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Monday, 29 March 2010 20:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
Maybe, but don't forget that Walt's name was all over the local news cuz of his son's fundraising website too.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, 29 March 2010 21:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
true, I have some vague memory of him seeing something about walt on tv in the tuko scene but maybe brain is malfunctioning.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Monday, 29 March 2010 21:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Monday, March 29, 2010 4:26 PM
he's sitting right there when tuco digs through his wallet and comments on the name on his driver's license
― skogsturducken (am0n), Monday, 29 March 2010 21:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
from the AMC website:
In his ailing uncle Tio's ramshackle house, Tuco orders Walt and Jesse to empty their pockets. Among Walt's belongings is the ricin-laced meth and his wallet, which reveals to Tuco his true identity. "I like doing business with a family man," Tuco says. "Thereís always a lot of collateral."
didn't tuco speak walt's name out loud during this scene, enabling tio to remember it?
also, forgot about this, which seemingly explains the identity of the twins:
One snort gets Tuco so ripped he wants to shoot Jesse, but Walt intervenes, after which Tuco announces that his cousins are coming to smuggle Tuco and Walt into Mexico, where Walt will be able to cook meth 24/7. As for Jesse, he'd better hope there's room in the trunk for him.
― iiiijjjj, Monday, 29 March 2010 21:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
i think tuco laughs at "walter white" and walt says heisenberg is his street name
― skogsturducken (am0n), Monday, 29 March 2010 21:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
ah yeah i knew it was something from that scene, just couldn't remember, thanks guys.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Monday, 29 March 2010 21:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
also he lols @ condom in jesse's wallet
― skogsturducken (am0n), Monday, 29 March 2010 21:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
good catch on the cousins thing, though it might just be a false lead
― Nhex, Monday, 29 March 2010 23:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Walter-White-Pizza-Tossing/113416312003437?ref=nf
― Jeff, Tuesday, 30 March 2010 03:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
pizza = cgi
d00dz skyler is starting to come unglued. is she TRYING to get herself fired? what was up with her question to ted, about how he would explain his book-fiddling to his kids?
jesse is starting to scare me. has he become the dead-eyed efficiency specialist walt always wanted him to be?
what the hell was gus doing when he answers the phone?? overseeing the construction of the biggest pollos ever??
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 30 March 2010 09:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
show's creator says:
Our special effects expert did indeed work up some mechanism for getting the pizza out of the box and onto the roof, using fishline or somesuch. However, to the best of my knowledge, his rig was never used. What you see in the finished episode is take one, in which Bryan basically just did a Hail Mary toss and got it up there in one try!
to which i say: bullshit
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 30 March 2010 10:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
"biggest pollos ever" = biggest meth factory ever. I think walt is gonna 360 from being "i am not a bad guy" to "i am THE bad guy"
― forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 30 March 2010 12:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
wasn't this quite clearly skyler trying to work out what walt would have thought when he decided to deal drugs? i thought it made sense as did ted's answer, first "to provide for them", at which point skyler looked sort of understanding, but then "i never really thought about having to explain it to them" at which point she didn't.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Tuesday, 30 March 2010 18:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
d00dz skyler is starting to come unglued. is she TRYING to get herself fired?
dont think you'd want to fire the one person who knows what dirt you're up to
― jeff, Tuesday, 30 March 2010 18:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
skyler has got serious control issues, they leak out at work too
― forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 30 March 2010 19:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
have we talked about walt's "restrain this"/crotch-grab yet
― ☀ ☃ (am0n), Tuesday, 30 March 2010 19:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
I like that he wears tighty whiteys instead of boxers, just like the irl majority
― Half lies and gorilla dust (Myonga Vön Bontee), Tuesday, 30 March 2010 21:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
I found that axe scene unnerving because Walt would have come out of the shower and had his head cut off and really never have worked out who these people were or whatever. The twins might be a little corny but they're a really good image of how far gone Walt is that he is completely oblivious that the people trying to cut off his head are sitting right outside his door.
Something is bothering me about this show though, at first we were made to believe that Walt Jr, has cerebral palsy and Skyler can't even write a book and has no abilities whatsoever outside being a homemaker. Walt starts making meth about two minutes after he is diagnosed and we think yes well he badly needs to support his family. However Skyler now is apparently only a few years out of a pretty prominent finance job. If push came to shove Skyler would be unlikely to die from exposure, she'd probably get on, and Walt Jr isn't really that badly off, he doesn't seem to have a lot of expensive medical costs or anything. It seems like the more independent they let their supporting characters get, the more Walt seems like a crazy man for immediately getting involved in organized crime.
― Popper, Tuesday, 30 March 2010 22:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
well if they lose walt's paycheck that mortgage + childcare costs probably become pretty hard to deal with but yes, i think that a lot of walt's ideas about needing to "provide" at all costs is largely a function of his own psyche rather than anything in reality.
i don't remember what book skyler was supposed to be writing?
yeah garda i got that too, about skyler probing ted to discover something about how people justify it when they break bad.. but it seemed tactless.. but i guess skyler doesn't really care about tact in some situations! she's not a gray area kind of person.
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 30 March 2010 22:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
I didn't get the impression that they were in bad financial straits before the cancer, though. I did find the Skyler career change/retcon to be a little weird. It wasn't until the expensive cancer treatments came in that the family was in danger in bankruptcy. Once that was mostly paid off, it should have been fine, but Walter's goalposts kept moving up (now he had to also support his unborn daughter and HER college education as well as Walt Jr.'s) and seeing as how he was making crazy money and not expecting to live longer than a year at that point, it was easy to see how he would give in to that temptation to leave his family a huge nest egg. Then he had that final surgery to pay for as well. This was discussed between Walt and Jesse last year, about when would there would finally be enough money to stop. But when you're gonna die so soon, why not go for some super high risk / high reward stuff?
But still, those are just the immediate justifications - the fact that Walt DOES just immediately start using his PhD skills to make meth speak to those feelings of of underachievement/entitlement that Walt feels and essentially propel his character through the show. His rooted anger and greed seem to take over more as the show goes on.
― Nhex, Tuesday, 30 March 2010 22:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
Popper - wasn't skyler's previous "prominent finance job" essentially being head accountant for happy-hands beneckie?
(btw does anybody remember what beneckie's company actually does/makes?)
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 30 March 2010 22:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
Well I didn't mean she was in a hedge fund or anything, but she did go from being seemingly dependent to having a job with its own office in the space of half an episode. I think it changes Walt's motivations, he was never really looking to save his family, and more that his life while working in the car wash and scrubbing his own students cars was a failure on his part.
I'm sure I'm over thinking this but Walt wasn't just caring for his family after he died, he wanted to make sure he would be the only one who did it. Walt basically got into making meth for himself.
― Popper, Tuesday, 30 March 2010 22:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
"Walt basically got into making meth for himself."
Yeah I think this is pretty clear at this point.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 30 March 2010 22:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
to the extent that he's making meth "for himself" it's for the pride he feels at being able to do something like this for his family - if he loses that justification, however fictional it may be at this point, i don't see how he holds the pieces together. sure, he likes feeling like an independent badass but without the telos of his family walt wouldn't even have an identity left. when saul walks him through the lay of the land (it's pretty sad that saul's his only confidante in this) he can't even conceive of any goal other worth having.
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 30 March 2010 23:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
shoot, i totally forgot about the whole car wash thing. yeah, it does make it look like Walt just stubbornly wanted to be the sole breadwinner, since he didn't even know the real reason Skyler left her job
tracer otm about walt's pride and his family
― Nhex, Wednesday, 31 March 2010 00:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
but then again, skyler seemed pretty OK with their setup, so who knows
i do like her more so far this season than in the others, at least
― Nhex, Wednesday, 31 March 2010 00:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
The amount Walt has made from dealing meth (500k-ish after laundering) is probably the amount they needed to pay for his treatment and not be so deep in a financial hole that paying for the baby is going to be rough.
So I'm interested to see why he'll inevitably go back to making meth.
I really was delighted by the "restrain this!" moment. How far Walt has gone from the milquetoast science teacher.
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 31 March 2010 01:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
The core of this show is about a man trying to find a way to earn his living and keep his pride and take care of himself and his family and everything else comes out of that. Now: no family. No pride. So I won't find it out of character when he really loses his shit.
― forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 31 March 2010 02:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
finally watched this last night... one of the funniest episodes I've seen in a long time. another scene that cracked me up was Hank's comments about the sushi.
― richie aprile (rockapads), Wednesday, 31 March 2010 21:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
don't forget there's a whole sub-plot of his ex-gf and her husband fucking him over and starting some chemicals company or whatever. another reason he's like fuck tha world, first u make the meth, then u get the money, then u get the power
― ☀ ☃ (am0n), Wednesday, 31 March 2010 21:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah, the people he was supposed to be okay with mooching off of for his treatment. many layers of resentment there. I'm kind of rooting for Walt to accept his fate, and get ruthless, but it's hard to imagine where the show would go at that point. like, where would the tension come from if that happened?
― richie aprile (rockapads), Wednesday, 31 March 2010 22:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
i think walt and jesse are gonna switch roles, jesse becoming the "bad guy" and having to coerce walt back into cooking, which is ultimately what saul (and gus) wants
― ☀ ☃ (am0n), Wednesday, 31 March 2010 22:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
kinda surprised walt hasn't hit the pipe yet, just out of curiosity
― ☀ ☃ (am0n), Wednesday, 31 March 2010 22:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
they've been sort of vague about it - but i'm not sure how much was them fucking him over and him leaving of his own accord - for whatever reason. that reason being, i think, his ex leaving him for the other dude.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Wednesday, 31 March 2010 22:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
he is, to be fair, kind of an asshole.
― forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 31 March 2010 22:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
hey lay off, he has cancer
― iiiijjjj, Wednesday, 31 March 2010 22:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
but yeah he should totally come full circle and pick the pipe up, finally. apartment floor's already dirtbaggy enough what with all the popcorn. he could be like kevin spacey in american beauty, quit his job at the high school and deliver pizzas (and dipping sticks) for venezia's full-time, spend his nights lifting weights while smoking pot crystal
― iiiijjjj, Wednesday, 31 March 2010 22:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
I think I'd quit watching if he got hooked on meth.
― richie aprile (rockapads), Thursday, 1 April 2010 02:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah, that would be too obvious. besides, they already sort of did this with Jesse's addiction
― Nhex, Thursday, 1 April 2010 03:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
i don't think that walt is gonna enjoy that pot roast.
― keythhtyek, Monday, 5 April 2010 03:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
haha, a very awkward pot roast indeed. seriously though walt couldn't have asked for that any more than if he had literally asked skyler "would you please fuck beneke?" oh yeah spoiler alert
when the salamanca cousins converged on that nice handicapped lady in the parking lot i was positive it was walt's mom. we weren't supposed to think that, were we?
gus peeling back the cellophane from a nice store-bought veggies & dip tray in anticipation of his business meeting with the drug cartel was just so gus
― iiiijjjj, Monday, 5 April 2010 03:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
& walt peeing in the sink was just so nu-walt
the prevent child abuse ribbons were a strange addition, i am surprised that the twins weren't sporting them.
― keythhtyek, Monday, 5 April 2010 03:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
― ☀ ☃ (am0n), Monday, 5 April 2010 08:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
evolution of walt's crotch-grab
― ☀ ☃ (am0n), Monday, 5 April 2010 08:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
Prevent child abuse ribbons? If you mean those blue ribbons most characters are wearing, those are for victims of Wayfarer 515, as clarified in the last episode.
Loved this episode a lot.
― Jouster, Monday, 5 April 2010 08:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
You are right. The big blue ribbons have just gone up around town here so i was confused.
― keythhtyek, Monday, 5 April 2010 23:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
Hah why didn't they pick a less common ribbon color? Come on people be creative!
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, 5 April 2010 23:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
that music video opening for that season 2 ep was so great (catching up on season 2 right now)
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 5 April 2010 23:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
"I f--d Ted"i think we're finally past the warmup stage; the table is set and the show can start moving again.
― forksclovetofu, Monday, 5 April 2010 23:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
xxpost
I noticed the ribbons have an orange stripe on them watching this last episode. So, that's something.
― Jouster, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 03:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'm terrified of everyone on the internet who watched that episode and went Skyler you fuckin slut how could u
― A B C, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 04:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
She's a repulsive person but that particular episode didn't really change the way I saw her at all
― forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 04:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
^kind of agree. She's even worse this year, but her actions at least make a little more sense than they used to. But you know I already hate Skyler!
― Nhex, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 04:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
I mean more like, buying all of Walt's cuckoo rationalizations at face value, ignoring his Lifetime tv movie husband antix in the scene with the cops, "he laid his heart out there and she cheated on him." like, go rent falling down instead you weirdos
― A B C, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 04:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
don't forget that she smoked in front of the baby. HOW COULD SHE DO THAT
― Nhex, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 04:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
― A B C, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 04:22 (2 hours ago)
my girlfriend said "cheating is way worse than making meth."
So I'll take that under future advisement I guess.
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 06:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
office party blowjob >>>>>killing a couple of guys in mexico
― forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 13:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, April 5, 2010 7:19 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
its a blue ribbon w/a pink ribbon underneath, aka a lol abt how all the ribbon colors have been taken
― ~cankles~ (ice cr?m), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 17:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
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― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Wednesday, March 31, 2010 6:12 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
iirc correctly they kinda strung you along thinking walts friend took his girl but when walts bitching to her abt taking up w/the friend and the two of them using his research - shes all you left wtf was i supposed to do - so it seems like at some point walt was in a pretty sweet spot doing important work w/a great gf and he just couldnt deal - he wanted to be a hs chemistry teacher living in a generic subdivision - like hank said last ep 'classic underachiever'
― ~cankles~ (ice cr?m), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 17:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
btw this show is hella sweet, lol roof pizza
walt's house on google street view, and 28 more show locations around albuquerque
― iiiijjjj, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 21:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
i am squinting looking for pizza stains on the garage roof
― richie aprile (rockapads), Tuesday, 6 April 2010 21:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
cooool
― Nhex, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 22:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
i like skyler a lot but this is pretty impeachable imo -
montanatorice4/5/2010 4:18:52 PMI would like to point out that Skyler is cooking the books for her boss, which is BREAKING THE LAW, and sleeping with him. Sure Walt made some dirty money, but let face it Walt made the LOGICAL choice to make sure his family would finicial set if died of cancer. It wasn't easy for him to do. You might say Walt had a mid-life crises, but so what. It never to late to be the MAN YOU ALWAYS WANTED TO BE, or the WOMEN YOU ALWAYS WANTED TO BE. Lets face it Walt had a dead end teaching job, a brother a jerk brother in-law, and wife that punked him around. For the first time in his life Walt took some risks, grew some big brass balls, and won some respect. He had none of the traits when the show began. Skylar should just take the half million dollars Walt risked his neck for and keep her mouth shut. Money talks and BS walks!
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― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 23:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
It is getting increasingly harder to have to wait a week for each episode. Like, near-excruciating. Best show on television, and boy oh boy does it crush the show I WAS following (Big Love). Jesus did season four fucking suck.
― SourPatchCorpse, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 23:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
er i meant to say UNimpeachable!!
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 23:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'm watching all three seasons of Mad Men ATM so i'm cool with the wait.
― forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 6 April 2010 23:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
one of the brilliant things about this show is how it is so many genres at once
- domestic melodrama (skyler = protagonist)- noir true crime (walt = protagonist)- dormant police procedural (hank = protagonist)- whatever you call jesse's story so far.. kind of an after school special except without the feelgood ending
any time one of these rubs up against any of the others, it produces weird effects
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 08:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
for instance, the rant i pasted from "montanatorice" up there makes perfect sense from the true crime angle but not from the others
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 09:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
one thing that just occurred to me is that fucking ted and then telling walt about it is not exactly clever if you want a divorce
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 09:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
I think by that point divorce is officially off the table, since she admits she can't bring herself to turn him in and having her son find out (also: she's seen the money now - reaction unknown), so she's just going to wait for Walt to die - but of course, to her, he's grabbed too much power in the relationship at that point so she NEEDS to bring it back to her side by screwing Ted and showing she can still mess with Walt.
― Nhex, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 09:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
there was a brief moment where if felt like skyler was fucking ted to have a backup plan man to take care of her/mortgage/kid but maybe i'm watching too much mad men just lately.
― forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 13:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
i'm pretty sure the bag o' bills will take care of that.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 13:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
bag o bills (and house) goes when/if walt goes unless she's waiting for his ass to croak which seems more likely.
― forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 13:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
oh - i was thinking when he croaks. i see what you mean.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 13:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
although it occurs to me now that she could try and push the divorce through over his objections because "she's in love with another man"! That would be pretty clever really; she just circumvents the issue entirely.
― forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 13:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
i could be wrong but i think infidelity is a pretty heavy mark against you in any divorce proceeding
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 14:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
i think she'd be willing to do it to get around the drug charges?
― forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 14:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
It's also not exactly going to endear her son to her.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 14:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
not sure where you're going with this, forks. to get a good outcome i.e. restraining order + cash or whatever she needs to show that walt's done something wrong, not that she's gone and fucked her boss.
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 14:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
dunno the law angles, but if she has fallen in love with another man and wants to be with him (especially one with a standing business and a complete, only semi-legally challenged life) can't she just move into his house and leave Walt behind entirely? Give Walt the house and walk away from the problem? The only issue i see is her son (who's headed to college in a year or two?)
tho the more obvious plot point is that it's a control/power move on her part combined with a need to drive walt away aggressively.just spitballing
― forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 14:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
The only issue i see is her son
haha this is a huuge issue though.
and i don't think skyler has any desire to actually live with ted beneckie.
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 15:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
i don't think she even particularly likes him.
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 15:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
no.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 15:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
I doubt the Ted thing was anything more complicated than a desire to hurt Walt and a desire to get her rocks off (which she hadn't done in a looong time if you think about it).
― richie aprile (rockapads), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 19:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
for some reason I found the whole twins-rigged-the-Tortuga-head-bomb thing to be kind of annoyingly neat. that was El Paso, this is New Mexico. Is there really only one drug gang in Mexico?
― richie aprile (rockapads), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 19:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
I know what you mean but I wouldn't be surprised if there were only a couple of cartels - or one - who control the major supplies over the AZ-MX border
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 8 April 2010 08:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
Oh but yeah, I didn't realize that was El Paso
Duh
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 8 April 2010 09:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
actually, I should have looked at a map before making that post. I see that AQ is actually due north of Juarez on I-25, and El Paso is right across the border (which I did know). I thought AQ was way to the west of that for some reason. Still... I hate the kind of screenwriting 101 type mechanisms that make the world actually seem less random. Like, Breaking Bad has always been about cause and effect, which I love, but couldn't it have just been a random horrible event that influences how Hank reacts to things later on? It's a really minor complaint, though.
One of my favorite lines on this last episode was when Hank's partner tells him to "get on some Flomax" when he says he wants to go back inside the bar to piss again. I've been chuckling about that all week. If they did a spin-off cop show with Hank and his partner, I'd watch it. I love every scene with those two.
― richie aprile (rockapads), Thursday, 8 April 2010 14:38 (3 years ago) Permalink
It amazes me how much Skyler hate there is on the various websites I read. People love walt so much but he is not a sympathetic character in the least. Even after his speech in front of the money bag, it comes no where close to redeeming what he has done. He has killed people, constructed elaborate lies, and put his family in grave danger.
I'm sympathetic to Skyler because she is In a situation where she has absolutly no control. That's why she F'd T. I don't think she necessarily wanted him, but he was the most accessible and she knew he would go for it. This wasn't really about sexual desire, it was about having something, anything, over walt.
― Jeff, Thursday, 8 April 2010 14:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
it's one of the few things she can assert control over too, i suppose.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Thursday, 8 April 2010 15:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
It amazes me how much Skyler hate there is on the various websites I read.
Is this a failure of the writers', or is it their intent? Is the show a male wish-fulfillment fantasy for a lot of middle-aged men, who might feel bored with their lives, and/or that they are taking care of their loved ones inadequately? Or is this a dumb-ass internet forum-commenters are being misogynist shockah type of thing? What do people want? For Walt to toss Skylar to the curb, cap Jesse's ass, and turn into Michael Corleone?
― richie aprile (rockapads), Thursday, 8 April 2010 17:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
"Is this a failure of the writers', or is it their intent?"
I think it's partly intentional (I mean she's clearly intended to come off a bit shrill) but no I don't think they want viewers to hate her.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
i don't h8 skyler
― ☀ ☃ (am0n), Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
this goes back to my original point from s1 that this is basically some transgressive gansta shit w/lol morally ambiguous window dressing for the thinking man
― ~cankles~ (ice cr?m), Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
Walt is sympathetic. He has cancer ffs. Not saying that vindicates his every move but he is having a crisis of identity brought on by his illness. Think the reason people hate skyler is she represents his old trapped life and personality. The main diff between them is she wants to be this very public happy family and he doesn't care what people think. Even if the things walt does are horrible I sympathise because he is trying to express himself. In real life that's no defence but there are loads of books/films where this comes up.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
i personally express myself by killing hawt junkie bitches, you know
― ~cankles~ (ice cr?m), Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
Me too, I started a night class in it.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
o word
― ~cankles~ (ice cr?m), Thursday, 8 April 2010 18:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
Sort of related - the show has pretty distinctly (at least compared to every other TV show about the drug trade ever) painted drug users unsympathetically, with the exception of Jesse, of course. You could say this perhaps represents the viewpoint of the protagonists, that they generally ignore the greater devastation they're causing by making meth. I'm not sure whether this reflects the show creators' stance on anything (focusing on the hurt of family members instead), or if they're just doing it to subvert the standard tropes (users are victims, dealers are evil) but it definitely keeps the show from casting Walt and Jesse in a more negative light then they could be, realistically.
― Nhex, Thursday, 8 April 2010 20:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
Things have been kind of one dimensional for a while now (since, what, the desert cook-off episode?), what with Walt and Jesse's domestic upheavals and all. I am hoping (and predicting) that this show is going to get really fuckin grimy and desperate again - and soon. And frankly, the scariest antagonist in the show, Walt's cancer, needs to make a reappearance right around the same time, in my opinion.
― richie aprile (rockapads), Thursday, 8 April 2010 20:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
I don't find any of these characters sympathetic. Even Walt Jr. is a dick. Maybe Saul? I like Saul?
― forksclovetofu, Thursday, 8 April 2010 23:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
strangely, Jesse and Hank might be the most sympathetic characters atm, but as characters change or go through stages, so do my loyalties/sympathies, like they did in the Sopranos or Six Feet Under.
― richie aprile (rockapads), Thursday, 8 April 2010 23:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
hank is a pretty great person. Just kind of pigheaded.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 8 April 2010 23:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
Hanks character has grown a lot on me.
― Jeff, Thursday, 8 April 2010 23:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
I think beneath the facade of hardman lies Hank's likable interior and under that likable interior lies a scared dangerous asshole
― forksclovetofu, Friday, 9 April 2010 01:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
^ funny and also true.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Friday, 9 April 2010 02:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
lol absolutely
― Nhex, Friday, 9 April 2010 03:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
I think Hank has real compassion for people. An asshole would have handled the whole poolside confrontation with Walt a lot differently IMO.
Of course it's nuanced, which is what makes this show awesome.
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 9 April 2010 03:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
― forksclovetofu, Thursday, April 8, 2010 9:28 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
niice
― ~cankles~ (ice cr?m), Friday, 9 April 2010 04:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
jesse is on a meta level the most sympathetic character because hes the most irl accurate guy ive seen on a tv show, i know ive said this before but omg that guy i know him, aaand his type has been sorely underrepresented in contempo works of art despite being like the most common type of guy going over the last 15 years of usa
― ~cankles~ (ice cr?m), Friday, 9 April 2010 04:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
Hank has real respect for people and really cares about them. Genuinely he is a good dude.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Friday, 9 April 2010 06:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
If they did a spin-off cop show with Hank and his partner, I'd watch it. I love every scene with those two.
totally. Hank's partner - every reaction is just pitch perfect. i totally, totally buy that these guys are bros.
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 9 April 2010 09:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
jesse is on a meta level the most sympathetic character because hes the most irl accurate guy ive seen on a tv show
mb im just giving in to aspirational gangster manque aspect of the show but i cld use way less of this dude right now - dead drug waifs v/m getting cut off felt p good getting sick of hearing it
walt in the apron was lol 2 me dude just bending the world 2 his will making salad & pot roast back on top then damn outmaneuvered again
― Lamp, Friday, 9 April 2010 09:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
NB here's the guy who plays gomie - steven michael quezada - the guy's barely been in anything! born in 1963. this should give actors everywhere hope.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2366374/
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 9 April 2010 10:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
they vacuumed up a lot of hispanic actors for this show; it occurred to me that it's got more latin cast members than any other program on tv right now.s
― forksclovetofu, Friday, 9 April 2010 14:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah, i really like how big of a role border culture plays in this show. it's not exactly in-depth or even maybe that realistic but it's pretty cool anyway.
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 9 April 2010 14:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah love how theyre exploring the borderland culture that covers a huge swath of the country but that pop media doesnt really bother to fuck w/that much - i dunno i guess weeds went there but
lolxp
― ~cankles~ (ice cr?m), Friday, 9 April 2010 14:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
i know we discussed this but opening the one ep w/that narcocorrido was next level
― ~cankles~ (ice cr?m), Friday, 9 April 2010 14:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah! more music videos in the middle of television dramas please!
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 9 April 2010 14:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah, personally i was just WTF at that intro and glad to see it gone forever
― Nhex, Friday, 9 April 2010 19:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
BB has consistently good openings. I like the one that had Jesse's car bouncing in the desert.
― Jeff, Friday, 9 April 2010 19:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
Too bad 90% of these roles are criminals
― Nhex, Friday, 9 April 2010 20:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
too bad its a show abt criminals :(
― ~cankles~ (ice cr?m), Friday, 9 April 2010 20:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
ok now u guyz are just c/p'ing from the wire thread
― Dr. Phil, Friday, 9 April 2010 21:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
i ain't trollin, just sayin what's up
― Nhex, Friday, 9 April 2010 21:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
better than white actors playing hispanic criminals, though, amiright
― richie aprile (rockapads), Friday, 9 April 2010 21:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
what if theyre white hispanics ~think abt it~
― ~cankles~ (ice cr?m), Friday, 9 April 2010 22:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
was this not on last night?
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Monday, 12 April 2010 08:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
it was; it was dope.
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, 12 April 2010 08:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah, it's imporoving. and they are hinting skyler might move in with f--k ted.
― forksclovetofu, Monday, 12 April 2010 12:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
"i fffffd ted"
― ☀ ☃ (am0n), Monday, 12 April 2010 13:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
i haven't seen this yet but a week's time has been long enough for it to sink in for me how rock-bottom skyler must be now, despite her "victory" at the pot roast. i mean she was at the end of her rope already, the only thing keeping her going was the moral high ground. i can't even imagine how hollowed-out and gross she must feel.
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 12 April 2010 13:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
wonder when they're going to get around to doing something with Walt Junior. That kid is like a place setting with attitude.
― forksclovetofu, Monday, 12 April 2010 14:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
interesting ep...i thought a walt/jessie war was on the way but now it seems like gus is trying to bring them back together by showing them how much money they can make. really like the house bugging guy. also walt's boss is still HOT.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Monday, 12 April 2010 18:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
good example of strong non-drug dealing latina character on the show toothough apparently not on the show anymore?
― forksclovetofu, Monday, 12 April 2010 18:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
good stuff this week, though i feel like the chess pieces are still being moved to their opening positions
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 12 April 2010 23:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
yea, i thought after ep3 this season was set to explode, but they seem to be taking more time to draw out the story lines (with this ep at least - green light ending, duh).
walt's attempt to hit on the principle was so pathetic and creepy.
hard to watch jessie pitching the meth to the gas station cashier. loved her tho - "i mean i smoke pot a lot sometimes". his "only thing i'm good at" talk with walt was depressing also. only thing walt's good at now too? from that same scene: "i'm not gonna lend my name to an inferior product!!" - says a lot about how far he's fallen.
hank just wants to be a badass too. thought he was just looking for a fight back at the bar, but maybe he was hoping to run into a heisenberg bag?
still unsure if skyler's tedlust is purely vindictive or if she's getting more out of it.
― jerk orbison (another al3x), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 00:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
*principal
― jerk orbison (another al3x), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 00:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
there was an interesting little window when ted says "i just don't want to make whatever mistake walt made!" and skyler looks over at him, pauses, and says "i'd be amazed." there's almost a note of respect for walt in her voice?
i love all this stuff but can't wait for events to start unfolding with the kind of ruthless logic that they did in earlier seasons
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 00:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
respect? it's questionable if she ever respected walt
― Nhex, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 00:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
― jerk orbison (another al3x), Monday, April 12, 2010 8:01 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
charmingly delusional imo
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 01:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
loving the pacing of this season so far
― ☀ ☃ (am0n), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 01:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah im feelin it - the gasstation seen was excellent
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 02:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 01:55 (1 hour ago)
I thought he just did it to get fired.
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 03:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
o ur prob right, good call
btw always jarring to see jesse in big love wtf
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 03:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'm gonna go with Walt being such a dumbass buffoon he totally misjudged her legitimate kindness to him, since it's been so long since he knew what that was like. Why would Walt want to get fired? Unless subconsciously he wanted an excuse to go back to cooking meth.
Been thinking... I wonder if this season's going to end with Walt getting off the hook for Tuco's death by selling out Hank (bring back the trophy grill for proof!) leading to his execution.
― Nhex, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 03:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
also, another Badger sighting tonight on HIMYM as the pizza guy
― Nhex, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 03:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
― Nhex, Tuesday, April 13, 2010 3:35 AM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark
They probably don't need proof (Hank got promoted for it, after all). But Uncle Tio heard Walt and Jessie talking about poisoning Tuco.
I think it would be more of a deal like "yeah ok, but if you let me live I'll give you the guy who ACTUALLY killed Tuco."
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 04:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
I just kinda want to see the grill again, it was so 0_0. I suspect that is how it's gonna go down, though, we're only four episodes in, lotta directions this season can yet go.
― Nhex, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 04:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, April 12, 2010 11:24 PM
maybe, but he was acting out crazily the whole episode. the plant through the plate glass, shutting down jesse on the deal, etc. i think he felt so burned by skyler's infidelity that he pathetically tried his own hand at it.
― ☀ ☃ (am0n), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 05:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
I dunno I thought his face just after he hit on her looked kind of smug, and he was acting completely ott mental in those scenes at school.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 08:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
he was acting completely ott mental at the breakfast table too but what would have been the ruse in that case? i think he actually is adrift in a way we haven't seen before. when mrs superintendent hotness was like "come sit next to me, walt" i think he actually interpreted that as an invitation.. eek. that was the second time this season that i literally watched a scene through my fingers.
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 09:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
"i smoke pot a lot sometimes"
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 13:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
"but what would have been the ruse in that case?"
Get sympathy? Beats me.
Loved Gus' buying the meth to wound Walt's ego. That guy is awesome.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 15:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
omg the way jesse sd awwwwwwesssommmmeeee its magic <3
― Lamp, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 17:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
what was it he said you get with a meth high? "cold action stabs?"
almost feel bad for walt jr. not being able to put two and two together, i mean c'mon buddy after going strong for months at what i can only assume was a fairly static rate, website donations just abruptly cease? at the same time your dad inexplicably gets kicked out of the house? got a hunch this dude might have to settle for new mexico state next year
― iiiijjjj, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 18:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
lol. good party school I bet.
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 21:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
dude's gotta start acting out soon i think
― jerk orbison (another al3x), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 04:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
you know... break bad and all
― jerk orbison (another al3x), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 04:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
i'm not surprised walt jr isn't putting 2 and 2 together. he already seems to be in denial to some degree; acting like his old man is some sort of saint when just a few months earlier he didn't even want to share a name with the man. i don't think he's so dense that he can't fathom what might possibly go on between a man and a woman that they might not want to share with their kid (he obviously wouldn't guess "drugs" but he must be able to think of *something*) - there has to be some willful ignorance going on here.
even if 2 and 2 were plunked on the living room floor in front of him, say, in the form of a bag of money, a half-melted corpse and a pile of crystal meth - he still might not be capable/willing to put it all together.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 05:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
anyways, that was a great ep. the more i think about it the more i love it. walt choking Sal was classic. really starting to dig "house bugging guy" too.
the biggest thing to happen in that ep, to me, was Hank officially chickening out of his assignment. the scene where he meekly declines to go was almost shocking, given his character.and now he basically has no choice but to bring in his phantom blue meth guy Heisenberg. it's his whole reason for not going and i can see him driving himself to the brink to justify it.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 06:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
it = his decision.
so obviously there's only a few ways this can resolve itself, if he's going to be on a collision course with Walt.he's already half way to Jess. i'm just not sure if he makes the connection between Jess and Walt this time. W.Jr might not be able to connect 2 and 2 - but Hank certainly could. there's the possibility that Walt might take a break from his personal-life-train-wreck just long enough to ask Hank what he's up to. maybe it'll have to wait until the next time he gets maced. if not tho Hank could be a big problem.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 06:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
Good stuff tonight - Gus' perfectly targeted final appeal to Walt's manly pride (lol at "respecting the chemistry") and the humanizing turns for both Skyler and her sister. Loved the secret lab underneath the giant laundry angle, magnifying the old money in the dryer bit.
― Nhex, Monday, 19 April 2010 03:38 (3 years ago) Permalink
amazing ep...this show is just the best.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Monday, 19 April 2010 10:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
so maybe Jess will take the fall for Walt and all the blue meth he's going to be mass producing?!
interesting to see Skyler's evolving view on Walt's career change - and then he goes ahead and leaves. gives her what she wanted just when she starts to (seemingly) change her mind. loved it.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Monday, 19 April 2010 14:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
couldn't help but think how much misery that massive fucking meth lab is going to produce! quite weird tho, for walt it's basically like he sees it as a great setup with a good boss who respects him and excellent working conditions, i guess he might argue loads of people work for completely unethical companies...
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Monday, 19 April 2010 15:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
also love the current hank storyline, it's like he definitely is losing it a bit but at the same time he is completely on the right track, the fact we know that and he has to hope for it and tell himself he believes it makes it great to watch.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Monday, 19 April 2010 15:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
Yeah rly - I had my doubts about the post-traumatic stress disorder (and kleptomania) subplots last season but it looks as though the PSTD angle is gonna dovetail nicely
― extremely low expectations (which, yes, were "met"). (Myonga Vön Bontee), Monday, 19 April 2010 21:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
great ep, return of gangsta walt black jacket and all
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 04:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
this show is amazing btw
― po-mo da don (tpp), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 08:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
tryin a think how this could play out, maybe jesse takes the fall for walt like thermo says, but then does he rat him out, if so theres no way jesse will be allowed to live right, i mean hes fucking w/some real people - howre the loco twins going to play into this, is the pollos empire goin down in a blaze of glory, hank seems destined to figure the whole thing out
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 13:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
reckon jesse dead by end of s3
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 19:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
No way, this show's almost as much about Jesse as it is about Walt. I'm guessing he's gonna come back in a big way by the end of the season, considering how much he's been in the background so far.
― Nhex, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 20:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
POLLOS
― po-mo da don (tpp), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 20:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah jesse is so central to the show that would suck if they killed him off
― pollos da don (tpp), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 20:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
i've watched the entirety of this show in a matter of weeks and it feels horrible now having to wait a week for an episode. what i find bizarre about this show is sometimes i find it almost impossible to keep watching. like sometimes i have to flick over to something else because i dunno its too dark or i feel too nervous watching it. keep coming back for more though. last ep was so so great. loved how gus clearly has walt's motivations for cooking completely nailed.
the discussino abt skyler hate is interesting. i was definitely at points was thinking 'oh fuck off' and rooting for walt to turn all-out gangster. but its prob a reflection of my own lame transgressive fantasies tbh more than anything actually wrong with her. whenever the show makes you start rooting for walt like that you end up doing a u-turn because of some awful consequence of what he's doing (not the plane crash tho sorry that was too much). i mean that makes it sound lame and preachy but it isn't is it?
the contrast between the self-esteem boost the meth brings to walt and the destruction it brings to jesse is def. the crux on the show imho
― pollos da don (tpp), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 21:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
moving to the point where I think I might be better off waiting for a few episodes to pile up and then watch a run rather than one a week, xp!
― forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 21:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
like walt has done some awful awful things but i think sometimes i'm just so trapped in the frame of mind where i must sympathise with the main character. reminds me of when i started watching the sopranos for the 2nd time with my ex-girlfriend (i'd already seen the whole thing once already) and she actually couldn't watch it because she despised the character of tony so much and couldn't deal with it. i think we gave up after a few episodes because she was actually screaming at the tv haha
― pollos da don (tpp), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 21:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
Y'all ain't got the stomach for this, WEEK-TO-WEEK is the way! I mean if for nothing else, because the show is written for this format, including the commercial breaks.
Don't feel bad about hating on Skyler though, I really think they often did a bad job writing her. But this season they've been a lot better about explaining her emotional state and her decisions. It's OK if the secondary characters on this show aren't as fleshed out as Walt and Jesse, but for her it's pretty important since she is a primary foil and her scenes with Walt both take up a lot of the show's time and are often important for the plot and character development.
― Nhex, Tuesday, 20 April 2010 21:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
what i find bizarre about this show is sometimes i find it almost impossible to keep watching. like sometimes i have to flick over to something else because i dunno its too dark or i feel too nervous watching it.
2x
― he takes the account of everything in the universe into consideration (dan m), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 21:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
i also struggle with week-to-week for shows like this. just watched the wire front to back for the second time, and having to sit through 7 commercials every 12 mins or whatever is excruciating. makes it much harder for me to really get engrossed in a show now. otoh, i love BB so much i lack the self-control to wait for the torrent the next day or whatever...
figuring hank will catch jesse, dunno how that will play out though. feel like s3 has been mostly about characters interacting in pairs so far, and that hank's investigation is the piece that will force him, walt, jesse, and skyler to reckon with each other. agree that they did a good job giving skyler a boost this week. part of that for me was also filling in ted and her lawyer a bit more.
and yes omg so excited when gus revealed the new lab!!
― jerk orbison (another al3x), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 20:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
i was worried at first Gus was marching him off to the twins.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Wednesday, 21 April 2010 21:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
^^didn't think of that! but i can see it. walt would have ended up cooking again either way, right?
how about a new character as his "excellent help"?? it isn't jesse obviously...
― jerk orbison (another al3x), Thursday, 22 April 2010 03:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
a man provides
― jerk orbison (another al3x), Thursday, 22 April 2010 03:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
so good
― jerk orbison (another al3x), Thursday, 22 April 2010 03:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
Who else had a bioshock flash there?"A man DECIDES!"
― forksclovetofu, Thursday, 22 April 2010 03:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
Great choice of music when the lab was revealed - anyone know what it was?
― BTW, I'm frightfully middle-class (chap), Friday, 23 April 2010 16:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
Peder, "Timetakesthetimetimetakes"
― Jouster, Saturday, 24 April 2010 21:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
this episode had it all! badger, the fourth amendment, and carl from billy madison aka larry hankin the world's greatest character actor of all time. hank is going to fuck some shit up next week, and it is going to be awesome.
― iiiijjjj, Monday, 26 April 2010 03:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
man walt is such a lo-qual criminal mastermind
― ice cr?m, Monday, 26 April 2010 03:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
whitman-reciting libertarian soi-disant "nerd" lab assistant, classic or dud
― iiiijjjj, Monday, 26 April 2010 03:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
they were cute, jus a couple a guys who cant deal w/all the 'bullshit'
― ice cr?m, Monday, 26 April 2010 03:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
bullshit = pb&j crusts
― iiiijjjj, Monday, 26 April 2010 03:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
i love that actor who's the lab assistant. he pops up everywhere - the fifth season of the Wire, Damages, terrible Foxwoods and Sprint commercials...
― Nhex, Monday, 26 April 2010 03:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
amazing episode. would love to see Hank take out one of the twins next week.
― jeff, Monday, 26 April 2010 04:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
worried abt hank
― ice cr?m, Monday, 26 April 2010 04:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
ya this was awesome. riverdance was lol
― am0n, Monday, 26 April 2010 04:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
Badger feels like his brain has been boiled in anthrax!
― in movie 2001 resurrect thread on planet jupiter (Pillbox), Monday, 26 April 2010 06:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
Woah, amazing ep. The light from the bulletholes shining on Walt and Jesse!
― Simon H., Monday, 26 April 2010 07:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
Was there a deal with the opening sequence? Or was it just another sequence demonstrating that dudes are psychos? Otherwise a fucking perfect episode.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, 26 April 2010 16:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
Woah, nice to see a bit of the ole tension.
― i would rather burn than spend eternity with god and rapists (chap), Monday, 26 April 2010 17:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
xp The woman they killed was the wheelchair lady they stole the van from last episode, I believe.
― Nhex, Monday, 26 April 2010 17:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
Was the van there and did I miss it?
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, 26 April 2010 18:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
Probably a different lady. It was implied that the dead lady behind the shed was a native american that the Cousins (that's what they're called, right) killed so that they could squat her house.
― Dan I., Monday, 26 April 2010 18:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
woman
― Dan I., Monday, 26 April 2010 18:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
could be a man wearing women's shoes
― Dan I., Monday, 26 April 2010 18:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
what an amazing episode...this show is just so in its stride right now.
hank is like he is physically and mentally rotting due to this investigation. his face in that hospital scene, god, i thought he might have a heart attack.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Monday, 26 April 2010 20:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
― iiiijjjj, Monday, 26 April 2010 20:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
it's so amazing that within the tension they do something like that, i had to pause it as the lol was such a welcome break. actually had pulse racing during this ep, this show is untouchable.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Monday, 26 April 2010 20:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
riverdance was hilarious too
well damn!
― pollos da don (tpp), Monday, 26 April 2010 22:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
fuck... i can't wait a whole week now! they def wound it up tight
― jerk orbison (another al3x), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 02:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
finally all came together
― forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 04:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
jesus, when this show kicks it up a notch it doesn't fucking stutter
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 09:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
i'm disappointed that walt trusts this new guy so much right off the bat - if i were him i'd be tight-lipped and keep my secrets close to the vest so as to increase my chances of staying alive. but i guess walt doesn't realize how much danger he's in. and also needs a friend big time. :(
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 10:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
WALTer WHITeMAN
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 12:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
i don't remember Walt telling him all that much.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 14:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
there's a moment where the dude asks him about percentages of something or whatever. maybe i'm reading too much into it.
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 14:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
ahhh - yes. explaining his formula - i thought you meant personal stuff.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 14:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
walt has no idea what it takes to be a successful criminal
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 15:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah, no doubt capt. pollos has requested that dude get his special formula so when and if the hatchet brothers off walt, he can continue to grind out the blue stuff indefinitely.
― forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 15:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
jesse's still got the product of his recent cook, right? i wonder what happens to that..
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 15:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
alot of riverdancing.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 16:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah i thought that exact thing about walt's new buddy. those scenes were so weird...like so overtly gay!
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 20:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah they were! jesus this episode was incredible. i watched it after working late and couldn't sleep for hours afterwards
― pollos da don (tpp), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 20:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
that shot of Hank in the hospital was amazing. i might watch again when i get home!
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 20:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
saul even felt bad abt fucking w/hank like that
― ice cr?m, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 20:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
i knew that's what they would do but it just felt so dark. hank is like...going to pieces, it seems like him having a heart attack or something could happen except might be a bit obvious.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 20:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
especially after having neglected marie for days.. when he was sitting on the stakeout, his front seat piled high with fast food wrappers, the expression he gave his phone - the sigh - when he saw it was her calling AGAIN was priceless. to go through all the guilt over those feelings on the race to the hospital and then realize it was all a con.. ooh fucker
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 20:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
thinkin hank will go apeshit next episode
― am0n, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 20:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah he has just fucking lost it. it's actually quite sad cos as much as he's a big hulking jock he's actually quite a decent guy, cares about his family, but he's just in a state.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 20:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
this show has done so well to take the time to flesh characters out. like it would have been easy to leave hank the as boilerplate tough-guy vic mackey cop character. i really really like hank and hope he doesn't die in the next episode.
― pollos da don (tpp), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 20:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah otm...the pacing of the show has been perfect too, like everyone's development feels v good and also i really feel each episode has the right amount of stuff happening in it.
something like lost where one week it's a huge series of crazy shit and the next it's nothing at all happening is massively annoying in comparison.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 20:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
I think there is a good chance that Hank'll kill one or both of the cousins.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 20:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
i see hank taking out both the cousins and being badly badly wounded. wonder if they'll kill the sister/wife? that would be an interesting twist.
― forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 21:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
That would make sense, since they've given her a lot more screen time this season, to build her up for it.
― Nhex, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 21:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
have they?? i feel like marie's had like 10 lines.
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 21:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
Well, compared to the last two seasons at the very least. She's definitely had more conversations and both Hank and Skyler, it's contributed a lot to her character development. In previous seasons she wasn't much more than a nag with random bouts of kleptomania.
― Nhex, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 21:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
Yeah she seems like she's barely on the show at all these days.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 21:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
i don't think she's really been on all that much.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 22:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
one sentence summary of this seasons so far
― where display names die, unrecognized (Lamp), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 00:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
just rewatched the phone call/hospital scene. soo good. that close up of Hank's expression is so great. not only because he'd just been made a fool of - but also, I'm sure he must've realized how easily they got his name, number and wife's info. before even his coworkers could get there.I'm sure next ep he could be in full panic mode.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 00:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
he might be ready for the twins as a result!
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 00:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, 26 April 2010 16:53 (2 days ago)
I thought it was establishing that they have no compunctions or fears about offing law enforcement officers, foreshadowing their decision to kill Hank.
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 06:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
Ah, that's a good catch.
― Nhex, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 06:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
As far as Walt and Gale the lab assistant, does Walt have any reason whatsoever to doubt Gus's judgment? I found their level of sharing to be pretty right on.
― Jouster, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 07:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah i can't imagine it would be possible for that guy to help him cook meth and NOT learn his method. even jesse managed it and this guy is a chemist! don't see any harm in telling him
― pollos da don (tpp), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 07:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
that's true
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 09:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
Well I think it's a bit of the idea of walt not being a good criminal. Walt doesn't exactly have a patent on his formula, and he has zero use to Gus et al once they can recreate what Walt does. It's in Walt's interest to keep his secrets close to the vest, otherwise Gus will sic the cousins on him as soon as Walt can't provide new information. He's too shortsighted, too trusting.
― sandwich-american (Clay), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 10:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
I don't think Gus would sic the cousins on Walt. Having Gale learn the formula is merely a contingency plan if and when the cousins kill Walt.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 11:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
Or when Walt dies of cancer.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 12:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
good point... have they even mentioned his cancer this season?
― second toughest in the internets (another al3x), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 12:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
Not much.
One thing I found interesting is that Gus said a few episodes ago that he doesn't use fear as a motivator. It will be interesting to see if he can continue that path through these latest issues.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 28 April 2010 13:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
jesus... this show is fucked
― A-voter: An All New World (of Language) Awaits (cozen), Sunday, 2 May 2010 21:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
just got up to the season 2 ep where walter let jesse's gf choke on her own vomit o_O
gonna be a long 7 mins until the next ep starts
― second toughest in the internets (another al3x), Monday, 3 May 2010 01:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
holy shit!
― Nhex, Monday, 3 May 2010 03:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
^ what he said
― iiiijjjj, Monday, 3 May 2010 03:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
fucking AWESOME episode
― i never promised you a whinegarten (forksclovetofu), Monday, 3 May 2010 03:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
So now Hank & his boss'll think Jesse was behind the whole thing: declines to press charges, decides to call the twins instead
― too dancy, rocking, jazzy, funky or american (Myonga Vön Bontee), Monday, 3 May 2010 04:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
alright, so who dimed on the twins? Pollos?
― i never promised you a whinegarten (forksclovetofu), Monday, 3 May 2010 04:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
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― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Monday, 3 May 2010 04:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
ok. okay.i dunno why Gus would give a damn about Hank. i guess it's possible. who else would even know? maybe Walt found out and had Sal make another call???
at first when i heard the voice i thought it was his boss.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Monday, 3 May 2010 04:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
I think Gus is the one... besides nicely mirroring the phone call in the opening scene which showed that he was never on good terms with that branch of the family, he probably realized that even if the twins succeeded in killing Hank, they'd still demand to get Walt at some point - those dudes can't be placated. By giving Hank a heads-up, there was at least that chance that he could take out one or both of them. (And the flashback with the uncle was another great appearance for that actor!)
― Nhex, Monday, 3 May 2010 05:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
megalollin' @
― Sandwiches That You Will Like.(2002).XviD.torrent (govern yourself accordingly), Monday, 3 May 2010 05:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
woah that was so great! I bet it was the house-bugging guy that called hank
― Dan I., Monday, 3 May 2010 05:38 (3 years ago) Permalink
Jesus, that was ridiculously fucking intense!
― Simon H., Monday, 3 May 2010 07:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
THIS SHOW IS THE BEST THING OF ALL TIME
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Monday, 3 May 2010 10:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
fucking so unbelievably amazing...
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Monday, 3 May 2010 10:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
I watched season 2 in a short block of a few days and I'm kind of hazy on a lot of it but has this season really just taken this whole show to the next level or what?
― Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Monday, 3 May 2010 12:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
it feels like i guess a lot of big shit has gone down...after a lot of pieces being put in place.
i'm guessing now the cops go wild on hank's operation now that two people tried to kill him, obv he's on the right track etc.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Monday, 3 May 2010 12:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
xp - stop reading this thread & find out for yrself ;)
― in movie 2001 resurrect thread on planet jupiter (Pillbox), Monday, 3 May 2010 12:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
oh I'm all caught up I was just wondering if this season just seems a lot more awesome than season 2 because I wasn't paying attention enough.
― Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Monday, 3 May 2010 13:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
― too dancy, rocking, jazzy, funky or american (Myonga Vön Bontee), Monday, May 3, 2010 12:03 AM
ehh i dunno, i think they'll connect them to tuco and realize its from that. jesse's too small-time to call in something like that. also i thought the phone call to hank was the bald guy that works for gus, since he's known for tailing people
― am0n, Monday, 3 May 2010 13:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
― Sandwiches That You Will Like.(2002).XviD.torrent (govern yourself accordingly), Monday, May 3, 2010 1:14 AM
haha as soon as they showed that chart i knew there'd be a closeup of that guy
― am0n, Monday, 3 May 2010 13:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
they might make the twin's connection to Tuco, but i'm not convinced they won't assume it had something to do with Jesse aswell.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Monday, 3 May 2010 13:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
the first four eps or so have been all setup and not that great but damn when it got its tires on the ground it got ROLLIN
― i never promised you a whinegarten (forksclovetofu), Monday, 3 May 2010 15:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
ehh i dunno, i think they'll connect them to tuco and realize its from that
my guess is that this will lead the cops/DEA to connect the dots to the murder house from last ep &, if not to some direct info on Walt (they were stalking him, after all, & prob kept notes of some kind, however cryptic), at least back to the crude "Heisenberg" sketch & this will finally put Walt on their radar? Much to their credit tho & already noted in this thread is the writer's knack for thwarting conventions & mixing the pacing up in unexpected & original ways.
I think someone mentioned this as well, but another thing I've really grown to appreciate abt. this series is how rarely the writers have employed the narrative crutch of cliffhanger endings, or at least particularly gimmicky ones. I'm a sucker for that stuff, admittedly, but you know that any series of this stripe, even the good ones, would have had the last couple eps end five minutes or so earlier than the BB guys did. Like if the last ep ended w/ Hank in the parking lot waiting for the warrant to be served, or if this last one had ended on Hank counting down one minute on his car display. The tension is thick enough, naturally, w/o having to rely on such devices & if they had done so OMG the wait week to week would be fucking UNBEARABLE.
― in movie 2001 resurrect thread on planet jupiter (Pillbox), Monday, 3 May 2010 17:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
this show is fuckin boss
props 2 u gukbe
― cozen, Monday, 3 May 2010 18:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'm surprised nobody brought this up, and I'm fully prepared to be jumped on for this statement, but a big downer for me is that the women characters in the show seem to be really badly or aggravatingly written. Skyler in particular, while perfectly acted, is this archetypal wifely shrew and foil who I dread seeing every time she comes on screen.
love that they're starting to address this and skyler's sanctimoniousness this season through her relationship w/ted
― cozen, Monday, 3 May 2010 18:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
― iiiijjjj, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 00:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
Does anyone know how many episodes are in this season?
Hard to belive they've only aired seven considering how much has happened in a condensed amount of time.
― Darin, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 04:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
Six more, 13 in total.
― Nhex, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 04:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
Amazing episode (esp. the end) but I'm finding Jesse's petulance a little hard to take frankly.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 15:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
Hank is my favorite character on the show now btw. I was kind of sad when I thought he might die.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 15:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
yea, i feel like jesse's dialogue has been a little ott lately. minor gripe though, i mean this episode holy shit! hank has really become the center of everything, which is cool shift in focus.
in the av club review they said that in the opening flashback the twins' uncle was talking to gus on the phone, referring to him as a south american and "generalissimo" - you guys get all that? i remember the line about not trusting south americans but i must've been zoning out on the other details.
― second toughest in the internets (another al3x), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 16:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
he was speaking unfavorably about him with someone else i think? something like "some cook he is, more like fry cook." and then something else about how dirty south americans are.
― iiiijjjj, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 16:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
Yeah I got that too.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 17:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
ahhh that makes more sense
― second toughest in the internets (another al3x), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 17:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
"yea, i feel like jesse's dialogue has been a little ott lately."
I can't tell if they are setting up Jesse as having a death wish or just imply that he's too stupid to realize that's the natural consequence of his threats.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 17:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
it's got to be a bit of both, like when they have that great dead serious monologue about how he's going to get Hank, but throw in some Jesse-isms like "I will haunt his crusty ass FOREVER"
― Nhex, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 18:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
Jesse has always been the herald of head-up-your-ass petulant peter pan punkitude. Losing cute chick just added a great deal of self-pity to the mix.
― i never promised you a whinegarten (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 23:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
What I found weird about his rant was his saying walt had ruined his life etc. Like...seems he had nothing pre walt, now still has nothing but also is clean. He wouldn't have even met jane if it wasn't for walt!
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 07:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
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that is literally what i said to the tv. "holy shit!" that came after several bits of advice to hank while he was in the car. he didn't seem to hear me.
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 09:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
and i love how like 10 seconds before he's like "hey marie. you know what, i got a feeling things might be OK!"
cannot even imagine what skyler's going to make of all this. surely she'll suspect that walt has somehow led this violence to hank (and she'd be right).
if hank lives or dies, he'll be a hero. defended himself against and ultimately took out two high-ranking Mexican cartel members? looks like he was on the right track all along. and the department was ready to suspend him for whaling on some street-level meth punk? please. they'll be handing him back his gun on their hands and knees. but what about his fucking head? if he lives, how does this not unravel him even further?
that scene with him and marie on the bed was fucking amazing.
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 09:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
it also occurs to me that this is exactly why the mexican cartels had an admonition against hitting DEA agents. it was Gus who said the rules could be bent. will he be blamed?
regardless, if the cartel was mad at Hank before, they're going to be a weensy bitter madder at him now (or at least Tio will be)
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 10:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
laughed out loud at Saul, saying wearily, "There's no honor among thieves..
Except us of course! Heh!"
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 10:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
saul is the greatest.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 13:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
i thought the scene when Hank looses it in the elevator was def the highlight.
and Walt having to answer for what happened to Hank; never even entered my mind. that could... complicate things.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 13:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
Bob Odenkirk was born to play Saul, I think. It's the only role I've really loved him in.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 16:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
he's sort of like a real-life Simpsons character in this.
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 16:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
Totally Lionel Hutz lol.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 16:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
yea, i feel like jesse's dialogue has been a little ott lately.
― second toughest in the internets (another al3x), Tuesday, May 4, 2010 12:08 PM
his rant about what he's going to do to hank was so poorly done
― am0n, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 16:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
yes, let's forget that speech happened.
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 17:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
i think they went ott there to give an airtight excuse for walt to work with jesse again. walt can handle anything if it's thrown at him in the moment, but he has zero tolerance for premeditated action.
― i never promised you a whinegarten (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 19:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
Yeah but the airtight excuse was that Jesse was going to roll on him. The crawling out of the jungle and popping a lawsuit on Hank's ass thing was just poorly written/acted.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 19:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, I thought both of his monologues were a bit overdone, like they felt the need to overcompensate for his being bedridden all episode
― too dancy, rocking, jazzy, funky or american (Myonga Vön Bontee), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 20:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
i thought it was ok.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 20:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
i agree with what Nhex said. it's Jesse trying to sound very dramatic and serious but falling short because, well, he's Jesse Pinkman.
he must have been feeling pretty helpless in the hospital after what he'd been through, and i'd imagine he was making a bid to be taken seriously. but he's not exactly the best orator the world has known.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 20:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
^exactly! Paul nailed the mix pretty much perfectly.
Also, the second speech WAS pretty righteous - Jesse in his Cap'n Cook days didn't have people constantly trying to kill him, he wasn't being put in the hospital after being severely beaten because of Walt (this is the second time!), he was just a small fry and likely would've continued to be a petty criminal cooking chili meth. He had no Scarface aspirations until Walt showed up. True, at least he's clean now, but he's also closer than ever to getting killed by cartel goons and going to jail for decades.
― Nhex, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 21:38 (3 years ago) Permalink
i was fine with the second speech. The first one just was so longgggggggg. We get it, you're gonna make things tough on Hank.
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 22:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
and his crusty ass.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 22:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
just rewatching this. agree with too long on the first speech. i see the reasoning about jesse overdoing it for a reason, savoring the upper hand and all. i could maybe even see the dialogue working with a different delivery -- i just didn't buy it. if anything he was too verbose and collected. odenkirk's reaction was perfect though!
loved walt countering skyler's "hank's your family" line with "not currently." and i also learned that women who like to get peed on are always from the warmer climates.
― second toughest in the internets (another al3x), Thursday, 6 May 2010 03:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
man sometimes i forget the subtext for pretty much every conversation walt has had with jesse this season is letting jane die. i wonder if jesse will ever find out. watch your crusty ass, walt.
― second toughest in the internets (another al3x), Thursday, 6 May 2010 03:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
i hope jesse, hank, and the surviving twin don't all end up in the hospital together next ep. but then i kinda do
― second toughest in the internets (another al3x), Thursday, 6 May 2010 04:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
one problem I wondered about is the logistics of jesse cooking at Gus's meth HQ. Surely he'll be tailed by the DEA at all times? And if they follow him to the HQ, they're bound to see Walt and connect them both to Gus.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 6 May 2010 04:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
surviving twin - ??
Assuming you're not talking about the dude whose cranium we were treated to an overhead interior shot of, you must be referring to the one whose torso was basically sectioned in half by Hank's truck? I can't see him walking away from that, unless, of course, you know something I don't..
― in movie 2001 resurrect thread on planet jupiter (Pillbox), Thursday, 6 May 2010 04:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
He probably knows that the preview for next week's ep shows the surviving twin with menacing glare ripping out his IV.
― keythhtyek, Thursday, 6 May 2010 04:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
that was driving me nuts, I couldn't remember where I'd seen the gun seller before: he's one of the creepy twins from Always Sunny in Philadelphia!
― i never promised you a whinegarten (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 6 May 2010 04:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
MacPoyls! Yeah I shouldn't have inquired abt the twin - there is a reason I skip the previews.
― in movie 2001 resurrect thread on planet jupiter (Pillbox), Thursday, 6 May 2010 04:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, May 5, 2010 4:35 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark
this is 100%. its like hes the first honest & ethical person in the show
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Saturday, 8 May 2010 06:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
that's why it seemed totally imminent was he going to die!
― Nhex, Saturday, 8 May 2010 07:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
i dont know, that would have been pretty cheap, to cut the audience out seconds after giving them a character worth investing in (finally!) I mean i could understand w/ a longer arc, but that would have been super tacky in literally the next major scene
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Saturday, 8 May 2010 16:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
how did i not see this:http://www.bettercallsaul.com/
― s.clover, Saturday, 8 May 2010 18:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
― Let’s all be friends and hang out often. (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 8 May 2010 18:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Saturday, 8 May 2010 19:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
lmao @ 'office webcam' -- "francesca ... find a better video poker app for me. one thats more fair."
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Saturday, 8 May 2010 19:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
oh that badger!!
― Nhex, Saturday, 8 May 2010 20:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
Enjoying this season loads, but it hasn't topped 2 for me yet.
― i would rather burn than spend eternity with god and rapists (chap), Sunday, 9 May 2010 12:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
man gustavo is a g
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Monday, 10 May 2010 06:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
ok - at first i thought Gus was getting rid of the twins because he wanted to keep Walt around - but this is a little ott! i would hope he had been planning all this stuff for a while, regardless of the Walt situation.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Monday, 10 May 2010 14:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
i like gus's "now shake my hand and thank me"
― A. U. Khan (am0n), Monday, 10 May 2010 14:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
lol @ s'all good man
― A. U. Khan (am0n), Monday, 10 May 2010 14:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
Jesse was flat out hilarious this episode.
― i would rather burn than spend eternity with god and rapists (chap), Monday, 10 May 2010 15:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
this show has made me wanna finish a phone call by ripping my cell in half so bad
― iiiijjjj, Monday, 10 May 2010 15:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
^^^^^otm
― щ(ﾟДﾟщ) srs face (cozen), Monday, 10 May 2010 15:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
why did walter not suspect jesse had something to do w/hank's getting shot?
― щ(ﾟДﾟщ) srs face (cozen), Monday, 10 May 2010 21:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
maybe cuz he looooooves jessie?
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, 10 May 2010 22:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
walt surprisingly quickly picked up the connection b/w Tuco and the cousins. also it's not like Jesse has the connections or brains to pull that off
― Nhex, Monday, 10 May 2010 22:21 (3 years ago) Permalink
Does Gus realize that Walt's hired the same guy that Hank beat up?
― Darin, Monday, 10 May 2010 22:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
I mean he must, right? But won't that connection endanger his operation?
― Darin, Monday, 10 May 2010 22:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
Gus is so ahead of everybody in this game, that's why there was that assumption that Gale was planted to eventually replace Walt in the meth factory. Surely Gus knows about Jesse and how unstable he is, and probably has reasons for allowing Walt this much leeway for now (compared to his opinion of Jesse from last season), though maybe since Jesse is clean now he's more lenient. Or plans to kill them both anyway, who knows?
― Nhex, Monday, 10 May 2010 22:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
gus knows
― щ(ﾟДﾟщ) srs face (cozen), Monday, 10 May 2010 22:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
Right - I totally forgot about Gus meeting Jesse at the restaurant in season 2.
― Darin, Monday, 10 May 2010 23:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
not really feelin the skyler/walt detente in the hospital waiting room, but the character development with hank and marie this season has been a+
loved the fryer's eye view of gus taking the call from the cartel boss too - it gets said, but seriously some of the best direction and set design anywhere on tv
― Sandwiches That You Will Like.(2002).XviD.torrent (govern yourself accordingly), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 01:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
this season so far is four not so great episodes and three great ones i like where we're going here
― ₣õ®₭§©₤¤∵釰ƒü (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 03:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
― A. U. Khan (am0n), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 16:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
― cozen, Tuesday, 11 May 2010 16:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
it's like all shiny up in here!
― in movie 2001 resurrect thread on planet jupiter (Pillbox), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 17:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
Wow it's like Walt is just addicted to lying.
― The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Friday, 14 May 2010 21:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
good ep...i guess walt is safe for now.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Saturday, 15 May 2010 08:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
totally kafkaesque... majorly
― Billy Crystals (another al3x), Monday, 17 May 2010 02:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
i loved the moment where they both leaned in to hear skyler's story of WALT GAMBLOR THE MASTER GAMBLER
― forksclovetofu, Monday, 17 May 2010 03:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
Yes!
― Myonga Vön Bontee, Monday, 17 May 2010 04:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah that was hilarious
scene with Badger and Skinny Pete at the recovery meeting was evil!
― Nhex, Monday, 17 May 2010 04:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
"stay strong bro"
― forksclovetofu, Monday, 17 May 2010 13:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
Sober Jesse's way more petulant and downright nasty than fucked-up Jesse, huh?
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Monday, 17 May 2010 14:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
felt like a callout to the dickensian aspect, which made it funnier if anything.
― s.clover, Tuesday, 18 May 2010 01:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
getting bored with jesse
― jeff, Tuesday, 18 May 2010 04:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
Jesse just seems so completely fucking dumb. Like what tiny amount of cash is he going to make selling meth to his rehab group?
Really like the writing and acting for the rehab therapist dude...
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 07:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
He kind of makes me think of Sam Shepherd.
This ep was phenomenal.. Walt has been waiting months and months to hear Skyler say what she said to Marie about him.
Agreed about Jesse being a complete fucking imbecile. I guess getting clean and becoming "the bad guy" didn't result in an automatic brains upgrade. He is sooooo going to fuck things up. I wonder if Walt is going to have to choose... between Jesse and Gus.
― The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 18 May 2010 09:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
selling meth out of his house isn't about the cash for jessie, it's about engaging in self-destructive, i am important behavior
the first thing jessie did this season was to get out of rehab, buy his parents house and kick them out. so yeah, he's moved into shepherd cartoon world.
― forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 18 May 2010 12:57 (3 years ago) Permalink
breaking bad moving to abc!!
― The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Friday, 21 May 2010 16:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
Ha ha! Love the Jesse montage especially.
― Darin, Friday, 21 May 2010 16:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
looooool
― iiiijjjj, Friday, 21 May 2010 16:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
goes well with the wire sitcom
― forksclovetofu, Friday, 21 May 2010 17:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
excellent
― Nhex, Friday, 21 May 2010 19:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
O'Possum: why do they gotta go changing everything?
― in movie 2001 resurrect thread on planet jupiter (Pillbox), Monday, 24 May 2010 04:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
Great episode! I usually hate the idea of set pieces and studies of character psyche, but this was brilliant.
― Dan I., Monday, 24 May 2010 06:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
directed by Rian Johnson (Brick/Brothers Bloom). Great episode, atypical without being too showy.
― Simon H., Monday, 24 May 2010 07:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
good episode, I though, tho opinion seems mixed
― cozen, Monday, 24 May 2010 11:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
i was way tired and kinda drunk and nodded off at some point in this ep. half hour of fly swatting seemed pretty dud though. will give it another run tonight.
― like a guttenberg, strong with your mane (another al3x), Monday, 24 May 2010 14:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
interesting ep. i could have done without all the random camera tricks.i did like how they toyed with us - making us think Walter was going to spill the beans about watching chicky die.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Monday, 24 May 2010 18:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
was sort of frustratingly low on plot but a decent episode i guess, i found walt's descent into being mental a bit sudden and disconnected from how he's been in previous ep.
i enjoyed this ep but i dunno...it makes me worry a bit for the future of the show for some reason.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Monday, 24 May 2010 22:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
this ep would probably work better if you were just plowing through the season on dvd but as far as my only breaking bad ep for the week, it was disappointing and now i am sad
― jeff, Monday, 24 May 2010 22:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
otm....after that terrible lost finale this wasn't the ep you wanted to see!
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Monday, 24 May 2010 22:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
I thought it was brilliant episode! After a string of very fraught and eventful episodes it was really great to settle into a groove of Walt/Jesse interaction. And by the end, I was feeling genuine tension over whether or not they were going to get the fly. Remember we're about to hit the final three eps, and I think this provided a deliberate low-key breather before whatever the climax is going to bring us (not that it wasn't fairly intense in its own way). This show is the king of pacing.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Monday, 24 May 2010 23:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
Also it offered a chance to thoroughly take stock of the two leads' current mental states.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Monday, 24 May 2010 23:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
I thought they earned this episode. Needed a breather anyway.
― forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 25 May 2010 02:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
eh, i thought the last episode gave us plenty of time to catch our breath. i understand they're just trying to demonstrate walt's guilt-driven existential crisis, but did they have to shut down plot progression for the entire hour? also yeah camera tricks blargh - why do i need to see a shoe being tossed up at the fly from the fly's perspective? so i can empathize with the fly? also, the facial flyswatting three stooges routine was unforgivably corny. unforgivably!
― iiiijjjj, Tuesday, 25 May 2010 02:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
the fly represents the ungraspable moment, yadda yadda yadda
― forksclovetofu, Tuesday, 25 May 2010 03:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
I forgave it.
― Jouster, Tuesday, 25 May 2010 05:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
The fly represents Walt getting comically exasperated.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Tuesday, 25 May 2010 16:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
this was great ya'll fkn crazy.
― Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Tuesday, 25 May 2010 18:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
I liked it. Good snapshot into what's going on in Walt's mind.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 25 May 2010 19:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
i thought the fly might actually be gus's "bug" cuz of the magnifying glass shots of it at the beginning and then walt bringing it up at the end regarding jesse stealing. good episode tho
― ( ｀ハ´)☞ ☜(´∀｀☜) (am0n), Tuesday, 25 May 2010 19:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
Fucking awesome.
A lot of shows have low-budg episodes and this was it. Just two actors and a room. Wow. Hilarious too.
― The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 25 May 2010 21:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
tried again and it was decent. think i dozed off before any of the jane stuff last time, which was good. kinda wanna go back and watch the scene with walt + jane's dad again now. also loved walt's "there must be some combination of words" line of thinking.
were they were deliberately recalling those major pieces of last season to set up the final few eps? really hope chap is right on the pacing there, but i'm worried like garda (xposts) -- the fly gimmick was stretched and the last two eps have felt drained of narrative tension compared to the first half of the season.
― like a guttenberg, strong with your mane (another al3x), Wednesday, 26 May 2010 18:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
i thought the fly might actually be gus's "bug"
was the last shot implying walt thought that also?
― like a guttenberg, strong with your mane (another al3x), Wednesday, 26 May 2010 18:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
very slow ep, understand why people wouldn't like it. but i forgave it for some really juicy monologue portions and the need for a breather ep before the final stretch
― Nhex, Thursday, 27 May 2010 00:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
also yeah, how random was it that rian johnson directed this, probably explains all the funky camera angles
― Nhex, Thursday, 27 May 2010 00:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
i thought the last shot was to indicate that walt's cancer is spreading because the fly wasn't actually there right? i thought it was fantastic. walt's been semi-oblivious or in denial about the path of destruction he's created and when he was loosened up by the sleeping pills he seemed to reacquaint himself with the idea of being human.
― keythhtyek, Thursday, 27 May 2010 02:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
cancer relapse would draw skyler back in...
― like a guttenberg, strong with your mane (another al3x), Thursday, 27 May 2010 03:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
I'd actually be kind of annoyed if that happens, would seem like a huge step backward narratively - the kind of wishy-washy plot stuff you'd expect from lesser TV dramas to keep it going. Gilligan said last year he was still on track to end the show at season 4.
― Nhex, Thursday, 27 May 2010 04:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
"Yo we're making meth here, not space shuttles"
― The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 27 May 2010 12:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
The cancer reappearing is kind of what Walt wants at this point, and Gilligan has made the point several times that the writers aren't going to let him off that easily.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Thursday, 27 May 2010 12:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
I love when Jesse goes on about the Discovery Channel, Hyenas licking each other's junk etc. Episode was kind of annoying me initially but once i realized it was gonna be one of those set-piece affairs i enjoyed it more.
― Number None, Friday, 28 May 2010 21:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
Awesome episode. Esp. loved Saul/Skyler meeting.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, 31 May 2010 14:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah so funny. loved walter going to dinner with gus too, like they are best buds or something!
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Monday, 31 May 2010 14:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
more like or something; walt looked terrified throughoutSkyler joining the family business was a twist i didn't see coming but they've made it fairly plausible over the season.
― forksclovetofu, Monday, 31 May 2010 14:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
also ws jesse's new gf
― forksclovetofu, Monday, 31 May 2010 15:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
terrified but then realising he is enjoying the conversation i'd have said. can see gus and walt becoming buddies.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Monday, 31 May 2010 15:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
i can see gus telling walt he's going to have jesse killed
― forksclovetofu, Monday, 31 May 2010 15:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
^^ ding ding ding
― in movie 2001 resurrect thread on planet jupiter (Pillbox), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 16:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
there's no way Walt would take that well.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 16:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
I want to try Gus' Chilean fish stew.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 19:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah bigtime!
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 21:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
i want to meet gus' kids! and, also, to have some of the fish stew
― Lamp, Wednesday, 2 June 2010 00:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
got the netflick of 1st season disc one. first episode was ok, dunno if i can continue unless something bad is going to happen to the wife because i hate her. don't tell me though.
― harbl, Saturday, 5 June 2010 22:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
Stop watching. Your never going to like the show.
FWIW, I like Skylers character a lot.
― Jeff, Saturday, 5 June 2010 22:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
:(
― harbl, Saturday, 5 June 2010 22:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
Actually, don't stop watching, the show is fantastic. Just close your eyes everytime there is a Skyler scene.
― Jeff, Saturday, 5 June 2010 23:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
I really hated Skyler until about the end of season 2, and her big showcase in "IFT" this season was so badass that I now consider her one of my favorite characters.
― billy, Saturday, 5 June 2010 23:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
Don't LOVE her now, but generally agree - after you're caught up with the show, you can read my rantings about the character after season 2 ended, further up in the thread. It honestly was the one thing that kept from really classifying this as a truly great show - absolutely despised the character - and they finally started addressing it this season - she's a much better character now.
― Nhex, Sunday, 6 June 2010 01:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
Skyler is a shit human and an interesting character
― I have been forks-style since day one (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 6 June 2010 05:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
jesus dude!
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Sunday, 6 June 2010 05:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
post-twins, I kinda hate everyone on this show
― jeff, Sunday, 6 June 2010 06:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
i watched 2 and 3 and they were much better. i still hate her, though. i don't think i'll be able to stop watching it now but it's hard, i think my tolerance for horribleness is low atm. the bathtub goo thing omg!
― harbl, Sunday, 6 June 2010 13:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
tbh i wish i had 2 dvds at a time because now it's gonna be until wednesday i can't watch another
― harbl, Sunday, 6 June 2010 13:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
What do you not like about Skylar?
― Jeff, Sunday, 6 June 2010 14:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
to be fair skyler is basically awful and 1-dimensional in episode 1
― The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 6 June 2010 14:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
as is hank
Yeah that's one thing I love about this show, how my loyalties/sympathies/interests have shifted amongst characters. Season 1 was all about Walter, then in season 2 it was Jesse, and now it's the "secondary" characters like Skyler and Hank that I want to watch more of.
― billy, Sunday, 6 June 2010 14:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah she is awful and 1-dimensional, i think she could have been awful without being 1-dimensional and i would feel better about her
― harbl, Sunday, 6 June 2010 14:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
I'll give you one dimensional, especially early on, but I fail to see why she is awful. In what regards?
― Jeff, Sunday, 6 June 2010 15:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
really?! maybe you mean the acting is not awful (it's not) but i mean she is an awful person without question. nagging wife stereotype, "mom," giving handjob while paying attention to ebay, buys veggie bacon, clueless about real life, etc. i understand that's how it has to be because you can't have a mid-life crisis nightmare story w/o the guy's wife totally sucking but it doesn't make it less painful to watch (& that's why it's good, of course).
― harbl, Sunday, 6 June 2010 16:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
"mom" characters generally make me cringe irl and on tv!
― harbl, Sunday, 6 June 2010 17:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
er, rearrange that, i'm not cringing on tv
― harbl, Sunday, 6 June 2010 17:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
she is shrewy for sure but stick it out cause she does eventually get hers, in fact everyone gets theirs (save for poor wittle walter junior, which is a shame cause he's a major putz who needs to get one life imo)
― del griffith, Sunday, 6 June 2010 18:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
xp - funny... similar disagreement i have with my sister about skyler and betty draper, both of whom she identifies with much more as a wife + mom. sky has come a long way since ep1 though, keep watching!
i will be disappointed if they don't do anything else with walt jr. even if it's something as contrived as the rehab gf/combo connection... but pleased to say i'm excited for this week's ep again after the lull, which might not be such a lull on a dvd run through or whatever.
― like a guttenberg, strong with your mane (another al3x), Sunday, 6 June 2010 21:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
she identifies with skyler? oh no.
yeah harbl, i agreed with you pretty much 100%... unfortunately you're gonna have to tolerate it for quite a while, but the show is totally worth it. also, the seasons are relatively short.
― Nhex, Sunday, 6 June 2010 21:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
at least skyler's not as bad as will's wife in glee, who I see they've now all but killed off she was so bad
― idg 77 per cent of SNs (cozen), Sunday, 6 June 2010 21:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
finally caught up with last week's. so good.
marie to hank as he tries (and fails) to walk: "pain is just injury leaving your body!" hank: "pain is my foot up your ass, marie!!"
what did gus mean about making the same mistake twice? working with jesse i guess?
i was shocked to see jane. that's two people they've brought back from the dead (in flashback) this season. goddamn jesse had a good thing there huh?
the scene where BROCK and the grandmom walk in was AYOOOO CLASSIC. what is going on with jesse here? his brain is seriously malfunctioning. these guys used to know all the shitty motels and hangout spots and squats to sell to, but jesse needs to pull some kind of undercover three-day espionage shit just to sell one little deal? this is his plan??
i was convinced that when jesse get given the rock at the end he was going to look down and see blue stuff.
― The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 6 June 2010 22:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
oh also can i just say i am glad that jesse appears to have a shred of humanity remaining.
― The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 6 June 2010 22:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
isn't jesse's idea that they keep things more private so they're not on the streets dealing and attracting the type of people who killed his buddy?
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Sunday, 6 June 2010 22:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
that's two people they've brought back from the dead (in flashback) this season.
I make it three (Jane, Combo and Tortuga).
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Monday, 7 June 2010 00:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
i would like to point out that like everyone on this show is a shit human and an interesting character.
― I have been forks-style since day one (forksclovetofu), Monday, 7 June 2010 00:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
after the ending to tonight's episode i'm thinkin walt oughta forget about the car wash and invest in a windshield replacement business instead
― del griffith, Monday, 7 June 2010 03:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
i was worried with the goofy handshake thing but then they reaffirmed my faith with the ending. no more half measures.
― keythhtyek, Monday, 7 June 2010 03:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
wooooah! "Run." goddamn, now we have to wait a week.
― Simon H., Monday, 7 June 2010 06:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
mind is blown
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Monday, 7 June 2010 08:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
ffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuckkkkkkkkkkkking hell
― idg 77 per cent of SNs (cozen), Monday, 7 June 2010 09:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
watching these late, but just finished watching the episode with the first appearance of Saul Goodman. Holy shit.
― louiiiis jjjjagger (S-), Monday, 7 June 2010 11:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
Walt is ICE COLD.
So much plot and character beats fitted into less than an hour, yet it never for a second felt rushed. How do the writers do it? I am in awe.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Monday, 7 June 2010 14:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
oh man that ending SO GOOD. this show and its HOLY SHIT moments!
― Nhex, Monday, 7 June 2010 14:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
xp right on man, i was constantly surprised how many things were happening, and that the episode kept going
― Nhex, Monday, 7 June 2010 14:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
Had a good chortle at Skylar Wikipediaing money laundering.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Monday, 7 June 2010 14:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
hah me too. also gotta love BB's trademark blatant foreshadowing too: 1)"i'd use mom's car, but you know the brakes are like EEEKKKKKKKK" 2)walt's immensely massive denial in "I am not a murderer, you are not a murderer"
― Nhex, Monday, 7 June 2010 14:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
run
― idg 77 per cent of SNs (cozen), Monday, 7 June 2010 14:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
so A) how does this not get traced back to Walt's car? and B) how does Gus not blame Jesse for this?
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Monday, 7 June 2010 17:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
rip walt's latest windshield
― Simon H., Monday, 7 June 2010 19:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Monday, June 7, 2010 5:39 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
i dunno, i kinda figure that by this point, having now done what they've done, walt & jesse are basically in it to win it and they're gonna have taken over the entire southwest operation by the middle of next season, with hank in tow and gus's scalp on their belt
― del griffith, Monday, 7 June 2010 19:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
i noticed the meet with Jesse did not warrant veggies and dip.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Monday, 7 June 2010 19:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
i thought walt would blame the deaths on jesse somehow...like maybe he was just protecting him and now will cut him loose. or maybe he's hoping he knows enough about gus to talk his way out of the repercussions.
i fucking LOVED saul's fixer guy's story...so well written and so well acted, he is a brilliant character. this whole ep was amazing tho, BB's grim montages with happy music are growing in confidence each episode!
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Monday, 7 June 2010 19:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
The Association opening was stellar.
― Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 00:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
also the score during that final confrontation.
― Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 00:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
I forgot to chime in: fuuuuuuuck
I mean, that shit was more surprising than anything that ever happened in for example, lost, and it made total sense. Gosh, it's been a while since any tv made me feel like that. This show is amazing.
― The nation's most valiant right back (Suedey 2), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 15:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
So. . . does anyone think that Walt is overestimating his importance here? Sure Gus would like to have the "best" chemist working for him, but couldn't he make do with someone else (like the assistant guy who Walt ditched)?
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 15:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
I'm re-watching a bit of S1. The tone has evolved a lot, it was more of a black farce in the early days. And yes, Skylar was way worse back then. Forgotten about all the Marie shoplifting stuff, that turned out to be kind of pointless.
xpost - think to some extent Walt just fancied a bit of suicidal craziness. He's been unusually cautious all season and hasn't done anything pointlessly self-destructive for a while.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 15:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
I really loved that bit from the Fly episode where he just flat out says "I've lived too long." Really just laid it out on the table there. But really this is a natural consequence of everything that's been happening since the end of season two - despite Jesse constantly putting them at risk and his betrayals, Walt has already basically accepted him as part of his own family, and rationality and caution be damned.
― Nhex, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 16:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
He cares for Jesse a hell of a lot more than he'd admit to anyone, least of all himself.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 16:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
When Gus said 'no more children' to the two dealers, did he actually mean them to go and do what they did, on the assumption that they'd tie up any loose ends and then continue without using any kids, or were they just assuming that's what they should do, or just purposefully perpetuating the thing with Jessie...
― The nation's most valiant right back (Suedey 2), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 16:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah that's the real mystery there. I assume it will be cleared up next ep (just like the fact that they were dealing the blue meth was cleared up this ep.)
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 16:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
xxp you think? I think it's pretty obvious to everyone concerned that he cares a ton about Jesse to basically his own detriment.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 16:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
It puzzled me too - I read a theory on a blog that maybe Tomas took issue with being cut loose and kicked off the altercation, which makes sense.
xpost - yeah, everyone else sees it, but Walt doesn't.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 16:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
"I read a theory on a blog that maybe Tomas took issue with being cut loose and kicked off the altercation, which makes sense"
Pretty sure they could of handled Tomas without murdering him. Dude was 11.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 16:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
yes but that would be a half measure
― jeff, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 17:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
ha!
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 18:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
wouldn't they just kill him cos why keep him alive if you can't work with him anymore and he knows you? i didn't think it much of a mystery.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 18:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
i'm wondering what the point of P.I. guys speech was now. was he insinuating Walt should kill Jesse? what actions was he trying to talk Walt into?
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 18:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
did he think Gus's mediation was a half measure - or Walt letting Jess do whatever with those dealers?
i figured he was saying time to kill jesse, he had become a liability. but i guess the effect of the speech could just as easily have made walt do what he did.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 18:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
"wouldn't they just kill him cos why keep him alive if you can't work with him anymore and he knows you?"
Sure but they didn't have to kill him in such a public way.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 18:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah i guess that's true, any chance gus set this up to get jesse/walt to kill the two dudes?
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 18:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
That seems very hard for me to believe. Why wouldn't he just let Jesse go through with his stupid risin plan if that's the result he wanted?
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 18:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah you're right. just idly speculating really. i honestly can't see where walt/jesse are going to go now.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 18:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
Walt seems to be working off the idea that he's either untouchable or he doesn't have anything to lose (except of course his family's lives. . . ) Jesse is just going to have to leave town.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 18:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
My guess is that Walt has picked up on Gus' innate sense of business, and that Gus already has a bit of a mentor fondness (or weakness) for Walt, in a similar dimension that Walt has with Jesse. Walt is probably hoping (or will, quite possibly he'll be super panicked next episode if he hasn't thought this through!) he can still negotiate with Gus, or at least stave him off for a while.
Gus' dealing with the Jesse situation was the first time we really saw cracks in his armor - it's possible he's just not cut out for the street level stuff, like Heisenberg. Maybe he made similar, horrible mistakes in his past as has been alluded to. I don't think he manipulated the situation, it seems more likely he managed it badly - a half-measure, with the pathetically vague "no kids" line, though before Jesse's "NO!" Gus was as scary and bad-ass as we've ever seen him.
― Nhex, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 19:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
I don't usually watch the Sneak Peeks on AMC btw, but the one for next ep is well worth it.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 19:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
we're assuming Gus will figure out Walt had something to do with it. if Walt can get his car fixed quickly (probably by that mechanic they keep torturing) and/or dispose of the bodies well enough; i think the assumption would be Jesse is to blame. esp if he goes m.i.a.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 19:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
oh ya - s03 finale is next ep!!!
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 19:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
aw, now i'm sad.
btw total raised eyebrow at "I am a not a murderer" from Walt.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 19:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
love sarcastic hank - "yeah, that's exactly what i'm saying. now deal you little prick." the hj thing was lol, but kind of a silly way to get him out of the hospital i thought.
minor point, this ep was obv awesome and i can't wait til the finale.
― like a guttenberg, strong with your mane (another al3x), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 00:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
NICE! (finale preview)
http://www.amctv.com/videos/breaking-bad/
― Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 00:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
Cannot be viewed from my current country or location. Probably for the best.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 00:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
It's not a spoiler or anything. One long & quiet landscapey scene a la Terrence Malick. But intriguing!
― Hadrian VIII, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 01:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
It certainly implies quite a bit.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 9 June 2010 04:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
Wow. Brian Cranston is a really good actor. That minute or so at the beginning of the preview clip where he sits and waits in his smashed Aztec for whatever is coming over the horizon was great. You could tell Walt was scared, and probably not scared enough, but also irritated that the person he was waiting for was late, which is kind of Walt in a nutshell. When he grabbed his hat, I said, "Heisenberg hat!!!" and that was pretty great, too.
I'm super excited about this season finale. And a little apprehensive. Shit's going to be tense. It's called Full Measures!!! Yikes.
that shit was more surprising than anything that ever happened in for example, lost, and it made total sense.
OTM
― sinister chemical wisdom (Jenny), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 13:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
Just got caught up w/ the latest ep & yeah.. u guys have pretty much said it all already. Goddam this show fucking rules!
It's called Full Measures!!! Yikes.
^^
― 5 x 15-second shits, max fart (Pillbox), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 17:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
My thoughts on Tomas: My take on this is that the local kingpins resented being told what to do (obv), so they just "followed orders" by exploiting a loophole that would just be one big "FU" to Jesse. They had to know that he'd come back on them at some point, but these do not seem to be men who think strategically in terms of long-term consequences.
― 5 x 15-second shits, max fart (Pillbox), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 17:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
much like Jesse.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 20:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
either that or Gus told the local druglords to off the kid, knowing that Jesse would go apeshit and do something inclredibly stupid that would justify killing him
― The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 22:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
"either that or Gus told the local druglords to off the kid"
Seems very unlike Gus to me, but I guess we'll find out on Sunday.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 22:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah i was just thinking about gus's way of trying to get rid of the cousins (and possibly hank) - by setting them against each other
jesse standing up to gus at the meet was just frickin whoa
― The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 22:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
first time i've seen gus even slightly rattled
― The Clegg Effect (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 10 June 2010 07:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
omg i'm caught up. i don't know what to say: this series has been near-perfect
i'm having trouble convincing other ppl i know irl to watch this. some have watched the first season and found it too depressing and disliked the family side of things. JUST HAVE TO KEEP WATCHING FFS
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Thursday, 10 June 2010 22:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
i just finished watching disc 2, 3 episodes in a row. lol.
― harbl, Thursday, 10 June 2010 22:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
"i'm having trouble convincing other ppl i know irl to watch this"
Me too strangely! Even my wife goes to the other room when its on.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 10 June 2010 22:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
I had to skip some episodes in the Tucco story arc because the depiction of insane, dangerous, meth-addled crazy people was a little too accurate for my comfort, so I can kind of understand that.
xp and sometimes I have to go into another room when things get really intense! I still love the show, but yeah. It's hard to watch sometimes.
― sinister chemical wisdom (Jenny), Thursday, 10 June 2010 22:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
ya - my gf admits it's a quality show, but she can't handle watching it.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Thursday, 10 June 2010 22:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
the depictions of bodily fluids are really amazing throughout
― harbl, Thursday, 10 June 2010 22:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
also i wanted to cry when hugo got arrested!
― harbl, Thursday, 10 June 2010 22:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, I came this close to bailing at the end of S1. Though the second and third episodes were wicked, but the rest didn't entirely convince me. So glad I stuck with it; it was the ep where they were trapped in the desert with Tucco which made me realise how extraordinary it is.
xposts - I have convinced one IRL friend to watch it, and he's as hooked as me now. Everyone else kind of balks when they hear 'Dad from Malcolm in the Middle'.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Thursday, 10 June 2010 22:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah i def struggled to watch some of the more intense scenes earlier on in the show. now i think i'm a bit more used to it i just sit there with my jaw on the floor most of the time.
the pacing of this episode, and of this season really, has been so so spot on.
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Thursday, 10 June 2010 22:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
some have watched the first season and found it too depressing
yeah I shotgunned the first season over the course of a weekend w/my gf half watching over my shoulder and she says she can't watch it now cos it really bummed her out
― flamelurker (cozen), Thursday, 10 June 2010 22:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
i feel like the show only really developed the sense of humour it has now in season two but i might just not be remembering right
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Thursday, 10 June 2010 22:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
i watched first two seasons in the middle of a 3 week sickness in jan...i never find it depressing or affecting. like, not that i'm a sociopath, i do see it is dark and not a happy show but i get a great joy from the quality of the storytelling. my friend in work says she feels like vomiting when she watches it.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 10 June 2010 22:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
i totally felt for jesse in the scene in the car where walt was all "you know jesse, your actions do affect other people". jesse is the only one who actually cares about the consequences of his actions!
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Thursday, 10 June 2010 22:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
the whole thing has brought jesse nothing but absolute misery its actually so depressing isn't it
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Thursday, 10 June 2010 22:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
Jesse seems like the kind of guy who would've figured out a way to screw up his life regardless, but yeah there is no denying that Walt hasn't exactly set him on a road to life success.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 10 June 2010 22:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
well he (was) clean and also rich...when walt met him he was prob worse off again. it's impossible to blame walt imo, eg he'd never have met jane if it wasn't for getting involved with walt either.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 10 June 2010 22:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
he turned out to not be a very good "the bad guy" tho i guess.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Thursday, 10 June 2010 22:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
xposts
http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=40&threadid=80959#unread
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Thursday, 10 June 2010 22:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
"it's impossible to blame walt imo, eg he'd never have met jane if it wasn't for getting involved with walt either"
Wouldn't not having met Jane been a good thing? Not just for him, but also her and a whole plane full of people!
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 10 June 2010 22:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
crediting Walt for Jess meeting Jane is a little too "butterfly flapping it's wings" to be credible.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Thursday, 10 June 2010 22:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
I've been trying to skim this thread fast enough to avoid spoilers, but the general OMG SO GOOD tone on this thread prompted me to get S1 yesterday.
― Grisly Addams (WmC), Thursday, 10 June 2010 22:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah of course, i agree, but so is blaming walt for jesse's current status.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 10 June 2010 23:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
That isn't what I said. I said that being in business Walt hasn't improved Jesse's life. It's pretty to hard to argue otherwise.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 10 June 2010 23:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
not that hard, he's richer, he's not a meth-head anymore. he has a pretty massive financial foundation to fall back on which would be a major help if he decides to start sorting out his psychological/emotional probs.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 10 June 2010 23:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
"he's not a meth-head anymore"
Uh did you not watch the last episode? We'll see if stays clean long term.
I think his psychological/emotional problems have only been compounded since knowing Walt. Money's not really much of a solution for those kinds of issues.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 10 June 2010 23:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
Reckon Jesse's pretty much responsible for his own fate - he has just as much capacity for making poor decisions as Walt, though he's a far less extraordinary person so his bad decisions have smaller-scale effects. Walt's never really coerced him into doing anything, as Jesse is the person Walt is most honest with, and Walt uses duplicity to coerce.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Thursday, 10 June 2010 23:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
where would he be without walt? prob even worse off...
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 10 June 2010 23:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
Worse off than his suicidally self-destructive current self? I guess I don't see it.
"Reckon Jesse's pretty much responsible for his own fate"
Totally agree, but I think that at the same time that choosing to align his fate with Walt has not resulted in much benefit (beyond money.)
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 11 June 2010 17:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
Jesse living out his days as Capn' Cook, at worst he'd be in jail without meeting Walt. As he said earlier this season, he didn't have people constantly beating the crap out of him and/or trying to kill him, his game never would've been elevated to that level besides being pushed around by low-level guys like Crazy 8
― Nhex, Friday, 11 June 2010 18:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
the way i see it is Jess was never destined for big things on his own. Walt shows up and actually accomplishes some stuff with Jessy. so now instead of Jessy having the small problems of a small-time nobody cook - he has the bigass problems of a big time meth producer. his natural tendency is to fuck things up - Walt has only given Jess the opportunity to screw up and suffer on a much larger scale.
xpost!
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Friday, 11 June 2010 18:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
but jesse took the opportunity. jesse introduced walt to that world at the beginning. they are a partnership.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Saturday, 12 June 2010 00:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
jesse doesnt bring anything to the partnership anymore now that gus is involved
time for jesse's funeral
― jeff, Saturday, 12 June 2010 05:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
^^^this is true, but i would still be really surprised if jesse is killed. not that BB has ever failed to surprise of course!
i think saving him will take greater recognition on walt's part of how son-like jesse has become to him (thinking of the lecture in the car last ep).
― like a guttenberg, strong with your mane (another al3x), Saturday, 12 June 2010 19:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
I feel like axing jesse is the right way to go here. The only thing that would really surprise me would be if Walt died. Or Gus.
― I have been forks-style since day one (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 12 June 2010 20:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
I'm not sure the show would be quite as watchable without Jesse and his Jesse-isms.
― Simon H., Saturday, 12 June 2010 20:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
i doubt it's gonna happen. if the show wouldn't even kill Hank, they're not gonna let Pinkman go
― Nhex, Sunday, 13 June 2010 00:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
wow that preview was great - like if i had to try to pitch this show to a newcomer in a couple minutes, i might just use that
i remember a great vince gilligan interview a year or two ago where he said he didn't anticipate letting his main characters get off easily. if this show goes on for four seasons - which is how long he envisioned it running, iirc - i gotta think that he considers death one of those easy fates
― Sandwiches That You Will Like.(2002).XviD.torrent (govern yourself accordingly), Sunday, 13 June 2010 14:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
anyone got a link to this preview that i can watch outside us of a?
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Sunday, 13 June 2010 15:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
no worries i got it....awesome!
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Sunday, 13 June 2010 15:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
man every season it just keeps piling on how sorry I feel for Jesse, like... damn.
very informative interview with Gilligan here, surprised how much they winged it this season, considering it's been the best imo!
http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/interview-breaking-bad-creator-vince-gilligan-post-mortems-season-three
― Nhex, Monday, 14 June 2010 03:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
alright so the hero of this episode and the entire season is saul
i really hope jesse maybe like, shot gale's arm to leave a bullet hole in the wall and blood on the floor, and then absconded with him somewhere to get him out of the picture? cause to kill gale is just heartless, i mean the guy tended to succulents
― del griffith, Monday, 14 June 2010 03:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
nah, according to the interview it wasn't the intent of that shot - gale's dead period, no turning back for jesse now
― Nhex, Monday, 14 June 2010 03:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
WHOS GOING TO WATER HIS SUCCULENTS
― del griffith, Monday, 14 June 2010 03:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
(also, did rubicon put anyone else to sleep)
― del griffith, Monday, 14 June 2010 03:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
watched it for maybe five minutes, decided to wait for reviews and maybe a dvd release. but it looks as unappealing to me as Mad Men already
― Nhex, Monday, 14 June 2010 03:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
Gale wasn't an innocent. Gus made it very clear to him that he was going to kill Walt, and Gale made it that he would try to learn as fast as possible so Gus could expedite Walt's murder. Bitch fucked with the wrong chem teacher.
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, 14 June 2010 04:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
Between this and Justified going off, I feel like it's the long dark moment for quality TV.Fucking good ending to the season. Still the best show on TV right now.
― I have been forks-style since day one (forksclovetofu), Monday, 14 June 2010 04:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
fucking nine months..
― 5 x 15-second shits, max fart (Pillbox), Monday, 14 June 2010 05:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
― I have been forks-style since day one (forksclovetofu), Monday, June 14, 2010 4:39 AM (52 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah honestly I don't care about any show other than BB.
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, 14 June 2010 05:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
The review coming up just as soon as I make myself a Nescafe... - called this btw
― 5 x 15-second shits, max fart (Pillbox), Monday, 14 June 2010 05:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
this, from the Sepinwall review linked to above, is OTM
But the beautiful thing about "Breaking Bad" is that Walt is even smarter, and far more dangerous, than even a man like Gus might recognize - or, in fact, more than we might. When Gus visited Gale's apartment and started laying the groundwork for murdering Walt without scaring off his replacement, I was terrified that Walt had no idea of the metaphorical shiny ax hanging over him. Instead, we learned in the visit to Lazer Base that Walt was already two steps ahead of both me and Gus - and, having accepted his status as a murderer with his actions at the end of "Half Measures," that he was prepared to end Gale's life to save his own.As you'll read in the interview, Walt's emasculation for much of this season wasn't by design, but rather a byproduct of how the Cousins' story was unfolding. But the upside of Heisenberg's prolonged absence is that we grew to miss him while he was gone. It was cathartic to see Walt take out the two dealers last week, to see him don the familiar black porkpie hat, and to see him get the better of Mike at the laundromat and bark out Gale's address and a triumphant "Yeah" as Mike and Victor realized what was about to happen. (And I'll admit to being briefly fooled into thinking Walt was selling out Jesse to save himself, which made the phone call even better.)
As you'll read in the interview, Walt's emasculation for much of this season wasn't by design, but rather a byproduct of how the Cousins' story was unfolding. But the upside of Heisenberg's prolonged absence is that we grew to miss him while he was gone. It was cathartic to see Walt take out the two dealers last week, to see him don the familiar black porkpie hat, and to see him get the better of Mike at the laundromat and bark out Gale's address and a triumphant "Yeah" as Mike and Victor realized what was about to happen. (And I'll admit to being briefly fooled into thinking Walt was selling out Jesse to save himself, which made the phone call even better.)
― 5 x 15-second shits, max fart (Pillbox), Monday, 14 June 2010 05:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
Such a dark, sad, end - Jesse's tearful, slightly high face killed me. Easily the best season yet.
Bring on Mad Men in July and The Walking Dead in October...
― Simon H., Monday, 14 June 2010 06:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
re Rubicon: nothing that ridiculous should take itself so seriously.
― Simon H., Monday, 14 June 2010 09:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
gale singing along to the song is one of my favourite scenes from this series; that was brilliant
― cozen, Monday, 14 June 2010 11:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
― Simon H., Monday, 14 June 2010 14:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
oo, i forgot that walking dead was coming to TV!Thanks for the song link; I was just hunting for ;it!
― I have been forks-style since day one (forksclovetofu), Monday, 14 June 2010 14:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
That was simply incredible. In terms of pure storytelling chops, I'm hard pressed to think of a better TV show, like ever.
I think S2 will remain my favourite for its ruthless precision, but this one topped it in terms of character depth and assurance.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Monday, 14 June 2010 14:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
i forgot that walking dead was coming to TV!
Only just found out! I found what I read of the comic quite underwhelming, gotta say, but will certainly give the show a shot.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Monday, 14 June 2010 14:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
The comic is great in long runs and should translate amazingly to tv; it reads like a storyboard. My only regret is that there are numerous major plot twists I already know about.
― I have been forks-style since day one (forksclovetofu), Monday, 14 June 2010 14:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
xp Felt similarly about the comic, tried the first three or four volumes and was pretty underwhelmed. OTOH, though, there's a good chance they can adjust it well to the TV format, if they condense arcs further than the book did.
― Nhex, Monday, 14 June 2010 14:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
Good AV Club review:
http://www.avclub.com/articles/full-measure,42061/
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Monday, 14 June 2010 15:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
I really liked that review, especially the intro enthusing about what a great TV age we're in right now - i think they posted a Community review recently espousing the same topic
― Nhex, Monday, 14 June 2010 15:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
yea i dig that review. the take on mike is otm for me. i kinda groaned when gale showed up again, but they managed to flesh out his character so much more in just a couple scenes, and then... man, jesse really should've run and never come back.
― a detective or a pervert (another al3x), Monday, 14 June 2010 16:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
we're sure Jesse shot him in the face? with the way the camera pans to the right it's hard to tell if Jesse is moving his arm at all to maybe just wound him or miss him completely and get the neighbours to call the cops.
xpost - but if Jesse did run (which really would have been the smart thing to do from his standpoint) he wouldn't have been able to save Walt!
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Monday, 14 June 2010 17:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
Seen two interviews with Gilligan today in which he categorically states that Jesse killed Gale and any ambiguity is unintentional.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Monday, 14 June 2010 17:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
xp - that's true and of course as tv watcher i am happy jesse stuck around. guess he might have to run now anyway. i was kinda getting into the idea of seeing his misadventures on the road. maybe loses everything, has to come back to walt, etc...
― a detective or a pervert (another al3x), Monday, 14 June 2010 17:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah I thought it was a bit ambiguous but then just discounted that theory as reading too much into it; glad gilligan has come out and categorically said jesse killed gale
― cozen, Monday, 14 June 2010 17:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
thought it was kinda funny how at the desert meeting when gus expressed his displeasure at walt, his voice changed from typical even-tempered cool-headed gus into super fiery latino voz de la pasión!!!
i hope hank enjoyed his hj vacation cause i'm expecting him to return to the forefront of the story very early on next season. he's been out of commission for what seems like way too long now for a character that's every bit as central to the overarching story of walter white than, say, gus and the cartel. especially now that skyler (and therefore 100% more of his extended family) is in on it.
unlikely to happen but i also want to see walter jr. meet his new cooler older brother jesse, in fact i want to see the whole family cooking together and plotting against the cartel next season, except of course for what's her face, the baby. babies shouldn't plot or cook meth imo
― del griffith, Monday, 14 June 2010 17:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
^ lol
xps - Just re-watched the end & although it isn't immediately obvious by any means, it isn't that Jesse moves his arm, but that the camera angle tilts around so that u are looking directly down the barrel of the gun when the screen goes black & "bang!"
― bold storks (Pillbox), Monday, 14 June 2010 18:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
also - what do you guys think he was trying to illustrate with that opening scene?
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Monday, 14 June 2010 18:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
i took it mainly as showing this ambitious side of walt's personality was there before his meth and boring teacher days. i felt bad for walt jr when he was talking about wanting 3 kids... fingers crossed "giant space lazers" was more of that classic BB foreshadowing
― a detective or a pervert (another al3x), Monday, 14 June 2010 18:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
i took it as meaning that albuquerque real estate agents are the most considerate, most low-pressure real estate agents in all the land
― del griffith, Monday, 14 June 2010 18:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
oh man what a programme...have to say I like Mike more each episode. just to clarify, the scene with Mike getting those passports etc, what are we meant to conclude from that? who were those guys?
I actually roared "YEEEAH" at my TV when Walt pulled that stunt at the laundry.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Monday, 14 June 2010 18:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
also lol @ white family cartel and baby plottings, but seriously isn't it kind of amazing that the show's gone three seasons without jesse and sklyer having a scene together?? or am i forgetting something? no ongoing interaction anyway. i think part of what i missed at times in s3 was the tension from walt hiding his secret from skyler, but there's still plenty only walt knows.
― a detective or a pervert (another al3x), Monday, 14 June 2010 18:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
what are we meant to conclude from that? - I believe this was mainly to showcase the dead cold professionalism & efficiency with which Mike conducts his duties (two dudes w/ one bullet!) & also to demonstrate that Gus & co. are, for the time being at least, successfully keeping the cartels at bay.
― bold storks (Pillbox), Monday, 14 June 2010 19:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
they had one or two scenes in s1 i think...
x-post yeah i figured it was something like that.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Monday, 14 June 2010 19:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
also long hair skyler > current cut
― a detective or a pervert (another al3x), Monday, 14 June 2010 19:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
mike has an enormous gun
― a detective or a pervert (another al3x), Monday, 14 June 2010 19:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
mostly silencer.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Monday, 14 June 2010 19:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
I think Skyler shows up at Jesse's house in season 1 under the suspicion that Jesse is selling weed to Walt.
― Darin, Monday, 14 June 2010 20:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
You are correct. I believe that is their sole interaction.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, 14 June 2010 20:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
I admit when we got little peeks into the secret non-work-a-day lives of Mike and Gale, I thought for sure they'd both be goners, as is the custom for these kinds of dramas. Especially Mike, since he kissed his granddaughter goodbye (she called him Pop Pop lol) before walking into Metal Gear Solid. Almost expecting him to hide in a cardboard box. Balloon thing was hilarious; by coincidence, Burn Notice had a similar bit this week, except with a stolen bike chain thrown onto power lines instead of foil balloons.
― Nhex, Monday, 14 June 2010 20:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
A flashback I'd love to see is Walt teaching Jesse is high school.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Monday, 14 June 2010 22:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
'in high school'
"teaching"
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 01:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
Echoing upthread about the lack of quality TV for a while now that this show and Justified have wrapped up their seasons. I thought the finale was going to be and hour and 47 minutes and then realized when Jesse shot (?) Gale that the last 47 minutes were going to be the sneak preview for Rubicon.
― righteousmaelstrom, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 02:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
Oh, and I had to laugh when Gale used the temperature gun to check the temperature on the whistling kettle. Hmmm...lemme guess...I think the temp might be about 212 degrees! I asked out loud why he would do that and my wife said "It's because he's a nerd!" True that.
― righteousmaelstrom, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 02:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Monday, June 14, 2010 6:46 PM
lol yes
― how do i spud webb (am0n), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 02:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
Presumably Jesse spent much of his time cutting that class and smoking weed
― Myonga Vön Bontee, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 04:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
^yes, but I could see Walt having been the sort to motivate/embarrass slackers by forcing them to complete work on the blackboard, in front of the class.
― bold storks (Pillbox), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 04:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
Something's been bugging me: where did Gus get his product from before Walt showed up? Was Gale the head cook, making inferior stuff? You'd think a guy as organised as him would have a handful of good chemists knocking around.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 11:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
By the way, redone HOLY SHIT poll:
Breaking Bad HOLY SHIT moment poll take 2 (again, SPOILERS)
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 11:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
I think he just dealt with ppl like Tuco/Crazy 8. He was cozy with the cartel until the whole Walt thing, so I assume they had the same network.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 11:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
So he essentially built the uber-expensive secret meth lab on spec? Doesn't quite add up. Oh well, didn't bother me when I was actually watching it.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 11:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
He did already have his Los Pollos Hermanos empire.
― Number None, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 12:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
I appreciated that interview with Vince G. After Lost and even Battlestar Galactica, it's refreshing for a showrunner to straight up say he's making it up as he goes along. It gives me confidence that this is going to wrap up nicely. (I swear, the soft-focus, pseudo-spiritual bullshit end of Lost created some serious TV trust issues for me, even though I had no faith it was going to be any good.)
― sinister chemical wisdom (Jenny), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 12:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
Oh also, when Walt started begging for his life and then offered Jesse's whereabouts to Mike, I had to hide my eyes again because that was just terrible after they basically pledged their undying love to each other in the Lazer Tag arcade. I was so happy to find out Walt had a plan! Then I felt terrible because poor Jesse!
― sinister chemical wisdom (Jenny), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 12:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, when it appeared that Walt was selling out Jesse it was the first time I thought "My god, you are a CUNT," believe it or not.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 12:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
So did I! Really it was a very convincing bit of acting on Cranston's part - totally effective, since you as the audience, as well as Mike and Victor, could buy this craven begging and betrayal coming from Walt, so when he turns the tables on them it's even more shocking and satisifying.
― Nhex, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 12:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
xps - yea i figured gus used to get his meth from the cartel, and recruiting walt was part of the reason he's been able to strike out on his own. maybe someone like gale would be able to set up the lab, even if he didn't quite have the skills to perfect the cook procedure. probly aren't too many trained chemists around in the drug world (though who knows how sophisticated you'd really have to be to make good meth).
<3 renegade scientists
― a detective or a pervert (another al3x), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 14:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
"they basically pledged their undying love to each other in the Lazer Tag arcade"^tempting screenname
― I have been forks-style since day one (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 14:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
jesus fucking christ
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 22:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
The show from the Lazer Tag on was maybe the best twenty minutes of TV ever.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 22:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
does lazer tag really still exist lol such a weird thing for them to reference
― how do i spud webb (am0n), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 22:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
a: yes it does
http://www.lasernationlasertag.com/
― how do i spud webb (am0n), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 22:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
does laser tag exist? are you serious?!
― Nhex, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 22:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
i mean, i know it used to exist like 20 yrs ago. the fuck r u talkin baout
― how do i spud webb (am0n), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 22:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
untz untz untz untz
― how do i spud webb (am0n), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 22:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
what really killed me was when walt told jesse he was in trouble, jesse just immediately grabbed his gun and ran - no second thoughts
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 09:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
can i just say again, jesus fucking christ
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 09:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
Really digging Gale's song. Where can I get more stuff like this?
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 09:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
from another board..
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 10:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
I know, right? This is kind of turning into a love story between Jesse and Walt.
― sinister chemical wisdom (Jenny), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 12:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
i was laughing out loud all by myself watching this scene! as was i holding my head in my hands during that final scene. devastating and incredible.
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 22:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
gah how am i supposed to sleep after watching this
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 22:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
I can't believe that gale just answers his door like that. No peep hole look, open wide open. Most of the time when ppl knock on my door, I just hide an pretend I'm not home. Even if I know ppl are coming over.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 22:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
Ha. I was reading that thinking, "That sounds like something Jeff would say..." and lo.
― sinister chemical wisdom (Jenny), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 22:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
I answer my door like Gale. Haven't been shot in the face yet.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 23:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
ok i slept on it and i think gale singing 'crapa pelada' might be my fav tv scene of all time
― hoes on my dick cos my groceries bagged (tpp), Thursday, 17 June 2010 20:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah, this.
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 17 June 2010 22:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
ok in season 2 i like and can empathize with skyler, walt is a douche, and i love jesse
― Hans-Jörg Butt (harbl), Sunday, 20 June 2010 11:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
man skyler is such a babe
― LB (latebloomer), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 10:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
just finished watching all 3 seasons. best show ever?
― LB (latebloomer), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 10:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
i just finished a couple days ago & i think probably
― Hans-Jörg Butt (harbl), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 13:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
Almost certainly the most exciting.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 13:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
In terms of tension it's rivaled only be early 24, but it also has character depth and believable plots.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 13:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
it's interesting you mention 24, it's true there's a similarity. both shows specialize in painting their characters into corners from which escape seems impossible. but 24 always had the out of jack 1) just going into full ass-kick mode or 2) calling back to CTU and having them disable something via cellphone or whatever. breaking bad gets its characters out of trouble in very lo-fi ways that feel a lot cleverer. like the way jack - in jack and the beanstalk - manages to wriggle free of trouble with giants
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 14:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
I want this show to go on forever, but I hope they don't start filling up time with flashbacks, like they did at the beginning of the last episode. Due to lost I have no patience for that shit anymore. Just stick with the present, please.
― calstars, Wednesday, 30 June 2010 19:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
it was originally supposed to be only 4 seasons, right? i'd be happy with the next one being the last, but since they're making it up as they go along I hope they can sort out a good ending.
― Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 22:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
― calstars, Wednesday, June 30, 2010 7:59 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
I really loved the flashback in season 1 with Walt seducing his student (who later marries his partner). Gave us a ton of context for their relationship in about 3 minutes.
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 30 June 2010 23:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
Sparingly-used flashbacks can be cool. I didn't watch Lost though.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 23:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
c'mon the combo flashback was amazing
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 1 July 2010 10:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
the flashback from just before they bought the rv (at the strip club) is great imo
― the girl with the butt tattoo (harbl), Thursday, 1 July 2010 11:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
what i'm sayin!
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 1 July 2010 12:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
oops sorry!
― the girl with the butt tattoo (harbl), Thursday, 1 July 2010 12:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
don't be! it is awesome. that flashback covered quite a bit of ground actually
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 1 July 2010 12:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
well i also liked the flashback of jane and jesse in the car talking about the door paintings and vaginas, v sweet
― the girl with the butt tattoo (harbl), Thursday, 1 July 2010 13:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah
jesse was so happy :/
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 1 July 2010 13:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
It underlined that Jane would've got bored with him pretty quickly, she was so obviously his intellectual superior.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Thursday, 1 July 2010 13:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
Watching deadwood last night, didn't know that skyler was in it. That just seems wrong, I don't want to see her anywhere except in breaking bad.
― Jeff, Thursday, 1 July 2010 13:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
felt exactly the opposite when i started watching breaking bad tbh
― Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Thursday, 1 July 2010 13:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
just finished s3 last night - last 2 eps were pretty great after the grinding midseason crawl
wondering why not just kill gus instead of gale - gus is harder to kill but the moral gain makes the decision a no brainer imo - and killing gale just buys them time at best - also didnt quite buy walts criminal acumen going from 'shit' to 'pretty good' overnight
opening flashback was implying having a disabled child is what smothered walts zest eh
enjoying walt and jesses deepening bond - its sort of touching for all its disfunction - lol @ walk lecturing jesse abt not thinking of others - irony
― ice cr?m, Saturday, 3 July 2010 00:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
yup, the walt/jesse relationship is one of the most unique things about this show. Kind of like the Tony/Christopher relationship in the Sopranos
― calstars, Saturday, 3 July 2010 00:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
okay I finally watched all 3 seasons and can click on this thread too
killing gus seems like suicide to me, but there did seem to be some alternatives to straight-up killing gale...maybe just capturing him? or blackmailing gus w/ some way of ensuring that the police would get info about the whole operation in the case of walt's death. OTOH I don't think immediately thinking 'kill gale' is entirely out of character for walt at this point in time.
― iatee, Saturday, 3 July 2010 00:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
well the key to killing gus is making it seem like the cartel did it, tho gus is prob v hard to kill, still they are going to have to kill gus
― ice cr?m, Saturday, 3 July 2010 01:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
also didnt quite buy walts criminal acumen going from 'shit' to 'pretty good' overnight
Walt is just amazing backed into a life or death corner. Any other time his decisions are 100% foolish.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Saturday, 3 July 2010 01:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
just finished this. Final scene unbelievably good. Seasons got better and better, too: 3 > 2 >>>> 1 (which was hit by the writer's strike, right?)
One thing that still bugs me is how Walt can be a cold Machiavellian genius, but also unable to keep it together for the simplest lies like sweet-talking a cop or addressing a room of students.
xxp lol @ finishing minutes after iatee.
― stet, Saturday, 3 July 2010 01:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
walt seems to have two personalities 'walt' and 'heisenberg' - problem is walt often thinks hes heisenberg
― ice cr?m, Saturday, 3 July 2010 01:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
ya^
― Implied Nazarene (latebloomer), Saturday, 3 July 2010 04:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Saturday, July 3, 2010 1:02 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
otm.
― Implied Nazarene (latebloomer), Saturday, 3 July 2010 04:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
Killing gus surely just means someone else still kills walt. Plus like...how would killing gus have stopped walt being killed? How would that have even worked in the way killing gale did? Come on..,
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Saturday, 3 July 2010 11:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
killing gale has maybe bought walt time. gus could kidnap walt, kidnap walts family, find another chemist etc. gus wants to kill walt. thats the problem. it hasnt been solved by killing gale. gus is yet to be dealt with.
would someone come after walt if he killed gus? mike maybe, just because hes thorough. theres no evidence of any particular strong loyalty in his organization. the whole thing is very business like. removing gus could just create a power vacuum, distracting any would be revenge takers w/ambition. anyway there are lots of people who want to kill gus, best would be if no one figures out its walt right.
possibly having a hypothetical someone wanting to kill walt for killing gus is much better than definitely having gus wanting to kill walt. killing gale: half-measure.
― sluts (ice cr?m), Saturday, 3 July 2010 12:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah that's totally true but like, in the exact circumstances of walt being about to be shot, killing gus wouldn't have done him any good. like he was going to be killed that v instant.
it's not even if someone comes after walt, maybe he will kill gus next season, but in that last ep he was about to be killed, there and then, that very second, and had to buy himself time. it's not a half measure, it's the only thing he could have done in that instant to not be shot.
if he says "oh i'm going to kill gus" then mike just goes "right good for you" and shoots him.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Saturday, 3 July 2010 12:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
i was referring more to when they were planning gales murder in the lazertagorium - thinking abt it it was maybe an intentional joke abt walt and jesses shared psychosis that when walt was all 'you know what im talking abt' they were both thinking 'kill gale' when prob most viewers were thinking 'kill gus' - or at least i was - would be curious to know what everyone else thought they were talking abt at that moment
― sluts (ice cr?m), Saturday, 3 July 2010 13:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
also lol
walt: you said no half measures
mike: mmyeah funny how words can be so open to interpretation
― sluts (ice cr?m), Saturday, 3 July 2010 13:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
Nah, I never thought they meant Gus.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Saturday, 3 July 2010 13:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
did you think they meant gale
― ice cr?m, Saturday, 3 July 2010 13:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
It dawned on me before they came out and said it, certainly.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Saturday, 3 July 2010 13:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
hmm interesting
― ice cr?m, Saturday, 3 July 2010 14:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
I thought they meant Gus.
― sinister chemical wisdom (Jenny), Saturday, 3 July 2010 14:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
it nvr occurred to me that walt might try to kill gus hes kind of a bully
― Lamp, Saturday, 3 July 2010 15:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
maybe walt tries to become gus eh
― ice cr?m, Saturday, 3 July 2010 18:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
seems like a sorta likely future?
― iatee, Saturday, 3 July 2010 18:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
I was thinking they'd kill Gus.
I enjoy the Gus character but Giancarlo Eaposito is kinda meh.
― calstars, Sunday, 4 July 2010 03:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
has this thread discussed his spanish accent yet?
― iatee, Sunday, 4 July 2010 03:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
weird...to me i was sure they were going to try and kill gale.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Sunday, 4 July 2010 03:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
Never thought they were gonna go after Gus. Maybe because of the obvious foreshadowing of us getting to see Gale's home life, but I also thought of Walt mentioning the folly of trying to kill Tucco an episode or two earlier. Next season, though... who knows.
― Nhex, Sunday, 4 July 2010 04:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
ya - i always thought Gale.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Sunday, 4 July 2010 08:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
there's a slight diff between killing gus and gale - gus is surrounded by heavies and not even the cartel fucks w him. how in the world could walt and jesse even attempt it?? witness mike in metal gear solid mode. gale on the other hand is surrounded by plants and old 78s.
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 4 July 2010 08:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
i mean they are KILLER 78s, admittedly
if we really truly do only have one more season (probable, it seems..) how is this shit going to END??
I've ventured guesses about where this show was headed, on this very thread even, & I've been comically wrong pretty much all of the time. Some sort of showdown and/or collaboration b/w Walt & Hank does seem inevitable, tho, right??
― death kebab of DEATH (Pillbox), Sunday, 4 July 2010 09:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
I think they'll go after Gus in the long run, it doesn't seem like they have much of a choice, but unlike killing Gale I don't think it would have done much to save Walt's life there and then.
― 8 (88), Sunday, 4 July 2010 10:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
there's a slight diff between killing gus and gale - gus is surrounded by heavies and not even the cartel fucks w him. how in the world could walt and jesse even attempt it??
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Sunday, July 4, 2010 4:51 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
blow up his house w/magic crystals ala s1, stake out pollos i dunno, walt had access, gus didnt know he was onto him; granted the schedule was pretty tight
― ice cr?m, Sunday, 4 July 2010 12:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
it doesn't really make any sense to me that he'd do that though...like...if he hadn't killed gale his life was worthless to gus or whoever followed up gus.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Sunday, 4 July 2010 12:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
as mentioned the gus/walt relationship is now completely untenable, they basically have to kill gus, only difference from before is gus knows they know they have to kill him - i mean how long does it take to find a criminal chemist, thats how long walt has to act
― ice cr?m, Sunday, 4 July 2010 12:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah i defo agree for future survival, but gale had to go first, that was his priority. they can't miss a week's shipment gus said, so killing gale buys him at least a few days vs being shot in the head at the laundry there and then.;
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Sunday, 4 July 2010 12:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
but be fore he had the drop on gus now gus is likely to do something rash - can he really just let walt go abt his workaday routine, what if he goes to the cops, what if he goes buck - while walt did you know 'avoid death' he didnt really solve any problems particularly
― ice cr?m, Sunday, 4 July 2010 12:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
I thought he meant Gus at first, too. Assumed some ricin-based "now you come break bread at my gaff" antics.
― stet, Sunday, 4 July 2010 13:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah but like...dying would be worse than not dying, he totally didn't solve any probs but he managed to not be shot in the head, what else could he feasibly have done?
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Sunday, 4 July 2010 13:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
killed gus
― ice cr?m, Sunday, 4 July 2010 13:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
gone to the cops
ran
Assumed some ricin-based "now you come break bread at my gaff" antics.
Seriously doubt Gus would've fallen for this.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Sunday, 4 July 2010 13:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
No, me either. He should have built a robot, rly
― stet, Sunday, 4 July 2010 13:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
next time walt or jesse try to poison somebody, they should put it in rice. it's called "rice-in" and not "burrito-in" for a reason, yo.
― Implied Nazarene (latebloomer), Sunday, 4 July 2010 20:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
OK just finished season 3. Wheeeee that was fun. Was not entirely convinced that Jessie shot Gale until I read upthread
― is breads of india still tite (admrl), Saturday, 17 July 2010 17:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
Where can I get a Heisenberg Hat?
― is breads of india still tite (admrl), Saturday, 17 July 2010 17:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
Black wool pork pie hat
― sinister chemical wisdom (Jenny), Saturday, 17 July 2010 19:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
cooool! thanks!!
― is breads of india still tite (admrl), Saturday, 17 July 2010 21:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
Dude that hat is so bomb. I am not kidding, I might buy it
― is breads of india still tite (admrl), Saturday, 17 July 2010 21:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
I also like the things that Victor, Gus' lackey wears. Check his jacket in the "Jessie has to shake the dealers' hands" scene. Dope
― is breads of india still tite (admrl), Saturday, 17 July 2010 21:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
Also OMG the baby is sooooooooo cute! Did you all talk about it upthread? Best TV baby ever imo
when she touched walter's beard and took off his classes? great
― is breads of india still tite (admrl), Saturday, 17 July 2010 21:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
hi i finally watched this too
it's very good
and VERY sopranos
in regards to the "what they should do now" thing, i really feel they are setting walt up to be the next gus, which maybe means he has to kill him. think about it - 1) vince gilligan has said the arc of the show is "mr chips to scarface," implying that walt will sort of become a drug lord and not just a cook 2) gus is the most like walt than any other character from that milieu 3) all the foreshadowing of getting wifey in the business etc
― al-goreda (s1ocki), Sunday, 18 July 2010 04:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
This really can't keep going any longer than two more season imo
― i'm gonna need a +1 so me & a friend can kick you in the balls (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 18 July 2010 04:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
I disagree. Sopranos is a lengthyt character study, BB is an extended crime thriller. Love both, but BB has so much more narrative momentum.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Sunday, 18 July 2010 22:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
BB's got plenty of character stuff tho
― is breads of india still tite (admrl), Sunday, 18 July 2010 22:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
Of course, but it's driven by narrative whereas Sopranos is driven by character.
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Sunday, 18 July 2010 22:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
also gossips!!!!
http://www.hollywoodlife.com/2010/05/24/aaron-paul-splits-from-jessica-lowndes/
― is breads of india still tite (admrl), Sunday, 18 July 2010 22:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
― ice cr?m, Sunday, 18 July 2010 23:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
feel like bb is somewhat sopranos
― ice cr?m, Sunday, 18 July 2010 23:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
I feel like every show which features marital tension post-Sopranos is somewhat Sopranos.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, 19 July 2010 02:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
― rhythm fixated member (chap), Sunday, July 18, 2010 6:48 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark
im not saying its exactly the same but BB is clearly pulling a lot of plays from the sopranos playbook. both are about family men doing morally dubious/reprehensible shit and yet the audience is still onboard, juggling life of crime with family, and the wifey stuff is REALLY similar
― al-goreda (s1ocki), Monday, 19 July 2010 02:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
the main thing is this protagonist who the show keeps pushing further and further, dragging him more and more down, taking the audience along, playing with our sympathies & testing them
― al-goreda (s1ocki), Monday, 19 July 2010 02:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
Very true. I pretty much thought i'd lost all sympathy for Walter after what happened to Jane but damned if i didn't find myself rooting for him again by the end of the third season.
― Number None, Monday, 19 July 2010 13:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
haha fuck jane
― iatee, Monday, 19 July 2010 13:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
A friend sent me this, pretty rad:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24869473@N02/sets/72157623732482564/
― Tolaca Luke (admrl), Friday, 6 August 2010 17:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
rad! been catching up on this show. so great. first season was a bit slow, but second and third masterful all the way. only thing disappointing was the lack of hank in the later 3.
it all reminds me a lot of the shield, rooting for a guy doing a lot of awful stuff, with every clever solution leading to a situation a lot worse than the one he was trying to get out of.
― sonderangerbot, Friday, 6 August 2010 17:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
New interview with Cranston. Brief but some fun bits in there.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 August 2010 05:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
― a man without his raincoat (another al3x), Thursday, 19 August 2010 19:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
I don't know if it's possible to participate in this thread w/o having seen the most recent episodes and not stumble onto spoilers but I'm catching up on DVD and...I liked season 1, but halfway through season 2 I feel like this is getting so stupid and unrewarding I kinda want to just stop and never watch this show again. I never heard anything about it falling off, am I alone here? If not, does it get better?
― washa flocka brain (some dude), Thursday, 6 January 2011 03:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
yes
― sleeve, Thursday, 6 January 2011 03:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
what do you think is stupid about it?
the whole thing seems pretty good to me, i think you should just keep with it.
― j., Thursday, 6 January 2011 03:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
this show is god fuiud
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 6 January 2011 04:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
when is the next season coming out?
― calstars, Thursday, 6 January 2011 04:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
i was hoping thats what this bump was abt you can imagine how disappointed i was
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 6 January 2011 04:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
i like the first two seasons but the third is on another level
― a nan, a bal, an anal ― (abanana), Thursday, 6 January 2011 04:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
weird I was just looking for this thread since I started watching recently, a little ways into s2
― Є|Э (Edward III), Thursday, 6 January 2011 04:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
This is the best American tv show ever
― puff pastry hangman (admrl), Thursday, 6 January 2011 04:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
have to wait until july for next season. has anyone who comes in and asked to be convinced to like something they don't like ever been made to like what they don't like?
― keythhtyek, Thursday, 6 January 2011 04:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
if they know whats good for them, which they dont
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 6 January 2011 04:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
Suggest Ban Permalinki like the first two seasons but the third is on another level― a nan, a bal, an anal ― (abanana), Thursday, January 6, 2011 4:05 AM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark
― a nan, a bal, an anal ― (abanana), Thursday, January 6, 2011 4:05 AM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark
otfm. also o_O at the fly catching episode.
That flickr of location shots listed upthread is A+ btw. Would totally do a self-guided BB location tour if I ever go to ABQ, which is incredibly unlikely.
― The Jolly Roget's Thesaurus (S-), Thursday, 6 January 2011 04:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
the last season was as good as it's beenRUN
― predeep natsvitika (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 6 January 2011 05:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
I thought the fly catching episode was the only not so great episode of the series
― iatee, Thursday, 6 January 2011 05:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
^^^ ya srsly
― ╰㊂-㊂╯ (Lamp), Thursday, 6 January 2011 05:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
it was somewhat unsatisfying cause it didnt advance the plot, while as the same time being absolutely virtuosic
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 6 January 2011 05:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
I remember reading it was partly a money-saving thing?
― iatee, Thursday, 6 January 2011 05:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
yah one set two actors cheap to make &c &c
i tht it was overdone and tedious and forced but i mostly read journal articles while it was on
― ╰㊂-㊂╯ (Lamp), Thursday, 6 January 2011 05:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
RUN
Oh man, just reading that gave me some chills. That was probably my favorite moment on TV ever.
― phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Thursday, 6 January 2011 13:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
I don't think I've ever been as impatient for the next episode of a TV show as after that.
― A brownish area with points (chap), Thursday, 6 January 2011 13:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
And right now I know I've never been as impatient for the next season of a TV show.
― A brownish area with points (chap), Thursday, 6 January 2011 13:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
― keythhtyek, Wednesday, January 5, 2011 11:22 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
that's not really what i did, though -- i said i really liked the first season, i just feel really let down by season 2 so far.
― Johnny Cheever (some dude), Thursday, 6 January 2011 13:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
S2 represented a massive leap in quality for me. The plotting's so ruthless and precision-tooled, I think I might even prefer it to 3. How far through are you?
― A brownish area with points (chap), Thursday, 6 January 2011 13:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
― j., Wednesday, January 5, 2011 10:56 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i dunno, it just feels kind of lurid and over-the-top in a way the first season never quite was, the more they do these drawn out crazy scenarios like the whole Tuco thing and the crazy tweakers crushing each other with ATMs the less I give a damn about the characters or what's going on, it just gets kind of exhausting and not especially entertaining to me. also it feels like at some point they told Aaron Paul to say "yo" more so now it's in every single sentence he says. like I appreciate the heightened reality of the show and that they're willing to do some crazy shit, but it's starting to feel like shock value for the sake of shock value.
― Johnny Cheever (some dude), Thursday, 6 January 2011 13:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
i'm 6 episodes into the season, about to watch the 7th.
― Johnny Cheever (some dude), Thursday, 6 January 2011 13:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
"That was probably my favorite moment on TV ever."it's damn close but I might pick this instead
― predeep natsvitika (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 6 January 2011 14:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
s2 IS exhausting.. it's less goofy and footloose than s1. i think it's worth sticking it out, though. going through the wringer of skyler/walt's evolving distrust is tough but rewarding
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 6 January 2011 14:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
they are running the whole series again weekly leading up to the next season, so, wherever they're at with that (about six episodes in), subtract from however many total episodes there are, and that's when it's starting again. I'd guess....this summer
― akm, Thursday, 6 January 2011 15:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
i dunno, it just feels kind of lurid and over-the-top in a way the first season never quite was
In the first season a ceiling collapses leaving splattered blood everywhere because Jesse had attempted to dissolve a body in acid in the bath. How much more lurid or over-the-top can you get?
― Matt DC, Thursday, 6 January 2011 15:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
Series 3 is up there with the best TV I've seen over the past few years though. The fly episode is great because part of the joy of this show is watching Walt and Jesse bouncing off one another and getting on each others' nerves and they hadn't actually shared that much screen time up to that point.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 6 January 2011 15:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
I said never quite was, as in obviously they pushed the envelope plenty in the first season, but it felt more situational and less driven by wacky characters like Tuco and Jesse's wigger crew and the horror movie meth family
― Johnny Cheever (some dude), Thursday, 6 January 2011 15:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
I see what you are saying, although I didn't mind those aspects too much. I think the show does come to rely less on characters like that. I mean, there are a couple over over the top characters to come, but the sheer menace that they exude and the pacing/direction of the episodes that feature them is so freaking tense that I think it really works. So based on your concerns, I would say that you will be rewarded if you stick it out.
― phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Thursday, 6 January 2011 16:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
this is where they nearly lost me, but i'm so glad i stuck with it.
― caek, Thursday, 6 January 2011 16:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
Haha, that's pretty much when I knew they had me. Quite a fan of grand guignol type stuff.
― A brownish area with points (chap), Thursday, 6 January 2011 16:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
Just finished season 2, and love it all. Esp. the fact that Walt is a complete and total dick, and that I couldn't care less about his family, because he clearly doesn't care, either. They're just distractions. Walt's just greedy and passive aggressive, but it's presented as the belated outburst of a whole bunch of repressed baggage thus far only hinted at. I can only assume more "what went wrong with Walt?" backstory will be parceled out as the series proceeds. Like, why did his promising career and brilliance lead to nothing? Is Walt Jr. even his kid with Skylar, or from a previous marriage (could have sworn they stated or implied a 10+ age gap between them)?
Anyway, a comparison I see is not "The Sopranos," which is kind of about the moral decay of the family unit, but "The Shield," which is more about the nature of true selfish evil.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 January 2011 17:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
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― Blazes Boyband (Pillbox), Thursday, 20 January 2011 04:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
Jesse's wigger crew
― Johnny Cheever (some dude), Thursday, January 6, 2011 10:53 AM
wigga wigger
― am0n, Thursday, 20 January 2011 05:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
one difference might be in why mackie and walt pretend / think they deserve more than others—walt has sort of a meritocratic thing going on, feeling that his gifts haven't been well used or appreciated (exacerbated by his split with his old chemist partner). apart from taking care of his family, what's the rationale mackie comes up with? (i'm not doubting it, i just don't exactly remember.) you gotta cut corners if you want safe streets? tough methods get results? i put myself out here on the line and i deserve more than this shitty city is giving me?
― j., Thursday, 20 January 2011 05:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
STAY OUT OF MY TERRITORY
― beer, beer, beer (Pillbox), Monday, 24 January 2011 04:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
― am0n, Thursday, January 20, 2011 12:08 AM (3 days ago) Bookmark
do you have a point or is it just "hey old thread"
― trv kvnt (some dude), Monday, 24 January 2011 04:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
finished s3... wow, just wow
― in my room, redefining the meaning of black crowes (Edward III), Friday, 28 January 2011 18:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
ive watched all thru s2 & cant wait til amc gets up to s3 reruns (by my count by feb 16th)
rewatched better call saul which just reaired -- damn was odenkirk so good
― johnny crunch, Friday, 28 January 2011 19:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
odenkirk is so good
― ice cr?m, Friday, 28 January 2011 20:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
sometimes you dont want a criminal attorney - you want a criminal, attorney
― ice cr?m, Friday, 28 January 2011 20:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
― i turned my head n boom I saw that tweet #wow (forksclovetofu), Friday, 28 January 2011 21:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
― beer, beer, beer (Pillbox), Friday, 28 January 2011 21:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
breaking bad actors in other things #1
― a nan, a bal, an anal ― (abanana), Friday, 28 January 2011 21:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
― it made me wish batman had written an article on mfas (Edward III), Thursday, 10 February 2011 16:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
<3
― الله basedأكبر (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 10 February 2011 17:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
hawwwwww
― gallagher 3 (latebloomer), Thursday, 10 February 2011 18:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
ok, finally dragged my heels through the end of season 2 -- fuck this show imo. hate when a DENSE LATTICEWORK OF COINCIDENCES AND MISUNDERSTANDINGS takes the place of plot.
― hong does your geirden gro (some dude), Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
guess you hate life, sorry bro
― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
lol u mad doggie
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
maybe you should go watch some 2 1/2 men
― iatee, Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
maybe you'd like to have a real conversation about this without any ad hominem attacks?
― hong does your geirden gro (some dude), Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
how is that an ad hominem attack, I was just suggesting you watch a show you enjoy, 2 1/2 men instead of a show you don't like, breaking bad
― iatee, Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
maybe some dude is charlie sheen
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
the climax in the last episode was too "authorial" and wacky for me but it doesn't erase everything else in S2, which was awesome until that moment
― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
― And thusly create the illusion of babby (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
imo the s2 finale was very much of a piece with the wacky authorial nature of what came before
― hong does your geirden gro (some dude), Thursday, 28 April 2011 17:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
I felt sort of the same way about the end of season two, it was too much of a punctuation mark, too much of a SEE??
Season 3 on the other hand is so wow, so much of a jump. Trudge on, some dude, trudge on.
― Clay, Thursday, 28 April 2011 20:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
I liked season 2 but yeah, season three was whole new heights. Definitely not a series of coincidences but a series of events that the characters set in motion themselves through their own good and horrible choices. What is also fun for me was to get a look at the fucked up motivations behind those choices.
― phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Thursday, 28 April 2011 20:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
when does the new season start? ever?
― deez m'uts (La Lechera), Thursday, 28 April 2011 20:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
July 17th!
― Clay, Thursday, 28 April 2011 20:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah when S3 comes out on DVD shortly before S4 starts i will probably try to rent it and catch up -- it's an aight show and has its merits, i'm just kind of frustrated at the moment at seeing all the ways it gets close to being a show i could love and then keeps daring me to hate it.
― hong does your geirden gro (some dude), Thursday, 28 April 2011 20:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
oh good, thanks! i like it 90% of the time, less so when there are "clever" conceits like the stupid fly episodei never liked it when the wire would try to be clever eitheri think i basically hate when things are too clever. just let the story be without injecting cleverness into it all the damn time.
― deez m'uts (La Lechera), Thursday, 28 April 2011 20:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
I loved that whole framing device for Season 2. It wasn't annoying to me at all--it resulted from the actions of the characters, so it wasn't arbitrary.
― shamefully blowable (latebloomer), Thursday, 28 April 2011 20:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
I think half the reason they did the fly episode was budget constraints.
― Number None, Thursday, 28 April 2011 20:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah, that was a classic "bottle" episode
― shamefully blowable (latebloomer), Thursday, 28 April 2011 20:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
Loved the fly episode
― Jeff, Thursday, 28 April 2011 21:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
Frankly, I found the whole secret underground lair conceit more than faintly ridiculous for the duration of S3. I thought it veered close to Nip/Tuck levels of ridiculousness. Hope S4 brings things back to reality at least a touch.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 28 April 2011 21:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
Really? You find it that outlandish?
― shamefully blowable (latebloomer), Thursday, 28 April 2011 21:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yes. Like, James Bond villain outlandish.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 28 April 2011 21:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
I mean, on a show with crazy homicidal mexican twins and shit?
― shamefully blowable (latebloomer), Thursday, 28 April 2011 21:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
s3 > s2 > s1 IMO. I'll be surprised if S4 manages to continue this trend. Really hope all concerned have a specific endgame in mind.
― Simon H. Shit (Simon H.), Thursday, 28 April 2011 21:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
I remember reading that Vince Gilligan specifically told the writers to write themselves into corners in S3.
― Number None, Thursday, 28 April 2011 21:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
I don't really find the "underground lair" particularly outlandish considering what IRL drug traffickers are willing to do:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narco_submarine
― shamefully blowable (latebloomer), Thursday, 28 April 2011 21:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
He has hummed and hawed a little about whether the fourth season will be the last. I hope it is though and they can go out on a high.
― Number None, Thursday, 28 April 2011 21:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
― Number None, Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:29 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark
lol if season 4 actually takes place in a corner
― shamefully blowable (latebloomer), Thursday, 28 April 2011 21:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
― shamefully blowable (latebloomer), Thursday, April 28, 2011 4:53 PM (45 minutes ago) Bookmark
the end of s2 resulted in part from the actions of a character who had only been introduced a few episodes earlier, whose relevant profession was revealed like a couple scenes earlier. i get that it was in part ABOUT that reveal but i feel like the less effort goes into 'planting the seeds' of something like that, the more arbitrary it ultimately feels.
― hong does your geirden gro (some dude), Thursday, 28 April 2011 21:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
no, the end resulted from Walt's actions (or inaction)
― shamefully blowable (latebloomer), Thursday, 28 April 2011 22:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
arbitrary? wasn't the wreckage featured at the beginning of many of the episodes in S2? (been a while since i've seen these episodes)
― jeff, Thursday, 28 April 2011 22:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
well sure, through a rube goldberg butterfly effect that the characters themselves have no way of being aware of, not in any way that demonstrates a sense of right and wrong and consequences. xpost
― hong does your geirden gro (some dude), Thursday, 28 April 2011 22:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
the only thing I found "outlandish" about the whole underground lair, and really the whole arrangement with (and value of) Heisenberg, was the idea that they were the first/only crew to pull something like that off. Am I supposed to believe that all meth in this country comes from junkies in RVs?
xxps
― rockapads, Thursday, 28 April 2011 22:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
The only reason the coincidence seemed like a Rube Goldberg machine is because we knew the guy who was the main catalyst. That is how things happen in real life; we just can't see it that way we don't have the god's eye view of the narrative. Was the crank head finally getting fed up and dropping the ATM machine dropped on dude's head any less of a coincidence?
― rockapads, Thursday, 28 April 2011 22:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
x-post to some dude
it's not very rube goldbergian at all! walt's inaction allows jane to die, which affects her dad, then plane goes crashy. not that crazy. dramatic maybe, but THAT'S BECAUSE IT's FUCKING DRAMA.
everything walter does has consequences, which seems to me to be the point.
― shamefully blowable (latebloomer), Thursday, 28 April 2011 22:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
that was just a thing that happened, there was no actual or even perceived coincidence to the ATM thing (xpost)
― hong does your geirden gro (some dude), Thursday, 28 April 2011 22:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
ultimately i get that there IS some degree of logic or at least thematic coherence to this stuff, i'm just saying the overall effect strikes me as dumm and faux 'deep'
― hong does your geirden gro (some dude), Thursday, 28 April 2011 22:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
we don't usually have the god's eye view in this show so when something like that happens it can yank you out of it; it did me. usually the big strength of the show for me is seeing the characters working through the consequences of fucked up shit and it usually feels natural, even inevitable. the final ep of S2 you could see the writers pulling it all together which is funny when it happens on seinfeld but not so much here. that said this is one of the very best shows ever made for television so... i'll allow it
― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 28 April 2011 22:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
there are parts of s2 that i dislike, or find heavy-handed, & the plane crash as visual metaphor is probably too much but i think thematically its really good & interesting & works to push the audiences awareness beyond just sorta ~whats going on~ & really helps throw into relief how selfish & self-deluded walt's thinking is in a p powerful way...
idk i think the show gets morally interesting in late s2 & i like that its trying to make the point abt the sheer magnitude of 'unintended consequences'. also i think the moment where walt kills jane is probably one of the most emotional & potent moments of the show so far imo. it was cathartic to have that dramatized into this big 'the sky is falling' thing in the story itself
― dearth of the hipster (Lamp), Thursday, 28 April 2011 22:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
plane crash is worth it for Walt's speech at the school gym in s3
― Simon H. Shit (Simon H.), Thursday, 28 April 2011 23:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
^^ so true, I recant my criticism.
― Clay, Thursday, 28 April 2011 23:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
w/r/t suspension of disbelief, the only thing on the show that I struggled with is the idea that Gus is so completely reliant on Walt that he has to go to these lengths to keep the lab running. Is his overhead so high that he can't go a month without supply?
Also they need to explain why Saul made such a radical decision to put his life on the line for Walt and Jesse.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 28 April 2011 23:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
gus is using his lab to cut mexico out of the picture, if he can't keep a steady supply going to the streets mexican dealers might muscle their way back in, think they spent quite a bit of time establishing this
businesses often have to overextend themselves in order to get to the next level so I don't think it's sloppy plotting, actually pretty realistic
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Friday, 29 April 2011 00:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
so awful and then also so great.
― phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Friday, 29 April 2011 00:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
think Saul sees Walt's business as being much more lucrative for him than his usual parade of penny-ante losers, as long as it can be reliable. so he does everything he can to keep it reliable.
also he just kinda likes Walt.
― my one-man band is Cut Creator AKA PhiΙ Pat (sic), Friday, 29 April 2011 01:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
I thought the Gus plot was entirely plausible -- it's the cartoonish Mexican brothers that I have a problem with. I guess I shouldn't expect so much from, I dunno, satellite characters, but Jane's a satellite plot-moving character, and she was given more depth than the brothers.
Basically, without revealing much, I can say that it seems like the Mexican-Americans (including Jesse's friends, male and female) are given a lot more chance to be real humans, multifaceted people, whereas the Mexicans (including madman Tuco and the mute bell dinging uncle) are pretty one-note/monochromatic. I think that's kinda lame.
― deez m'uts (La Lechera), Friday, 29 April 2011 02:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
I also want to stand up for old Hank, who I think is the most interesting character on the show.
― deez m'uts (La Lechera), Friday, 29 April 2011 02:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
I thought the Mexican bros could have worked just fine if they weren't virtually identical twins who did everything methodically in ridiculous Terminator mode.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 29 April 2011 03:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
Including raiding the clothesline of sn innocent family.
― deez m'uts (La Lechera), Friday, 29 April 2011 03:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
― deez m'uts (La Lechera), Friday, 29 April 2011 02:44 (2 hours ago)
He's the true protagonist of season 3, for me.
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 29 April 2011 05:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
this is all nitpicking btw, this is maybe the best TV drama ever.
(nitpicking on my part)
i like it 90% of the time, less so when there are "clever" conceits like the stupid fly episodei never liked it when the wire would try to be clever eitheri think i basically hate when things are too clever. just let the story be without injecting cleverness into it all the damn time.
the fly episode is not very well loved but I dug it... I did know going in that it was a budget-driven eps so maybe I was more forgiving, but the ending really stuck with me. when walt is staring at the blinking light in his bedroom ceiling you can read the scene a couple of ways - he's either realizing fly = bug = gus is bugging the lab OR fly as symbol of death and that's what's keeping him up at night, driving him nuts and making him break bad. I like the way various possible interpretations were communicated in a subtle way by a simple scene, it raised the profile of the whole episode and made me think again damn this is good stuff.
but maybe that's what you mean by too clever clever and in that case forget I said anything
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Friday, 29 April 2011 15:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, April 29, 2011 1:33 AM (9 hours ago)
i'm glad to hear he gets more interesting in s3 because at this point i feel like the guy is so close to being a Mad TV character (the horrible 'cop talk' sketches on the s2 dvd may have heavily influenced this observation, admittedly).
― hong does your geirden gro (some dude), Friday, 29 April 2011 15:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
yes, that is what i mean by clever
and Hank totally gets more interesting -- his relationships with his job/coworkers, Marie, Walter, and with himself are really complex.
― deez m'uts (La Lechera), Friday, 29 April 2011 16:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
hank & his partner is a great relaish
― johnny crunch, Friday, 29 April 2011 16:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
I loved The Fly. It struck such a great balance between funny and ominous. I appreciated them turning a budget episode like that into such a pivotal one. I read the fly itself as kind of a metaphor for Walt's conscience, aka everything preventing him from enjoying any of the fruits of his labor. When he goes on the rant about where it all went wrong was the key for me.
― rockapads, Friday, 29 April 2011 16:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
Hank is amazing in S3, I mean he's always great and gets better and better and more sympathetic ALL the time, but I knid of needed to get a blanket to chew on out of worry for him in every second scene he appeared in by early S3
― wicked Nome King, brah (sic), Friday, 29 April 2011 17:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
something to be said for the shift between sympathetic and unsympathetic characters from S1 -> S3
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Friday, 29 April 2011 17:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
but I knid of needed to get a blanket
vermicious
― wicked Nome King, brah (sic), Friday, 29 April 2011 17:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
I could never figure out how Walt's new baby added anything to the show that wasn't there already. They already had issues before the baby - financial, emotional, professional. In fact, you barely see the baby for the vast majority of the show. It seems to live exclusively in its car seat carrier when it's not simply MIA.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 29 April 2011 17:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
They used it for the parallel to Jane telling Jesse to sleep on his side. Earlier in the episode they mention the same thing about the baby.
― Jeff, Friday, 29 April 2011 18:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
so I guess we can agree it's not bringing a whole lot to the show
can't even remember its name and/or sex tbh
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Friday, 29 April 2011 18:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
Holly
― phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Friday, 29 April 2011 18:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
The baby was also necessary for the cracking scene where Walt has to miss her birth in order to go make his deal with Gus
― Number None, Friday, 29 April 2011 18:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
the baby has been key to what has driven Walt throughout the whole show. I'm grateful that she hasn't played much of a role outside of being the equivalent of the suitcase in Pulp Fiction.
― rockapads, Friday, 29 April 2011 19:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
"also he just kinda likes Walt."
You think? I am only at ep six or something, but i don't get that feeling. he's just a way of doing better business.
fucking love this show btw
― Nathalie (stevienixed), Friday, 29 April 2011 21:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
re: Saul, sure Walt is a big client for him, but Gus is a client (or employer) too. Taking Walt's side vs. Gus was a really ballsy move that I don't understand from someone as self-centered as Saul.
But we got that scene in the Lazertag arcade out of it, so whatever.
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 29 April 2011 21:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
Without Bryan Cranston this show is nada mucho.
― calstars, Saturday, 30 April 2011 00:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
* would be
the biggest shock the show could deliver at this point is if he dropped dead halfway through a season and they did a bunch of episodes w/o him just to test that theory, though
― hong does your geirden gro (some dude), Saturday, 30 April 2011 00:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
I assume at some point either him or Jesse will die. Or both of them. Or a member of his family.
― Jeff, Saturday, 30 April 2011 00:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
maybe. i feel like since Walt's imminent death is a given they're not gonna kill off any of the other next 2 or 3 biggest characters, though, i don't know if even this show is bleak enough to leave no major character around to even mourn another.
― hong does your geirden gro (some dude), Saturday, 30 April 2011 00:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
My guess would be that skyler is going to die before walt/Jesse. Then they'll deal with walt trying to justify that.
― Jeff, Saturday, 30 April 2011 00:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
Gus is only a removed and occasional referrer of business to Saul, right? If he is Walt's sole representation, then that is regular and lucrative business.
...as long as he can convince Walt to do business sensibly and not destroy everything he touches. Which, oops.
― wicked Nome King, brah (sic), Saturday, 30 April 2011 01:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
yank walt and i likely don't give a shit about the show, it's tru
― And thusly create the illusion of babby (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 30 April 2011 04:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
Saul and Pinkman become flatmates in a half-hour sitcom
― wicked Nome King, brah (sic), Saturday, 30 April 2011 04:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
Would you have watched The Sopranos without Tony? Kind of an odd argument.
― Number None, Saturday, 30 April 2011 11:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
I was just trying to underscore how great Cranston is. Vulnerable yet strong and willful.
I think Jeff is right about Skyler - maybe that's what we'll see at the end of this season.
― calstars, Saturday, 30 April 2011 14:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
not destroy everything he touches.
I don't think that is in fact true. When Jesse said that then I thought: "is that some fucked up way to shove the blame of your gf's od on someone else?" Of course if it wasn't for him, he wouldn't have started deeling hard drugs and not have met that girl. I do like how the show really underlines that cause and effect thing.
Of course he ain't gonna die (from cancer). Not soon anyway.
― Nathalie (stevienixed), Saturday, 30 April 2011 14:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
Of course Cranston is great but so are Aaron Paul, Bod Odenkirk, Giancarlo Esposito and the dude who plays Mike, Jonathan Banks.
― Number None, Saturday, 30 April 2011 14:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
not really feeling Aaron Paul, a lot of his dialogue readings feel really stilted to me, like he has to think really hard to remember to add "yo" at the end of every sentence
― hong does your geirden gro (some dude), Saturday, 30 April 2011 14:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
He's my favourite character at this stage. His big hospital bed monologue was a bit cringeworthy though
― Number None, Saturday, 30 April 2011 14:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, very true. I really like him. The bed scene was cringeworthy and the whole aftermath (him going back) seemed a bit off. It didn't make sense how they got back together to cook. But still, I like his character.
His girlfriend seemed familiar.
― Nathalie (stevienixed), Saturday, 30 April 2011 18:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
She's been in a lot of stuff, I recognized her most from the second season of Veronica Mars. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1269983/
― Nhex, Saturday, 30 April 2011 20:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
Of course if it wasn't for him, he wouldn't have started deeling hard drugs
Yes, Jesse's previous job as a mere manufacturer of hard drugs was shown to be entirely stable and secure in the first episode, when his operation got busted by the DEA
― wicked Nome King, brah (sic), Sunday, 1 May 2011 01:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
he did that one time, and it was supposed to be funny. dude is a good actor. he had a small role in Big Love where he played a totally normal guy that gave me new respect for his work as Jesse.
― rockapads, Sunday, 1 May 2011 03:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
i kindof love krysten ritter & am deeply anticipating audrey hepberns neck
― johnny crunch, Sunday, 1 May 2011 03:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
Oh yeah, of course. He added pili (?) or something to the drugs as his trademark. I think I'm conveniently forgetting this to defend my opinion. ;-)
I don't like Cranston (the character, I mean).
― Nathalie (stevienixed), Sunday, 1 May 2011 12:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
He added Chili Powder
― Number None, Sunday, 1 May 2011 12:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
Unless they totally puss out, a la The Sopranos, the story being told in Breaking Bad can pretty much end only one way (hint: Goodfellas). Alternatively, Walt and Jesse buy it and the wife takes over, with Saul seamlessly switching his allegiances to her.
Or maybe it's just all a dream.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 1 May 2011 13:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
Walt basically has to kill Gus and take over his empire now, doesn't he?
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Thursday, 5 May 2011 15:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
Why would they continue the series without Walt?
― Matt DC, Thursday, 5 May 2011 15:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
this show could go any number of ways, I don't think anything is "imminent" or "given"
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Thursday, 5 May 2011 16:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah...why waste your trump card...they've had plenty of opportunity to kill him
― Phelan Nulty (Local Garda), Thursday, 5 May 2011 16:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
so you think there's a possibility of him surviving the cancer and living to be an old man? (xpost)
― some dude, Thursday, 5 May 2011 16:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
sure! a bitter, bitter old man. he could end up like tuco's uncle!
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Thursday, 5 May 2011 16:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
we all die one day, but i wouldn't say his death is anytime soon, more likely the end of the show.
any sign of the mooted mini-episodes that were meant to happen between seasons?
― Phelan Nulty (Local Garda), Thursday, 5 May 2011 16:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
well "soon" is relative -- the timeline of the show is pretty compressed (i.e. a pregnancy spans the entire first 2 seasons) so they could squeeze several seasons out of the last few months of his life.
― Tuom Sawyer and Fuckababy Finn (some dude), Thursday, 5 May 2011 16:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
creator has said he's down for 1, maybe 2 more seasons
― don't judge a book by its jpg (Edward III), Thursday, 5 May 2011 16:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah i agree with that, i just mean i think his death will be dragged out to be the last event, if it does happen. the cancer scenario seems to be going quite well for him.
― Phelan Nulty (Local Garda), Thursday, 5 May 2011 16:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
At this point he's more likely to be shot and dumped in the desert than die of cancer.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 5 May 2011 16:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
A happy situation I'm sure you'll all agree.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 5 May 2011 16:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
you know where you are with being shot and dumped in a desert
― Phelan Nulty (Local Garda), Thursday, 5 May 2011 16:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
http://www.flickr.com/photos/orion_pax/5697421210/sizes/o/in/photostream/
― Stone Colde Sylke Freek (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 8 May 2011 16:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
xpost I suggest the way the show will end is obvious based mostly on pretty much every TV show of this ilk ever made. But yeah, maybe the show will surprise us all and do something totally different. But probably not.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 8 May 2011 18:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
Continuing the discussion from upthread - the show will never kill Jesse. He is, at this point, the closest thing the show has to a heart. If anything, come the last ep, he'll be the last (significant) one standing.
― Simon H. Shit (Simon H.), Monday, 30 May 2011 10:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
Can imagine this show killing/jailing everyone but Jessie, and leaving him exactly where he started, selling meth on the street corners.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 30 May 2011 13:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
wasn't he cooking meth/banging housewives?
― got electrolytes (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 30 May 2011 13:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
The former at least. Regardless. Maybe it'll be a "Shield" finale special: all the money in the world but unable to spend it.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 30 May 2011 13:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
I can see him dying. I could see an ending where walt is the only major character left alive.
― Jeff, Monday, 30 May 2011 14:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
If they ever kill Jessie, it's going to be a second to last episode or something deal.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 30 May 2011 15:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
so psyched for this
― bloomps! (there it is) (Pillbox), Monday, 30 May 2011 15:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
There are people that still think the end of The Sopranos was a cop out?
― Pompoussin (admrl), Monday, 30 May 2011 17:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
ending of Sopranos was fucking genius imo
― bloomps! (there it is) (Pillbox), Monday, 30 May 2011 17:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
Given the tone of this show, I don't see how it can end without Jesse and Walt losing absolutely everything as the price for their success... Even Goodfellas seems too optimistic.
― Nhex, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 00:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
whatever happens, it will not end well. In the second season, I didn't mind all the suggestive foreboding (w/ the eyeball in the pool in what not) as much as some did, but it did kinda bludgeon w/ its symbolism. I just hope that Vince Gilligan keeps those creative impulses in check when it comes time for Walt & Jesse to reap what they have sewn.
― bloomps! (there it is) (Pillbox), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 01:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
I really hope he doesn't aim for more than 5 seasons.
Also, best/coolest music supervision on TV.
― Simon H. Shit (Simon H.), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 01:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
ending of Sopranos was fucking genius imo― bloomps! (there it is) (Pillbox)^ Thank you
― he he he what would i not eat? (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 03:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
Last night we watched the episode of Deep Space Nine with Tuco in it! He plays an angry, aggro soldier who is all strung out on battle fatigue and PTSD, so not much of a stretch. Also he had pointy side burns.
― phantoms from a world gone by speak again the immortal tale: (Jenny), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 12:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
I am kind of hoping this show ends on a quiet bittersweet note instead of going all Tarantino everybody-dies-at-the-end or whatever. Like: Jesse somewhat gets his shit together, goes to Community college or something, is sadder and wiser. Walt's cancer comes back, but all secrets are in the open now, his family is still intact, and they figure they'll get by somehow with less money. Credits roll before Walt croaks - I don't want this show to ever expect us to cry for either of them at this point.
― rockapads, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 18:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
Trailer for new season out:
http://www.amctv.com/breaking-bad/videos/get-ready-for-breaking-bad-season-4
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 20:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
c'mon AMC, that's just a bunch of clips from s3
july 17 can't come quick enough
― bandcamper van beethoven (Edward III), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 20:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm excited for this! I have cable now, so I get to watch it in real time. There are commercials on AMC, though, right?
― rockapads, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 20:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
just watched all 3 seasons of this in the last few weeks... it really is one of the v best US tv shows. took me a while to really get into - in fact, i would say that i wasn't truly a 'fan' until s3 - and the only reason i stuck with it was the lack of any other deep-drama to watch on the reg. glad i did!!
the whole show is just so... finely crafted. i never saw sopranos so i can't compare, but the first comparison i thought of was 'damages' - it first occurred to me during the scene of hank, after he gets the hoax ph call about marie, arrives at the hospital and realises he's been had: the emotion on his face just instantly reminded me of that scene with glenn close on the beach, violently crying (the one they flash to repeatedly throughout the season).
walt is a dead-ringer for my dad, lol
― just1n3, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 05:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
it is incredibly good, the tension and pacing hasn't been matched by anything i've seen. maybe the fact it only has a couple of characters allows it to really thrive on storytelling.
i watched all six seasons of sopranos in the last 6/7 weeks as i've been out of work, it was enjoyable but i don't even see it as masterful or genius or anything even close. it was a pretty good show with tons of slack in terms of the number of episodes and loads of stupid parts or predictable whackings etc. endless "got myself a new boat, it's called the live forever" moments.
― MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE LIVING HERE!! (Local Garda), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 08:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
The third series of Breaking Bad is one of the best series of any TV show I can remember seeing, partly for the tension and excitem