FF looking to go back into power, but I fancy a large swingback from transfers countrywide, leaving a Labour/FG government still a slight chance...
― darraghmac, Friday, 25 May 2007 14:14 (5 years ago) Permalink
I didn't know there was one. Yay me!
― PJ Miller, Friday, 25 May 2007 14:17 (5 years ago) Permalink
most of my peer group are about the same. but we live in ireland, so that's probably not very acceptable.
― darraghmac, Friday, 25 May 2007 14:19 (5 years ago) Permalink
I am irritated beyond belief by the fact that my stupid housemates completely failed to get themselves on the electoral register and therefore did not vote. Useless eejits. And they're exactly the kind of people who whinge all the time about how shit the government is.
It looks like the usual suspects back in again. The only bright spot in the day could be the ousting of Michael McDowell. Please please please!
― accentmonkey, Friday, 25 May 2007 15:47 (5 years ago) Permalink
yep....am praying McDowell gets booted out after all his "don't vote in a flaky left wing government" crap.
― Ronan, Friday, 25 May 2007 15:52 (5 years ago) Permalink
Joe Higgins look like he could be in trouble.
this election sucks on a number of levels, not least that I am going to lose our work election prediction competition big time.
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Friday, 25 May 2007 16:49 (5 years ago) Permalink
higgins gone, i thought. on a local note, gerry cowley bit the dust a long time ago, to nobody's surprise.
i'm kinda glad to see the viable parties win out over the wacko extreme parties though. particularly the PD's and the greens.
― darraghmac, Friday, 25 May 2007 16:51 (5 years ago) Permalink
Bland centrism for all. Next time around people can moan about how all the politicians are the same.
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Friday, 25 May 2007 17:14 (5 years ago) Permalink
I am gutted and off to get drunk. Well I was going to do the latter anyway but still, I'm in Dublin South East and so far so good. According to the Irish Times at the moment Gormley is 200 votes ahead (so my vote worked!) which leads me to hope that McDowell will be removed. You never know though, until they've sorted through all the (really confusing!) transfers, nothing is certain sadly.
Had to work all day opposite a FFer who thinks McDowell is the best thing for Irish politics! It's been a long day to put it mildly :(
― kv_nol, Friday, 25 May 2007 18:28 (5 years ago) Permalink
ROFL @ Ruari Quinn: "I've just come from the pictures and a bite to eat so I'm only now catching up with the figures. I was at Pirates of the Carribean in which a set of gangsters also won an election" I love him. Also said "Howya" to him on the canal yesterday (he only got my number 2).
Having first glass of wine. I promise first drunken rants will be on this thread if they happen. You're all so lucky.
― kv_nol, Friday, 25 May 2007 19:16 (5 years ago) Permalink
Holy shit. Joe O'Higgins is gone! That is a level 10 on the scale of WTF!
― kv_nol, Friday, 25 May 2007 19:21 (5 years ago) Permalink
YES! FU MMD!!
― kv_nol, Friday, 25 May 2007 19:41 (5 years ago) Permalink
haha so good! they chanted "cheerio cheerio cheerio" at him as he was making his pompous resignation speech.
arrogant prick...
― Ronan, Friday, 25 May 2007 19:58 (5 years ago) Permalink
Totally! J0hn G0rmley was admirable in not calling him an arrogant prick!
Tr3v0r S4rg3nt on the TV, good man himself.
P4t R4bb1te on earlier. The man's a smug cnut but better him than McDowell. Any bets on who will be next government?
Good god! How bad is D4v1d D4v1n-P0wer's dye job. myeyesgogglesdonothing.jpg
― kv_nol, Friday, 25 May 2007 20:29 (5 years ago) Permalink
I'm very impressed by the RTE radio commentators, who were on the air continuously from 12pm until at least 9.30 tonight, when I stopped listening.
The whole thing is, as the Vicar says, a victory for bland centrism. For people who want to protect their pensions and who don't give a shit about anyone who's a bit different. It's all very disappointing.
However, I do believe that the flight to the two major parties is a signal of something big coming around the corner, but I just can't quite figure out what that something is, other than the no-doubt upcoming economic downturn. I think the FF people got a bit of a fright this year, and that's why they ran for their first preferences, to keep themselves safe.
If I was Mary Harney, I'd be laughing my ass off right about now.
― accentmonkey, Friday, 25 May 2007 22:11 (5 years ago) Permalink
I would have liked to have seen Beverly Cooper Flynn out on her arse as well. Shame.
― accentmonkey, Friday, 25 May 2007 22:15 (5 years ago) Permalink
Our economy is not going to be doing too well in a year. It makes me very sad to know that I am buying a house (I hope) where the interest will be more than the increase in value... Still beats when my parents bought and it was at 17 or 19%. Madness!
What's interesting for me is that there is an old maxim along the lines of: When stocks are rising, buy a house. When Houses are rising, buy stock. If I wasn't desperate to buy a house I'd be trying the stock market.
But yeah, I'm really disappointed. I had real hopes that the Greens would make a real splash. I never wanted them to be a leading party in the day to day but I wanted them to have some kind of environmental influence. I do think they did though, politicans do like to be seen as hip to da groove etc.
MH didn't look like she was laughing. It's probably a bit tough to see the party that she gave so much to (I am trying to be nice here) used as the scapegoat by the party that she and others split from. It's like an abusive partner turning around after 10 years off the booze and lamping you on a bender. I suppose.
― kv_nol, Friday, 25 May 2007 22:46 (5 years ago) Permalink
I'm pretty sure, though, that she must be delighted that Mad Dog presided over the demise of the party rather than her, and that after hounding her out of the leadership position, his ludicrous arrogance and thorough unpleasantness lost it for him.
Kev-lol, if you're buying a house because you want somewhere to live, then you'll be fine.
― accentmonkey, Friday, 25 May 2007 22:56 (5 years ago) Permalink
True enough re. PD.
That's what I'm going on at the moment. I'd love a clear sign that hey, a house is the best thing to buy right now :)
― kv_nol, Friday, 25 May 2007 23:16 (5 years ago) Permalink
LOL @ David of the bad dye job on the tv re. Nazi boy:
"His wife and sons haven't seen much of him over the past 5 years so this is a cloud with silver lining"
Bad journalism I call you RTE! Bad suits, I call you the weatherman, Inspira Carmere I call you ruin! Good night my dears, I'm off to bed. It's a FF government tomorrow but at least my constituency is safe. Keep it local (and personal), that's my motto.
― kv_nol, Saturday, 26 May 2007 00:13 (5 years ago) Permalink
they chanted "cheerio cheerio cheerio" at him as he was making his pompous resignation speech.
That struck me as being a bit boorish. I am now starting to feel sorry for Maccer.
Am I the only person who dislikes the PDs less than Fianna Fáil?
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Saturday, 26 May 2007 11:07 (5 years ago) Permalink
You're joking! I don't think you're alone really, I would have more time for them if they had a) seemed more independent (not so reliant on FF) and b) had chosen different leaders over the past few years.
― kv_nol, Saturday, 26 May 2007 11:35 (5 years ago) Permalink
If Harney is the only PD elected, does that make her an independant?
― I know, right?, Saturday, 26 May 2007 11:53 (5 years ago) Permalink
No, she is a member of a party (in the same way that Joe Higgins is, say).
But she would count as an Independent for Dáil rules, as a parliamentary group needs to have at least seven members.
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Saturday, 26 May 2007 12:18 (5 years ago) Permalink
You're joking!
SRSLY, you'd rather have Chris Andrews as your TD?
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Saturday, 26 May 2007 12:19 (5 years ago) Permalink
No, I voted Gormley, Quinn and Creighton. Also Andrews is young but based on personal experience (he taught one of my best friends and when I visited said school for an open day he was v friendly and decent joking about his brother [the bloody awful David McS4v4ge, the twit in Temple Bar or Grafton Street with the drum on his back] who was based in Denmark at the times) I would have plenty of time for him. I would actually have voted for him if he had been with any other party (even PD if only to get rid of Michael)!
― kv_nol, Saturday, 26 May 2007 12:55 (5 years ago) Permalink
why do you keep google guarding all these names?
do you reckon McDowell will have to get a job in the Centra in the triangle in Ranelagh? Or maybe he will get some kind of entry level job as a technical writer. I hear Liz O'Donnell is starting in McDonalds soon.
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Sunday, 27 May 2007 12:57 (5 years ago) Permalink
I googleproof out of habit I suppose :)
I hear that Godfather's pizza is looking for deliverymen, I know I'd tip heavily if he came to my door lest he "make shit of my driveway" (sic). Liz O'Donnell hasn't worked before so she won't start now. I'd say Mr O'Donnell will be pulling extra shifts now! [/sexism]
― kv_nol, Sunday, 27 May 2007 13:26 (5 years ago) Permalink
Are you kidding? He's one of the most arrogant, insulting, obnoxious people in public life and he deserves to be treated poorly. He treats other people poorly. Screw him. It's not like people booed Liz O'Donnell when she lost. Anyway, she's popular enough that she could actually get a proper job doing something else.
I am depressed about the whole election. Irish people are idiots.
― accentmonkey, Sunday, 27 May 2007 15:54 (5 years ago) Permalink
Irish people are idiots.
Fixed :)
I think that DV might have been winding us up. I hope so anyway...
― kv_nol, Sunday, 27 May 2007 16:39 (5 years ago) Permalink
No, I don't think he is. He is a sporting gentleman who believes people should be treated in a civilised way, even if they are Mad Dog.
I disagree.
― accentmonkey, Sunday, 27 May 2007 16:44 (5 years ago) Permalink
Oh dear! Well it's good to know that there are people out there like that anyway!
― kv_nol, Sunday, 27 May 2007 17:08 (5 years ago) Permalink
Yes, yes it is. I would not want to stoop to McDowell's level.
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Sunday, 27 May 2007 19:24 (5 years ago) Permalink
Stupid question, is there a complete list of the election results anywhere on the Interweb?
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Sunday, 27 May 2007 19:28 (5 years ago) Permalink
I don't know. Sorry. Not very helpful.
― accentmonkey, Sunday, 27 May 2007 21:01 (5 years ago) Permalink
Irish Times website was pretty good throughout.
― kv_nol, Sunday, 27 May 2007 21:22 (5 years ago) Permalink
I found it very annoying - I kept getting e-mails from people telling me that person X or Y had lost their seat, with nothing obvious about it on the text based Internet. RTE was pretty rubbish too, unless you were using streaming audio.
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Monday, 28 May 2007 12:15 (5 years ago) Permalink
RTE's website was truly dreadful wasn't it?
Just a big mess with some gigantic picture taking up space where info should have been. Amazing in this day and age.
― Ronan, Monday, 28 May 2007 12:49 (5 years ago) Permalink
I suppose we can be grateful that it didn't have a song in the background or smily faces at the end of every article!
― kv_nol, Monday, 28 May 2007 12:52 (5 years ago) Permalink
Or the Lizard King.
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Monday, 28 May 2007 16:49 (5 years ago) Permalink
I... I don't understand...
― kv_nol, Monday, 28 May 2007 17:28 (5 years ago) Permalink
Santorum.jpg
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Monday, 28 May 2007 17:45 (5 years ago) Permalink
Oh right, cheers for pointer towards thread. That boy works so hard!
― kv_nol, Monday, 28 May 2007 19:15 (5 years ago) Permalink
I was pretty pleased with the election results, all told. I must have vastly different priorities to EVERY OTHER IRISH ILXOR. I do agree that the coverage was terrible. I was in the UK on Thursday pm, Friday and Saturday and found it very difficult to track progress.
I think that the result could have been easily foretold from a 50/50 perspective - with the mud-slinging fantango before polling the vote was going to swing violently in the direction of FF and FG, those that lost out (primnarily the PDs) did so on the basis of a leader who spoke unreservedly, which our electorate didn't appreciate.
McDowell was in my constituency and I am delighted with that result. I agree that Mary Harney must have had quite a chuckle behind closed doors.
― Lara, Monday, 28 May 2007 19:23 (5 years ago) Permalink
I thought the coverage (TV & Radio) were fantastic! Papers, not so much sadly enough.
McDowell was brought down by his ego, pure and simple. He couldn't leave things alone, took everything personally (something well pointed out by that other egomaniac Adams during the debate) and couldn't help but preen near a camera. He was determined to lead the PDs and was blinded by his own greed to the fact that he was being handed a poisoned chalice. Truth be told, I think Harney acted in a mercenary manner but anyone could have seen the writing on the wall really!
What are your priorities Lara? My concern was that I wanted to remove the established old boys club for a new one (sigh). Also I wanted the Greens to have more of an effect, I would have been happier with them being bigger because while their policies are fairly limited I do want them at cabinet level for discussion. I hope that there will be one or two changes but I'm not sure that they'll really happen.
― kv_nol, Monday, 28 May 2007 19:32 (5 years ago) Permalink
given the possible bump coming in the economy, i think consolidation was always going to be the order of the day coming up to this one.
is it possible FF knew it too, and played to it?
― darraghmac, Monday, 28 May 2007 19:34 (5 years ago) Permalink
It's kind of an interesting one, because, as you say, the flight to the two main parties obviously means that the electorate is jittery about something, and the coming five years could possibly not be great for whoever's in government, so why do FF want it so bad right now, when possibly the smart thing to do would have been to soft pedal a bit and maybe let the others take over and screw up. Maybe FF reckons things aren't going to be so bad.
I am highly amused that the first business day after the election results and the Mahon tribunal is right back with the massive irregularities in Bertie's testimony regarding his money.
― accentmonkey, Monday, 28 May 2007 19:44 (5 years ago) Permalink
Quite right and I wonder what effect this commentary will have on the formation of our new government?
To be honest I think our often a-political electorate voted for the people who ran the best campaigns - on a local and national level. Those who didn't convince in the TV debates lost in waves. McDowell and Adams are most notable here.
I was in the UK and it was virtually impossible to find out what was going on. UK coverage = almost nil. Limited web coverage too.
― Lara, Monday, 28 May 2007 19:49 (5 years ago) Permalink
McDowell did v badly on the debate 'tis true! I don't think it was the debate that threw it away for Adams, I think people got spooked by the idea of SF being in government! Lucinda Creighton totally proves your point though, she managed to get through on v little except fluff, that says she does seem really copped on and ready for what's next.
Mahon tribunal appears to have already messed up with their timing sadly enough. I don't really hold any faith in the tribunal system any more. It's not like I had much to begin with.
Everyone's expecting a bump, it's making houses cheaper but scares the shit out of me re. buying at the moment. All that crap about Stamp Duty didn't help.
― kv_nol, Monday, 28 May 2007 20:08 (5 years ago) Permalink
SF was surely a long shot but Adams was terrible on economic policy, health service etc. It appeared that they (SF) had a single policy agenda.
Creighton is apparently brilliant, although I hate Enda Kenny too much to have voted FG. She's a non-practicing barrister. She and Varadkar seem to be the new breed of FG.
Is there any possibility of putting a stop to these tribunals? I predict a much more emphatic vote of togetherness if we were given that opportunity. And the savings could cover the cost of Stamp Duty!
― Lara, Monday, 28 May 2007 20:14 (5 years ago) Permalink
Btw - I say buy anyway, if that's what you want. The Stamp Duty issue will be negated by price inflation for the next 1-2 years for definite.
― Lara, Monday, 28 May 2007 20:16 (5 years ago) Permalink
UK coverage = almost nil. Limited web coverage too.
I thought it funny how the UK media were still running with the "Bertie to be thrown out of office by sulky electorate" story long after the polls were showing a bounceback for FF.
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Monday, 28 May 2007 21:36 (5 years ago) Permalink
That's what I'm banking on Lara but thanks, always nice to get the reassurance.
Watching Questions and Answers last night. Poor Fiona O'Malley :(
― kv_nol, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 07:39 (5 years ago) Permalink
Was she a bit sadface?
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 09:29 (5 years ago) Permalink
I think a bit shellshocked! She didn't really have anything except stock replies which really weren't that convinving. I just felt a bit sad thinking that for her it was much more than a party. Their biggest mistake was putting McDowell as leader, that killed the party. They were wondering last night if PDs could bounce back, O'Malley tried to point to FG as an example but it was pointed out that they were coming from 33, not 2. I think PDs be finished.
― kv_nol, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 10:14 (5 years ago) Permalink
sorry did i just hear my radio right?
bertie's legal team has attacked the tribunal for interfering in the democratic process by investigating him publicly in the leadup to the formation of the new government.
can we really be letting this guy in again?
― darraghmac, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 11:06 (5 years ago) Permalink
Yes. Him and his lovely grandkids: "No wait, don't look at my bank statements! Look at the babbies, aren't dey lovely? Ah bless Rocco JayZ Fifinoodle threw up! How can a corrupt politician have such lovely babbies?"
― kv_nol, Tuesday, 29 May 2007 11:24 (5 years ago) Permalink
THE GREEN PARTY HAVE BETRAYED ME! Unbelievable. I wouldn't have voted for them had I know this was going to happen.
Also LOL x LOTS:
Mayo Fianna Fáil ‘in limbo’ Tuesday, 19 June 2007
M1ch43l Duffy and 41n3 Ry4n
THE honorary secretary of the Castlebar-based Johnny Jordan Cumann, Eamon Joyce, has this week stated that the comments made by An Taoiseach Bertie Ahern in relation to Beverley Flynn rejoining Fianna Fáil have left the party ‘in a state of limbo’ at grassroots level in the county. Mr Joyce said the comments from the Taoiseach on RTÉ radio’s News at One were ‘totally unexpected’ and were in stark contrast to the sentiments expressed by headquarters before the recent General Election. “We didn’t expect it all and we really fail to see where the Taoiseach is coming from on this one. As far as we can see, there is nothing but uncertainty surrounding Deputy Flynn at present. Her matters with RTÉ remain outstanding and now we have her constitutional challenge pending. God knows how long that is going to take,” said Mr Joyce, who said the hardworking members of the party now once again had to adopt a ‘wait-and-see approach’. “What we really should be at is getting our house in order ahead of the local elections which are not that far away. In all honesty, it could still be two or three years before all the matters involving Deputy Flynn are resolved.” Mr Ahern also said at the weekend that the process of Ms Flynn going back into Fianna Fáil would have to be resolved with her ‘local organisation’, but Mr Joyce said that clarification would have to be sought from party headquarters in relation to this process and also the process of re-admitting former members of Fianna Fáil who clearly canvassed for Ms Flynn before the General Election. “After the Taoiseach’s comments, there are now people who feel they have legitimate claims to rejoin the party proper so we will have to seek clarification on this issue.” Mr Joyce also refused to admit that allowing Deputy Flynn back into Fianna Fáil was the only way forward for the party in the county, as a Fianna Fáil TD would then be based in both Castlebar and Ballina. “That all sounds great in a perfect world but unfortunately that’s not the case at present. We will just have to cross every bridge when we come to it and deal with the situations as they present themselves to us,” added Mr Joyce. Mayo’s only elected Fianna Fáil deputy, Dara Calleary, also refused to herald the Taoiseach’s comments as solving all the problems faced by the party in the county. The newly-elected TD also felt that the comments were ‘a bit premature’. “Once all the outstanding issues are resolved and there has been widespread consultation with the local organisation, it should be considered. I think the feeling on the ground is mixed and there will be some opposition to her being brought back in. The consultation needs to take in all of this,” said Deputy Calleary, stressing the importance of the local organisation in this process. He also acknowledged that the dissolution of the Micheál Ó Moráin cumann in 2005 and the local political fall-out from that now seemed pointless. In June 2005, Fianna Fáil National Secretary, Seán Dorgan, and Minister Noel Dempsey were involved in a number of meetings spearheading party re-organisation in the constituency. At the time the official party-line was that the Micheál Ó Móráin cumann was disbanded due to its continued support for Beverley Flynn, at that stage an Independent TD, having been expelled in 2004 after her failed Supreme Court appeal over the RTE libel case. In an RTÉ interview last Friday, Bertie Ahern also said that he was very conscious that Ms Flynn was ‘a person of considerable ability’ and ‘we have a job to do in Mayo and in the west, we have to build up our strength as a party in the future’. The Taoiseach went on to say: “I can’t give a commitment but I am in support of her in the party and I am also very conscious she is a person of considerable ability. I do believe that she had potential into the future to be a person that has capabilities of being an officer holder.” Sources close to Ms Flynn feel that the Taoiseach’s comments mean he will consider her for a junior ministerial post when the current cabinet is re-shuffled two-and-a-half years into its term.
Constitutional challenge adjourned until July
Meanwhile, lawyers for RTÉ have described Deputy Flynn’s constitutional challenge as being a ‘litigious frolic in her own interest’. The comments were made on Monday afternoon after lawyers for Ms Flynn outlined the grounds on which she wants to postpone bankruptcy proceedings being taken against her by RTÉ. Her senior counsel, Gerard Hogan, said Ms Flynn was challenging the constitutionality of part of the 2002 Electoral Act, which disqualifies someone judged to be bankrupt from being a member of the Dáil. He said she had raised major constitutional issues of public importance, and they were seeking an urgent, early hearing of the constitutional proceedings. The matter has been adjourned for two weeks. Before the case was adjourned, Mr Hogan told Judge Elizabeth Dunne that Ms Flynn was served with a bankruptcy petition on June 2 after RTÉ failed to recover almost €3m in costs incurred by her in a failed libel action against the station. He said she had already offered almost €600,000 to RTÉ, but that offer was rejected because RTÉ did not believe she had done all she could to discharge her debt. The Electoral Act of 2002 provides that if a member of the Dáil is declared bankrupt and fails to discharge that bankruptcy within six months, they will be disqualified from membership of the Dáil. Mr Hogan said the wishes of the electorate must be respected by the Oireachtas. He said there was inconsistency in the way members were disqualified. Senior counsel for RTÉ, Cian Ferriter, said costs against Beverley Flynn had been assessed in September 2005 at more than €2m and interest was accruing at a rate of €500 a day. And he said Ms Flynn had not paid a ‘red cent’ of that money. He said RTÉ had obligations to its licence payers and had to take this action for bankruptcy. He said RTÉ had grave concerns about Ms Flynn’s efforts to postpone or adjourn the bankruptcy proceedings. He said she was embarking on litigation in her own interest to block the consequence she most feared, with complete disregard for RTÉ and its licence payers. He said the constitutional proceedings were nakedly self-interested and would actively prejudice RTÉ. He added that RTÉ had had to bear the very costly consequences of her previous frolic and was now being asked to sit back while she embarks on another one.
― kv_nol, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 12:39 (5 years ago) Permalink
Does anyone remember GREEN NIGHTMARE, the Sun's nightmare vision of what the UK would be like under a Green government?
Now that nightmare has come true in Ireland.
The worst thing is the silence.
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 15:11 (5 years ago) Permalink
When the Greens came for the motorists, I remained silent; I was not a motorist.
When they locked up the social smokers, I remained silent; I was not a social smoker.
When they came for the jaded journalists, I did not speak out; I was not a jaded journalist.
When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out.
(sorry mr. Niemöller)
― kv_nol, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 16:08 (5 years ago) Permalink
I suspect that FF have gone into government with the Greens in part to buy themselves some time with the Big Guns in Yerp who want to start fining us over our emissions.
― accentmonkey, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 16:09 (5 years ago) Permalink
This is your future.
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 12:16 (5 years ago) Permalink
Oh noes!
― kv_nol, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 12:23 (5 years ago) Permalink
the greens are there for two main reasons-
they were cheap to get in, compared to labour.
they are soo fukn flakey that even people that should know better will be blaming them when things start to go wrong. see PD's for example.
― darraghmac, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 12:29 (5 years ago) Permalink
any progress on house kv? where are you buying?
I bet the Greens will bring in a law saying that everyone has to live in TEEPEES.
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 12:45 (5 years ago) Permalink
Don't start, I need to find and be in by first of october. I don't think that'll be happening though! Yay for sympathetic uncles!
It's not so good darraghmac, I can't really get into it which is v bad. Also this whole thing about the stamp duty has fecked me up quite badly re. being willing to pay it in the first place so I was hoping to jump over other people. Looking at Crumlin, Inchicore, Stoneybatter and anywhere I can get. I don't want a flat and those areas have older houses that seem fairly solid. Are you an owner or looking at the moment?
Greens will be destroyed by FF. It's what they deserve imho.
― kv_nol, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 13:10 (5 years ago) Permalink
not an owner, have quarter share in family home where i'm currently staying with one of my brothers.
wouldn't buy anywhere near me at the moment, rural houses and smaller towns won't be worth shite in three or four years, as far as i can see.
i see tradesmen are all over the meedja in the last week or two crying about the slow down. boo fukn hoo you bloodsuckin fucks..
― darraghmac, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 13:31 (5 years ago) Permalink
OTM!
Nice one re. quarter share. Now if only he could be persuaded to marry... Meath will always stay pretty hot I'd say, Wicklow and environs could be very surprisingly boomy-y.
I've been wary of commuter belts (like navan road etc and beyond to the west) since the start: I can't drive! Also I felt that there was no way in hell there would be a proper infrastructure in place. Years later I am being proven right. Yay me, boo people getting hit for difference.
― kv_nol, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 13:43 (5 years ago) Permalink
i think the greater dublin area (wherever you consider that to be yourself) is going to be fine- demand will be strong there for a long time yet.
a decent public transport (esp rail) network would help keep things strong for the forseeable future, but sure hey, anyone could tell you that.
not really nice one re quarter share, it was inherited. and he's not getting married until he learns to wash up after himself.
― darraghmac, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 13:58 (5 years ago) Permalink
Oh man, sorry.
Yeah, railways would be good if it weren't for the fact that every one of our fancy new transport systems bottlenecks at some point or another. There really is no smooth-flow plan so far as I can tell.
It's not so bad though, if I could get within cycling distance of city centre would be great!
― kv_nol, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 14:06 (5 years ago) Permalink
everywhere is within cycling distance, wimp.
― darraghmac, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 14:10 (5 years ago) Permalink
My God, it's like my father has found ILX!
― kv_nol, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 14:12 (5 years ago) Permalink
I for one salute our new Green Party overlords.
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 14:29 (5 years ago) Permalink
they wouldn't have allowed bernard manning, for a start.
― darraghmac, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 14:53 (5 years ago) Permalink
DV could be on to something. Do you have the inside track on that darraghmac, or should I say Green Party member #666???
― kv_nol, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 14:56 (5 years ago) Permalink
ha! green party cadidate for my constituency was a stoner sk8er boi student. not my first choice.
i voted for Enda, cos he's actually a very nice man in person. and i wanted strolling access to the taoiseach.
― darraghmac, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 15:00 (5 years ago) Permalink
Enda seems alright, too much of a wimp to be presidential in the way in which he was trying to sell himself!
― kv_nol, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 15:01 (5 years ago) Permalink
didn't get dirty enough in the run up. hope he's learned his lesson.
― darraghmac, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 15:03 (5 years ago) Permalink
You think that he'll try for leader again at the next election??? Come on, it'll be Lucinda Creighton for sure!
― kv_nol, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 15:10 (5 years ago) Permalink
i have never heard of all these FG'ers called Lucinda Creighton. enda gets another shot without a doubt.
― darraghmac, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 15:12 (5 years ago) Permalink
Who knows, it's not like he did a bad job at all. They made the most gains after all and that can hardly have been in spite of him! LC is the young lady who is definitely being groomed as a Mary Harney. She is also orange.
Apologies for comments on five words thread, I'm done.
― kv_nol, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 15:16 (5 years ago) Permalink
no bother.
― darraghmac, Wednesday, 20 June 2007 15:19 (5 years ago) Permalink
Trevor Sargent has quit. Will the PDs keep going do you think?
Had v bitter conversation with friend last week about Labour. Appears there is great disillusionment within the ranks.
― kv_nol, Monday, 16 July 2007 09:37 (5 years ago) Permalink
That hoor Gormley's now leader of the Greens. Why did I even bother :(
― kv_nol, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 09:50 (5 years ago) Permalink
why, were you hoping that Patricia McKenna would get in and stamp out the scourge that is vaccination and water fluridation?
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 12:08 (5 years ago) Permalink
Some have said that the government might not have a majority in the Seanad after the elections next week. This could threaten the very foundations of the state.
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 12:09 (5 years ago) Permalink
Ha ha no... I'm just still very disappointed with the way things went. I don't think I would have voted Green had I known. Ach, of course I would! It's a pity though, I had hoped that they would be an alternative rather than just cosy up immediately! What's the story re. Seanad and collapse of Ireland as we know it?
― kv_nol, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 12:12 (5 years ago) Permalink
when the two Houses are divided against each other, only civil war can be the result.
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 15:39 (5 years ago) Permalink
Ah FFS! At least I don't have a brother to be fighting against. Maybe an elder sister. Oh jesus, I'm dead in that case :(
― kv_nol, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 15:41 (5 years ago) Permalink
I wonder who would win a Dáil v. Seanad Civil War? The Dáil is bigger, of course, but the Seanad would be able to mobilise NUI engineering graduates into squads of fedaykin death commandos.
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Thursday, 19 July 2007 09:48 (5 years ago) Permalink
Dail has better bar = more beserkers = higher kill rate = teh winnah!!11!
― kv_nol, Thursday, 19 July 2007 09:59 (5 years ago) Permalink
The Dáil and Seanad share the same bar.
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Thursday, 19 July 2007 12:35 (5 years ago) Permalink
Oh noes! I thought they were seperate because of the whole smoking in the pub thing! Hmmm. Well I suppose it could all be Gangs of New York face off on merrion row! Isn't Seanad full of old people? One kick to hip and down a beating they slip. Needs work but it's roughly okay...
― kv_nol, Thursday, 19 July 2007 13:13 (5 years ago) Permalink
I thought they were seperate because of the whole smoking in the pub thing!
I do not understand this line of reasoning.
― The Real Dirty Vicar, Friday, 20 July 2007 14:12 (5 years ago) Permalink
That is because u r fule (also that whole TD smoking against the rules thing was reported as happening in the Dail bar). It is not important.
― kv_nol, Friday, 20 July 2007 14:23 (5 years ago) Permalink
Not starting another thread for NAMA, but the figures are out:
NAMA will buy €77bn NBV of property loans for €54bn. Market value is not something anybody is talking about.
Anybody interested?
― What are the benefits of dating a younger guy, better erections? (darraghmac), Wednesday, 16 September 2009 16:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
How are ye getting on at all at all?
― Louis Cll (darraghmac), Wednesday, 9 December 2009 16:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
could someone please tell me wtf is up with iris robinson? i realize this is northern ireland we're talking about rather than irelandireland, but i heard about this on the radio and i live in chicago. this is crazier than hiking the appalachian trail...
― figgy pudding (La Lechera), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 15:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
this is the best explanation of what i know so far, plus suicide attempthttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/8447383.stm
― figgy pudding (La Lechera), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 15:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
It's all a bit train-wreck.
I love a couple of things about all this.
1. Nornie politicians be as loving of backhanders from property developers as ours.
2. Isn't this the second financial scandal in the DUP? Didn't Ian Paisley retire partly because his idiot son was involved in some ethically dubious activity?
3. Gerry Adams must love that this is taking the heat of him regarding the child abuse allegations attaching themselves to his brother.
4. I also wonder whether SF still has fund-raising units involved in racketeering and whether these might suddenly spring back into the light.
5. Does the DUP have a shortage of politicians? Iris Robinson was until recently a local councillor, a MLA, and a MP, and Peter Robinson holds at least two of those roles. They also seem to be dominated by a handful of political families (witness their Deputy Leader's wife being their MEP). Do they not have anyone else?
6. It is always nice to see people who shite on about god's law being found out for breaking His commmandments.
7. what kind of 19 year old gets described as an "entrepreneur"?
8. and so on.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 15:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
I imagine I can't tell you anything you don't already know, but here's one reason why people are so interested in this charming lady's family values slipping:
"I cannot think of anything more sickening than a child being abused. It is comparable to the act of homosexuality""There can be no viler act, apart from homosexuality and sodomy, than sexually abusing innocent children."
― ⍨ (a passing spacecadet), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 15:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah, she's a mess. who voted for her? she's worse than blago, and that's no small statement.
― figgy pudding (La Lechera), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 15:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
the good folk of Strangford voted for her, by a pretty chunky margin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strangford_(UK_Parliament_constituency)#Election_results
― The New Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 15:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
Benjamin: "The more antagonistic a person is toward the traditional order, the more inexorably he will subject his private life to the norms that he wishes to elevate as legislators of a future society. It is as if these laws, nowhere yet realized, placed him under obligation to enact them in advance at least in the confines of his own existence. The man, on the other hand, who knows himself to be in accord with the most ancient heritage of his class or nation will sometimes bring his private life into ostentatious contrast to the maxims that he unrelentingly asserts in public, secretly approving his own behavior, without the slightest qualms, as the most conclusive proof of the unshakable authority of the principles he puts on display. Thus are distinguished the types of the anarcho-socialist and the conservative politician."
― counter-clockwise (lukas), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 16:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
ok, so here's my question: are they just afraid of who else might rise to power if they don't vote for her (the daley model) or do they not care or did they trust her? does she appear otherwise dutiful and normal in her public appearances or is she a loose cannon type?
― figgy pudding (La Lechera), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 16:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
NI politics is a mess. None of my N. Irish friends vote because they don't feel there are any viable options for people who don't want to vote for any old nutjob along the lines of "usuns against themmuns".
There are some cross-community parties, but when I've asked if they wouldn't consider them either they're too small to get anywhere or it's "well they say they're neither this nor that but actually..." and so on. I don't know if it's true or not but there's just such ingrained suspicion/mistrust/contempt for the political system among everyone I know. Self-perpetuating, of course, but how can you break it?
I am not Northern Irish so don't really know enough to talk about this, sorry for wading in.
― ⍨ (a passing spacecadet), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 16:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
i am obviously not northern irish either, but this is interesting to me. people are disinclined to vote for so many reasons, and i guess i'm interested in the varying reasons people don't vote in other countries or, alternately, how such wretched people always wind up in "public service" and stay there forever.
― figgy pudding (La Lechera), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 16:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
I read a pretty interesting article once about how/why the more moderate parties on both sides had actually declined since the Good Friday agreement and the parties with previous militant associations picked up more votes, but I can't find it now. It makes sense in a way but it seems a shame that more strongly sectarian voting patterns should become even more entrenched at the same time as making such major progress.
(I do not know if the UUP are any less crazy than the DUP, but I feel bad for the SDLP losing ground)
(Confession: seeing as Northern Irish partner and his friends aren't interested in politics chat, I get most of it from the banter on the NI music scene forum, which I thought had been strangely silent on this issue until just there now when I realised the epic 19-page thread on the front page entitled "Iris / Adultery" was not in fact promoting a two-band bill of doomtastic post-metal sounds)
― ⍨ (a passing spacecadet), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 16:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
I am always a bit suspicious of supposedly moderate Nornies and their disdain for cross-community parties.
The Slugger O'Toole blog is meant to be good for people who are interested in politics Up There.
The GFA entrenched a system whereby to win votes you had to be from one or other community. It arguably then makes sense to compete on the basis of being the party best qualified to stick it to the other community.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 16:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
Disdain for cross-community parties seems weird/frustrating to me too but if I'd grown up to be so suspicious of politicians' motives I'd probably feel it too.
Plus I am well aware that e.g. there are things I think I know about the Tories that can't be learnt from looking at their website, so if someone tells English old me that I don't know the full story about a NI party, I have to agree that I probably don't, and that the background renders misunderstandings potentially nastier over there.
I look at Slugger O'Toole occasionally and it's usually worth a read, if sometimes hard for an outsider to unpack, yes.
Did the wording of the GFA specifically entrench this system? I agree that it has become further entrenched since the GFA. (Genuine question, would like to read more about how it happened)
― ⍨ (a passing spacecadet), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 16:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
i couldn't really even think of participating in a conversation about this scandal on a political level, but on a personal level it's fascinating.
― figgy pudding (La Lechera), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 17:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
The GFA required parties in the NI Assembly to designate themselves as Nationalist or Unionist, and it requires the First Minister to be from the majority community and the Deputy First Minister to be from the minority, with both being elected on one slate that has to win in both communities.
I think when the DUP were against the Agreement they experimented with tactically declaring themselves Nationalists to cause trouble, but were blocked from doing this... am I remebering this right?
― The New Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 12 January 2010 17:16 (3 years ago) Permalink
what kind of 19 year old gets described as an "entrepreneur"?
the kind that doesn't call himself a gigolo?
have we done the blasphemy law yet?
― Not a reactionary git, just an idiot. (darraghmac), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 23:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
doctor doctor my eye hurts
there's something in your iris
― plaxico (I know, right?), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 23:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
dr dr my eye hurts
you've been crying excessively because you've discovered your wife is fucking the paperboy. And paid for it.
― Not a reactionary git, just an idiot. (darraghmac), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 23:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
"There can be no viler act, apart from homosexuality and sodomy, than sexually abusing innocent children."
Oh, I hope there was sodomy involved with that guy.
― Enfonce bien tes ongles et tes doigts délicats dans la jungle de (Michael White), Tuesday, 12 January 2010 23:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
Inquiry into the causes of the financial/banking crisis to take place behind closed doors.
Genuinely, is there anyone out there with experience in carrying out a political coup? Bloodless if possible, but the alternative will work also in a pinch.
― ice cool HOOSicle (darraghmac), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 12:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
According to the Irish Times at the moment Gormley is 200 votes ahead (so my vote worked!)
you are part of the problem
― ice cool HOOSicle (darraghmac), Wednesday, 20 January 2010 13:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
George Lee resigns from FG and Dáil Eireann
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Monday, 8 February 2010 12:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
GET THEM OUT
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Monday, 8 February 2010 23:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
feel a wee bit sorry for G. Lee... also feel like there's a bit of a messiah complex going on here.
Based on the initial public reaction it seems like this is pretty bad news for FG, which I'm totally fine with, so long as FF don't benefit...
― p-dog, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 00:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
inital public reaction is gonna change the more lee speaks. messiah complex is starting to look more and more appropriate- head of various economic policy task forces and committees, about to be offered a place on the front bench next week (and aware of this) but he quits complaining that he hasn't been able to dictate economic policy. to the opposition party he joined 9 months ago.
it's bad news for enda, certainly, but really if this is the extent of the guy's problems then he's a fucking idiot, has proven himself to be style over substance and has lost a lot of credibility for when he does crawl back to the job he stated publicly wouldn't be held for him last year before he was elected.
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 00:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
what odds a labour taoiseach?
inital public reaction is gonna change the more lee speaks.
probably right. his appearance on joe duffy had me squirming with embarrassment... jd was pressing him on what particular policies/principles had been rejected / ignored by FG, lee refused to be drawn which just makes no fucking sense to me. i do think he is a fucking idiot. kind of beautiful that he's still on leave of absence from RTE! maybe it was all an undercover thing for prime time...
don't know/care enough about FG's internal politics to guess at what this means for enda kenny as opposed to the wider party, but the party line seems steady for the moment, EK expressing presidential "regret" while Varadkar etc put the boot in.
a labour taoiseach eh? that would really be something. definitely seems like it's their time to shine. i'd personally like to see them stop courting coalition partners (so not gonna happen tho).
― p-dog, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 00:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
Ah no Lab needs FG. but even though they'll get in (please god they'll get in FFS) as a junior party in a coalition i can't see FG coming up with a Taoiseach. Enda will be gone before then, (though I'm really unsure who's placed to take over) and will be president before 2020.
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 01:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
never had much time for willie o'dea, but his comment on this was A+-
"George Lee was like FG's bidet- he gave them a touch of class but they didn't know what to do with him"
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 09:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
I very much doubt there will be a Labour Taoiseach unless they win more seats than FG, which is not very likely.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 12:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
While it's a given that FG will have more seats, I'm not at all sure that they'll have a candidate for the top job. At the moment they're not sure that they even have a candidate for party leader to challenge the non-endaty
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 13:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
They will have a party leader, and whoever that is will be their candidate for the top job.
I know other countries sometimes see premiers from junior coalition parties, but it has never happened here, so it would be a real leap. We have only ever had one premier who was not leader of the largest coalition party, and even he was a TD of that party. So I reckon the premiership is in FG's gift, assuming they are the largest party in the next government (which may mean assuming that Labour does not coalesce with the soldiers of destiny again).
― The New Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 14:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
can't see labour breaking at the moment, but there's a serious dearth of ideas/profile/challengers in FG at the moment- I just see Gilmore as a much more taoiseachy prospect. maybe i'm just a crazy dreamer.
would love labour to be the senior partner, btw. FG don't deserve to lead a government, they've been little but a FF reserve outfit the past 20 years.
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 February 2010 15:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
Mmmm yeah, but no real sign of Labour passing FG or FF any time soon.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 10 February 2010 13:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
maybe i'm just a crazy dreamer
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Wednesday, 10 February 2010 13:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
maybe you are.
I'm actually holding out for the new party that Michael McDowell is reputedly about to launch.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 10 February 2010 16:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
anything that stretches out the margins a bit would maybe be welcome?
alternatively, any party with policies* as opposed to reactions to headlines would be a victory worth taking the week off work for.
* not the green party thanks they're imbeciles..
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Wednesday, 10 February 2010 17:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
Angry Enda is maybe more embarrassing than corrupt Bertie.
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 16:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
fg=ff basically we are going to hell no matter what happens imo
― plaxico (I know, right?), Wednesday, 17 February 2010 19:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
LABOUR TAOISEACH MAAAAAN
get that sad sack face off and let's make this shit happen imo
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 February 2010 00:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
yah like thats how i vote but its not srsly gonna happen anytime soon lets call a spade a spade
― plaxico (I know, right?), Thursday, 18 February 2010 00:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
it will happen. there will soon be no alternative, post-enda breakdown, post FF unelectable.
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 February 2010 00:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
yah, also kill all old ppl and creepy young ff types
― plaxico (I know, right?), Thursday, 18 February 2010 00:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
plenty tossers in labour too as far as i recall
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 18 February 2010 00:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
plenty fuckerz generally iirc
― plaxico (I know, right?), Thursday, 18 February 2010 00:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
not voting for fuckers is impossible, so vote them out regularly and at least the brighter fuckers will eventually get the message that you're watching them reeeall closely.
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 February 2010 01:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
"I am a victim here too"
D'you think if we told the wider ILX about this guy they'd even believe us?
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 February 2010 15:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
Who is he?
― Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 18 February 2010 15:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
he is our minister for defence, and the govt are fully behind him.
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 February 2010 15:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
He told a local newspaper that a local councillor in his constituency had involvement in running a brothel, then submitted a sworn statement denying this in the ensuing defamation case. Despite being on tape. He's actually pretty representative of his party, the majority member of govt.
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 February 2010 15:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
I uh...I realise that may be disappointingly bland after the pic.
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 February 2010 15:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah this fucking guy
― plaxico (I know, right?), Thursday, 18 February 2010 17:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
pretty much the go to guy in limerick iirc and and a living testament to how ff r just a racket
― plaxico (I know, right?), Thursday, 18 February 2010 17:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
also genuinely a freaky looking dude. just....no
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 February 2010 17:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
remember q's outside my village local of people looking for favours from Papa Willie back in the 80's
― Michael B, Thursday, 18 February 2010 17:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
'shure idnt he a self taught barrister, fair play to him!'
^^yeah, same old last time i checked in that pub i can never remember the name of
― plaxico (I know, right?), Thursday, 18 February 2010 17:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
When was the last time a FF TD resigned, I wonder?
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Friday, 19 February 2010 10:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
Ray Burke? He resigned government and Dáil all in one "fuck the lot of yis" go.
It would be great if it turned out that O'Dea had been carefully promoting his pals in the army, to such an extent that he came back as Generalissimo next week. Then you'd be sorry.
I'm a bit sorry he's gone - I've always had a sneaking regard for him, but there should be no room for perjurers at the top table.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Friday, 19 February 2010 11:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
first step in collapse of government, or just another distasteful episode that they'll get away with (going back to, oh, the aforementioned Biffo, right?)
i'm not sorry he's gone, he's a good encapsulation of FF arrogance, if not the embodiment of all of their worst traits in one person (that'd be O'Donoghue)
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Friday, 19 February 2010 11:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
Darraghmac, If you're still interested in a coup, I believe the classic text is 'Coup d'État: A Practical Handbook' by Edward Luttwak. I remember liking it, but I haven't read it for years.
― grobravara hollaglob (dowd), Friday, 19 February 2010 11:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
i will keep this in mind. hope willie doesn't get there first.
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Friday, 19 February 2010 11:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
now, if only someone could take enda aside and teach him to read as well as he writes, he'd actually stand a chance:
The following is the full statement by Fine Gael Leader, Enda Kenny TD on the resignation of Minister for Defence, Willie O’Dea
“Resigning his position in Cabinet must have been very difficult for Willie O’Dea and a very trying event for his family. However, Willie O'Dea's resignation was an inevitable consequence of his swearing of a false affidavit before the High Court.
“The refusal of the Taoiseach and his colleagues in government to demand any accountability for this behaviour was the reason that I tabled a motion of no confidence in Deputy O'Dea on Tuesday night.
“Now that he has bowed to the inevitable, he leaves behind a cabinet whose credibility is in tatters. Despite knowing the full facts, the Taoiseach and his Fianna Fail and Green ministers queued up just yesterday to vehemently support Deputy O'Dea, to assert that he had done nothing wrong other than a simple human mistake, and to vote complete confidence in him.
“This debacle raises fundamental questions about the Taoiseach's willingness to enforce proper standards of behaviour in his Government. Despite knowing the facts of this situation since December, Brian Cowen apparently didn't even ask for an explanation until the issue became the subject of a newspaper editorial earlier this week. The tenor of his subsequent defence of Willie O'Dea, during which the Taoiseach said that Deputy O'Dea had met his standard, casts serious doubt about this Taoiseach's understanding of the type of conduct that should be required of cabinet ministers. His handling of this crisis leaves a huge question mark over his judgement and credibility as Taoiseach.
“This affair also leaves the government in disarray. The main partner has confirmed that the Fianna Fail code of ethics has been safely passed on to this generation of the party.
“The junior partners, the Greens, have been emphatically and decisively humiliated and have confirmed their role as Fianna Fail's mudguard.
“Finally, the third leg of this shaky stool, the remnants of the PDs, have confirmed that any sense of values that existed when that party was founded have been well and truly abandoned in favour of retaining power at any cost.”
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Friday, 19 February 2010 14:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
what a fascinating country you live in!
― max, Friday, 19 February 2010 14:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
i have no indication as to whether that's sarcasm or not max.
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Friday, 19 February 2010 14:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
i have spent like 20 minutes reading about ff and fg and i still cant figure out what the difference is between them on any issue except europe
― max, Friday, 19 February 2010 14:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
you have grasped it fully imo
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Friday, 19 February 2010 14:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
the difference between them- ff are in power constantly, and fg aren't.
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Friday, 19 February 2010 14:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
exciting!
― max, Friday, 19 February 2010 14:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Friday, 19 February 2010 14:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
but i suspect that it is- the only answer i have is that they're the only politicians we've got, for the time being.
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Friday, 19 February 2010 14:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
no i mean it! i think!
― max, Friday, 19 February 2010 14:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
i have gravely erred in fact in what i told you- the big difference between FF and FG is that FF are against the treaty and FG, while admitting it's imperfections, think it is a document that can be used to pave the way to full independence in time.
that's a fairly big difference, in fairness.
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Friday, 19 February 2010 14:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
the treaty here is not some EU treaty, but a treaty signed 90 years ago between Britain and Ireland.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Friday, 19 February 2010 17:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
its ok, as far as i can tell were still fighting about slavery in the US
― max, Friday, 19 February 2010 17:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
loooool
― plaxico (I know, right?), Friday, 19 February 2010 18:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
Jesus there goes Trevor Sargeant now and all
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 16:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
huh
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 23 February 2010 21:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
Too little too late, mister market gardening enthusiast.
― trishyb, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 00:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
FF know the game, the Greens don't even know they're in it.
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 09:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah, although FF do seem to be playing the game of breaking up their own government. Well done FF.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 11:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
the game is played on different levels- the first level is cut a fucker's throat when he crosses you. Govt stability is level 2 or further (after personal gain). Running the country in a proper manner is level 72.
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 11:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
They might be breaking up this government, but maybe they're doing it on purpose. They've run the PDs into the ground, they're running the Greens into the ground, and it's unlikely that FG and Labour could form a government on their own without other small parties. So maybe they're just playing a medium-term game, ensuring that the next election sees them form a government on their own. Maybe.
― trishyb, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 12:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
another thought- it's not like there's a level of msiconduct that's unbecoming a Minister of State yet is fine for an elected TD.
Where is the pressure on these pricks to quit their posts, not just their perks?
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 12:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
Also I think trishyb could be OTM- FF are fucked, they know they're fucked, and in the circumstances damage to the Greens could be motivated by more than mere spite. Still think it was a reaction to O'Dea first and foremost, and if Lab/FG play their cards half right they'll crush the next election.
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 12:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
I reckon next time round FG and Labour will easily form a government on their own. FF are pissing on their chips in the long run, as they are making it very clear that anyone who goes into government with them will just be fucked over. As they will never be able to win a majority alone, they are perhaps looking at a long spell on the opposition benches.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 12:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
at the next election the electorate get to decide whether these guys have committed an offence that makes them unworthy of sitting in parliament.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 12:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
you have remarkable faith in 'the long run' being a feature in irish politics, particularly in relation to:
they are making it very clear that anyone who goes into government with them will just be fucked over
which has always bneen pretty clear, non?
and
the electorate get to decide
man oh man fuck the electorate. we need a new electorate.
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 12:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
electorate is old ppl
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 13:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
are you saying that they will die soon and then we will have a new one?
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 16:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
Kind of. I mean, they can either vote for these people or vote for someone they completely disagree with, conduct or not.
― grobravara hollaglob (dowd), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 16:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah the hope that there will be a huge influx of new candidates, or even a small inlux of new candidates with a reasonable chance of success, is unrealistic.
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 16:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
it's a lesson that does not always seem to have sunk in. Apparently significant numbers of people in Labour are talking about "keeping their options open", which basically means going into govt with FF.
in fairness to people who go into government with FF, the PDs did well in two elections where they were FF's coalition pals.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 16:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
Apparently significant numbers of people in Labour are talking about "keeping their options open",
here's an option, Labour- get FF out, and start earning your fucking money.
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
jesus christ can you imagine if they start getting cute about the coalition now.
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
Did they? I thought the number of TDs they managed to return diminished with each election. I can't remember though, and that might just have been a function of them being essentially crap and unsustainable as a party anyway.
FF are pissing on their chips in the long run, as they are making it very clear that anyone who goes into government with them will just be fucked over.
Clear to who (whom?) though? If anyone in Labour is honestly thinking about going into coalition with FF, then the lesson is clearly still far from being learned.
― trishyb, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
Oh sorry, the "did they?" refers to the PDs doing well in elections while they were FF partners.
― trishyb, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
Labour can't go with FF, now that I've taken a few deep breaths. Not only on the historical evidence of the long-term damage it does to smaller parties, but also because there's a genuine groundswell of support for Labour's politics and policies (well, as I assume those to be anyway) that will not come around again in a generation, and they would kick that into touch in an instant were they even to be suspected of considering an FF coalition.
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
RIP BIG MAN
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 11:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
for a while, the PDs did better in elections when they were in government (with FF) than when they were in opposition. Maybe they had more to show for their supporters. Or something.
However, the PDs also had a tendency to do very badly in elections every so often, so it maybe was only a matter of time before they did so badly they got wiped out. It might be reading too much into it to say they were wiped out because they were in coalition with FF - they were just bound to get a very bad result sooner or later.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 11:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
PD's political ideology is always going to be cyclically popular or otherwise to a much larger extent than FF, FG. Same with Lab, to be fair, but probably not to the saem extent.
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 11:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
Govt with FF (particularly Justice/Health ministerial posts, how can you win votes on those issues?) was just the killer blow, maybe.
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 11:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
NAMA seems to have been completely ignored on this thread. anybody else think its a terrible idea? there are plenty of alternatives to this crap shoot.
― Michael B, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 12:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'm not normally (hell maybe I am) one to just go along with barroom solicitors' opinion, but NAMA really is just a bailout for developers and banks, to the detriment of everybody else. I've not seen the proposals for dealing with the empty properties across the country, but if the social housing lists aren't decimated then NAMA will have been a complete whitewash.
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 12:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
cullen admitted to hospital now. jeez i'd say minister's health/life/income protection insurance is going through the roof.
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hFNcC7dde6DREm6fdWhjfr3cqCDwD9EGNS980
― max, Thursday, 18 March 2010 14:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
Now there's a surprise, whodathoughit?
― The Oort Locker (Tom D.), Thursday, 18 March 2010 14:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
Never mind that
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 March 2010 14:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
so, have i got this right-
monday morning- director of anglo irish bank arrested, questioned
tuesday- anglo irish admit that pay rises are going ahead in a bank that's effectively in receivership to the government
wednesday- another director of anglo irish bank arrested, questioned
i mean.
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 12:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
tbh i only think this is all funny now
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 12:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
tbh it's funny now.
tbh it's not going to be when the crash comes, and we get to look back on this last decade like americans in the 1930-40's looked on wall street in the 1920's
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 12:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
the crash comes?
― nakhchivan, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 12:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
when the crash comes.
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 12:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
do people in ireland expect it to get drastically worse than it already is?
― nakhchivan, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 13:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
tbh relatively ireland aint that bad, yet, its not the 80s or even the early 90s but i mean
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 13:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
i think it'll get iceland in september or so.
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 13:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
jesus
― nakhchivan, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 13:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
there's still a huge amount of property overvaluation propping up the banks. foreclosures haven't started with gusto yet, but they will before long. the govt were criticised about predicting a 'soft landing' for the housing market instead of a crash in early 2008. that criticism was wrong- we're in the middle of our soft landing.
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 13:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
there's huge amounts of empty houses- if the govt cut a deal to get these finished (create some employment for the 270k+ out of work atm, most of whom are relatively unskilled construction) and transferred to social housing as part of the NAMA deal (clear housing lists, get the blow to property value over quickly, get us off the property-as-an-'investment' fix that killed us) then we might make it.
can't see a FF led builder/banker/homeowner govt going for this, so we'll see ye at the IMF
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 13:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
(ps i am somewhat of a pessimist)
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 13:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
i read the irish times last week and it was a horror story enough what with the opaque banking system and the paedopriests
― nakhchivan, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 13:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
even at the time the bubble seemed deranged, at least in london there is a natural scarcity of land and influx of people that puts a highish limit on any price collapse but the value of a huge mcmansion in the irish countryside is pretty arbitrary in some senses
― nakhchivan, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 13:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
arbitrary?
4/5 bed mcmansions currently offered for rent at about €100 a week, and they're struggling to find biters at that. mortage on a property like that is likely to be anything from 750 pm upwards.
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 13:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
that's kinda insane
― nakhchivan, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 13:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
compared to the sort of figures i'd be familiar with the price per sq ft is negligible, so without the land having much residual value it's sort of difficult to tell what else does? i dunno, you'll notice i'm somewhat unschooled in this area
― nakhchivan, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 13:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
land is rural in large part, rezoned through corrupt local planning decisions. it has absolutely nil residual value in most cases, and the houses are pretty much useless without the owner taking occupation.
i'm not sure about the likes of high density apts, city & town estates in the larger metropolitan areas, but given that there was more money in that side of things i'm fairly happy to assume that even where the values are holding in terms of investor groups picking up some of the slack, the oversupply biult up during the past decade is of at least the same magnitude.
estimates on empty housing units go as far as 300,000 iirc. govt disputes this of course. driving from the west coast to dublin, i'd not be surprised- anywhere west of the shannon new estate occupancy seems to be at about 20% for any development built in the past 3-4 years.
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 13:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
The Construction Industry Federation has said there is a need for accurate, reliable data on housing stock levels.
It was responding to research by UCD which found that there are 345,000 vacant houses and apartments across the country.
The CIF acknowledges that the figure is high but said different studies have come back with a variety of figures.
Its own figures suggest that 35,000-40,000 new homes remain unsold.
It says in Dublin the problem of unsold housing will resolve itself in around nine months, and with no development in the pipeline waiting-lists for housing will result in high growth areas.
The CIF admitted there is a problem in many counties around the country but said the market will ultimately sort that out.
the CIF are economists with the country's best interests at heart. they have rather magnificently been trying to float the idea of knocking all the empty houses as a keynesian macguffin exercise, because, hey, if oversupply's the problem then we've all got sledgehammers, right? expect sledgehammer rental prices, sledgehanmmer wielder wages to rise 40% this year. and on we go.
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 14:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
there are 345,000 vacant houses and apartments across the country.
and there are about 4 million people? that's just.....
i dunno
― nakhchivan, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 14:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
no, i'll do it, i'm good with maths thingies.
everyone gets 1/16 of a house, assumign that all of the units will be accepted into NAMA (they won't be, but then there will be plenty of occupied units taken in under the 'We'll cover your stupidity' initiative.
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 14:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
so what will you do with the airing cupboard of a bungalow in offaly?
― nakhchivan, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 14:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
well pre 2008 the obvious answer was rent it to a polish family.
i work in a housing scheme where the local authorities are renting properties to meet the needs of those on the housing list in the medium term. i can see most of those properties coming on to something like that- using excess capacity to actually solve a major problem.
everyone on a waiting list outside of the major metro areas (of which we have maybe 3) will have their housing need met or negated in the next three years, if we play it smart.
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 14:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
everyone gets 1/16 of a house,
lol. that's 1/12 of a house. so i've upgraded from hotpress to downstairs loo.
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 14:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
thought you must have been using the through the looking glass nu-maths popular in accountancy in the mid 00s
how much of that was developers assuming the population would be swollen by more immigrants? or did they assume everyone would go and buy a 3000sq ft house in the middle of nowhere
― nakhchivan, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 14:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
Developers only need to get a sale, they don't need a view on immigration, etc. Suspect cavalier investors were the target market there.
― Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 14:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
they wouldn't factor into individual developments but surely larger developers would have queried the levels of surplus being created
― nakhchivan, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 14:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
it was banks lending to individuals for the mcmansions, tbh.
then there's a layer of builders that would have always worked in the trade on a one-job-at-a-time basis that got in above their heads. they'd have gotten away with a lot of it as they'd have worked fairly organically- disposing of properties to fund the purchase of other sites, etc. they've mostly folded/are in the process of folding and the banks now own/soon will own whatever unfinished/unsold properties remaind on their portfolios (there are lots of these guys). they just reacted to a big surge in activity/demand for their services, not pre-meditated at all.
then there are superdevelopers, in hoc to banks for hundreds of millions. most of their activites were predatory, cynical and premeditated only in the sense of skimming huge supernormal profit out of the boom. they'll walk away rich for the most part, protected by a labrynthine relationship between govt officials, bankers, the law system and a fairly apathetic/powerless electorate.
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 14:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
NAMA is taking on the bank's toxic balance sheet assets (at a PREMIUM to current market value, btw- think about that at a time when values are plummeting and 350k properties are empty- we are assured that developers will be pursued to the fullest extent by the govt after this occurs. i have grave doubts.
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 14:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
sorry am a it tl:dr on this subject, but if you thought something was happening before your eyes that would lead to you emigrating in protest, you might be a little O_o yrself.
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 14:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
no, it's miserable but sadly compelling reading
labrynthine relationship between govt officials, bankers, the law system and a fairly apathetic/powerless electorate.
this isn't going to change is it?
― nakhchivan, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 15:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
at a PREMIUM to current market value
i believe the term was 'Future Value'.
― Michael B, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 15:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
they're not paying me at 'future value'. why not assume i'll get better at a rate of 8% per annum all of a sudden?
xp all depends on the apathetic part. there will be public sector strike action, i'm only hoping that it's as part of a total shutdown of the country. more than likely, it will be played beautifully as the elite protected workers rubbing it into the faces of the unemployed/private sector.
they're corrupt, venal, self serving and shallow cunts, FF, but they're not fucking stupid
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 15:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
was just pointing out the absurdity of it all with that phrase, darragh. dont see anyone in irish politics willing to switch the game up and the older generation (people who vote) still seem to cling to some hope that shure it'll have to get better soon.
― Michael B, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 15:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
yeah i know.
nobody in irish politics exists that has credibility to lead the assault on the banking and property sectors necessary. it will take something huge from outside the establishment to change that.
joe higgins and pat rabbitte need to procreate, basically. we can shelter the progeny through the dark years as a light in the darkness
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 15:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
CSO Figures show drop of 11.3% from 2008 in GNP
First calls from a backbencher for Cowen to resign. Not news until FF TD's are actually calling for an election, tbh, and not good news until they're decimated in that election.
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Thursday, 25 March 2010 12:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
John Gormley, Green Party Minister and my boss, has asked people to turn off all of their electrical items for an hour at 8.30pm tomorrow.
He's giving a televised speech about it for Earth Hour. Televised. At 8.30pm tomorrow.
― Jermaine Jenason (darraghmac), Friday, 26 March 2010 15:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
NAMA day tomorrow guy. ready for the banks and developers to get the savage valuation of their assets expected?
what, no?
― Jermaine Jenason (darraghmac), Monday, 29 March 2010 11:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
I know I'm talking in an empty room here for the most part, but if the unions buy this deal, on the details I've heard so far, I will fry my hat in a little butter, shallot and nutmeg and consume it with a wilted spinach side.
― Jermaine Jenason (darraghmac), Tuesday, 30 March 2010 09:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
But they worked through the night to get this deal! Funny letter in the Irish Times today suggesting talks shd start in the morning instead of after lunch...
― p-dog, Tuesday, 30 March 2010 09:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
Unions- We don't want any more pay cuts.
Govt- Ok. We can't guarantee that though. We need you to agree to everything we ask- unconditionally, though.
Unions- Sound.
I don't even disagree with the reforms, tbh, but in terms of what the unions said they were seeking they've come out with fuck all.
I expect the details to maybe be a little sharper than what's posted above. But then again maybe not.
― Jermaine Jenason (darraghmac), Tuesday, 30 March 2010 09:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
NAMA day starts with a bang!
Unions & govt agree deal
Quinn Insurance go into administration
― Jermaine Jenason (darraghmac), Tuesday, 30 March 2010 11:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
I mean that last one is without warning, at the request of the financial regulator, and is huge news.
― Jermaine Jenason (darraghmac), Tuesday, 30 March 2010 11:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
Why am I in a union again?
― The New Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 30 March 2010 14:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
ha just mailed a fellow public sector friend asking him if he knew what qualifications you needed to become a union negotiator.
god help the dude if he plays poker.
fuckin shambolic. the govt could have come up with this 'compromise' on their own, except for two aspects- no public-service only pay cuts until 2014, and those under 35k to receive priority in the no-doubt-imaginary pay review of spring 2011.
and the final clause will wipe even those out, because everyone knows full well that the 'unexpected' deterioration in the exchequer is a goddamned fucking certainty.
― Jesse James Woods (darraghmac), Tuesday, 30 March 2010 14:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
btw, those of you not in public sector unions- 'the details' just came out.
― Jesse James Woods (darraghmac), Tuesday, 30 March 2010 14:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
This morning, the Cabinet was briefed by the Minister for Finance, NAMA and the Financial Regulator on the details of the impaired loan and recapitalisation schemes to be unveiled this afternoon.
A formal decision of the Cabinet will initiate the transfer of loans from the banks and building societies to NAMA.
At 4.30pm NAMA is expected to confirm the transfer of the first tranche of loans from Irish Nationwide and EBS and will give details of the discount it has applied to these loans.
It will also set out the discounts to be applied to the loans that will shortly transfer from Bank of Ireland, AIB and Anglo Irish Bank.
These are understood to be well in excess of the 30% estimated by the Government last year.
motherfuckers motherfuckers motherfuckers
― Jesse James Woods (darraghmac), Tuesday, 30 March 2010 15:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
16bn NBV (lols) worth of loans transferred for 8.5bn.
Almost sounds like good value, until you ask whether they're actually worth anything like 8.5bn- it's secured by 5bn worth of assets, the majority of those assets are ...........................
(wait for it)
..........................
LAND
oh good grief i'm fucking emigrating.
― Jesse James Woods (darraghmac), Tuesday, 30 March 2010 16:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
^^^^^^^^^
― p-dog, Tuesday, 30 March 2010 16:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
ok i dont really get any of this really but that last post sounds pretty scary d.
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 30 March 2010 19:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
NAMA isn't turning out as badly as I first feared, actually. First hurdle cleared- we took a lot of bad loans from the banks, essentially, so that they could basically start again without those bad loans screwing up their balance sheets.
The good news is that we haven't overpaid as much as I'd feared. They had to take a 47% hit on average on today's loans.
The next step is now the crucial part- within 31 days anyone that owes money to NAMA will have to present a business plan for repayment. I have real doubts as to FF's ability to chase this aggressively, but as I've said a pleasant enough surprise today, despite my earlier post (was having a bad day besides with the union sellout).
― Jesse James Woods (darraghmac), Tuesday, 30 March 2010 19:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
It's up to the members of the various public sector unions to decide that this deal is acceptable or not. If a private sector firm offered terms like it to their employees backed by 'agree or else' terminology the media would be up in arms. Particularly if the financial situation the firm found itself in was as a result of mismanagement by the very executives arranging the threats/ultimatums.
So much for the protected public sector and their guaranteed contracts, eh?
The public sector, at the end of this crow's feast, will have become a minimum wage occupation at entry level.
Maybe that's a good thing, I don't know. Everyone else seems to think so.
Personally, and specifically relating to this 'deal'- I doubt very much that there is anything better on the horizon (on the day that the empty headed experts predict that we're coming to the end of the recession, mind you! As if!), but I still refuse to vote in favour of this deal.
It was negotiated in bad faith by a union team with more in common with the people opposite them at the fancy Croke Park meeting room table than the people they are paid (and paid well, without the pay cuts the rest of us have suffered) to represent in negotiations.
This deal is not the result of any negotiation process. It's a stinkbomb sent down from above with no editing required from govt inception to release as a fait accompli. When the unions (rightly) reject it as nothing more than a FF wishlist with no guarantee and no compromise from their side, then the media and govt can once again depict us as a band of bloodsuckers out to drain the country's current account of money it doesn't have.
It was a no-lose scenario for FF from the moment our own negotiation team rolled over for them, and I once again commend their political know-how.
A vote against this deal is likely a vote for further media & indeed message board pillorying (did I just invent that word?) of the public sector. It's likely a vote for pay that a lot of us can ill afford to lose going on strike days (which will be cleverly organised by our own unions so that they won't have to pay us any allowances- bet on it). It's certainly going to give this govt carte blanche to cut pay and conditions further (hooray! ten euro per hour take-home, here I come!).
So be it.
This is the first time anyone has been able to register a democratic vote of protest against this government's deeds, failings and methods. I only wish that there was a 'good on ye' attitude from the onlookers, as opposed to the 'tow-the-line ye greedy feckers' attitude that's not exactly served us brilliantly so far.
― Jesse James Woods (darraghmac), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 00:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2010/0414/1224268309304.html
NAMA earning less than predicted. A week into operations.
Also confirms that unfinished developments outside of Dublin will be demolished if they can't be completed economically.
Who could have predicted it eh?
― Jesse James Woods (darraghmac), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 02:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'm in danger of turning this thread into a wasteland. Sorry!
Quinn Insurance accepts the appointment of an administrator.
― Jesse James Woods (darraghmac), Thursday, 15 April 2010 14:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
not at all. but what can you say? that fintan o'toole article the other week saying there's nothing left to do except gtfo struck a depressing chord.
at this stage the best-case scenario is public sector unions rejecting pay deal --> all-out strike --> general strike --> particularly bloody coup d'etat.
― p-dog, Thursday, 15 April 2010 16:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
Jesus that article is depressing. Come to london lads, barely anyone mentions the recession...and booze is cheap.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Friday, 16 April 2010 08:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
This is certainly what I'm hoping for, but I'm pretty sure we all know where a public sector strike will lead. public strike ----> media slaughtering -----> no public support ------> faltering disaster -------> Govt/media triumph -------> futher cuts, this time gloves off.
It's almost like people have forgotten that there are private sector unions. It's certainly as if the public sector unions have forgotten about them as potential allies vs media/govt/big business.
― Jesse James Woods (darraghmac), Friday, 16 April 2010 09:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
labour party conference speech good
― plax (ico), Friday, 16 April 2010 20:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
eh cowley i'm 50-50 on- great, great work locally and he's intelligent and capable. but i mean, letting himself get hijacked by those fucking clowns last time round lost him a lot of support and credibility
― just darraghmac tbh (darraghmac), Saturday, 17 April 2010 00:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
Worth reading, for all that it's in the increasingly cheerleadertastic Irish Times
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2010/0420/1224268693609.html
― just darraghmac tbh (darraghmac), Thursday, 22 April 2010 15:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
Europe riding to the fucking rescue!
― just darraghmac tbh (darraghmac), Thursday, 29 April 2010 09:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
Well, that wasn't ideal last night but in principle I think mobilisation (if people are bothered enough) and 24 hour national strike would be nice.
Anyone got any other viewpoint on it? Low paid public sector non-homeowner smartasses may not be fully representative of the mood out there, I'm aware.
― Black IP's (darraghmac), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 14:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
itt: dmac liveblogs about a country that's even more fucked than the cunts over there
― nakhchivan, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 14:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
it's turned into that, tbs, tbs.
we used to have irish here but i think i've run them all off.
― Black IP's (darraghmac), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
oh, and we are really fucked, but in the long term the noises from the eu about peer-review of national finances is a v good thing with the quality of politician we're stuck with atm.
― Black IP's (darraghmac), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
Low paid publicprivate sector non-homeowner smartasses may not be fully representative of the mood out there, I'm aware.
― Black IP's (darraghmac), Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:54 PM (1 hour ago)
not really the place to find a diversity of views
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
good luck, ireland
― Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
shd become a tax haven and get some of that newly-returning-UK-Tory-fans cash rolling in
― Coalition (Remix) (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
just for perspective i work in a coffee shop that is v. expensive bc you get a fancy handmade chocolate free w/ your chocolate and we are the most popular coffee shop in town and i kinda feel like ppl just like to complain really.
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:26 (3 years ago) Permalink
It's true- there's plenty of money out there in the middle/upper middle earner brackets, and particularly where mortgages have been mainly covered already. That's why taxes need to SOAR in the next budget.
― Black IP's (darraghmac), Thursday, 13 May 2010 09:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
Govt holding in AIB rises to 18% as repayments due under last year's recapitalisation fall due, but are paid in shares instead.
― Black IP's (darraghmac), Thursday, 13 May 2010 14:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
That's why why taxes need to SOAR in the next budget.
The first thing that would happen, were the government foolish enough to do that, is that those who currently still have some disposable income really would tighten their purse strings. Which would put plax out of a job, sharpish.If the seventies and eighties taught us anything, it's that you can't tax your way out of a recession. Or, put another way, that screwing the middle classes is counter-productive. That's my reasonably well paid, private sector, homeowning smartass opinion, anyhow.
― Vast Halo, Thursday, 13 May 2010 18:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
govt have more than demonstrated that they don't admit ownerhip of any of this recession, and it's quite clear that they're not intending to spend their way out of it.
given that their proposed public sector pay deal leaves pay untouched as a net spend, and the low corporation tax rate is sacred text fairly large income tax increases are the inevitability.
we're still a low tax economy, i can't see how else things are going go given stated intent on all other fronts. big further cuts in welfare/pensions, hikes in both tax rates, maybe a superhigh rate finally introduced.
― May be half naked, but knows a good headline when he sees it (darraghmac), Thursday, 13 May 2010 19:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
ps if the 70's and 80's thought us anything (and it's quite clear they didn't) it's that popularist FF govts leave a hell of a hangover
― May be half naked, but knows a good headline when he sees it (darraghmac), Thursday, 13 May 2010 19:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
pps: hi!
i promise that i have no problem w/ losing my job btw
― plax (ico), Thursday, 13 May 2010 22:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
^ this stands true for me too also. we are soldiers to the cause. if i lost my job i would sit outside the dail on a blanket throwing horseshoes at politicians.
― May be half naked, but knows a good headline when he sees it (darraghmac), Friday, 14 May 2010 08:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
me too also btw
― May be half naked, but knows a good headline when he sees it (darraghmac), Friday, 14 May 2010 08:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/67ae51e2-5e35-11df-8153-00144feab49a.html
Decent article from an outside perspective. Bit of the 'soundbite' about a lot of it, but they picked the right soundbites at least. Explains most of the mess and the causes in clear enough terms.
― May be half naked, but knows a good headline when he sees it (darraghmac), Monday, 24 May 2010 11:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
Morgan Kelly in the Irish Times today: Brace yourself-
"Even under the most optimistic assumptions about government spending cuts and bank losses, by 2012 Ireland will have a worse ratio of debt to national income than the one that is sinking Greece.
On the face of it, Ireland’s debt position does not appear catastrophic. At the start of the year, Ireland’s government debt was two- thirds of GDP: only half the Greek level. (The State also has financial assets equal to a quarter of GDP, but so do most governments, so we will focus on the total debt.)
Because of the economic collapse here, the Government is adding to this debt quite quickly. However, in contrast to its inept handling of the banking crisis, the Government has taken reasonable steps to bring the deficit under control. If all goes to plan we should be looking at a debt of 85 to 90 per cent of GDP by the end of 2012.
This is quite large for a small economy, but it is manageable. Just about. What will sink us, unfortunately but inevitably, are the huge costs of the bank bailout.
We can gain a sobering perspective on the impossible disproportion between the bailout and our economic resources by looking at the US. The government there set aside $700 billion (€557 billion) to buy troubled bank assets, and the final cost to the American taxpayer is about $150 billion. These sound like, and are, astronomical numbers.
But when you translate from the leviathan that is America to the minnow that is Ireland, it would be equivalent to the Irish Government spending €7 billion on Nama, and eventually losing €1.5 billion in the process. Pocket change by our standards.
Instead, our Government has already committed itself to spend €70 billion (€40 billion on the National Asset Management Agency – Nama – and €30 billion on recapitalising banks), or half of the national income. That is 10 times per head of population the amount the US spent to rescue itself from its worst banking crisis since the Great Depression."
― May be half naked, but knows a good headline when he sees it (darraghmac), Monday, 24 May 2010 11:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
I enjoyed the ft article, thanks.
Trying to get my head around what this means in the simplest possible terms - do these figures mean c. €20k a head of extra taxation to get the public finances back to something like normal?
― Ismael Klata, Monday, 24 May 2010 11:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
I think that's about the figure I've seen, but it being a current issue there's about 50 conflicting estimates.
― May be half naked, but knows a good headline when he sees it (darraghmac), Monday, 24 May 2010 11:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
At least it's being talked about. I think we think we'll get out of it with a couple of percent on VAT and civil servants taking shorter lunches.
― Ismael Klata, Monday, 24 May 2010 12:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
just had a quick read of the 6.25bn savings osborne announced this am, and i think the next budget's due pretty tough so it's not like it's being ignored. it's probably that you're not as exposed as we are to every single facet of the crash- property, financial services and global investment are pretty much all we have, and we acted like it was all we'd ever need.
― May be half naked, but knows a good headline when he sees it (darraghmac), Monday, 24 May 2010 12:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
And indeed, anyone who suggested otherwise was told to shut up and stop talking down the economy.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Monday, 24 May 2010 13:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
pull on the green shirt
― May be half naked, but knows a good headline when he sees it (darraghmac), Monday, 24 May 2010 13:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
I posted a bit from this above, but this, imo, is a great analysis of the biggest choice left to the govt- to continue to accept the banks's debt as sovereign Irish debt (essentially what the Guarantee of late 08 has done) or to rescind that guarantee. If you have the time, etc, etc:
Gloomy reading, but with real options considered
― May be half naked, but knows a good headline when he sees it (darraghmac), Monday, 24 May 2010 15:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
Govt commits further €2bn to AngloMonday, 31 May 2010 16:30 The Government has committed another €2bn in funding to Anglo Irish Bank.
The move comes as Anglo's restructuring plan is being submitted to the European Commission today.
A statement from the Department of Finance said the bank needed new funds because of the losses it had taken on the loans transferred to the National Asset Management Agency and because of further losses on its remaining loans.
Can someone explain to me how this works? We take risky property loans off them at a discount, and then pay them back the difference a month later?
― May be half naked, but knows a good headline when he sees it (darraghmac), Monday, 31 May 2010 16:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
does anyone have a sub for the irish times online?
― plax (ico), Monday, 31 May 2010 17:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
cos u can like webmail me?
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0610/breaking70.html
Labour polling 32%, FF down to 17% .......
Unbelievable.
― sonofstan, Thursday, 10 June 2010 22:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
If only I could believe it'd last- up til last week FF were gaining ground again.
I've not been following this week at all, surprised that they managed to get the no confidence motion put off til Tuesday. It'll be comfortably defeated, and Cowen will be lauded again for turning around a 'crisis'.
― May be half naked, but knows a good headline when he sees it (darraghmac), Thursday, 10 June 2010 23:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
I don't know - the smell of death off Cowen was seeping through the telly last night on Prime Time.
― sonofstan, Friday, 11 June 2010 16:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
Cowen has to go at some point - his backbenchers don't want to lose their seats at the next election, so they'll get rid of him.
― seandalai, Saturday, 12 June 2010 02:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
It's about time Labour started to consider just going it alone without either of these fucking packs of jokers, tbh.
― May be half naked, but knows a good headline when he sees it (darraghmac), Monday, 14 June 2010 10:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yes, because Labour will certainly be able to win a Dáil majority at the next election.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Monday, 14 June 2010 10:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
had a few exited convs. about this in the last couple days
― plax (ico), Monday, 14 June 2010 10:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
xp-
Will FF?
Will FG?
― May be half naked, but knows a good headline when he sees it (darraghmac), Monday, 14 June 2010 10:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
i dunno, no matter what ppl say, the go ahead and vote FF
― plax (ico), Monday, 14 June 2010 10:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
u kno urself
So pissed off at FG right now. Gilmore would want to be renegotiating the terms of any agreement, because Kenny is a poor alternative Taoiseach.
― May be half naked, but knows a good headline when he sees it (darraghmac), Monday, 14 June 2010 10:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
xp yeah, there's a big element of truth there, but FF core vote can't be more than 20%, and FG are doing absolutely nothing to convince the other 80% that they're any better.
― May be half naked, but knows a good headline when he sees it (darraghmac), Monday, 14 June 2010 10:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
Dont think i could deal w/ listening to enda kenny anyway
― plax (ico), Monday, 14 June 2010 10:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
Srsly. A sound man, an awful sound man, but ........
― May be half naked, but knows a good headline when he sees it (darraghmac), Monday, 14 June 2010 10:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
I wonder will he go back to the teaching.
Richard Bruton sacked s FG Deputy leader.
"Asked if he believed Richard Bruton would be the next Fine Gael leader, Green Party leader Gormley said: 'I would have my doubts. The timing of this is a bit strange, frankly.
'They seem to be jumping to the media agenda - which is always a dangerous thing to do. And I would expect Enda Kenny to continue as leader, because he has come out fighting, as I expected he would.'
Asked about the timing of the front bench meeting tomorrow, Mr Gormley added: 'I don't understand this from a political tactic point of view.
'It seems to be quite stupid frankly. But that's a matter for the Fine Gael party and I don't want to intrude into their... It's up to them to choose whoever their leader is.
'But as I've said, Mr Kenny has come out fighting and I would expect he would continue as leader.'"
John Gormley OTM
― May be half naked, but knows a good headline when he sees it (darraghmac), Monday, 14 June 2010 16:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
OK
Bruton has been paid a large amount of cash by FF backers to do this, right?
Nothing else makes any fucking sense.
― May be half naked, but knows a good headline when he sees it (darraghmac), Monday, 14 June 2010 16:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
No. My point was that if Labour want to be in Government they will have to go in with either FF or FG. If they don't want to be in Government then they don't need a coalition partner, though one would have to ask why they are bothering to contest elections.
If Labour actually does come first in seats and/or votes next time, it does change the dynamic a bit. Instead of Labour propping up some other party, the other party gets to prop up Labour. In that situation they might even get away with coalescing with the otherwise toxic FF.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Monday, 14 June 2010 17:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
Not sure I'd take Gormley's advice on political tactics tbh.
But still, I had no idea this was going to happen. At this point, I think the best outcome for FG is that Bruton takes over and manages to bring the party with him. What is most likely to happen is that the front bench supports Kenny out of loyalty, FG lose their most able spokesman and the papers go mad with the "what's the point of Fine Gael" trope they're so fond of.
― seandalai, Monday, 14 June 2010 23:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
If Labour actually does come first in seats and/or votes next time, it does change the dynamic a bit. Instead of Labour propping up some other party, the other party gets to prop up Labour.
Well, yes- that's the strategy they should be pursuing, is what I was getting at. Stated in my usual muddled manner, of course.
Bruton is great, their most able spokesman, all of that, but this is a move so pointless from him that it would really make me question his judgement on just about everything else.
Kenny has the party. He's not going to lose this vote, and it won't even be close- in fact, had a challenge come from someone less vital to the party's immediate future, it would have been a nice little reinforcer for Enda, a shit-or-get-off-the-pot moment. But coming from Bruton it will not only be more divisive, it'll of necessity come at the extra cost of their most dynamic front bench presence.
I still don't see how Bruton has weighed this up as being a move of any benefit to himself.
― May be half naked, but knows a good headline when he sees it (darraghmac), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 09:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
Pretty much agree there.
― seandalai, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 10:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
Irish Times has a rather pro-Bruton editorial: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2010/0615/1224272513279.html
― seandalai, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 10:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, that's the colours nailed to the mast there alright. Harry McGee's piece today is a good one from a more detached POV I think.
Leo Varadkar is an odious little shit, apropos of nothing.
― May be half naked, but knows a good headline when he sees it (darraghmac), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 10:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
― plax (ico), 31 May 2010 17:24 (2 weeks ago) Bookmark
I didn't see this, sry
I don't, but i've never been asked for one, tbh, if it's just articles you're looking for.
― May be half naked, but knows a good headline when he sees it (darraghmac), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 11:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
― plax (ico), 14 June 2010 10:27 (Yesterday) Bookmark
and yeah there's no way FF won't poll half again of 17% in an election.
― May be half naked, but knows a good headline when he sees it (darraghmac), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 11:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
that is probably true - they got way more than their polling level in last-year's locals, for instance.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 15 June 2010 12:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
Quite a meeting of the FG front bench this morning, by all accounts.
― May be half naked, but knows a good headline when he sees it (darraghmac), Tuesday, 15 June 2010 13:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
Jesus, busy day.
Croke Park deal goes through. Fuckem.
Bloody Sunday, Cameron and all that.
FG Fiasco continues. Varadkar still a little shit- if that's the future of FG, may the whole lot of em just drop off the face of the earth, tbh.
And in the background, Cowen stays.
― May be half naked, but knows a good headline when he sees it (darraghmac), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 00:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
The margins involved in all three of the vote/numbers issues have kinda ruined my day.
― May be half naked, but knows a good headline when he sees it (darraghmac), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 00:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
Aw Enda, Enda what the fuck? You clown.
― Remember when Mr Banhart was a replicant? (darraghmac), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 13:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
"Limerick TD Kieran O’Donnell, who Mr Kenny named as Mr Bruton’s replacement as finance spokesman, today declared support for the challenger. Mr O’Donnell said he told Mr Kenny of his intentions this morning. “I feel that Richard Bruton is the most viable option to lead the party.”"
― Remember when Mr Banhart was a replicant? (darraghmac), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 13:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
― seandalai, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 13:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
If you wrote that in an RTE sitcom it'd be rejected as dumb satire of the lowest order, I mean really though.
― Remember when Mr Banhart was a replicant? (darraghmac), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 13:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
Meanwhile the Cóir people are still warning FF that if they do not stop nourishing sodomy they will be in big trouble.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 16 June 2010 14:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
Well FG did a fair bit of fucking from behind the weekend past themselves.
― Remember when Mr Banhart was a replicant? (darraghmac), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 14:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
On another note, Anglo Irish are trying to sneak in under the radar with the news that the 22bn sunk into them so far will not be recovered. Letting the fuckers hang, is, of course, simply not an option. Not sure why.
― Remember when Mr Banhart was a replicant? (darraghmac), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 17:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, June 16, 2010 2:57 PM (3 hours ago)
where can i sign up w/ these guys srsly
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 18:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
nourishing sodomy- great band name imo
― Remember when Mr Banhart was a replicant? (darraghmac), Wednesday, 16 June 2010 23:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
Enda in
― Remember when Mr Banhart was a replicant? (darraghmac), Thursday, 17 June 2010 15:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
enda keepin his enemies closer
― plax (ico), Monday, 21 June 2010 10:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
Not much he can do, really. Most able spokesman on finance in the times that's in it.
Also, all the waffle about unity and no rift, can't see that Inda has much choice .
― Remember when Mr Banhart was a replicant? (darraghmac), Monday, 21 June 2010 10:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
Things are gonna get hairy later on this year, according to those criticising the unilateral bank guarantee- dozens of billions of those debts mature before october, with not much prospect of the bond markets taking on much of it.
ie- add it to the national/govt debt, another (maybe) 58 bn.
― Remember when Mr Banhart was a replicant? (darraghmac), Monday, 21 June 2010 10:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
jumpin this sinking ship
― plax (ico), Monday, 21 June 2010 10:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
my serious advice 2u- do so. once my gf has her master's finished next year, i can't see us staying (and i'm in the council ffs)
― Remember when Mr Banhart was a replicant? (darraghmac), Monday, 21 June 2010 10:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
oh i mean the only thing that would hold me back is turning into some diaspora type but i mean, i can get over that
― plax (ico), Monday, 21 June 2010 10:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
I'm not sure that the current generation of economic exiles will have that habit- it was all well and good giving it the aul ochone ochone for caitlin ni suilebhán when it was the dirty brits that meant we had to leave. given that this time it will have been our own political classes and, to an extent, the property-mad middle/upper middle class over 40 that led to the trouble, there's not really the impetus for a ringfenced eireannach mentality to form.
also, the fact that instead of sending money home to build a country from scratch, we'll be moving to avoid paying massive taxes to cover the gambling debts of privileged fucks- tbh i'd not be be expecting too many emigrants under 35 to celebrate the cod-irishness in the same way that eg builders in london in the 60's did.
― Remember when Mr Banhart was a replicant? (darraghmac), Monday, 21 June 2010 11:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
wondering how kerrygold can use this
― plax (ico), Monday, 21 June 2010 11:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
kerrygold irish bitter
― Remember when Mr Banhart was a replicant? (darraghmac), Monday, 21 June 2010 11:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
remember sally o'brien and the way she used to look at ya, the teasing bitch. like the banks, she never put out either
returning home to an electric blanket yr old ma had switched on for you, cut to subsequent punishment beatings administered to the poor dear by the viper when she can't pay the bill.
― Remember when Mr Banhart was a replicant? (darraghmac), Monday, 21 June 2010 11:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
"im sorry but you have already eaten all the kerrygold"
― plax (ico), Monday, 21 June 2010 11:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
"maybe you should have gone easy on it a little"
"also we cannot cover you for conditions related to cholesterol buildup under the new halthcare regime"
― Remember when Mr Banhart was a replicant? (darraghmac), Monday, 21 June 2010 11:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
AAARGH STFU STFU STFU
― Remember when Mr Banhart was a replicant? (darraghmac), Thursday, 24 June 2010 09:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
eh, i think that is part of this larger trend of only expressing facts in opposites, so the more articles you read like that the more u kno we are doomed.
― plax (ico), Thursday, 24 June 2010 11:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
Cowen is going ahead with 3bn cuts to the public sector, cuts that cannot be avoided.
We're throwing 22bn away into a bank guarantee that is only necessary in order to protect the investing classes.
Employment will take 10 years to return to height levels, if it ever does.
Growth will be export-led and is due to our increased competitiveness.
To translate-
You will get fewer and poorer public services. You don't have a job. If you have a job, you will get paid less and have less power in negotiations with your employers. Your employers will be making all the money. The wealthy will have been protected from the worst of it.
This is Fianna Fáil's idea of 'things are looking up'.
― Remember when Mr Banhart was a replicant? (darraghmac), Thursday, 24 June 2010 11:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
This re-affirmed, btw, at the black tie IBEC conference at the Mansion House, last night- equivalent, roughly, to calling the big bad wolf into the parlour over tea to explain to him how you're scaling back security plans at the three little pigs' residences.
― Remember when Mr Banhart was a replicant? (darraghmac), Thursday, 24 June 2010 11:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
The IMF also said Nama should dispose of property assets it has acquired in an orderly manner to reduce the overhang of property in State hands and said these sales could kick-start the stalled property market.
The organisation praised the Government for its measures to stabilise the banking sector and cut spending.
“Through assertive steps to deal with the most potent sources of vulnerability, Irish policymakers have gained significant credibility,” it said.
“These actions have reassured the global policy community and international financial markets. Over the past months, Irish sovereign bond spreads have tended to rise significantly on the days of intensely adverse international market sentiment but otherwise Ireland has been accorded the space to pursue its planned policy trajectory.”
Go fuck yourselves, IMF
― ,,,,,,eeeeleon (darraghmac), Thursday, 24 June 2010 15:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
this is all terribly sad
― nakhchivan, Thursday, 24 June 2010 16:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
it's effing disgraceful
― p-dog, Thursday, 24 June 2010 17:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
It's official- Ireland is 'technically' out of recession.
― ,,,,,,eeeeleon (darraghmac), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 13:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
Presumably this is why the most pressing matter left for our legislators is dog-breeding. A matter that has caused more consternation amongst govt back-benchers than any of the financial or political scandals of the past ten years.
― ,,,,,,eeeeleon (darraghmac), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 13:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
Say no to puppy farms!
― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 30 June 2010 15:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
I do, I do. Now can I please have my economy back?
― ,,,,,,eeeeleon (darraghmac), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 15:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
I think there should be a NAMA for puppy farms.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 30 June 2010 16:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
We've already been sold enough pups, don't you think?
― ,,,,,,eeeeleon (darraghmac), Wednesday, 30 June 2010 16:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
I honestly don't know where to put this. Actually printed in the Irish Times today, they must be on a wind-up
Madam, – There have been some doubts shed on Irish Times/Ipsos MRBI opinion polls recently as to their accuracy and freedom from bias.
This is of particular importance in relation to democratic poll-taking on the Catholic Church, which is by its nature an authority of God. This does not seem to affect The Irish Times, which appears to be an organ of revolution, destruction and the chaos which would come about by the disintegration of the Catholic Church’s authoritarian state. The enemies of the Catholic Church do not favour spilling blood because the devil knows that the food of the church is the blood of martyrs. But they will go a long way in an undermining role if they can.
The trouble with Irish Timespolls are that they are taken from “Catholics”. That means that those giving their democratic judgment do not accept the full story, and are in effect “Catholics” by birth register only, and are quite happy to see the Catholic Church sink into oblivion via all sorts of distortions and half-truths, along with their spiritual allies in the Masonic lodges. In fact, a number of “Catholics” are sworn Masons and live thereby in chronic mortal sin.
So when The Irish Timestakes the next opinion poll on the failures of the hierarchy (actual, perceived, and spurious), let it carry out a parallel opinion poll which will be the litmus test of these “democratic Catholics”. Ask each one if they are Catholics; (if not, it’s none of their business); then ask them do they accept the Catholic Church’s teaching on Humanae Vitae, the ban on the use of contraception. If they do not, then eliminate them from the result as apostates who hate the church anyway. Do not rely on those coming out of a church, as there are a number of “Catholics” who go to Mass, deceiving themselves.
This should narrow things down a bit and eliminate the worst aspects of diabolical democracy. – Yours, etc,
― ,,,,,,eeeeleon (darraghmac), Thursday, 1 July 2010 11:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
there are a number of “Catholics” who go to Mass, deceiving themselves.there are a number of “Catholics” who go to Mass, deceiving themselves.there are a number of “Catholics” who go to Mass, deceiving themselves.there are a number of “Catholics” who go to Mass, deceiving themselves.there are a number of “Catholics” who go to Mass, deceiving themselves.there are a number of “Catholics” who go to Mass, deceiving themselves.there are a number of “Catholics” who go to Mass, deceiving themselves.
― nakhchivan, Thursday, 1 July 2010 13:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
you can certainly read that a number of ways.
The enemies of the Catholic Church do not favour spilling blood because the devil knows that the food of the church is the blood of martyrs
^ got this far before i was really taken aback
― ,,,,,,eeeeleon (darraghmac), Thursday, 1 July 2010 13:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
didn't the irish times used to be seen as a church of ireland paper? see w/o being entirely clued-in to this stuff, i'd guess that's a 4 real religious lunatic
another possible shibboleth might be 'the disintegration of the Catholic Church’s authoritarian state' but most of it seems unironic and sentimentally consistent fundie catholic shit
― nakhchivan, Thursday, 1 July 2010 13:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
No, that is a for-real, you-don't-see-these-guys-printed-that-often, frothing at the mouth raving madman.
IT was always the Protestant, Middle/Upper Middle paper AFAIK, but really these days its just the only decent paper in the country
― ,,,,,,eeeeleon (darraghmac), Thursday, 1 July 2010 13:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
Spoken like a Mason
― It's a rest day, WE WANT TO SHOP (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 1 July 2010 13:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
Can I be both a Mason and a wannabe Tory? Or is that actually mandatory? Sometimes my grasp of these things isn't what I'd wish tbh
― ,,,,,,eeeeleon (darraghmac), Thursday, 1 July 2010 13:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
tory and wannabe mason is how it works iirc
― nakhchivan, Thursday, 1 July 2010 13:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
Which is the one with the funny handshakes, bent cops and cutting the tongues off snitches thing? I always mix them up.
― It's a rest day, WE WANT TO SHOP (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 1 July 2010 13:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
hrc&a church iirc
― nakhchivan, Thursday, 1 July 2010 13:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
T get back to this- is it maybe not a good thing that shit like that gets printed? i don't think i've ever read something like that in the IT before, it seems an undesirable kind of development when the editor of a reputable paper is basically trolling her own letter readers.
― ,,,,,,eeeeleon (darraghmac), Thursday, 1 July 2010 13:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
I'd considered a flann o'brien vein shit-stirrer, but really i'm not sure that's the tone i'm getting
― ,,,,,,eeeeleon (darraghmac), Thursday, 1 July 2010 13:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
I would expect the editor of even a local evening paper to give pause before printing that kind of thing, yes.
― It's a rest day, WE WANT TO SHOP (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 1 July 2010 13:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
It's pretty difficult to follow, for a start.
― It's a rest day, WE WANT TO SHOP (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 1 July 2010 13:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
there's an argument that giving this delusional shite coverage further undermines the catholic church, after all amidst the luridness, this -
The trouble with Irish Timespolls are that they are taken from “Catholics”. That means that those giving their democratic judgment do not accept the full story, and are in effect “Catholics” by birth register only, and are quite happy to see the Catholic Church sink into oblivion via all sorts of distortions and half-truths
is a common ratzinger trope, religosity is only confirmed by utter adherence to doctrine
― nakhchivan, Thursday, 1 July 2010 13:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
imo it's pretty lucid, considering the probability that the author was dictating it while chained to a wall and being whiped by the home-help
― ,,,,,,eeeeleon (darraghmac), Thursday, 1 July 2010 13:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
common ratzinger religious trope
yeah exactly, it's a common feature in qutbism etc too
― nakhchivan, Thursday, 1 July 2010 13:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
The main tenet of Qutbist ideology is that the Muslim community (or the Muslim community outside of a vanguard fighting to reestablish it) "has been extinct for a few centuries" [3] having reverted to Godless ignorance (Jahiliyya), and must be reconquered for Islam.
Qutb outlined his ideas in his book Ma'alim fi-l-Tariq (aka Milestones). Other important principles of Qutbism include:[citation needed]
* Adherence to Sharia as sacred law accessible to humans, without which Islam cannot exist * Adherence to Sharia as a complete way of life that will bring not only justice, but complete freedom from servitude, peace, personal serenity, scientific discovery and other benefits * Avoidance of Western and non-Islamic "evil and corruption," including socialism and nationalism * Vigilance against Western and Jewish conspiracies against Islam * A two-pronged attack of 1) preaching to convert and 2) jihad to forcibly eliminate the "structures" of Jahiliyya
― nakhchivan, Thursday, 1 July 2010 13:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
Jahiliyya's a pretty sweet deal imo
― ,,,,,,eeeeleon (darraghmac), Thursday, 1 July 2010 13:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
Anyway, the real thrust of what he's getting at, imo, is that those that aren't "real" catholics don't get to have a say on the issues being polled.
issues, as far as my guess goes, including
who d'you want educating your kids, then?should child abuse be really, properly considered illegal and a prosecutable offence if a bishop has decided otherwise?(not unrelated to either of the above) church interference and influence- what's all that about then?
― ,,,,,,eeeeleon (darraghmac), Thursday, 1 July 2010 14:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
i say i have issues about cranks getting letters published, but tbh it's not exactly stopped me continuously wumming rafa benitez defenders on football365 or anything so maybe there's a balance we should all look for in our daily lives etc.
― ,,,,,,eeeeleon (darraghmac), Thursday, 1 July 2010 14:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
tbf to yr crazy man, maybe he'd be more at ease w/ declared nonbelievers than so called 'catholics' who eat steak on friday or have qualms about the systemic cover-up of child rape etc etc
― nakhchivan, Thursday, 1 July 2010 20:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
no, what he's saying is that nobody that doesn't meet his standards of catholicism should have a say in church affairs, church affairs to legitimately cover such areas as education, healthcare, crime and just about everything else.
― ,,,,,,eeeeleon (darraghmac), Thursday, 1 July 2010 23:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
suppose i shd bow to yr superior wisdom here
― nakhchivan, Thursday, 1 July 2010 23:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
Catholic Church’s authoritarian state = everything?
― nakhchivan, Thursday, 1 July 2010 23:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
when The Irish Timestakes the next opinion poll on the failures of the hierarchy (actual, perceived, and spurious), let it carry out a parallel opinion poll which will be the litmus test of these “democratic Catholics”
just seems very clear to me, tbh.
these polls do cover the likes of the issues above, so he's making a pretty direct reference to the powers he doesn't expect the 'hierarchy' of the church to be questioned on by unqualified catholics.
i wouldn't expect his type to hold non-practicing catholics/atheists in any greater regard, tbph
― ,,,,,,eeeeleon (darraghmac), Thursday, 1 July 2010 23:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
xp
the Catholic Church, which is by its nature an authority of God.
i'm not sure he's coming across as the type to put limits on the authority of God in re: state matters
― ,,,,,,eeeeleon (darraghmac), Thursday, 1 July 2010 23:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
tbh i imagine he's delighted that anyone has devoted more than half a second to his anguished ravings
― nakhchivan, Thursday, 1 July 2010 23:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
and i'd imagine that a lot more will be proportionately dismayed that he got the platform
― ,,,,,,eeeeleon (darraghmac), Thursday, 1 July 2010 23:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
TAXPAYERS ARE facing the possibility of losing several hundred million euro through the State’s toxic property loans agency, the National Asset Management Agency (Nama).
The Government originally said the agency would deliver a €4.8 billion profit to the exchequer.
Only about 20 per cent of the loans are generating any income, that is repayments or interest payments, and the rest are currently producing no returns at all. Nama originally expected that 40 per cent would be income-producing.
No news of any borrowers being prosecuted as yet, as was promised 'within 30 days' under this scenario.
But it definitely wasn't a bailout, let's be clear on this.
― ,,,,,,eeeeleon (darraghmac), Monday, 5 July 2010 01:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
LAND values have fallen by up to 75 per cent and in some provincial towns they are down by up to 90 per cent compared to the peak in 2006, according to a review of the development land sector by Savills
.....
Taxpayers are facing the possibility of losing several hundred million euro through the State’s toxic property loans agency, the National Asset Management Agency (Nama).
......
Opposition parties have objected to a Government proposal that the Dáil should take a three-month holidays.
The Dáil is due to rise today, and it will not sit again until the September 29.
This year's Dáil holidays are a full 12 weeks, longer than in previous years.
Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/opposition-parties-object-to-three-month-dail-holiday-464678.html#ixzz0tfZKo1NQ
.......
Ireland's fiscal consolidation plan through to 2014 is "appropriately ambitious" but the adjustment needed may be larger than the authorities envisage, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) said today
― Everytime I hit 'submit post' the internet gets dumber (darraghmac), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 15:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
this country is about to get awesome
― Everytime I hit 'submit post' the internet gets dumber (darraghmac), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 15:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
Credit agency Moody's has downgraded Ireland's government bond ratings to Aa2, blaming banking liabilities, weak growth prospects and a substantial increase in the debt to GDP ratio.
However, Moody's lead analyst for Ireland Dietmar Hornung said it was a "gradual, significant deterioration, but not a sudden, dramatic shift", and the agency believed Ireland has "turned the corner".
The general government debt-to-GDP ratio was at 64 per cent at the end of last year, up from 25 per cent before the financial crisis took hold, and is continuing to rise.
“Today’s downgrade is primarily driven by the Irish government’s gradual but significant loss of financial strength, as reflected by its deteriorating debt affordability,” said Mr Hornung.
:)
We've turned the corner!
(I'm just c&p'ing stuff now as a record of the deterioration, at least until the govt can't pay the leccy bill anymore- when i suddenly stop posting you'll know what happened)
― Everytime I hit 'submit post' the internet gets dumber (darraghmac), Monday, 19 July 2010 11:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
I want you to look at these sombitches right here
― k¸ (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 August 2010 13:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
"lack of gratitude" eh?
Here's something we have reason not to be grateful for
― sonofstan, Thursday, 19 August 2010 15:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
The posited costs of Anglo-Irish Bailout keep rising
― k¸ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 1 September 2010 13:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
Fintan O'Toole, in the Irish Times again. I don't necessarily always agree with his solutions (in this case he reckons Anglo-Irish should be left to the ECB, for instance), but he rights with the right kind of anger, incredulity and searching in the right areas to make his articles on the banks/givt/property required reading since day 1 imo.
The intro to today's article is p good.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2010/0907/1224278367177.html
― k¸ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 14:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
he 'writes' with the right kind of anger
skip vicky pollard analogy, that's uncharacteristically cheap tbh
lol
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 14:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
cant watch at work but lol anyway
― k¸ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 14:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
bookmark it! it's amazing...
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 14:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
oh it's on my to-do when i get home.
― k¸ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 14:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
emmmmmmmm
― k¸ (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 September 2010 01:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
did you watch it?
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 9 September 2010 08:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
i couldn't sit through all of his presentation, not gonna lie to you (is he creepy or is it just me?) but i got about 5 mins in total of the intro.
the dancing, oh boy. lol.
― k¸ (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 September 2010 10:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
GET READY
― k¸ (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 September 2010 11:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
(europe are gonna demand tax regime harmonisation in return for allowing us to fuck ourselves for decades with the debts of private banks- this is about to get real)
he is massively creepy. the way he dances is funny, i'd never thought of how one would want to dance on someone's grave in order to fully disrespect them before. personally i think i'd favour a more sexual and outrageous dance to truly show my disdain for the ceremonial resting place.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 9 September 2010 12:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah, you either want rave or contempt to come out. not..... lust for children.
― k¸ (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 September 2010 13:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
i don't suppose anyone is inclined to reproduce this FT piece that scurrilously broke ranks with international congratulations on our handling of this mess?
― k¸ (darraghmac), Monday, 13 September 2010 11:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
MINISTER FOR Science Conor Lenihan will not now launch a book in Dublin which describes evolution as a fantasy and a hoax, after the author asked him to withdraw in the wake of controversy on the web.
The Minister was to launch The Origin of Specious Nonsense by John May at Buswells hotel tomorrow, with actors playing the parts of Charles Darwin and King Kong.
MINISTER FOR SCIENCE MINISTER FOR SCIENCE MINISTER FOR FUCKING SCIENCE AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH FUCK THIS COUNTRY
― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 08:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
Mind you he's still probably a better fit for his brief than most of the other cuntyfucks
― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 08:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
The 7 bullet points from the author on this page are hurting my head. Is it opposites day?
I love it when rightwing/anti-scientists take the exact same arguments that they hear from their own opponents and just repeat them without any thought for "does this make sense any more?". Just throw in 5 extra words about God at the end and we're done, right?
― vampire headphase (a passing spacecadet), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 09:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
About the Author:
He describes himself on the website www.theoriginofspeciousnonsense.com as “like Abraham Lincoln, self-educated, and might be viewed as a polymath, left school young and commenced my real education”.
― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 09:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
On another trip, ODL getting fair stick for conducting a dodge interview with Mornign Ireland while hungover this AM. FF think-ins in Galway haven't lost their magic, obviously.
― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 09:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
From the other end of your beautiful island, here is a cheery little piece in Ulster Scots* (or thereabouts) from a few months ago regarding the NI Culture Minister's keenness to put up some signs about geology only being a theory at the Giant's Causeway:http://1690andallthat.blogspot.com/2010/06/giants-causeway.html
* a noble and very real linguistic heritage or a loyalist bid to get in on the money handed out by the EU for themmuns to print leaflets in Irish? well obviously it's not my place to have any opinion
― vampire headphase (a passing spacecadet), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 09:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
I've always been of the opinion, not exactly researched, that it's a pure cod tbh. The first time I saw a guy (wearing a kilt and a flat cap iirc) speaking this on UTV one night I thought it was just another unfunny 'performance' comedian.
Money for Irish leaflets (and for EU translation in particular)- also a cod, so I'm not misunderstood or anything
― k¸ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 September 2010 09:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
don't get this cowen fuss, he sounds a bit slurred and half asleep but...who gives a fuck rly
― Chinedu "Edu" Obasi Ogbuke (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 19:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
hey, they got capone on tax evasion, iygwim
― k¸ (darraghmac), Thursday, 16 September 2010 03:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
While Ireland’s unemployment rate was the sixth highest in the European Union last year, its population remains the second richest of the 27 member states, according to a new report.
think we'll just start printing and handing out a load of €2000 euro notes to fuck, sure won't we be FLYING THEN?
― illiterate mods are killing ilx (darraghmac), Thursday, 16 September 2010 16:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
how about dis ting
At Milford District Court in Letterkenny on Monday Judge Séamus Hughes told Joseph McElwee (38) of Aughavennan, Rathmullan, Co Donegal, he was to do the four stations of the famous Mayo pilgrimage as a mark of respect for his fellow Irish people, especially those in the line of duty.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0917/1224279094345.html
can't they let him climb a mountain that doesn't have any religious nonsense associated with it
― Chinedu "Edu" Obasi Ogbuke (nakhchivan), Friday, 17 September 2010 15:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
judge seamus hughes.
worked for the family for a few days once
― illiterate mods are killing ilx (darraghmac), Friday, 17 September 2010 15:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
he's a westport man himself, he's doin his bit for local tourism imo
judges make crap domestic staff ime, all airs and graces and won't play dumb
― Chinedu "Edu" Obasi Ogbuke (nakhchivan), Friday, 17 September 2010 15:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
Garda Nicholas Freyne told the court that while they were on duty in Rathmullan, they saw a large crowd gathered outside a public house and three individuals approached them.
The court heard that the defendant called Garda Freyne a “Mayo w****r” and said “f*** off home to Mayo” continuing his abuse for 10 minutes according to the garda’s evidence.
not sure i disapprove of this kind of creative 'back at ya' sentencing tho tbh
― illiterate mods are killing ilx (darraghmac), Friday, 17 September 2010 15:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
oh right i see what you did there
the bould seamus was state solicitor for the north west region the past few years before his ascension, and he comes from a very nicely established family (portwest heirs, if anyone would recognise the name from outdoor wear). i don't think he ever had to do his own housework, let alone anyone else's.
― illiterate mods are killing ilx (darraghmac), Friday, 17 September 2010 15:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
what sort of negative associations wd someone in donegal have for mayo ppl? cuz that's the most ridiculous 'fuck off back to ____' shit i've ever seen
― Chinedu "Edu" Obasi Ogbuke (nakhchivan), Friday, 17 September 2010 15:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
i'd imagine it was no more than 'oh look, it is a member of the local constabulary, let us mock him about something'
― illiterate mods are killing ilx (darraghmac), Friday, 17 September 2010 15:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
because there are no negative associations between west shannoners, except that city galwegians are a bit arty and city limerickmen are genuinely all fucking remorseless killers
― illiterate mods are killing ilx (darraghmac), Friday, 17 September 2010 15:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
cool.
i never got any sense of stupid resentments between rural irish ppl. i was once on a train w/ kids from sittingbourne and (iirc) gillingham getting into some stupid argument like that and despaired for them. cunts.
― Chinedu "Edu" Obasi Ogbuke (nakhchivan), Friday, 17 September 2010 15:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
it all completely depends.
interfamily disputes are forgotten in neighbour disputes are forgotten in intervillage disputes but christ help us you wouldn't sit by if a fellow st vincents man was fightin with fellas from another parish and yr grandfather couldnt rest in his grave if he knew you'd let someone from the mainland run down the island and sure west mayo before the rest of them and when you get down to it isn't roscommon more dublin than it is connaught but begod you'd always take the side of a roscommon man ahead of anyone from leinster.
― illiterate mods are killing ilx (darraghmac), Friday, 17 September 2010 15:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
it's detailed, but not exactly complicated. my grandfather took knives fightin his way out of a pub in scotland back to back with a fella that he routinely knocked out at marts
― illiterate mods are killing ilx (darraghmac), Friday, 17 September 2010 15:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
disappointed i haven't gotten a rise from galway or limerick heads tbh
― illiterate mods are killing ilx (darraghmac), Friday, 17 September 2010 15:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
i don't think any of my ppl got into goings on like that back in the day
― Chinedu "Edu" Obasi Ogbuke (nakhchivan), Friday, 17 September 2010 15:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
i don't think it was granda mac's style either, the point being that if someone from askill deserved a beating (and it's widely acceptable, judging by this individual's progeny with whom i had the privilege of attending their pre-prison state education, that he probably did) he'd damn well get it at home from fellas that had been waiting this long time for the opportunity, and not overseas from strangers.
― illiterate mods are killing ilx (darraghmac), Friday, 17 September 2010 16:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
my ppl were bourgie drunks and wasters on one side and ira on the other (long time ago)
a lot of nuns too
― Chinedu "Edu" Obasi Ogbuke (nakhchivan), Friday, 17 September 2010 16:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
ah, the drunks and wasters on our side were/are all poor fuckers.
i'll ask the aul fella where we stood with the IRA, i'd imagine there was that in it too alright.
― illiterate mods are killing ilx (darraghmac), Friday, 17 September 2010 16:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah the poor fuckers were the kids of said drunks
a lot of grimness
― Chinedu "Edu" Obasi Ogbuke (nakhchivan), Friday, 17 September 2010 16:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
oh well sure we all have that.
we didn't stay out west because of the weather or anything
― illiterate mods are killing ilx (darraghmac), Friday, 17 September 2010 16:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
Just in the interests of balance, the shower waiting to take over aren't really any different
― illiterate mods are killing ilx (darraghmac), Monday, 20 September 2010 11:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
That's a little light on detail tbh. Career of a young bangarda threatened in front of the leader of the opposition, yadda yadda.
leaked in response to cowen's embarrassing episode last week of course.
breathalysers at the door of the parliament buildings, maybe?
― illiterate mods are killing ilx (darraghmac), Monday, 20 September 2010 11:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
Economy contracts by 1.2% in Q2
Taoiseach Brian Cowen conceded today the latest figures were “disappointing”, particularly after the better than expected results in the previous quarter.
Speaking at the National Ploughing Championships in Co Kildare, Mr Cowen said the focus must be on export-driven growth.
― i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Thursday, 23 September 2010 15:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac)
they made their first move this week imo.
Cowen reckons Anglo might be 35bn, might be more, sure y'know it's all only figures really lads.
― i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Tuesday, 28 September 2010 14:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
we've achieved 'closure' on anglo irish. by announcing that the fucking thing will cost 29bn.
cunts
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0930/breaking4.html">=http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0930/breaking4.html
― i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Thursday, 30 September 2010 10:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
29 BILLION 29 BILLION 29 BILLION
i have got to get out of this fucking country, this is insanity
― i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Thursday, 30 September 2010 20:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
kind of love miriam o'callaghan. asking our minister for finance straight, simple, aggressive questions about bank guarantees and why the irish state/taxpayer is paying 50bn to cover the private bonds issued to private bondholders by private banks.
i know it's more complicated, but at the same time fuckem, we need to see this guy justify his fairytales, nobody ever pushes him on this.
― i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Thursday, 30 September 2010 21:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
Even when he's arguing for me losing my job, essentially, there's very few I'd have as much faith in as Garret Fitzgerald. Very good piece if anyone' still interested, barely am myself tbh.
THE WHOLE affair of the banks has been a huge distraction from the more fundamental issue of the restoration of our economy to health. A once-off bank bailout of €45-50 billion is, by definition, a lesser problem than a €22 billion annual budget deficit. But this reality has effectively been missed by most people. Now we are finally facing up to this.
Before looking at the deficit problem it is necessary to address the issue of whether more could be done by the Government to revive the economy by “creating” employment, as the unions demand. Some major countries have attempted to do this – although what success they have had is not yet clear.
In our case there are two difficulties about such an approach. First, we are one of the most open economies in the world. We import three-quarters of what we need – such imports represent less than one-third of output in the UK, France and Italy – and a mere one-sixth in the case of the US. In our case the leakage from any stimulus measure would be several times greater than in those other countries. Their economies rather than ours would be the main beneficiaries of an Irish stimulus measure, no matter how finely it was targeted. And we can’t afford to help save the world just now!
Second, our financial shortfall is much more severe than that of the countries that have tried to stimulate growth. This year our revenue is falling short of our expenditure by no less than 38 per cent. So, we have far less leeway for stimulatory measures.
Taken together, these harsh facts suggest we may be one of the worst cases for such action – perhaps the very worst – in the entire developed world.
― i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Saturday, 9 October 2010 16:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
focus rightly across the pond today, but Vincent Browne of all people gives some food for thought today
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2010/1020/1224281544198.html
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Wednesday, 20 October 2010 11:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
yah i read about this last night. shocked 2 b shocked ugh
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 20 October 2010 13:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
the 11 bn, sortof out of the loop etc
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 20 October 2010 13:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
Could have an election now and over with and a new govt in place before we have to go back to the markets to raise money (3-4 months iirc). Political mandate and stability somewhat assured, at least, which should, theoretically, help us when the time comes to go begging again.
That FG & Lab aren't doing more to push an election means they either don't have the appetite to do the hard work, or don't trust the electorate not to blame them for the damage they'll have to do to clean up.
Don't blame them on the second point, to be honest.
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Wednesday, 20 October 2010 13:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
This might cheer up some exiles:
Many Harney attacked with paint while opening a Health Centre in Cherry Orchard.
― sonofstan, Monday, 1 November 2010 12:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2010/1102/1224282482641.html
so Irish friends, what do you all think about this? I've been reading Fintan's stuff a lot lately and like, while I can defo see how Nama was the subject of serious reservations at the time, isn't some of the vindictiveness about what the gov did during the Celtic Tiger years a bit due to hindsight? like i'm not defending the politicians (and yeah, they should take a paycut), just I lived in Ireland during those years and I don't remember any national debate about how we were setting ourselves up for disaster or whatever. There were a lot of vague rumblings but it was never something discussed at length to my mind.
anyone remember what o'toole was saying back then? cos i don't recall him talking economics much at all at that time. i know mcwilliams predicted a lot of what has happened but nobody actually predicted it with any urgency, did they? like surely if you really knew this was on the cards, if you really knew "we are going to be FUCKED" and you had any influence whatsoever you would make it clear that was what you thought?
feel free to school me here btw...I'm out of Ireland so I don't have anything like the full background here, I'm just trying to gauge how the totally blasé attitude of the boom years tallies with the anger at what was done during those years...
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 16:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
fair points.
There's a ucd professor, flipped if i can remember his name, maybe morgan? He's been doom mongerin for a while, and catigated pretty hravily for it.
I'm not really a 'blame the media' type tbh, but frankly anyone who didnt think it would last decade and then finish softly ith us all cherry millionaires was always portrayed as a crank. There wss never a far-seeing debate, any negative reporting/issues were almost exclusively short term in nature. The issues of long-term economic policy never arose.
You also have to remember just how dismissively anyone talking the economy down was treated by bertie/ff, and the press happily followed suit.
There's always joe higgins!
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 16:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
txtin from my phone btw
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 16:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
and the people wanted bertie etc to be right, for everyone to be loaded forever. i guess what i'm getting at is, did our govt do things other govts wouldn't have? like were they outstandingly incompetent?
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 16:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
also i mean hasn't o'toole like released two books on this now? not saying he's trying to earn money but like, only a nominal amount of praise deserved for lambasting the govt when the entire country is lambasting them.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 16:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
yes, though tbh incompetent does them both too much and too little credit. I would say they were very aware of how long they could milk it, and how to futureproof themselves from blame/consequences.
Prof morgan kelly btw- certainly called bank guarantee and nama pretty well.
Michael mcdowell's brother ?moore? Has always been a serious and authoritative voice on long term matters when i hear him, tho it's fair to say i dont always agree with him.
Another thought- bertie ws astonishingly good at getting 'buyin' from all areas- eradicating the usual conflicts btwn unions/employers for instance, bought short term peace economically, but left us with weak & lazy unions who were basically establishment themselves. When everyone was getting payrises, sure who was going to kick up a fuss for regulation, competitiveness, etc?
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 17:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
yes otoole is a bandwagon jumper, not a prophet, but he writes with good clarity and the right amount of anger imo. Better late than never.
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 17:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
i guess what i'm getting at is, did our govt do things other govts wouldn't have? like were they outstandingly incompetent?
A lot of people said in the years since the dotcom bust that the public finances had become worryingly dependent on transaction taxes related to property and on taxes relating to the construction sector generally. These people said that if there was any fall off in construction or a correction in the property market then the public finances would be in serious trouble. The Government seesm to have ignored these people. Is this what you would consider incompetent?
― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 3 November 2010 17:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
'these people' would have been known as 'experts who are not direct beneficiaries' in other countries, imo.
one thins that we haven't fixed or even begun to address is the ease with which the issues, and i mean the really big issues, become clogged or clouded in public debate. tribunals, the dáil, police investigations, there's never any clear outcomes, nobody in ever in a position to give a straight answer, it's always oddering aul mary tanaiste left holding the boring even herself with 'he's not in today, sorry' or 'i don't have that information to hand'.
i don't even work in the model of diligence and efficiency that is the irish private sector, but my first performance at a meeting that mirrored the typical govt minister's showing to the dáil would see me up to my neck in shite. but there's never any issue around this.
i feel that bertie made this a prevalent mode of avoidance, but that may only be because i didn't directly experience haughey nor his forebears in action. too subtle a tactic for charlie, perhaps.
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 19:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
fintan o'toole very good on last word, although good ideas on how things should be run if we could start from scratch is maybe the equivalent of marking helen keller in the hurling final.
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 November 2010 19:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
free
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Sunday, 7 November 2010 02:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
fucking
cheese
quick meechawl, point me twards rosslare and i'll be off sure
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Sunday, 7 November 2010 02:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
wtf is this
― Adrian Roosevelt "Adie" Mike (nakhchivan), Sunday, 7 November 2010 02:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/irish-to-get-free-christmas-cheese-2126721.html
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Sunday, 7 November 2010 02:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
that's ~12g per capita afaict
what will u do with that?
― Adrian Roosevelt "Adie" Mike (nakhchivan), Sunday, 7 November 2010 02:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
treat it with cáis-ion i reckon
6bn fiscal adjustment next year, and they claim they wont be hitting public sector wages. they will, of course, but not til they get the budget through safely. re-negotiation of croke park agreement before march i think. not a bad thing, from a non-personal perspective. but without tax increases across the board, prob will cause havoc with unions/IR disruption.
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Sunday, 7 November 2010 02:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
Budget won't get through. I'd nearly put my house - negative equity and all - on it.
― sonofstan, Sunday, 7 November 2010 11:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
double or quits kinda thing?
ff are too well versed in the arcane art of the political promissory note to not get this one through.
if lenihan were a well man, i'd anticipate a speculative failure followed by a heave, but they'll put all their eggs in cowen's basket until forced to stop. martin vs lenihan in new year, maybe after public strikes hit.
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Sunday, 7 November 2010 14:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
Maybe..
Given that the only thing that maintains order in FF is the ability of the party badge to get the wo/man whose natural station is Town Councillor elected to the Dail, the fact that it is now a liability means the likelihood of said chancer discovering a conscience - read 'pretext' - and voting against cuts in Welfare/ pensions/ upping college fees in order to give themselves a head start in the battle for the one possible FF seat in a constituency where they could normally depend on two, seems to me to be approaching 100%.
― sonofstan, Sunday, 7 November 2010 14:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
oh yeah, self-interest will kick in at some stage, but really the individuals in FF are so unlikely to get in at any level in coming elections means that, for now, better to hold on to diminishing power together and try to bluff with 'hard choices for the country' line- maybe there's truth in that line, but given the track record of most of these ppl it's coincidental rather than conscience.
could be biased here given my local ff tds- calleary (idiot, party man) flynn (corrupt, party woman (even when not in the party))
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Sunday, 7 November 2010 14:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
flynn as a local td...jesus. i'm not even sure who the ones where i grew up are now since gv wright drove his car into a person
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Sunday, 7 November 2010 21:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
he drove his own car? small time motherfucker imo
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Sunday, 7 November 2010 21:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
Speaking at the launch of the “Reinventing Government” document in the Morrison Hotel, Dublin, Mr Kenny and enterprise spokesman Richard Bruton said fundamental change was needed to ensure State services are protected and the economy is put back on track.
“The public sector has a key role to play in rebuilding Ireland. We believe that the vast majority of public servants do an absolutely vital job and recognise that many public servants feel they are being unfairly targeted as a result of a crisis they did not create," Mr Kenny said.
Among the actions that Fine Gael is pledging is the abolition of more than 145 State bodies and companies including the dismantling of the HSE and Fás and their replacement with more cost effective alternatives; the saving of €5 billion through tackling waste, duplication and inefficiency
gobshite man speak with forked tongue imo
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Sunday, 7 November 2010 21:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
Just in case any of you were still clinging to a few tattered shreds of hope:
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2010/1108/1224282865400.html?via=mr
Kelly was right about the property crash when all around were predicting 'soft landings' - I fear that this unwaveringly grim prognosis may be similarly accurate.
― sonofstan, Monday, 8 November 2010 07:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
God that article is enough to make you want to cry. Is there a mass exodus yet?
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Monday, 8 November 2010 09:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
People are leaving certainly, and recent immigrants are returning home in some numbers, but the safety valve really isn't there to the extent it was in the '80s. Where can you go?
― sonofstan, Monday, 8 November 2010 10:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
A lot of people have moved over here (London), but I think it's stopped a bit as far as my experience is worth anything. There seemed to be a big spike of people moving a year or so ago, but now maybe whoever is still in Dublin that I know is staying.
There are jobs in somewhere like London, for definite, but I'd hate to be just out of college or something, unthinkable.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Monday, 8 November 2010 10:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
^^^^
And worse if you're just off a building site, and that's all you've done since you were 16.
― sonofstan, Monday, 8 November 2010 11:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
The cheese thing is just killing me. Somebody told me this weekend that it was literally every Irish citizen that would receive their free piece but that appears to be somewhat exxagerated.
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Monday, 8 November 2010 11:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
the cheese thing - they distribute free cheese every year to the po', but only this year did they decide to shite on about it in what proved to be a counterproductive manner.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Monday, 8 November 2010 11:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
It's so quintessentially Irish. The country is fucked but never let it be said you can't have a nice melty cheese sandwich...
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Monday, 8 November 2010 11:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
canada, australia, btw.
My dad feels things are begnning to look up in the states too.
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Monday, 8 November 2010 12:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah loads of people i know are in australia. less in canada but heard a bit of that on the rise of late...
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Monday, 8 November 2010 14:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah. Know people that are gone both ways, depending on how things go here at my next contract renewal it could be a ting.
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Monday, 8 November 2010 14:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
The ravers of the early 1990s are the parents, managers, editors, largely responsible adults who will spend the next decade or two at the coalface of a recession.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/features/2010/1108/1224282859372_pf.html
― Adrian Roosevelt "Adie" Mike (nakhchivan), Monday, 8 November 2010 14:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
two decades!
― Adrian Roosevelt "Adie" Mike (nakhchivan), Monday, 8 November 2010 14:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
we're so fucked i'm kinda high thinking about it
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Monday, 8 November 2010 19:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
tbh i only think this is all funny now― plax (ico), Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:54 PM (7 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalinktbh it's funny now.tbh it's not going to be when the crash comes, and we get to look back on this last decade like americans in the 1930-40's looked on wall street in the 1920's― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:55 PM (7 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalinkthe crash comes?― nakhchivan, Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:56 PM (7 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalinkwhen the crash comes.― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:56 PM (7 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalinkdo people in ireland expect it to get drastically worse than it already is?― nakhchivan, Wednesday, March 24, 2010 1:02 PM (7 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalinktbh relatively ireland aint that bad, yet, its not the 80s or even the early 90s but i mean― plax (ico), Wednesday, March 24, 2010 1:04 PM (7 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalinki think it'll get iceland in september or so.― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Wednesday, March 24, 2010 1:05 PM (7 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalinkjesus― nakhchivan, Wednesday, March 24, 2010 1:06 PM (7 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalinkthere's still a huge amount of property overvaluation propping up the banks. foreclosures haven't started with gusto yet, but they will before long. the govt were criticised about predicting a 'soft landing' for the housing market instead of a crash in early 2008. that criticism was wrong- we're in the middle of our soft landing.― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Wednesday, March 24, 2010 1:07 PM (7 months ago) Bookmark
― plax (ico), Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:54 PM (7 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:55 PM (7 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― nakhchivan, Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:56 PM (7 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:56 PM (7 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― nakhchivan, Wednesday, March 24, 2010 1:02 PM (7 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― plax (ico), Wednesday, March 24, 2010 1:04 PM (7 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Wednesday, March 24, 2010 1:05 PM (7 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― nakhchivan, Wednesday, March 24, 2010 1:06 PM (7 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― DarraghmacKwacz (darraghmac), Wednesday, March 24, 2010 1:07 PM (7 months ago) Bookmark
tbf, i was wrong- it is funny
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Monday, 8 November 2010 19:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
may those german bankers be clement with you all
― Adrian Roosevelt "Adie" Mike (nakhchivan), Monday, 8 November 2010 19:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
don't even know what to think about it...thought i wasn't patriotic but our country in the absolute shitter makes me feel sad.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 00:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
true irish patriotism isnt sadness, it's pugnacious denial and eventual violence
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 00:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
well let me rephrase to "thought i didn't give a toss about our country either way"
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 00:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
deal with landlords all day every day, had an absolute peach on today- moan moan moan rent gone through the floor, moan moan moan tenant gettin the house for nothin, moan moan moan put my heart and soul into that house, do everythin for her, moan moan what? no i dont know the address, i'm not sure of the rent and sure how do i know if it meets the standards i've not been there in 7 years, i have an agent for that sort of thing....
it's a pleasure, sometimes, to come up against property speculators in a negotiation setting. though there are those you feel for.
nobody ever mentions that, even though the value of property has nosedived (but not crashed, yet), there are hundreds of thousands of families that have made huge money on property speculation, still getting good rent, second and third houses long since paid off, good equity in their own and other houses. but regardless of nominal value, these properties cant be sold now, and when they start to go it will be like the top of a rollercoaster headin down, it's gonna be carnage when the equity still supposedly in these properties goes go zero or minus figures. that's when the country will just clear out and we'll see the public anger really explode.
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 00:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
otoh it might all be ok, who knows eh
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 01:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
might wait for everything to collapse, go to some bankruptcy auction and buy a big delapidated house in the west of ireland and just chill / post to ilx / drink / be sad
― Adrian Roosevelt "Adie" Mike (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 01:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
read that kelly piece too....pretty dreadful prognosis but hope he's wrong
― Adrian Roosevelt "Adie" Mike (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 01:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
his prediction of a hard right anti-traveller party seems a bit baseless tbh...like the new world order has taken over and they'll be sending their soldiers back in time to kill john flynn-connor
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 01:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah it does seem a bit of a peripheral thing to inspire some volkisch far right movement.....anti EU sentiment could get nasty but then barroso & chums don't live in firebomb friendly caravans parks in cavan
― Adrian Roosevelt "Adie" Mike (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 01:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
re: buyin big ol' house- yeah, if the permanent contract comes my way next year (fat chance) i'll be thinking about buying somewhere that's not a shithole, just to have a decent place. assuming a public sector permanent job is worth a gamble from the banks at that stage though.
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 01:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
the traveller thing jumped out, alright, but tbh when people really start to hurt, it's them or blackafricans (it's all one word, for some reason?) that'll be first in line, then irish unemployed, then who fuckin knows really.
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 01:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
eastern europeans in between , obv
wonder if there'll be a boom in poland/latvia/wherever with returning emigrants presumably looking to settle?
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 01:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
if we all chipped in, this has mad potential as an ilx retreat imo
http://www.daft.ie/searchsale.daft?id=492300
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 01:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
Achill Island is accessable only by road and offers all necessary amenities such as pubs, restaurants and shopping facilities
prioritised by a local imo
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 01:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
are there loads of germans on achill? fuckin heinrich boll innit...used to meet germans all over the west tho
that seems crazily overpriced....you could get a 2500 sq ft place for £800k in plenty of nice london suburbs
― Adrian Roosevelt "Adie" Mike (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 01:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
germans love the rugged west, gets them very soulful. heinrich boll like a fox imo.
it is crazily overpriced, but you can knock prob 20-5% off the asking price from the site straight away. other than that, location is ace so yeah it's gonna cost.
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 01:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
wishing for an 'I Love Ireland' board now so'd i could start a thread bout achill. prob not a goer on ile.
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 01:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
dead eyed psycho reincarnated prussian colonel germans vs soulful germans
need to take the ECB bros deciding yr fate over to the west, give them a few bottles of whiskey and hope they turn from the former to the latter
― Adrian Roosevelt "Adie" Mike (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 01:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
not the worst idea, that. down to the heinrich boll cottage in dugort, organise some strawboys dancing in front of a trf fire with an aul paul henry or two hangin up around the place. camille souter doin the hosting honours. lovely.
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 01:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
three distant memories of achill
sunny day, driving around, walking along the beach.....pretty greatstormy day, visibility about 20 yards, not so good but very sturm-und-drang.....i'd probably enjoy it more nowanother time where someone had done (or elegantly redeposited) a shit in a pub urinal....possibly a german conceptual artist? [via kurt kren]
― Adrian Roosevelt "Adie" Mike (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 02:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
nah that was danny mac i'd say. avoid him.
achill in moody weather is best, but i think you'd need to see it on a good day first to compare/contrast, yeah. not much good if you're there for the beach, tbf.
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 02:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
but yeah this
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 02:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
gotta get a decent camera ffs
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 02:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
just walked along the strand then drove around the hillier parts that day iirc....a+ tho, and the drive along the mainland near there is triffic too
tbf i kinda like the sea on gloomy winter's days now....usually try to get to the coast at least once in the winter, wander round a bit in a t-shirt looking mental/soulful....back to london in time for tea
― Adrian Roosevelt "Adie" Mike (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 02:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
#bobdylanmornings
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 02:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
will post these all night, the mood i'm in tbh
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 02:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
fantastisch
― Adrian Roosevelt "Adie" Mike (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 02:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
germans gonna sell my island ;_;
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 02:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
to get back to matters at hand;
Is the next great divide in irish society going to be homeowners vs non-homeowners? It's fairly likely that at least one party will offer a mortgage amnesty/bailout/whatever that will be funded, one way or the other, out of the central pot.
Another write-off of gambling debt imkneejerko. But i'm sure there'll be other viewpoints....
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 11:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
almost went to Achill last month while the girlfriend was over. climbed Croagh Patrick instead, also got a dose of weird flat grey winter beaches in Connemara.
There's a growing German presence in Kiltimagh, bearded self-sufficiency, poss 'modern relationships'.
anger at the travellers seems like the kind of thing that could be good kindling for right-wing party – always hear rumblings about what they've been up to locally when I'm over – but dunno, doesn't seem long-term fuel.
― portrait of velleity (woof), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 12:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
they keep stealin ppl's short term fuel, or so i heard from a fella
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 12:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
In the case of Ireland in particular, we need to recall that sovereign debt has not been at the origin of the crisis. Rather, private debt has become public debt.
O. Rehn, 09/11, never forget.
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Wednesday, 10 November 2010 00:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
I think maybe Kelly is moving outside of his area of expertise here - it's one thing for an economist to make economic predictions, but what does he know about politics? To suggest that a crazy anti-Traveller, anti-EU, anti-everything headbanger party will just spring into being and take over the country is a bit of a leap of logic.
That's not to say that there is not a rich vein of anti-Traveller sentiment here for any nasty politician to mine, but the Irish political system is rather resistant to new parties sweeping away the old.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 10 November 2010 13:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah exactly. and like, there's always been anti-traveller sentiment, that last part just sounds like a total wackjob "oh and then this will happen, i reckon..." doomtimes prediction. there's never even been minor successes for a far right party in ireland.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 10 November 2010 13:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
If travellers were a reliable vote-winning topic, surely it would have been tried before? I can see it working in specific constituencies though.
I'd agree the country is ripe for some sort of populism, but I don't know what type. The mortgage amnesty might appeal but there's no way it's affordable. The anomaly of Ireland is that there is (on average) a large amount of private wealth, but the public finances are screwed. But transferring money from the voters to the government is unlikely to be the winning issue one might expect.
― seandalai, Wednesday, 10 November 2010 17:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
OP so poignant
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 10 November 2010 17:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/nov/14/ireland-economic-crisis-bailout?showallcomments=true#comment-fold
thought this was a bit hopeful/wistful. i don't believe in any sense of unity in ireland that could give rise to a new or better political system, and i don't think that's just cynicism either, even amongst the youth there are chasmic gaps in values and beliefs.
also as much as yes, it would be disastrous if everyone just fucks off and leaves the cronies in charge, why would anyone stay with nothing to do or no jobs?
have to say it's v easy for a columnist like o'toole to make hay over all this, he writes well and with passion but there's not a figure in sight in that article, and it's the economy that's fucked, the moral budget or the balance sheets of the soul or whatever are just consequences of that.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Sunday, 14 November 2010 13:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
Well it's a respite from the Guardian's usual coverage recently, e.g. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/14/ireland-economic-crisis, from which you'd think half the population are starving on the streets.
― seandalai, Sunday, 14 November 2010 15:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
it's v easy for a columnist like o'toole to make hay over all this, he writes well and with passion but there's not a figure in sight in that article
agree with you, though i enjoy his articles on this whole mess regardless.
it would be disastrous if everyone just fucks off and leaves the cronies in charge, why would anyone stay with nothing to do or no jobs?
not to mention that the govt of the day would rather you just fucked off rather than draining the social welfare budget. course, the housing collapse that's bound to occur when not only economic migrants but natives clear out over a relatively short period can only make things worse. the ensuing pensions and other balance of payments deficit will pretty much ensure that there won't even be a medium-term prospect for recovery. you need young people working for relatively low wages, paying relatively high taxes, entering into car and house loans, for things as they are to work. and the nearlydeads are less willing to give up any entitlements than any other group, i think.
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Sunday, 14 November 2010 15:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
xp nobody starving, tbf. aside from that.... give it a year or two i'd say, and it's not like it's a secret that things like health, education, social welfare, jobs etc are in freefall with each passing month/budget.
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Sunday, 14 November 2010 15:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
We cannot keep constantly explaining to our voters and our citizens why the taxpayer should bear the costs of certain risks and not those people who have earned a lot of money from taking those risks.”
did merkel really say this? hasn't been explained once to me tbh
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Sunday, 14 November 2010 15:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
is there any way of reneging on nama at this point? surely they can see what an unmitigated disaster bailing out the banks has been?
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Sunday, 14 November 2010 18:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
so do we fold? is it too early to take the bailout? do we have a choice? would you say it's now time to crack each others heads open and feast on the goo inside?
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 15:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
i'm not sure what the downside to this bailout is that wont happen next year, and worse, anyway
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 15:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
nama is harder to call- the housing stock of the country, well i can see possibilities in having that in quasi-govt hands
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 15:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah it's obv hard to unpick a lot of this if you're not an economist but it strikes me that we might as well just get the rotten leg cut off now rather than possibly just die in future. why is the gov being so cagey on this, surely there's no other way out...
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 15:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
and while the govt is still doing all it can to prop up property prices, nama cant work.
When repossessions start in earnest, the market bottoms out, etc, then there'll be activity and we'll see nama maybe freed up to dispose, deal, whatever
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 15:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
time for rotten leg amputation was two years ago. Govt, not just ff but the entire gang of em, in total denial at the time.
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 15:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
tbh, from eu perspective we are prob the rotten limb
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 15:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
amusing footnote: my friend's brother moved back to ireland after not being able to find a job in london, TO WORK FOR NAMA
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 15:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
have mates there or at ntma meself. Leeches to a man
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 15:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
hoping against hope that the euroheads simply come out today and force ff to remove the bank guarantee and all moneys paid under such so far be returned somehow.
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 16:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
when they take inda's gloved off and push him into a fight, he's good. It's not enough, by a long way, but his john wayne callout of cowen today should have been a standing order since 2008
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 16:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
dont get all enda support reactionary or i actually will just go illegal here
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 16:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
eh, no. I've always liked him personally on local level. Wasted as a td, and hopeless enough at statesman level, but v bright, warm and energetic to deal with. But no.
At the same time, i'll cheer anyone that calls ff out, publicly, loudly and pointedly. When miriam tore into lenihan over the bank guarantee it was about the first time i'd see him even questioned toughly on it- a multibillion euro call and nothing but murmurs about it for two years.
More confrontation, blame, diryiness required. It doesnt get shit done, but with the irish electorate i'm not sure they just dont need constant reminding.
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 16:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
watching the dáil live now, enda is a joke. he's reading off two bits of paper to say things like "this bailout has been a disaster", like ffs can he not write and remember a speech. then he gives fg a plug after that, nobody gives a fuck about who to vote for at this point...
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 17:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
cowen's massive statement- godawful boring lie. big letdown, wanted fireworks
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 17:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
Madam, – Knowing how things work in Ireland, it is unlikely we will ever get an honest answer as to why Brian Cowen and Brian Lenihan thought it right, ethically, morally or politically, to give a blanket guarantee to the entire Irish banking system in the middle of the night, or why Cabinet members literally couldn’t be bothered to get out of bed to ensure the decision being taken was the correct one. The consequences of that decision, which we have to assume was made to protect those with whom Fianna Fáil is financially compromised, are now becoming clearer. Yet, Mr Cowen and Mr Lenihan still refuse to face the reality of what they’ve done, and have done nothing to make banks provide verifiably accurate data or to give the Opposition full access to the State accounts. They are allowed peddle the myth that Ireland is “funded” until the middle of next year, conveniently not mentioning that funding is just more debt that has to be paid back.
So, instead of structurally reforming how the country is financed and how it spends its money, Mr Cowen and Mr Lenihan seem to think the solution is to rack up as much debt as possible and, by the stage that time- bomb explodes, they’ll have walked away with their golden pensions (so what do they care?).
It is truly astounding that the bank guarantee, at the stroke of a pen, transferred more debt to the Irish people than Cromwell transferred from them. How much more is the bunker mentality of Mr Cowen and Mr Lenihan going to cost us? How many more lost jobs, homes, suicides and broken families? We can only hope the EU has the sense to end this farce, and make Mr Cowen and Mr Lenihan face the reality that Ireland is broken and they are responsible, before they bring the whole EU down around them too. – Yours, etc,
DESMOND FitzGERALD,
letter from dessie to irish times.
bank guarantee is the big one.
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 01:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
Dropped the crom bomb!
Will the EU have any notion of scrapping the bank guarantee?
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 09:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
i'd hope so, but frankly dunno. They've got, as individual nations, reasons to want those debts honoured, but it's an absurd guarantee and o. Rehn has all but come out and said so this week.
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 10:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
good luck ireland western external territory of the european union
― Pro Bono Impersonator (King Boy Pato), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 11:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
truth
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 11:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
guys - GOOD NEWS!!!!
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 11:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
Won't scrap the back guarantee, that's the surest way of blowing the situation up and having it spread as fast as possible.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 14:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/features/2010/1117/1224283516687.html
can't think of anything i hate about ireland more than this sort of utter shite. now isn't the time to resort to the national pastime of slapping ourselves on the back cos we have tayto crisps and "everyone knows everyone", jesus, bit of national rage would be far more appropriate.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 14:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
pull on the green shirt!*
*the green shirt costs 75 euro, no refund
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 14:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
i dont know ed. It will certainly need to be amended to allow for more of a hit to the bondholders.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 14:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
1 @emmagination our turns of phrase – “get up the yard” “get out of that garden” “down there for dancin’”
Land of Joyce and Beckett, etc.
― seandalai, Wednesday, 17 November 2010 14:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
The ritual “no thanks I’m grand I’m only after a cup” followed by “well if you’re having one yourself”
yeah this is fucking brilliant.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 14:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
havent read the article. Wtf does/could that sentence even mean ffs.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 14:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
tbh that's just stock local garda cod irish patter on ilx
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 14:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
nah seriously, i feel literally euphoric when that happens
article is a list of 50 "good things" about ireland, tweeted to shane o'hegarty of the irish times...
"10 @greenscribbler Community – People will always know and remember you no matter how long you have been away"
sinister. and obv no other country in the world has small towns.
39 @SOIreland People going to amazing lengths to help each other. Never ceases to amaze me
unlike the total and utter cunts to a man that inhabit other countries.
x-post no second cup of tea for you...
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 14:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
@greendribbler the miasma of child neglect, rape and the stench of alcoholic hopelessness that lends the rural west it's grave, deep, solemn and sorrowful beauty
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 14:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
@irishbot101 when you walk into a shop and give someone money and get a product in return
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 14:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
say goodbye to that one
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 14:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
otm. barter is back.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 16:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
economic policy this past ten years scripted by ronnie barter imo
Cowen is very sure that europe havent even noticed us. Inda thinks they're comin like those metal spiders in the matrix. Cowen reckons gilmore is 'not a very clever man'.
We three kings disorient are imo
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 16:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
you'd think there'd be a better word than "bailout" in the english language
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 16:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
'raking'
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 16:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
'rehn has absolutely bailed him out there, tell you what geoff. Cowen's never even seen him coming'
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 16:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
In a heated exchange with Brian Cowen, Labour leader Eamon Gilmore told Brian Cowen he was "handing over the deeds to the country" while Fine Gael leader Enda Kenny branded the government's banking policies "catastrophic".
"The IMF are not coming here this Thursday to say 'Keep at it, Brian', " added Kenny for good measure.
not wanting to take any side here (if there are sides) but what the fuck do kenny and gilmore think we should do?
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 16:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
score points
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 16:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
thats all anybody is doing, trying to position themselves historically
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 16:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
because the train is on the tracks now so theres nothing anybody can do
well, lets be fair.
The opposition have had no say in the vote for nama, i believe that labour opposed the guarantee.
They have consistently been denied the info to which they are entitled, even throughout calls for them to support a corrupt and defunct govt in the national interest. That in itself is a fair insult.
They havent been a great opposition, but the manner in which they've been stymied and kept in the dark this past two years, and in particular the last week where cowen and lenihan are just outright lying, is not only discourteous but edges on subversion of the way in which our democracy is meant to function.
When they get cowen and lenihan in a dail debate - rare enough- it's probably a lot to ask to at least get a public direct hit to the tune of 'this is your fault, not ours. There are no good options. We're not in this together.'. it's all they've been left, it's all true, and it's probably the most they can do to get ff out or under pressure. I'd rather they'd realised that game and played it from day 1, back in sep 2008.
You can bet ff will in opposition, and with far less justification.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 16:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
it's a lot to ask for them *not* to go for the direct hit, sorry.
Just want to say that in all of this, the charity single of the aul triangle from hansard and dempsey may well be the final straw that breaks the back of law & order in fair erin. Ear poison
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 16:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, November 17, 2010 2:13 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
Absolutely OTM.
The country that can't bear not to be special.....
even if it's just to be hated from the Danube to Thames.
― sonofstan, Wednesday, 17 November 2010 17:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
o good heres david mcwilliams.
'a bakery owner in kilkenny is worried matt. Lets forgive all mortgage arrears'
Sound, yeah, dave. richard curtis is looking for someone to soften his characterisations a bit, you might take a look.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 17:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
the charity single of the aul triangle from hansard and dempsey
ah ffs i am fucking raging at this, thank fuck i'm not home till dec 21st.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 20:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
are you ragin at the concept or the execution- cos if you've not heard it, it's worse than you think.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 20:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
i've not heard it but the concept enrages me. i hate both of those bastards. don't fuck with that live in germany youtube version ever. only rivalled by dad having it as his too much booze anthem...
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 20:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah classic booze anthem, german cikusenspiegel whatever is definitive for sure, they've tried to improve it by dempsey freestylin i think. it's hard to say wtf they were doing tbh.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 20:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
rapping, ffs. one of my friends loves dempsey and always plays a song of his at weddings or get togethers, it would be grand apart from him being a doctor and this adding to his heroic upstanding young man loved by gfs and parents mystique.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 20:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
nah, not rapping. just singing to his own time with bells on.
ach, bad enough being 'that guy' w/out being a fuckin dr with it like
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 20:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
i know...he admits it's all a front himself too. one time my friend's dad was really hammered and just walked up to him and said "YOU.....i know your game".
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 20:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
fuckit, played that game myself at times, but then i'm not a dr
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 20:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
Wish my rep was worth ten fucking million
During the six day hearing, the court heard Mr Kinsella had sleep walked naked up to the door of Ms Corcoran’s bedroom three times during the night before being told to go back to bed by Kenmare MD Michael Carvill.Mr Kinsella, who was prone to sleep walking, had been drinking earlier and was on medication and was not wearing pyjamas, the court heard.
Mr Kinsella, who was prone to sleep walking, had been drinking earlier and was on medication and was not wearing pyjamas, the court heard.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 November 2010 22:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
I've come to the opinion, considered opinion, mind, that the courts system in Ireland from district up to this level and beyond, is pure fucking stupidity.
finally just sad and scared btw
― plax (ico), Thursday, 18 November 2010 14:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
With respect to that libel judgement, the award was made by a jury of 12 brave and decent Irish citizens. O Tempora! O Mores!
― The New Dirty Vicar, Thursday, 18 November 2010 14:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
ey t cheer up, the sharp shock will not, unfortunately, be short, but it's very necessary. two years from now a multibillion bailout that puts economists in charge wll have been A Good Thing imo. two years ago, we could have done with it.
it's a terrible pity that the suffering will fall disproportionately relative to blame and ability to absorb it, but you live in hope that we learn and change as a country. you kinda have to, i think.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 November 2010 20:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
To adapt a football chant:
90 years and we learnt fuck all...
Why would we start now?
― sonofstan, Thursday, 18 November 2010 20:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
maybe i'm in an unusually optimistic frame of mind, but now that the inevitable has started to happen after being foreshadowed for 2 years and damn near guaranteed for 6 months, the fact that there will soon be strong, logical and unbiased, uncorrupt & untainted-by-dirty-politics decisions coming from a central source is at least something to be thankful for.
the puling lies of cowen, lenihan and roche this past week ought to finally force even their remaining supporters to admit that we're better off without irish govt than we are sticking with the ones we've had for the past 15 years or so.
a word on corporation tax- imo it's symptomatic of the short-cut cheat mentality of the irish political class, and if we can trade it in now to earn some credit with europe, we should do so. if there are firms in ireland that only remain here because they get away with contributing less than their fair share to society, they're best out of it. as a quick-fix strategy for a country without modern business infrastructure, it worked and worked well. the failure to build on its success and the importance we placed on multinational profit-skimmers keeping us working is one of the larger faults in a largely faulty ff regime.
tear it all down
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 November 2010 21:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
ps i dont really give two runny shits for irish sovereignty. national central govt that dismantles local decision making in the way we have since jack lynch in 1977 isn't worth crying over.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 November 2010 21:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
Agree on the sovereignty - the irony of the IT asking this morning what the men of 1916 would be thinking was fantastic.
What i don't get is all this whinging about sovereignty coupled with the 'line in the sand' attitude to our corporation tax rate, as if that were part of the glorious heritage of our patriot dead, instead of being the financial equivalent of the red light on a brothel window for MNCs looking for a cheap - and temporary - extra- national bed for their profits.
― sonofstan, Thursday, 18 November 2010 21:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
i think the IT editorial even nodded to that, yeah
i cant remember who it was, maybe john bruton?- but his argument was (paraphrased) 'i don't think that the EU want us to do anything to effect the only tax that is consistently over-delivering'.
yes, but at whose expense? pretty much the rest of the EU i think, looking at all the multinational european headquarters based here atm.
it's classic irish cute hoor politics, the corporation tax rate. i think i might actually loathe it.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Thursday, 18 November 2010 21:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
sovereignty is being mistaken for like...national identity or national pride, or irishness. totally otm in your words there. if there's any meaning in being irish it transcends economic decisions. it's not that it's not important that we can run our country, just that actually being irish can't really end or be taken away. nationality is an idea at the end of it all i suppose.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Friday, 19 November 2010 00:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah- it's part of you, assuming it means anything to you at all. i'd be very glad if my compatriots could not run the nation we co-inhabit into the ground, but if that is the case then by all means import expertise. don't change how i feel about the way sally o'brien would look at ya or anything, kind of thing
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Friday, 19 November 2010 00:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
if there are firms in ireland that only remain here because they get away with contributing less than their fair share to society, they're best out of it.
They do contribute 10% worth of taxation though, and employment. If Facebook/Google left I don't think there would be much net benefit to the country.
― seandalai, Friday, 19 November 2010 01:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
if they left.
we have a lot more going for us that the rhetoric bigging up the corporation tax would have you believe.
particularly now, with graduates flying out of university into a much more competitive jobs market. the fall in labour costs alone over the past two years has probably eaten into a lot of the difference a 2% Corp Tax rise would make.
we'd still be well below EU average at that, native english speakers, well educated, gateway to europe, what have you.
i'm tryin to stay positive here, i'm usually the black morass of despair itt.
lots of doublespeak around the EU/IMF/Whoever not having the power to 'force' us to raise it tho- they don't have to 'force' us to do anything, nor do they have to 'give' us a couple dozen billion quid. the most galling thing about a lot of this is the stupidity lenihan and cowen seem to take for granted in the electorate.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Friday, 19 November 2010 01:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
mind you the electorate haven't given them any discouragement there for the guts of two decades so.....
Fine Gael deputy spokesman for finance, with responsibility for public expenditure, Brian Hayes said he had no regrets about telling former minister Frank Fahey he was talking “a pile of s**t” when they both appeared on a radio programme yesterday morning.Mr Fahey, speaking on Newstalk’s Breakfast Show, told presenter Ivan Yates, Ireland was in a “pretty good position”, the State’s sovereign debt was in a “good situation” and the Government had handled the economic crisis well.
Mr Fahey, speaking on Newstalk’s Breakfast Show, told presenter Ivan Yates, Ireland was in a “pretty good position”, the State’s sovereign debt was in a “good situation” and the Government had handled the economic crisis well.
brian hayes otmfm, but really he should have thrown a few slaps as well
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Friday, 19 November 2010 02:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
skip buddle buddle buddle and head for about 14 mins.
not everyone want to hear the opposition oppose/attack, but tbh it should have been this and nothin but this level of face-chewing from lab/fg this past two years.
i'm near enough the stage where i'm now worried that taking on these loans from the bailout fund could be another bank guarantee all over again, as per prof kinsella in the last minute of this clip. haven't had a chance to realy read about the conditions/intentions for this money, but if we're talking 20-90bn at 5% a year, and all that's planned for it is to go to the banks/bonds, then that's insanity. we should lock the ferry ports and close the airports if the IMF try to land with that level of suggestion, it's practically the irish taxpayer rescuing a crisis hit euro through more FF credit-card economics.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Friday, 19 November 2010 03:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
sorry, link
http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1118/economy1.html#video
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Friday, 19 November 2010 03:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
its not so much about money. its the way the country just feels like its crumbling.
― plax (ico), Friday, 19 November 2010 17:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
well yeah, but society, or whatever you want to call it, has been wearing thin because of grab grab for a long time now. money papered over that for a long time. when the money goes, it uncovers an awful lot of ugly stuff in the political system.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Saturday, 20 November 2010 13:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
WELL THAT ALL SOUNDS LIKE PRETTY FUCKIN GOOD NEWS THEN, THANKS FOR KEEPING US UPDATED.
i hope lenihan is dying. i hope the other cunt sharply follows suit. 15% approval, dead on its feet and they're locking us into 90bn of debt to cover investor debt. unforgivable, incredible.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Sunday, 21 November 2010 20:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
a british journalist has to ask cowen how much blame he holds, how ashamed he is and if he'll step down.
irish media is rotten to the core.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Sunday, 21 November 2010 20:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
VINCENT BROWNE YOU ARE MY HERO is trending on Twitter. Srsly it's easy pickings for these dinosaurs to just turn up and rant and rave at the taoiseach. If any of them were doing their jobs they'd have done it when it mattered.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Sunday, 21 November 2010 21:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
not sure what you are getting at there, sure VB has been carrying on like this for years?
― Volvo Twilight (p-dog), Sunday, 21 November 2010 22:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
What did he do?
― seandalai, Sunday, 21 November 2010 22:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
Vincent Browne? He asked Brian Cowen how much further debt is being incurred - which Cowen refused to answer. He also asked him to accept the blame for the whole mess, which of course he was never going to do. RTE cut away during the questions, plus their coverage was at the usual abysmal standard.
― Volvo Twilight (p-dog), Sunday, 21 November 2010 23:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
a british journalist has to ask cowen how much blame he holds, how ashamed he is and if he'll step down.irish media is rotten to the core.― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac),
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac),
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Sunday, 21 November 2010 23:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
Aha, thanks! - xp
― seandalai, Sunday, 21 November 2010 23:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
cowen didnt answer a question he didn't like. lenihan didnt answer a question he didn't like. they repeated their statements every time they were asked about resignation, their credibility, their authority to bargain on behalf of the country, and whether or not they lied to the country all last week.
personally, i have no problem with these questions being asked. yes, they should have been asked every day since sept 2008, but these two guys haven't made themselves very available for direct interview, and they just ignore every question they wish to avoid. the standard of accountability is contemptible, laughable. the opposition are as much to blame for this standard as anyone else, ever since b ahern was allowed mumble his way through the late 90's and beyond without ever once answering a direct question in our parliament.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Sunday, 21 November 2010 23:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah i don't have a prob with them being asked, i dunno, just the cheerleading i guess. it shouldn't be something to praise v browne for...
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Sunday, 21 November 2010 23:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
v browne has fallen a long way but tbf to the dude he's been asking the right questions all along- just that nobody listend to the crazy old bastid anymore
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Sunday, 21 November 2010 23:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
why did cowen etc extend the guarantee to all bank liabilities in the first place or whatever? i remember them doing this and it being seen as courageous or s/thing
sorry i'm a bit entrylev wrt the eire clusterfuck
― calpolaris (nakhchivan), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
that is not entrylev, that is the U&K current question that failed completely to matter as a result of today.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah but i can't even remember the stated reason at the time
― calpolaris (nakhchivan), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
i think it was just to forestall blind panic, like everyone would see the cast iron guarantee of eire plc and be reassured the whole house of cards was secure
― calpolaris (nakhchivan), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
apparently people who invest in banks shouldn't ever lose money, and a guarantee on deposits only or to the tune of some such wasn't an option.
basically, the four bank chairmen told the minister for finance that it was necessary one weekend, and he went with it. even after it was clear that they'd been persistently feeding the govt false info, he kept renewing it. last month saw us pay c.55bn to bondholders on behalf of the banks, that's where the crisis came from- the ecb said enough was enough and we had nowhere else to go come spring, when our current reserves run out.
xps, yes, that washed until you can send in some goon accountants to go over every fucking detail and make some actual decisions. two years on and the imf are doing that now.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
― calpolaris (nakhchivan), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
i fall short of believing they're both criminally stupid, so i'm gonna call em both corrupt, with vested interests in propping up dead banks and ensuring full repayment of the correspondent debts that we will hear about maybe two decades from now
lenihan has gotten kudos from day 1 of this crisis. he's been wrong, hasty, inflexible and frankly naive ever since the guarantee,
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Monday, 22 November 2010 01:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
why did cowen etc extend the guarantee to all bank liabilities in the first place or whatever?
There was perceived to be a real likelihood that the banking system was about to completely collapse, which would have shut down the economy as it would be almost impossible to buy, sell, or pay for anything. The bank guarantee scheme might not have been the best response to that crisis in retrospect, but I have a certain sympathy for people who were dealing with very big decisions in a very short time frame. Now, as other commentators have said, they maybe were asleep at their desks if they let things get that far, but that is another matter.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Monday, 22 November 2010 11:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
Government collapse begins.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Monday, 22 November 2010 12:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
― calpolaris (nakhchivan), Monday, 22 November 2010 22:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
WTF?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/ireland-business-blog-with-lisa-ocarroll/2010/nov/22/ireland
― decent skinsmanship (Michael B), Monday, 22 November 2010 23:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
That's utterly brutal if accurate...interesting that the villain-of-last-month NAMA contributes just 1/40th of the total.
― seandalai, Monday, 22 November 2010 23:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
even more unimpressed with cowen than normal- his 'i know what i'm doing, fuck the lot of ye' steez doesn't mix well with his thundering 'row in behind me for the national good' re@ budget, four year plans.
he doesn't seem to realise that people are terrified of what he'll do given the chance to lock us into a four year plan. i cannot imagine how the national interest could possibly be served by giving him that kind of power as a going away present- what would be the point of being in govt after it?
imo he shouldn't even be given the chance to produce a budget for the coming year. he and lenihan have no justifiable right to dictate financial procedure to this country after the last half decade.
if fg and lab dont try to push the govt out before a budget, it will be yet another huge political mistake on their parts. thing is, this 'national interest' shit seems to freeze keny in his boots, allowing FF to wreak havoc while he backs slowly out of any challenge.
that other article seems less than rigorous, tbh. i dont think anyone expected our national debt not to go up by a couple dozen billion on top of the bailout? this isn't a cure-all bailout, it's merely formalising the terms
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Monday, 22 November 2010 23:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
Speaking at a press conference in Government Buildings this morning, Green Party leader and Minister for the Environment John Gormley said his party would pull out of Government after the budget was passed. He said it was now up to the Taoiseach to set the date for the poll.
backstabbing on-the-fence carte-blanche. fantastically fucked combination of action/message/result here.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Monday, 22 November 2010 23:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
ps- thoughts on rte pulling the live feed last night?
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Monday, 22 November 2010 23:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
Would it make political sense for Gilmore/Kenny to allow FF introduce a harsh budget and thus avoid some of the fallout for the cuts that will inevitably be made?
― seandalai, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 00:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
Bunch of TRATIORS.
― seandalai, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 14:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
it makes no sense for gilmore or kenny to allow a budget through tht they will be blamed for anyway. The irish political psyche does not allow for consideration beyond 'this is happening now'
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 14:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
regarding cowen being given the power to negotiate a bank bailout and a four year budget as a going away present, i pretty much agree with most of what fintan o'toole says.
though i'v e not heard it in any other media yet- tbf i've been away from radio etc all day- has anyone heard anything to the tune of 'ff shouldn't be allowed to do this before they go'? are people not wise to the 'it's in the national interest' line by now?
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
― max, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
again, pointless and diversionary from the media.
as far as i know, nobody as referred to either cowen or lenihan as 'liars' yet in a headline nor in any article.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
http://bocktherobber.com/2010/11/reinventing-ireland
― decent skinsmanship (Michael B), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
'those who can pay more, will pay more'
Mr cowen.
Eh, how? Where? No change to the beloved corp tax, cuts to far exceed taxes.
Dreams of the tax reforms needed fading rapidly.
Public sector pensions hit, but not unfairly imo. That likely tax hikes will include us disproportionately as opposed to high earners, well, speaks for itself.
No sign of any type of move towards taxing wealth/assets. The money made during the celtic tiger really did vanish, huh
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 15:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
tbh im more pissed off abt stuff like the school i went to having more prefabs than classrooms and almost no playground left. they wanted an extension when i started there abt 20 years ago and they still dont have funding. the population has like quadrupled since then. when i think about how that money got wasted when we had it. sure we have better roads, but we wasted all our money on ugly vacant commercial premises and now we.ll never have any money again.
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 15:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
ppl can be angry all they want abt the shifty deregulation and neoliberalism. but while ff can claim to have had the wool pulled over their eyes, they cant really claim to have invested in good infrastructure.
seems like it would have slowed the rate of growth and provided more sustainable employment in building?
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
like sure, shudawudacuda tho
like i guess limk was a good vantage point for this, a large prop. of ppl employed in building, a decaying urban centre. result a ton of expensive developments that nobody was moving into. felt like the admin. solution to the increasing donutification was to build more in the hope of attracting businesses, in the hope of attracting ppl back in. but the city is so unattractively empty nobody wasever gonna move in
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
well, where there's genuine need for public infrastructure, now's the perfect time to do it!
Except all money is ringfenced for the banks, to support the euro.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
well thats what i mean?
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
not disagreein with you at all, just frustrated at the waste for no gain.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
yah i mean we have no hope of a stimulous plan or anything. its funny to think abt that.
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
also
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/1124/breaking39.html
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 16:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
12% seems like an awful lot for the lowest earners
it is an awful lot.
but dont worry, they'll make it easier to take by cutting the shit out of rent supplement, dole, lone parents, whatever you want. as long as you have something worse than working for pittance, then you'll keep some mugs at it. good economics.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 19:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
where the fuck are the taxes on wealth and assets.
how do you tax that tho? other than low interest rates, or an increase in local taxes for big houses etc
― calpolaris (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 19:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
I may be underestimating the difficulty of getting a register of assets? Or am I? Why would that be so difficult?
There's huge asset wealth in Ireland, a lot of it rests with the very sections that have both benefited most from the boom and were disproportionately responsible for the property and banking crises. And many of them have little or no declared income now, just huge houses, mercs and golf club memberships to get through the day. Aside from the legitimacy of taxing wealth as a general measure, in our current circumstances it becomes damn near a moral imperative that assets are generating some income for the state in the recovery process.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 19:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
Freely admit I'm riffing here, but I haven't seen a coherent argument as to why a wealth/asset income-generating approach would be any worse than the IMF loan-shark bailing out of the banks method.
I'm sure someone on ILX can give me one, tbh.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 19:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah i'd agree, but how would you go about it? i guess you could tax rental properties cuz nobody will want to sell them right now, but then ppl will just increase rent en masse
how would you tax liquid assets?
― calpolaris (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 19:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
tax on rental properties already exists, the 200 quid NPPR levy. that'll rise.
How would I tax liquid assets? maybe
goal
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 19:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
on a transactional basis? thing about liquid assets is that they're at their most useful when easily transferable, so you'd have to keep that low.
assets like property- well, the govt are terrified to do anything with property, but the reality is that market is still fairly heavily overpriced for the most part. rents are falling all the time, and there aren't enough of us out there to fill the fucking things. the only thing that could help now is govt intervention on the purchasing side- use NAMA to clear the housing lists and get anyone with a long term need off rent supplement and into their own home. the amount of people with second homes they cant afford to keep vs the number of people without primary residences of their own will dawn on some bright spark one of these days
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 19:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
noonan, even when talking sense, creeps me out.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 22:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
love cranky old economists. mccarthy just moaning and digging at today's uninspiring document.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 22:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
Excellent work there
― Matt DC, Thursday, 25 November 2010 11:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
that's my mum's brother you're talking about...he is genuinely a great guy, likes good music, great to have a pint with. i'm starting to get a bit bamboozled with the sheer volume of opinions on ireland right now so can't really comment on his credentials. surprised he (or anyone) wants to be minister for finance but he does it seems.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 25 November 2010 11:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
sorry i realise my backing is utterly irrelevant to politics but hey hum...
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 25 November 2010 11:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
no, look- his opinion on prime time last night was refreshing. He didnt like the plan, but for all the right reasons, was quick to agree that fg would be seeking the same level of savings, kept on topic and was more grounded than the other panellists.
But he just.... leers a bit, imo
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Thursday, 25 November 2010 12:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
intrigued about noonan's music taste.....
― decent skinsmanship (Michael B), Thursday, 25 November 2010 12:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
wonder if bruton wont get finance after the election tho.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Thursday, 25 November 2010 12:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
he likes lots of stuff you'd expect, van morrison or whatever, but he also likes jazz a lot, he would have miles davis and stuff on a lot at christmas i remember when i was younger and we used to spend it in limerick. in my extended family that's about as good as it gets in terms of musical taste!
i think the leer thing is just kind of his manner. it's sort of sad sometimes, i feel like when it comes to being a serious politician he's never managed to also show his personality, cos he is genuinely a really funny ultra charismatic dude.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 25 November 2010 12:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
i imagine most politicians at that level are better in person in any number of ways tbh.
Except micheal ring. Srsly.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Thursday, 25 November 2010 12:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah of course, prob plenty of them are nice guys, can't expect it to matter really given they make the decisions they do.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 25 November 2010 14:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
― Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Wednesday, May 12, 2010 5:23 PM (6 months ago) Bookmark
― rip whiney g weingarten 03/11 never forget (history mayne), Thursday, 25 November 2010 14:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
we're takin ye with us imo, regardless of 8bn compensation offer for 1603
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Thursday, 25 November 2010 16:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Friday, 26 November 2010 21:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
BACK THE FUCK UP BACK UP
6.7%
6.7%?????
fuck this imf deal, tbh. we're fucked, but we're not at the last resort yet. this is international loan-sharking that benefits fuck-all of the irish people.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Friday, 26 November 2010 21:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
hey shut up, this is no time for dissent
― plax (ico), Friday, 26 November 2010 21:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
If you don't pay we'll send Wolverhampton and St Helens over to break your knees.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 26 November 2010 21:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
if i thought the union-organised march would be anything but baaaah-ing i'd go.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Friday, 26 November 2010 21:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
but shit, 6.7%?
85bn, 6.7%.
1/6 of whatever we draw down from this fund, every year, in repayment.
and i'm not convinced they're not going to just throw it into the banks. they're being very quiet on what this fund will be used for. i don't believe for a second that FF won't try to commit, irretrievably if possible, as much of this capital into black holes before they leave office.
this just got terrifying imo. an election tomorrow wouldn't be soon enough. i don't think anyone is stressing the damage that could be done by these guys between now and january.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Friday, 26 November 2010 21:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
Where is the 6.7% figure being reported?
I don't really see that the election will fix the major problem, though it will hopefully put some (less in-)competent people in charge. Unless some party is willing to countenance default or the idea of leaving the Euro gains serious traction, we're throwing all our money into securing the banks' debts anyway.
― seandalai, Friday, 26 November 2010 21:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/26/opinion/26krugman.html?_r=1&hp
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 26 November 2010 21:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
reported on rte1 news.
election of a new govt will not fix the problem, but we need new decision makers. cowen and lenihan will not countenance an new options now, they're more concerned with consistency than competency or rational weighing-up of alternatives.
ps- i want a new govt to 'countenance' any and all options, including, if not default, then the very real option of retracting the bank guarantee to the extent possible.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Friday, 26 November 2010 21:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
krugman otm otm otm ffs
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Friday, 26 November 2010 21:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
cant believe the extent to which the debate is being stifled in this country, with people all to willing to repeat what they're hearing from a very small group of highly self-motivated individuals who were mainly responsible to begin with
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Friday, 26 November 2010 21:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
anything higher than 4% on the fraud imf bailout is disastrous, not even taking into account that the whole imf thing is disastrous.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Friday, 26 November 2010 21:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
i think our tigerrogance kinda prevented anybody from believing the ramifications of what was happening until recently. The boom was such a seemingly instantaneous thing that it seemed that the decline would be like turning a light off and when it wasnt everybody believed it had sortof um, gone away a bit leaving us some stuff we could grumble about. Now it kindof feels like the bottom has completely fallen out. its like the pacing is all off and i dont really know how im supposed to feel about it at any given moment?
― plax (ico), Friday, 26 November 2010 21:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
less of the 'we' talk, tbh. don't let yourself get dragged into that, unless you have an offshore account or 1m+ pension.
the decline was like turning a light off, which was a part of the problem (though not as large a part of it as FF insist- underlying bank/property issues were not going to be defeated by any length of a slow decline)- 'soft landing' was the phrase of choice back when things were still good.
the bottom hasn't fallen out until FF have definitely bound us to the IMF loan and closed the door on any possibility of negotiating a settlement with the banks/bondholders. that is close, and seemingly inevitable, and crazy that we're letting it go ahead in the circumstances. it's like letting the nazis sit in judgement at nuremberg.
how you're supposed to feel now- well, imo, the media are still sugarcoating this.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Friday, 26 November 2010 21:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
worse, they're still censoring the debates imo.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Friday, 26 November 2010 21:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
jeez, i'm the irish morbs aren't i?
now now youre not THAT bad
― decent skinsmanship (Michael B), Friday, 26 November 2010 21:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah, but i mean i'm 20 years or w/e younger. if we have to put up with fg/ff as the irish dem/rep covering the same narrow band of ides/outlooks for the next 20 years, i'll go insane.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Friday, 26 November 2010 21:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
we all will
― decent skinsmanship (Michael B), Friday, 26 November 2010 22:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
homer simpson: "Default! The two sweetest words in the English language!"
― decent skinsmanship (Michael B), Friday, 26 November 2010 22:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
vincent browne show killin it right now. kathleen lynch in particular throwing out CSO figures. some fat young dude shouting her down.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Tuesday, 30 November 2010 23:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
“As Ireland can no longer ensure the solvency both of its sovereign [ie State] and of its banking system, Europe must choose between two contagion risks. Put an end to Dublin’s suicidal promise to make whole its banks’ senior creditors and risk a wave of bank failures. Or keep the Irish State on the hook for private losses and risk an even more virulent spread of sovereign troubles. This should be a simple, brutal choice: many banks cannot survive a sovereign default. This is a time to strengthen sovereign defences and prepare for bank restructuring [ie let the banks take the hit.]”.
financial times still seems to think it's an option. but nobody in our dail believes so. i guess jackie healy-rae knows best.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Wednesday, 1 December 2010 01:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
not that i think it'll come to it, because nmost of our 'independents' are ff floaters, but lucinda creighton will abstain on the budget vote just because she's been slapped down with all of the other bruton followers since the leadership challenge? christ, she's poisonous, and that strikes me as both wrong (most importantly) and politically incredibly naive (she will de facto be the person that allowed the roughest budget in memory to go through, regardless of whether any revamped one would have been significantly different).
two different challenges afoot on whether the govt have the power to enter into a binding 4 yr plan with the IMF. they claim it's not inding anyway, so n'yah. i think we can all accept that if we borrow any significant proportion of the moneys negotiated for, we'll be bound so tightly we'll be phoning brussels/berlin for permission to flush.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Monday, 6 December 2010 03:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
lol this is gonna suuuuuck
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 12:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
Nearer home, Mr Healy-Rae said he had got a firm commitment for a new community hospital for Kenmare from the Taoiseach last Wednesday.He also got “a good enough commitment” from Mr Lenihan for funding for the €100 million bypass for Tralee, the biggest road project proposed to date for Co Kerry.
He also got “a good enough commitment” from Mr Lenihan for funding for the €100 million bypass for Tralee, the biggest road project proposed to date for Co Kerry.
Sob.
― seandalai, Tuesday, 7 December 2010 12:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
we need, and i'm serious here, the public execution of healy-rae.
― Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 December 2010 13:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
via omar little
― max, Friday, 10 December 2010 18:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
real talk
― buzza, Friday, 10 December 2010 18:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2010/1223/1224286171110.html
damn
― No Wicked Heart Shall Prosper.rar (nakhchivan), Thursday, 23 December 2010 03:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
not that it's a huge thing in 'the grand scheme of things'
but it's a fucking disgrace
― No Wicked Heart Shall Prosper.rar (nakhchivan), Thursday, 23 December 2010 03:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
somewhat burnt out/jaded since the imf deal/budget passed without any trouble, but fuck's sake that's so wrong
― all i gotta do is akh nachivly (darraghmac), Thursday, 23 December 2010 10:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
how has that cunt clung on for this long anyway
― nakhchivan, Friday, 14 January 2011 01:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
he's not a cunt hes a surly brat
― all i gotta do is akh nachivly (darraghmac), Friday, 14 January 2011 01:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
and he's clung on by pre-empting every putsch with a meeting, then declaring at that meeting that he's not quitting and sure why would he his continued success is in the country's best interests shure and, amazingly, this has washed so far. he's managed to make that work at least three times, between challenges from opposition, coalition partners and internally within his own party
he's essentially in charge of the country because he's refusing to go.
― all i gotta do is akh nachivly (darraghmac), Friday, 14 January 2011 01:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
idk
he gives every impression of being a cunt
― nakhchivan, Friday, 14 January 2011 01:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
clarification- lately, yeah, he's a cunt. but only because none of this is anything to do with him and why is everyone blaming him, and then he gets cranky and acts the cunt. generally he's just yer average accountant, got no soul, kinda hates everyone, but mainly just wants left alone kind of thing
― all i gotta do is akh nachivly (darraghmac), Friday, 14 January 2011 01:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
clarification- the 'none of this is anything to do with him' is imagined internal debate. he's as much to blame as pretty much any individual in the state for the way things are going to go.
― all i gotta do is akh nachivly (darraghmac), Friday, 14 January 2011 01:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
you are rather humanizing him here
rip in advance big man
― nakhchivan, Friday, 14 January 2011 01:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
not rip, rih
i dont mean to humanize him overmuch, but i mean looking for a being of pure evil in charge of the govt of a small island nation is a bit silly, haughey's dead years.
― all i gotta do is akh nachivly (darraghmac), Friday, 14 January 2011 01:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
idk about haughey, doesn't strike me as evil tho
― nakhchivan, Friday, 14 January 2011 01:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
very depressing how long he's clung on without much effort really being made to put in some honesty/credibility. he's smothered any real movement for change i think, or at least delayed, frustrated and oppressed it for long enough that the damage is so endemic to any future govt/movement that there's no real point getting excited or debating options anymore.
haughey not evil, or cowen not evil? xp
― all i gotta do is akh nachivly (darraghmac), Friday, 14 January 2011 01:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
neither
― nakhchivan, Friday, 14 January 2011 01:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
haughey is a being of the purest evil, violence, greed and spite. he's a wonderful character to have lurking just far back enough to be relieved none of his hobgoblins inherited his drive or competence.
― all i gotta do is akh nachivly (darraghmac), Friday, 14 January 2011 01:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
i don't get the impression that cowen is so to singularly responsible for this situation that you can pretend some other fuck wouldn't have made the same errors, and in any case was presiding over a culture of panglossian stupidity and a coterie of incestuous politicians/lenders/developers
latter is a risk of a small country i guess -- at the highest level, everyone knows everyone
― nakhchivan, Friday, 14 January 2011 01:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
i mean seriously, haughey's big daddy pollitt in terms of where FF really started to go wrong, the shits in charge since are Goopers
― all i gotta do is akh nachivly (darraghmac), Friday, 14 January 2011 01:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
damn i'll take yr word for it about haughey seeing as he was one yr local bredrin
thought of him as just a sort of slimy machine pol
― nakhchivan, Friday, 14 January 2011 01:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
i think it's more than fair to claim that the incestuous nature of the political system over here has been perpetuated and deliberately encouraged by those who held power, that the outcomes were forseeable, predicted and ignored for personal gain/glory, and that ahern, cowen and now lenihan have consistently made critical calls in other than the national interest as a result of the type of political machinations that they choose to engage in.
he's fairly blameable
― all i gotta do is akh nachivly (darraghmac), Friday, 14 January 2011 01:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
xp i've thrown muck at the plaque on his house, which is as politically active as i get tbh
Despite his professed desire to fade from public attention, retirement was anything but smooth for the former Taoiseach. A series of political, financial and personal scandals tarnished his image and reputation in his later years. In the late 1990s the public were shocked to hear revelations about his extravagant private life — Haughey owned racehorses,[31] a large motor sailing yacht Celtic Mist, a private island and a Gandon designed mansion.[32] Haughey was severely ridiculed and criticised when he was found to have embezzled money that was a subvention to the Fianna Fáil Party; money that was from central Government's taxpayer's funds for the operation of a political party and spent large sums of these funds on Charvet shirts and expensive dinners in a top Dublin restaurant, while preaching belt-tightening and implementing budget cuts as a national policy.[33]In May 1999, Terry Keane, gossip columnist and once wife of former Chief Justice, Ronan Keane, revealed on The Late Late Show that she and Haughey had conducted a 27-year extramarital affair.[34] In a move that she subsequently said she deeply regretted, Keane confirmed that the man she had been referring to for years in her newspaper column as "sweetie" was indeed Haughey. The revelation on the television programme shocked at least some of the audience, including Haughey's son, Seán, who was watching the show. Haughey's wife, Maureen was also said to have been deeply hurt by the circumstances of the revelation.The McCracken Tribunal in 1997 first revealed the payments by businessmen to Haughey, and also revealed that he had held secret offshore bank accounts in the Ansbacher Bank in the Cayman Islands. Haughey faced criminal charges for obstructing the work of the McCracken tribunal.[35][36] His trial on these charges was postponed indefinitely after the judge in the case found that he would not be able to get a fair trial following prejudicial comments by the then PD leader and Tánaiste Mary Harney.[37]The subsequent Moriarty Tribunal delved further into Haughey's financial dealings. In his main report[38] on Charles Haughey released on 19 December 2006, Mr. Justice Moriarty made the following findings:Haughey was paid more than IR£8 million between 1979 and 1986 from various benefactors and businessmen, including £1.3 million from the Dunnes Stores supermarket tycoon Ben Dunne alone.[32] The tribunal described these payments as "unethical".[39]In May 1989 one of Haughey's lifelong friends Brian Lenihan, a former government minister, underwent a liver transplant which was partly paid for through fundraising by Haughey. The Moriarty tribunal found that, of the £270,000 collected in donations for Brian Lenihan, no more than £70,000 ended up being spent on Lenihan's medical care. The tribunal identified one specific donation of £20,000 for Lenihan that was surreptitiously appropriated by Haughey,[40] who took steps to conceal this transaction.[41][42]The tribunal found evidence of favours performed in return for money — Saudi businessman Mahmoud Fustok paid Haughey £50,000 to support applications for Irish citizenship.[39]In other evidence of favours performed, the tribunal reported that Haughey arranged meetings between Ben Dunne and civil servant Seamus Pairceir of the Revenue Commissioners. These discussions resulted in an outstanding capital gains tax bill for Dunne being reduced by £22.8 million. Moriarty found that this was "not coincidental", and that it was a substantial benefit conferred on Dunne by Haughey's actions.[43]Allied Irish Banks settled a million-pound overdraft with Haughey soon after he became Taoiseach in 1979; the tribunal found that the lenience shown by the bank in this case amounted to an indirect payment by the bank to Haughey.[39]
this is ignoring the embezzlement of exchequer funds to buy weapons for the IRA in the late 60's, but I'm sure there's more learned individuals around can fill in whether that was a more sympathetic impulse at the time or not.
― all i gotta do is akh nachivly (darraghmac), Friday, 14 January 2011 01:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
In May 1989 one of Haughey's lifelong friends Brian Lenihan, a former government minister, underwent a liver transplant which was partly paid for through fundraising by Haughey. The Moriarty tribunal found that, of the £270,000 collected in donations for Brian Lenihan, no more than £70,000 ended up being spent on Lenihan's medical care. The tribunal identified one specific donation of £20,000 for Lenihan that was surreptitiously appropriated by Haughey,[40] who took steps to conceal this transaction.[41][42]
― all i gotta do is akh nachivly (darraghmac), Friday, 14 January 2011 01:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
tho that liary cunt and his spawn can fro too tbh
yeah but insofar as cowen is a placeholder for some other second rate accountant with above average schmoozing skills, would another have done much differently? guess the critical call was the bank guarantee but as you said last time we went through this, it was a panic move to forestall a total collapse
thing about haughey/ahern is how small-time they were with their venality, happy to skim off a few grand here and there in between the big thieving
― nakhchivan, Friday, 14 January 2011 01:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
bank guarantee is lenihan's baby. cowen's portion of blame runs mainly from his terms as minister for finance with responsibility to regulate and change what he knew to be a rotten inherited system, and his refusal once the slide started to deal honestly, openly or fairly with the elected body of the dáil or the country as a while- or probably even his own finance dept and other state bodies, i'd imagine.
i'm not convinced that we were always going to get a second rate accountant (solicitor, tbh iirc?) if he didn't get in, but seeing as he did, let's make sure he carries some can for his (and our) troubles.
― all i gotta do is akh nachivly (darraghmac), Friday, 14 January 2011 02:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
is schmoozing skills are significantly below average, and although he's considered highly intelligent (or reported as such) in terms of his analytical skills etc, his interpersonal/communications instincts are chilled below zero.
lots of govts did do a lot differently, if we're only talking from bank guarantee call onwards
― all i gotta do is akh nachivly (darraghmac), Friday, 14 January 2011 02:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
did some skimming about haughey and the ira
apparently he was given money to provide assistance for nationalist families in the north, tried to buy guns from some ex-nazi
probably not one of his bigger sins
― nakhchivan, Friday, 14 January 2011 02:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
bit of a stink of military dictator in waiting about it, i've always thought.
― all i gotta do is akh nachivly (darraghmac), Friday, 14 January 2011 02:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
did ireland have enough military to stage a coup?
― nakhchivan, Friday, 14 January 2011 02:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
There was no rapprochement in the relationship between Gibbons and Haughey and when Haughey became Taoiseach, Gibbons was dropped from his Ministerial office. During a later leadership contest, Gibbons was assaulted in Dáil Éireann by Haughey supporters
nice little detail. believe future economic doyen c mccreevey was also bet out of the dáil after a failed heave in the 80's.
haughey's a real bogeyman, interesting character. he got serious hooks into the national psyche thogh, we've certainly not had anyone able to whip the country into a frenzy like him since.
my dad claims as follows, btw
- haughey used to stay in his family's b&b along with other FF honchos back in the day- he dated haughey's daughter when he was a dashing young fisherman, or at least istr him mentioning in passing once
― all i gotta do is akh nachivly (darraghmac), Friday, 14 January 2011 02:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
i'm not sure it would have taken a serious military presence as a core group, tbh. if haughey had managed to start running guns under the counter to the boyos in the north, he would have earned plenty of loyalty from the hardliners north and south, and plenty of the army, gardaí, govt, church, yadda yadda would have been on tha side of the national question to begin with. it's questionable whether he even had any strong convictions that way himself, or whether it was an available route to back-corridor power for him.
― all i gotta do is akh nachivly (darraghmac), Friday, 14 January 2011 02:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
required reading re: cowen's attitude upon inheriting the throne
www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2011/0114/1224287488231.html
― all i gotta do is akh nachivly (darraghmac), Friday, 14 January 2011 11:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
ppl dont talk enough abt the double pronged blame that cowen is due, as taoiseach AND finance minister
― plax (ico), Friday, 14 January 2011 12:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
btw why does everyone hate joan burton, i think shes awesome! wkiw.
i think she has problems in both content and deliverance, unlike eg jigga
― all i gotta do is akh nachivly (darraghmac), Friday, 14 January 2011 12:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
i love watching her yell at ppl in the dail!
― plax (ico), Friday, 14 January 2011 12:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
ps i will talk about cowen's double-whatever-opposite-of-indemnity-is all day
― all i gotta do is akh nachivly (darraghmac), Friday, 14 January 2011 12:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
― nakhchivan, Friday, January 14, 2011 1:59 AM (10 hours ago)
um haughey had an island, this seems p big time 2 me.
― plax (ico), Friday, 14 January 2011 12:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
jesus how'd i miss that?
Haughey spent 8k per shirt when a house in dublin cost 35k.
― all i gotta do is akh nachivly (darraghmac), Friday, 14 January 2011 12:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
plax i mean that in between the seven figure payoffs, he was happy to skim a few fat brown envelopes from various smalltime crooks too
it makes sense tho
― nakhchivan, Friday, 14 January 2011 13:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
it was his MO, at every level he ever reached he was a gangster.
― all i gotta do is akh nachivly (darraghmac), Friday, 14 January 2011 13:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
pimpin and crimin
― plax (ico), Friday, 14 January 2011 13:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
xp - One difference between Haughey and a lot of the other cowboys/gombeens was that he had a more international taste in ill-gotten gains; cf. Ahern's anorak image until well after he became Taoiseach.
― Dans la Bot (seandalai), Friday, 14 January 2011 13:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
they're just tacky in diff. ways.
― plax (ico), Friday, 14 January 2011 13:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
dessie o'malley was jostled during the haughey era as well. it's always seemed to me you must have had to be a dick to thrive in haughey's party.
i agree tho with nakh, it is fucking weird that he would embezzle 50k when he was being given millions. like why? that's getting into actual addiction to stealing shit...
you wonder about albert tho, proved a liar but was he a crook too?
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Friday, 14 January 2011 15:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
hard to say about albert, i'd say his businesss thrived due to his political connections, but outright thieving prob not.
― all i gotta do is akh nachivly (darraghmac), Friday, 14 January 2011 15:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
dear god, ivor callely has had his suspension and the ruling against him revoked or w/e
Legal system in this country is worthy of the finest satire.
― all i gotta do is akh nachivly (darraghmac), Friday, 14 January 2011 17:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
i was thinking about how funny it is that u guys were wondering if albert reynolds was a massive crook mainly bc he was taoiseach and what awful things it says about our sinking broken country
― plax (ico), Friday, 14 January 2011 17:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
it says we're barely out of nappies as a functioning democracy. This might be the first election fought on policy in ireland as opposed to who yer grandad liked, dev or collins.
― all i gotta do is akh nachivly (darraghmac), Friday, 14 January 2011 17:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
Basically to survive in Fianna Fail in the 80s you had to be willing to at least tolerate massive corruption, whether or not you were involved in it yourself.
Albert didn't come out so well from the Beef Tribunal iirc.
― Dans la Bot (seandalai), Friday, 14 January 2011 17:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
course the irony is they'll only be able to argue on what they would have done differently, cos we've been fucked since 2008.
― all i gotta do is akh nachivly (darraghmac), Friday, 14 January 2011 17:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
Will this election be fought on policy? Can't think of any significant differences, especially given the bailout straightjacket:
Fianna Gael: we're not Fianna FailLabour: we're not Fianna Fail, and everyone likes Eamon GilmoreFianna Fail: emm...
― Dans la Bot (seandalai), Friday, 14 January 2011 17:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
thats what i was sayin after that re policy, yeah.
FF will be- we're the new FF
― all i gotta do is akh nachivly (darraghmac), Friday, 14 January 2011 18:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0116/breaking2.html
one of the better ones i suppose
― all i gotta do is akh nachivly (darraghmac), Sunday, 16 January 2011 22:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, Martin is the only hope for FF as ffar as I can tell.
Any feeling about whether Cowen survives the confidence vote? I think he will, though I have nothing to base this on.
― Dans la Bot (seandalai), Monday, 17 January 2011 01:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
the only thing to base it on is his own call to stick around- so if you trust his predictive powers then he should be ok.
i'd be flabbergasted if he winsa now that it's going ahead, myself. but i'm also confused as to why anyone would want to lead FF into this election if they could take over a newly-decimated party afterwards, which is a much stronger starting point in terms of centralising power for a new leader imo.
― all i gotta do is akh nachivly (darraghmac), Monday, 17 January 2011 01:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
I reckon the instinct in FF after the election will be to do what the Tories did with Hague and skip to someone untainted by office and young enough to start on the road back. Like Hague, whoever it is could end up never being PM/ Taoiseach. FF's Cameron may still be in school.
― sonofstan, Monday, 17 January 2011 10:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
well they'll have plenty of new blood running in this next one, but as to how many of them get in....
hanafin and martin prob the best of the likely candidates, but it's looking like cowen stays. which is mindboggling but there you are. the interests of the country that matter win again
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 03:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
lol u fucking cunts lol.
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 21:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 22:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
rmflo
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 22:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
lol no shit assholes!
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 22:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
sup cowen. sup
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 22:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
― all i gotta do is akh nachivly (darraghmac), Friday, January 14, 2011
labour got 20% in '92, even tho they went into power with ff with it that was a decisive break with the civil war - it's been all personalities & local machinery since then
― zvookster, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 22:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
labour should poll close to twice that this time. Disagree that at a local td level it's not party choice, it is for a large % of the voters out there
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 22:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
also lol
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 22:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
i guess i'm putting party choice down to local machinery
― zvookster, Tuesday, 18 January 2011 22:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah, maybe. I dont know what the difference btwn the two could be.
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Tuesday, 18 January 2011 22:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
― Dance the Bot! (seandalai), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 10:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
i'll....get....youuuu..yettttttttttttt...potttterrrrr
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 23:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
on like donkey kong
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Thursday, 20 January 2011 14:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
ff ministerial resignations since leadership heave-
Martin, foreign affairs - decent skin, failed leadership bidO'keeffe - education - cunt, retiringHarney - health - not the worst, retiringD ahern - justice- one of the brightest imo, also cunt, retiringDempsey - transport - clown, retiringKilleen - defence - meh no idea tbh, retiring?
Prospective FF leaders after election-
Cowen, incumbent- not much good to anyone. Cunt when pushed.
Lenihan- cunt cunt cunt. Damaged by fence-straddling on leadership heaveHanafin- i like hanafin a lotMartin- like this dude too, but probably moved too soon for the gig, tough to run again after.
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Thursday, 20 January 2011 14:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
Martin would be the best imo.
Is there a chance Hanafin could lose her seat? Dun Laoghaire is about the worst place to be banking on entrenched traditional FF voters. FG and Labour obviously get one seat each, possibly two each (Labour seem v. confident), Richard Boyd Barrett just missed out last time and will probably soak up a lot of disenchanted Green voters. That could leave three sitting TDs out of the running, or at best squabbling over the last seat.
― Can your monkey do the Bot? (seandalai), Thursday, 20 January 2011 15:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
Though to be fair 20,000 people gave FF their #1 vote in 2007, it's hard to see how they can fail to elect at least one TD. Still, if they don't make quota early on Hanafin and Andrews will be in for a long night.
― Can your monkey do the Bot? (seandalai), Thursday, 20 January 2011 15:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
it sounds like a free-for-all in that partic constituency, you wouldnt really know how it would go.
Mayo-wise, one ff in the shape of calleary is safe enough, looking at three fg one labour after that, depending on the runners
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Thursday, 20 January 2011 15:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
Looking forward to this election from a pure entertainment view.
― Can your monkey do the Bot? (seandalai), Thursday, 20 January 2011 15:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
as always, tbh.
But this time there's the edge of plenty of new entrants and huge shifts in vote share so yeah, cant wait
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Thursday, 20 January 2011 16:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
rte dail tracker on the site is the bomb today
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Thursday, 20 January 2011 16:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
lol this is all p crazy imo
― plax (ico), Thursday, 20 January 2011 18:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
Department of Justice & Law Reform: Brendan Smith
albert won't be happy at this
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 20 January 2011 18:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
1718 An extraordinary day in Irish politics has seen both Fine Fael and Labour again accuse Brian Cowen of mishandling recent events and lackingauthority.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 20 January 2011 18:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
About 464 results (0.29 seconds)
― zvookster, Thursday, 20 January 2011 18:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
honest mistake
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Thursday, 20 January 2011 19:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
this shit is pretty farcical tbh...like, wtf is cowen doing, he is embarrassing himself. just go.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Thursday, 20 January 2011 19:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
11 march is one day longer than would make him shortest serving taoiseach ever btw
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Thursday, 20 January 2011 19:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
r u sure thats true?
― plax (ico), Thursday, 20 January 2011 21:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
neway boot them out
― plax (ico), Thursday, 20 January 2011 21:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
no but it's a peach rumour dontya think
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Thursday, 20 January 2011 22:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
ive realised that my dad a. is still into FF and b. makes up random facts when you argue w/ him abt politics. ive been googling his bs lately.
― plax (ico), Thursday, 20 January 2011 23:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
FF will always get at least 25%, regardless of dead girls/live boys/shit economies.
― Can your monkey do the Bot? (seandalai), Friday, 21 January 2011 01:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
they'll never get 25%
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Friday, 21 January 2011 10:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
Dunno, I really can't see FF going below 20% in any case - too many party loyalists out there.
― Can your monkey do the Bot? (seandalai), Friday, 21 January 2011 11:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
depends on if cowen stays. Far too divisive a figure now for all FF camp to vote with him in charge.
They'll realise that themselves in time, though.
If he stays they'll fall below 20% mark, under say hanafin or similar they'll struggle to beat 23% i think.
Hanafin took a short term hit this week, but her advice to cowen and handling of the week as a whole has been spot on. Martin not as damaged now as he would have been had biffo not let a narrow vote victory go to his head like that.
Big loser is lenihan imo.
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Friday, 21 January 2011 11:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
boils down to the ratio of ff diehards (dwindling) * ratio of cowen diehards in that group (evaporating)
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Friday, 21 January 2011 11:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
sf to be senior opposition party.
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Friday, 21 January 2011 11:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, that would be really interesting...
― Can your monkey do the Bot? (seandalai), Friday, 21 January 2011 18:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
!!!!
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Sunday, 23 January 2011 21:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
omg!!!
― plax (ico), Sunday, 23 January 2011 22:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
btw how can the taoiseach just *decide* hes not gonna budge, i just dont get it.
― plax (ico), Sunday, 23 January 2011 22:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
from the position of taoiseach? He needs to lose a specific vote of confidence in the dail on the issue i think. Basically what labour and fg are calling for tuesday.
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Sunday, 23 January 2011 22:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
but they may not, it seems. It's getting cloudy on what they'll accept in return for an early election. It's cloudy whether they even want to have any part of the finance bill, it might be handier for them to have it as a ff-only document for political reasons, but that cant happen without someone else's support in the dail. Tricky.
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Sunday, 23 January 2011 22:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
gilmore said he wants the dail dissolved by the end of the week
― plax (ico), Sunday, 23 January 2011 23:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
finance bill for friday, i think. If the various finance spokespeople cant come to broad agreement tomorrow with a view to that happening.
Lenihan just called a spoofer to his face on rte1 YOMP
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Sunday, 23 January 2011 23:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
this pic is crackin me up right now
― zvookster, Monday, 24 January 2011 05:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
he's looked weird this week, is there some comedy/cartoon bird or something?
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Monday, 24 January 2011 05:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Monday, 24 January 2011 05:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
― zvookster, Monday, 24 January 2011 05:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
ff front bench
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Monday, 24 January 2011 05:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
So there's an election in about a month and FF won't have a new leader for a while? Yikes.
― Can your monkey do the Bot? (seandalai), Monday, 24 January 2011 12:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
I think that photo reminded me of the white fellow here:
― Tim, Monday, 24 January 2011 12:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
givin me kindof a chicken boo vibe
― plax (ico), Monday, 24 January 2011 12:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
not to be racist or pointing fingers necessarily but why is the white fellow not questioning the missing egg????
― zvookster, Monday, 24 January 2011 13:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
ok i am kinda prejudging this, bc he looks guilty as fuck, let's be real
― zvookster, Monday, 24 January 2011 13:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
What with his suspiciously egg-shaped beak you mean? I dunno. (xpost)
― Tim, Monday, 24 January 2011 13:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
possibly he is the egg, and has just crudely fashioned a beak out of some shell, i mean they're only birds he has to fool and not partic smart ones by the look of it
― zvookster, Monday, 24 January 2011 13:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
is this like a metaphor
― plax (ico), Monday, 24 January 2011 13:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
not to my knowledge
― zvookster, Monday, 24 January 2011 13:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
guys if you want to derail a thread with random unfunny interjection we already have excelsior.
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Monday, 24 January 2011 13:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
-_-
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Monday, 24 January 2011 13:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
eh, jays, that wasnt 100% in earnest youse clowns
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Monday, 24 January 2011 14:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
what percent was it?
― zvookster, Monday, 24 January 2011 14:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
you grill like miriam
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Monday, 24 January 2011 14:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
let's console ourselves with this fine piece of art, celebrating everything that's good about being irish.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Monday, 24 January 2011 14:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
what in the actual fuck
― plax (ico), Monday, 24 January 2011 15:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
man i hate surfing on my phone i miss all the craic
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Monday, 24 January 2011 15:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
Again, as i said earlier the only ones who are bitching about this song are cultural racists from Ireland who are having a piss fest over the fucking IRA pin, no one gives a fuck. It's not a fucking political statement. You Ireland born people are fucking lame all you do is go around and look for Irish Americans on youtube and put them down. This is why no one takes you seriously you are all about as smart as fucking rocks. Stupid cunts.PWDforlifebrah 21 hours agoPWDforlifebrah 21 hours ago
― Can your monkey do the Bot? (seandalai), Monday, 24 January 2011 15:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
all true imo
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Monday, 24 January 2011 15:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
tell yis what, it is hard to live up to the expectations of irish americans on youtube in general ime
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Monday, 24 January 2011 15:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
lmao feelin this heavily
― zvookster, Monday, 24 January 2011 15:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
green white ornge
stylophone breakdown
― zvookster, Monday, 24 January 2011 15:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
a+ wld never watch again
You guys know this is gonna place in the ILM tracks poll, right?
― Can your monkey do the Bot? (seandalai), Monday, 24 January 2011 15:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
don't be silly nothing irish-american cld ever be connected with electoral fraud
― zvookster, Monday, 24 January 2011 15:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
Just sayin, we got about 20 ballots from ILXors with names like "MackleMore1111" and "MackleMore3142".
― Can your monkey do the Bot? (seandalai), Monday, 24 January 2011 15:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
I figured they were just lurkers.
― Can your monkey do the Bot? (seandalai), Monday, 24 January 2011 15:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
they've agreed on the bill/schedule. surprised at that tbh
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Monday, 24 January 2011 22:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
oh yeah, we are having an election.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 16:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
Eurosong 2011 is on Friday!
― Daithi Lacha Flame (seandalai), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 16:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
Not being in the country, I don't have a good read on what's going on apart from the general narrative that FG > Labour >>>>> FF. Did anyone watch the debate?
― Daithi Lacha Flame (seandalai), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 16:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
i watched gilmore v. martin for a while before turning to the ireland wales friendly. martin's way better than gilmore on tv if u don't h8 his guts already. was a good bit when gilmore was all "lol u created the hse" & martin was all "why u always talk abt the past?". i doubt gilmore picked up a single vote from the debate tho.
― zvookster, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 20:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
have delighted in missing these shambolic debates
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 00:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
laour and FG should have thrashed out a joint manifesto three months ago. this last-minute jostling for position based on fucking red c polls is unseemly, distracting and manna from heaven for the all-new FF
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 00:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
I don't think putative coalition parties in Ireland have ever gone into an election with an agreed manifesto.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 10:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
They sorta did last time (Rabbitte and Kenny's Mullingar Accord)
― sonofstan, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 10:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
there would have been a lot of advantages to it this time round
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 11:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
Any noteworthy election posters doing the rounds? With all the independents running this time, I'm hoping for more of the calibre of this 2007 champion:
― Pisle of dogs (seandalai), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 12:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
sf dude in limerick misspells consensus fwiw
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 12:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
my election picture album: http://www.flickr.com/photos/inuitmonster/sets/72157625848744561/
― The New Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 12:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
election poster album. duh.
see also: http://www.flickr.com/groups/irishelection/pool/
― The New Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 13:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
what do ppl think- is there now any way to remove or radically downgrade the toxic bank guarantee, or is our only opton a renegotiation of terms of repayment?
It strikes me as insane that the state has taken on these liabiities, but has anyone put forward a coherent plan of how the removal of the guarantee could be viable 'going fwd'f
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 14:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
I think there should be some kind of discussion about what the costs of letting the banking system collapse would have been - how paralysing of the economy, how long to get over that paralysis and so on. If you start thinking like that you can start heading towards quantifying those costs, which brings you to the stage where you can say "well, the cost of guaranteeing the banks is enormous, but it is less than letting them fail", or vice versa.
To be honest, this should really have been done before the bank guarantee scheme (or the world's cheapest bailout, as Lenihan called it) was implemented.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 14:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
he'll never budge on insisting that it needed to be put in place in full, there and then. Quite what he spent the interim between that and renewal doing is a mystery.
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 15:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
From David McWilliams' recent book, Follow The Money: The Tale of the Merchant of Ennis, we learn that Lenihan, a lawyer by training, received his first lessons in banking and finance at McWilliams' kitchen table - on the 17th of September 2008.
Before that, McWilliams tells us, Lenihan had learned everything he knew about finance from a biography of Alan Greenspan(!) that he had picked up over the summer. We learn that Lenihan had no idea that Irish banks were in trouble until after the failure of Lehman Brothers just two days before.
Less than two weeks after that late-night cram session at McWilliams' kitchen table, Ireland announced to the world that it would fully guarantee its banks liabilities -- for both depositors and bondholders.
We now know that this hasty decision would lead to national bankruptcy and the specter of sovereign default. But at the time, Lenihan -- not unlike a number of other clueless politicians scattered throughout the formerly industrialized world -- was only following the advice being offered by the "experts" who surrounded him. Shockingly, among those "experts" were none other than a team of advisors from Merrill Lynch.
Turns out that a week after the Finance Minister's introduction to basic finance, the Irish government paid Merrill Lynch $10M for a seven-page report that told them:
* "All of the Irish banks are profitable and well capitalised.”
― the philosopher named after a whiskey (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 15:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
Lenihan is one of the best-respected members of the outgoing government btw. FF are basically the opposite of technocrats.
― Pisle of dogs (seandalai), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 15:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
Nakhchivan - I am pleased to hear that it was bozo private sector consultants who supplied this bad advice.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 16:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
ALthough presumably they are the kind of people that Fine Gael will soon be appointing to head the new Dept of Finance.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 15 February 2011 16:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
dont believe but maybe a tenth of that. Mcwilliams is an arse.
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 16:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
ff mo was to outsource all decisions and therefore political responsibility.
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 16:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
lol @ dave "yah sure"
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 13:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
Can't afford to come home to vote, tho can't really see what merit it'd have.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 14:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
i'll vote for the best independent, labour, fg candidates i have to choose from locally, in that order
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 14:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
the most o_o thing abt that quote yesterday was the $9m paid to merrill lynch for a shoddy nine page term paper of panglossian wishful thinking
― nulty dread (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 17:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
i mean ilx could have done that for £50 to the server fund
that is not o_o to anyone even slightly intimate with the governmental culture of the past fifteen years.
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 17:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
the multimillion reports were then shitcanned or brought out as gospel depending on political convenience. The knowledge economy how are ya
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 17:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
oh i don't claim any such knowledge obv xp
but for the desensitized, i can say that is a particularly terrible and stupid and unforgiveable example of corruption/stupidity/etc
― nulty dread (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 17:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
mayo prediction, fwiw:
3 fg, 1 ff, last seat btwn fg, lab, ind
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 17:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
thats proporsh rep rite
wher do the fine fael ppl in mayo live
― nulty dread (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 17:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
Not entirely informed Wicklow prediction: 3fg, 1lab, 1ind (ex-ff), "Jaws" Roche retires on a ministerial pension.
― Pisle of dogs (seandalai), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 17:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
the ff ppl in mayo live all over the county, and will be enough to get their man home.
If i detest anything more than ff, it's cute hoor ex-ff defector inds
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 17:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
He has served since then as an independent TD, and has voted for and against the government, based on his assessment of where he believed the public interest was being served whether it would help his reelection prospects.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Behan
To be fair, Michael Martin should be surreptitously encouraging his people to go "independent" and rejoin the party when they scrape into the Dail.
― Pisle of dogs (seandalai), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 17:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
yep, a good ff stroke that would be.
Is there anything to prevent it, i wonder? Prob not.
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 17:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
have asked before, but is anyone aware of a site/resource that records td voting records.
Given that it's their actual function, it's really a hugely underreported aspect of their activities.
Course, party politics renders each vote in the dail pretty irrelevant anyway.
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 17:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
fuck, i meant to ask where do the fine gael ppl live, obv the ff ppl are everywhere like nitrogen or dogs
― nulty dread (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 17:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
fine gael live around the ffailers, but in smaller houses and are envious of their good teeth
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Wednesday, 16 February 2011 18:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
cant vote
― plax (ico), Thursday, 17 February 2011 03:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
THE PILL, I ASK YA. THE FECKIN PILL MIND
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Thursday, 17 February 2011 16:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
not all bad news on the economy front. hopefully a bit more of this in the next 12 months, tho a lot depends on how the new govt handle the property/mortgages question
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0217/breaking27.html
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Thursday, 17 February 2011 23:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Monday, 21 February 2011 20:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
soooo
how ye votin ye cute hoors
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
kinda surprised to hear i have no right to vote...i guess a line would have to be drawn with ex pats somewhere but plenty people of my age might want to vote based on their chances of ever being able to live in ireland again or bring up kids there.
but sorry, that's a tangent...
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
is it feck a tangent, it's a fuckin disgrace tbh
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
disenfranchise those that are gone abroad, disenfranchise a significant proportion of those that are here so that they have to go abroad, what's the fuckin point/benefit of that?
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
i had thought people coming home to vote was a thing...has this always been the case? seems a bit fucking dense, as i say, i don't even know if i'd ever want to live back home except during all this at some point the thought struck me "fuck if i have kids the current state of ireland means it's massively unlikely they'll grow up in ireland," and despite the fact i take the piss out of the country i suppose i had some notion that i might be able to go back.
that plus, paid taxes there for 7/8 years.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
WTF
http://www.finegael2011.com/game/
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
when are we gonna be able to vote with an internet password?
when that happens, we'll be able to bypass these killinascully motherfuckers altogether
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
lol wtf is that
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
what are they thinking...
lost my third life trying to jump joan burton btw
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
her nasal siren song saw me crash against the rocks of her craggy oratory
THA PEKKKKKKPLE OF DIIIIIIIIS CCCCCCCCOOOOOOOOOOUUUNTTTTTRYYYYYYYYYY
jesus.
i found some site that takes your answers to a couple stock questions and tells you what party you're closest in policy too. i am 'hardcore labour', but she terrifies me as part of any potential govt.
was also 'strongly sf' fwiw. news to me, prob based on a fiersh opposition to the IMF deal.
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
i fucking can't stand her. she can't speak, it really offends me when politicians are crap speakers. her post budget speech was horrendous, reading awful "jibes" off notes and pausing midway through in befuddlement at her own lines.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
can only see her and ring scrapping it out for a social protection sub-ministry, tho i've a feeling that labour be looking for er to get a decent front bench position
labour's best performers really are quinn and rabbitte though, gilmore and burton always strike me as the league cup front two while the two stars watch from the sidelines, hoping they don't have to come on to recover a fuckup at halftime
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
loking more and more likely that FG get 4/5 in mayo, btw, tho it seems to me that the last seat could go any way really. FG (Mulherin)/IND (Kilcoyne)/LAB (Cowley) and maybe even the SF lead candidate (Conway-Walsh) could surprise on transfers.
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
yah p much all my friends have left by now and are royally pissed off to realise that they have no vote anywhere now
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 17:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
dont worry they'll get their own david mcfuckingwilliams subcategory out of it sher
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 17:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
great
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 17:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
I love how people are surprised to discover that you cannot vote if you are not resident in Ireland. It brings me back to the early 1990s when people were always going on about this. Next thing we will be having Larks in the Park and having remakes of the Commitments.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 18:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
Who's on for Feile?
I happened to be home for the last election, didn't really consider it this time though.
― Pisle of dogs (seandalai), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 18:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
we'll soon be back to the three bed semi for forty grand too, fwiw
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 18:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
strong zing
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0223/breaking36.html
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Wednesday, 23 February 2011 21:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
Anyone willing to predict a result? Consensus seems to be FG not quite at a majority, but as in the last UK election it all depends on how close they can get. I expect the FF vote to be higher than the polls suggest.
― oigwheoiqng4g (seandalai), Friday, 25 February 2011 15:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
Everyone is suspecting that the FF vote will be higher than polls suggest, but I have started wondering if this is just because people cannot get their heads around the idea of a once dominant party being completely flattened.
for what its worth I elsewhere posted this prediction yesterday*: http://westerneyes.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=22#p207 I am starting to think that FG will get more and FF less, but only because one of my brainy election obsessed friends has said so.
*note subtle plug for new internet message board
― The New Dirty Vicar, Friday, 25 February 2011 15:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
If Ming the Merciless does indeed get elected I'll laugh heartily.
― oigwheoiqng4g (seandalai), Friday, 25 February 2011 16:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
maniacally would be more appropriate.
I'm in agreement abt FF- I've the gut feeling they'll be higher than all evidence suggests. But to estimate seats, impossible really.
Hoping FG need LAB. I think it's the likeliest outcome.
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Friday, 25 February 2011 16:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
Also think FG/LAB is most likely but I think on balance I would actually prefer FG-only (with or without gene pool independents).
Don't think Labour in govt will make any significant difference in terms of policy - it's CON/DEM all over again except without so many clear manifesto promises to renege on (although mind you I'd put money on a reversal of the minimum wage cut as a pre-condition for Labour entering govt.) Plus Labour would be the biggest party in opposition and for the 1st time ever we'd have something like a right/left split in the Dail.
PLUS, presumably the next govt is going to oversee swingeing cuts, continued recession and eventual default on the deal and consequent humiliation. Why not let FG take those hits?
Ain't gonna happen but I'm just musing here.
― Volvo Twilight (p-dog), Friday, 25 February 2011 19:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
d'you know, if we look at it from the point of view of who'll actually do what after the election, there's nothin to look fwd to in any outcome. As well to let ff stay in power, except that their priority continues to be the protection of the failed investor classes.
Sf getting in and vetoing the imf deal is the only vaguely interesting, if purely theoretical, govt manifesto.
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Friday, 25 February 2011 19:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
xp - It's not quite CON/DEM redux in the sense that Labour are to the left of the Lib Dem leadership and presumably wouldn't be so happy to go along with FG's austerity mania.
― oigwheoiqng4g (seandalai), Friday, 25 February 2011 19:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
not sure that austerity is negotiable, given the parameters.
Lucinda creighton, eh?
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Friday, 25 February 2011 19:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
yah seems like labour as strong opposition leaders could really establish themselves instead of just being fgs scapegoats for a couple years
― plax (ico), Saturday, 26 February 2011 01:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
Exit poll:
According to the poll, Fine Gael is on 36.1 per cent, Labour is on 20.5 per cent, Fianna Fáil has slumped to 15.1 per cent, Sinn Féin is on 10.1 per cent, the Green Party were on 2.7 per cent and Independents and Others were on 15.5 per cent. The poll of 3,500 voters was carried out yesterday. The margin of error was 2.5 per cent.
Looks like FG/Lab coalition is the outcome.
― oigwheoiqng4g (seandalai), Saturday, 26 February 2011 13:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
Twitter is really struggling with this...
― Volvo Twilight (p-dog), Saturday, 26 February 2011 15:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
Ming is going to be elected!
Some classic posters from his pre-makeover heyday:
http://www.roscommonhistory.ie/Misc/PoliticalEphemera/mingflanagan/posters/mingposters.htm
― oigwheoiqng4g (seandalai), Saturday, 26 February 2011 16:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
A great political dynasty:
― oigwheoiqng4g (seandalai), Sunday, 27 February 2011 17:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
God bless all here
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Sunday, 27 February 2011 21:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
A grand night
A grand night indeed
fucking hell...ming.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Sunday, 27 February 2011 21:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
The partiless
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Monday, 28 February 2011 00:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
Are you now laughing in an evil and maniacal way?
― The New Dirty Vicar, Monday, 28 February 2011 14:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Yes.
In case anyone has an hour or two to spare, a documentary on the great man:
― oigwheoiqng4g (seandalai), Monday, 28 February 2011 14:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
lol recounts...good to see my home county of Wicklow getting in on the game.
― oigwheoiqng4g (seandalai), Monday, 28 February 2011 19:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
dick roche isnt bitter
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 13:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
The last minute of this is my favourite election-related thing ever:
― oigwheoiqng4g (seandalai), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 13:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 23:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
what about this catalogue of 'distressed properties' then?
Any pref on whether lab do the right thing and lead a true opposition (and kill civil war politics) or sell out for meagre power and the right to get blame for it all in three years?
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Friday, 4 March 2011 16:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
Or they attempt to actually do something about this country's problems rather than just sit on the opposition benches looking disappointed.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Friday, 4 March 2011 17:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
well yes i was framing it rather narrowly i admit.
Any govt that won't reconsider the bank guarantee can't really 'do' anything about the next 7 years, though?
Simplistic, i'm sure, but i'm only trying to initiate discussion here.
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Friday, 4 March 2011 17:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
don't see any facial reaction in that vid of noonan? keeping in mind i know the man...
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Friday, 4 March 2011 17:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
ah cmon there's a twitch
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Friday, 4 March 2011 17:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
at what precise second?! he has quite a serious face if he's not smiling, family trait.
― I see what this is (Local Garda), Friday, 4 March 2011 17:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
its more about him looking around like that, its in his eyes
― plax (ico), Saturday, 5 March 2011 02:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
well this is great craic. It's like the first day of second year so tis.
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Wednesday, 9 March 2011 12:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
hup mayo
Enda kenny elected by the largest majority ever
Looks like ministerial roles will be heavily weighted towards dublin/east which, frankly, disappoints
At least ring is going to lose out. He's an odious little fucker.
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Wednesday, 9 March 2011 14:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
what does the ILX jury think of politicians who begin every speech with cupla focal as Gaeilge?
― The New Dirty Vicar, Thursday, 10 March 2011 15:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
Don't mind, unless it's Gerry, because his Irish is atrocious - bet no one can ever tell him though.
Oldest cabinet ever, and oldest collection of party leaders in Europe, probably - compare Kenny (60), Gilmore (56), Adams (62) and Martin (late 40s) to the sprightly Cameron, Clegg and Miliband youthquake.
― I'm Street but I Know my Roots (sonofstan), Thursday, 10 March 2011 15:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
Well I hate young people, so this at least is good news.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Thursday, 10 March 2011 15:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
with dv there.
I have more faith in the leaders we have than the youthfront in the uk.
Delighted that quinn got a cabinet position.
Am i wrong to have been disappointed with the geographical spread of the cabinet? Not that i'm complaining about the lack of m ring mind.
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Thursday, 10 March 2011 15:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
I remember year ago when I did a politics degree, Dr Michael Gallagher was talking about cabinet formation and the criteria for choosing ministers. He mentioned how you might think that competence would be a key factor, but he went on to talk about how "spreading the mercs" is often more important, as people start moaning if there is no minister from their locality. And so they do.
I have a Minister and a Junior in my constituency, so I think the distribution is fine (and largely irrelevant).
― The New Dirty Vicar, Thursday, 10 March 2011 16:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
Quinn thinks it's 'natural' that a woman should be minister for children because women have more experience of children...... showing his age, if nothing else. I bet there's a lot of formerly employed (male) building workers who are experiencing their children a lot at the moment, while their wives cling to their min. wage retail jobs.
Don't understand the respect he commands TBH - Ivan Yates said he was further to the right than most of the FG members of the rainbow cabinet. Re. geography, I don't get it at all, but that's probably the Dub thing: on the RTE Naked Election programme, the Hillery sprog with the outrageous sense of entitlement was told in no uncertain terms by someone in Clare that she wouldn't vote for him because he was a) FF and b) a Dub - yet no one here cares that Joe Costello is from Sligo, Lucinda from Mayo, Gilmore from Galway; as long as they've chosen the metrolops, they're welcome. Come to that, no one even notices that Varadkar is Irish-Indian: bet he wouldn't be elected as easily anywhere outside Dublin. And while we're congratulating ourselves, perhaps we ought to mention two openly gay TDS, elected without a murmur.
― I'm Street but I Know my Roots (sonofstan), Thursday, 10 March 2011 16:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
it's politics, not meritocracy.
I do think they should/could have found someone from the x no of govt td's in the whole of connacht to fit one of the positions, geography is not an irrelevant factor in these things.
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Thursday, 10 March 2011 16:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
Gayness, indianess all admirably not an issue (ennis had an indian td in the dail before last iirc). Getting some clout west and north of the shannon is.
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Thursday, 10 March 2011 16:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
i'm pretty sure that quinn is our outstanding minister for finance of the modern era, as well as being a thoughtful and considered voice on educational issues when i've heard them lately.
Any number of people in the country would share his views on children/women, though it sounds like he was more likely defending his fairly sly gazumping of a decent seat himself? I dunno. Certainly it sounds a clumsy line to come out with, though i'm happier with bruton and even noonan in finance/enterprise than burton
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Thursday, 10 March 2011 16:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
I do think they should/could have found someone from the x no of govt td's in the whole of connacht to fit one of the positions
you are insatiable - Connaught has the Taoiseach and Junior Minister, which probably means it is more than represented at the top table, once its feeble population is taken into account.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Thursday, 10 March 2011 16:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
And while we're congratulating ourselves, perhaps we ought to mention two openly gay TDS, elected without a murmur.
weren't these elected outside Dublin?
i think enda will be very wary of using any pull with the beady eyes of the dub meeja on him.
Population point is a fair one, tho direct comparison w/out taking into account geographical area would be extremely harsh. We dont all want to have the metro outside the door, tho the odd bus would be nice
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Thursday, 10 March 2011 17:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
wtf exceptional lending from central bank to six main banks exloded last month?
Anyone with info on this?
― Achillean Heel (darraghmac), Friday, 11 March 2011 18:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
moriarty!
― the '' key on my keybord is not working (darraghmac), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 00:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
Will there be any fallout from this or is everyone all "lol 1990s"? Can't see this (or anything really) shifting Tipp North's love for the bould Michael Lowry.
― No more war/No more hate/Got my girl swag on/Got my girl swag on (seandalai), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 00:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
fg back in power just in time
obviously, it'd be great to see hefty penalties- the 'lol 90's' reaction would really play into the hands of those who make damn well sure that political wrongdoing gets breathing space of 20 years to lessen the impact when outed.
― the '' key on my keybord is not working (darraghmac), Wednesday, 23 March 2011 00:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0405/1224293869992.html
On tape: transcripts of recording
Excerpt from recording by confiscated video camera in a Garda vehicle on March 31st, 2011, after the arrest of two women at Aughoose for public order-related offences relating to the Corrib gas project.
“Crusty camp” is a reference to the Rossport Solidarity Camp where the two women had been staying.
Garda A: “Who is them two lassies, do you know the two of them?
Garda B: “I don’t know the second one, the first one is (name) with blonde hair.”
Unidentified garda: “She was up on the tractor earlier on.”
Garda A: “It’d do no harm to get the second one’s name again?
Garda B: “She’s some Yank. I don’t know who the f**k she is.”
Unidentified garda : “ Is she a Yank?
Garda B: “It sounds like it, it sounds like it, the accent anyway
Unidentified garda: “Sounds like a Yank or Canadian.”
Garda B: “Well whoever, we’ll get Immigration f**king on her.”
Garda A: “She refused to give her name and address and told she would be arrested.”
Garda B : “.......and deported”
Garda A: “And raped.”
Garda B: “I wouldn’t go that far yet….. She was living down at that crusty camp, f**k sake, you never know what you might get.”
(Laughter)
Garda A: “Give me your name and address or I’ll rape you.”
Unidentified garda: “Hold it there, give me your name and address there, I’ll rape you.”
Garda A : “Or I’ll definitely rape you.”
Unidentified garda: “Will you be me friend on Facebook?”
(Conversation continues about Facebook in Garda station)
Excerpt from video camera recording in which gardaí discuss safety and techniques for arrest at protests.
Garda A on phone to a colleague: “I know we don’t want to be arresting them but by the same token, we were left with no option. We have an issue there as well with the lads in the protest removal team there, of actual climbing the tractors. So what we’re going to do is we’re going to get safety ropes and ladders and we’re going to leave them in the van in case we have to go up on the cab of the tractor again. So we’re looking after that now at the moment.”
Garda A: ends call.
Garda B: “You see (muffled) at least you’re a sergeant, like.”
Garda A: “ (unclear) like some of auld timers who were here in the area in the first and second campaign. I’ll tell you one thing, the decisions that were made (muffled) policing at that time.”
Garda B: I’ll still go back to what says there . . . If someone gets hurt we’re going to be on our own in the blocks.”
Garda A: “. . . I don’t think we’re going to be on our own. If we have exercised due diligence and we have used common sense and used whatever was available to us to remove them. At the end of the day, we have a certain duty of care to them. We ask them to get down, if they don’t get down, we tell them we are taking them down forcefully. We take them down forcefully.
“We use whatever means at our disposal, which includes ladders and ropes or whatever to get them down safely. If one of them slips, so f**kin. What can we do?”
Garda B: “Ladders and ropes. All I’m saying is, the point is (Garda B then simulates court exchange)
‘Garda, are you a member of the protest removal team?’
’I am.’
’Have you received training with working at heights?’
’Yes, I have.’
. . .’How did you train to bring someone down?’
’In a harness with ropes.’”
“We didn’t have any of them options today there . . . That’s all I’m saying. And (named garda) is dead right; if we’re in the box:
’Have you received training on how to take a protester down from heights?’
’Yes’.”
“And if we did it with ropes and harnesses . . . then why did you let my client fall? Did you not go get your ropes and harness to take her down. That’s all.”
Garda A: “. . .To get them down safely we’d have to erect a scaffold tower beside them and abseil them down. And and, the, the, taking the common-sense approach, and a common-sense view, it would be impractical to erect a scaffolding tower to get them down off it. And we use whatever safe means at our disposal, as we considered safe (unclear) protest removal team to take them down, ie, ropes and ladders.”
Unidentified garda: “What was the obstruction?”
Garda B: “There was no obstruction . . .”
Garda A: “They were obstructing the road.”
Garda B: “There was no obstruction . . . The tractors (unclear) all other vehicles were able to get past.”
Garda A: “They were obstructing the road. Excuse me. If a car stops there, in the middle of that f***ing road, and it’s stopped there, it’s obstructing the road. It doesn’t have to be blocking it. If it’s parked there it’s obstructing it.”
Unidentified garda: “Well if nothing else they were obstructing the vehicle.”
Garda B: “That’s the only vehicle obstructed.”
Unidentified garda: “. . . free passage.”
Garda A: “The vehicle was obstructing the road. Just because other vehicles could pass didn’t mean the road wasn’t being obstructed.”
Garda A seems to get out of the car . . .
Garda B: “We all said this, it was a safety issue.”
Unidentified Garda: “It was the best option . It was the best option at that time, there’s no doubt about it.”
Garda B: “We all said it because of a safety issue. There was three up, there was a wind blowing. And like did you f***ing feel safe, 100 per cent safe going up there taking down two people.”
Unidentified garda: “No”.
Garda B: “...I don’t know what you thought?”
Unidentified garda : “All I know is that if something happens, who’s going to stand f***ing behind me.”
Garda B: “And do you honestly think that is going to turn around and say “oh look it”. We got trained a certain way.
’Garda did you f***ing, take a protester down the way you were trained’.
’No I didn’t.’
’Well then Guard.’
“And the job will say were you f***ing trained a certain way. The job will f***ing ditch you.”
(have to lol at Irish Times horrendous headline and total lack of SEO knowledge on this story too..."Transcript of recordings", what a sexy clickable headline.)
― Packie Bonner (Local Garda), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 13:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
wtf lads. Can't believe the lols at rape.
Everything else is probably fair enough, but ffs, there's no getting past it.
― the salmon of procrastination (darraghmac), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 13:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
that's like the sort of shit people unfollow me for when i write it on twitter.com/garda_siochana
tho in truth prob further than i've ever gone.
― Packie Bonner (Local Garda), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 14:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
it's some fuckin jump, even for bad-taste laddish shock humour- lol deporting, ok, i see the link, straight to..... rape? Where does that come from.
― the salmon of procrastination (darraghmac), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 14:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
― Packie Bonner (Local Garda), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 14:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
srsly lol
― The Geirogeirgegege (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 14:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
GARDAI
can you imagine being a gard
― Packie Bonner (Local Garda), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 14:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
i'm sure there are decent gardai...can you imagine being one of them?
― Packie Bonner (Local Garda), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 14:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
It's a long way from The Third Policeman, that's for sure
― Tom D (Tom D.), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 14:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
there's a few alright. But it's hard to say what working in a force with that ethos could do to you over the years too? I dunno.
Workin up at ballinaboy is no picnic for them either, seriously shitty situation and provocation every day.
Doesn't come near excusing that shit.
Even aside from the comments, to record yourself on a camcorder in the back of the car then to present the tape back to shell-to-sea- whats the irish for keystone
― the salmon of procrastination (darraghmac), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 14:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
idk, the weird nonsequiturs are a bit flann o'brienish xp
― The Geirogeirgegege (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 14:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
Actually, you're right there
― Tom D (Tom D.), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 14:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
that was back when my pa was superintendent at clonnacha. he had a big stick and he'd say to us 'go on now, with the facebook'. some days it was cold and we'd have not a bite to eat but he'd say 'there's no finer than a feast'. they didn't have facebook in those days.
― The Geirogeirgegege (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 14:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
― The Geirogeirgegege (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 14:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
I know a guard who has worked at the Corrib protests before. I hope he wasn't one of the guys on tape but i honestly wouldn't put it past him.
― Number None, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 15:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
I have heard that there is a terrifyingly macho and boorish culture among the uniformed rank and file Gardai, and that anyone who is not like that spends all their time trying to get away from them into more specialised work.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 6 April 2011 10:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
good comparison, though I was thinking more of Nigel Tufnell. However, all verbatim transcripts of conversations read like this.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 6 April 2011 10:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
it wouldn't surprise me, x-post, just like, let's face it who knows anyone in the gardai. a friend of a friend is the only person i know who joined, and he used to take drugs etc etc. dunno how it turned out for him.
― Will.Have.Known (Local Garda), Wednesday, 6 April 2011 10:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
hah the guy i used to sniff tippex and drop acid with at uni ended up becoming a cop, must be a thing
― cockroach shakespeare (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 6 April 2011 10:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
Guy i know was far from averse to a bit of casual racism/misogyny
― Number None, Wednesday, 6 April 2011 10:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
ah sure why not sure
― Will.Have.Known (Local Garda), Wednesday, 6 April 2011 10:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
Not him on the tape though so he'll live to fight another day.
― Number None, Wednesday, 6 April 2011 10:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
this is otm. my brother is a detective. hes alright i suppose. although the gardai are one big boys club really.
― Michael B, Wednesday, 6 April 2011 12:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
hard to think of any positive dealings i've had with the gardai...and can think of plenty of negative ones. almost everyone has a bad story to tell.
― Will.Have.Known (Local Garda), Wednesday, 6 April 2011 13:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
this is the only time i ever had a lol with a garda
Horror!
"how close were you to him?"
"i probably pissed on him gard"
― Will.Have.Known (Local Garda), Wednesday, 6 April 2011 13:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
have had plenty of good, one or two bad as a witness
― the salmon of procrastination (darraghmac), Wednesday, 6 April 2011 14:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
big couple of days on the property/nama/banking front
― the salmon of procrastination (darraghmac), Friday, 15 April 2011 14:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
so
Public sector paycutsSemistate and other publicly owned infrasructure to be sold on the cheap.
For what?
The first, well fair enough, it's a separate issue.
But the sale of infrastructural assets to cover private bank losses just bewilders me.
Gonna quit it all and do a thesis on the ramifications of the removal of the bank guarantee vs what we're actually doing.
― i've got blingees on my fisters (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 April 2011 10:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2011/0423/1224295312306.html
you whinging lying whinging motherfucker why are we still being afflicted with your verbs and nouns etc
― i've got blingees on my fisters (darraghmac), Saturday, 23 April 2011 03:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
I'd take his verbs and nouns if we could get rid of everything else he's done.
― Lidl Monsters (seandalai), Saturday, 23 April 2011 10:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
lenihan was forced by minatory leprechauns to give carte blanche to bondholders in the world's worst banks
― Some other race (nakhchivan), Saturday, 23 April 2011 10:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
minortory surely
― i've got blingees on my fisters (darraghmac), Saturday, 23 April 2011 13:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
Real IRA spokesman in 'too fucking thick to memorise a speech' shocker.
― standing on the shoulders of pissants (ledge), Monday, 25 April 2011 22:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
you know those beatles (and millions of other band or 'thing') t-shirts that say "john and paul and ringo and george" etc...
me and my friend have decided to make one that says "charlie and albert and bertie and brian"...mail me for orders.
― Will.Have.Known (Local Garda), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 22:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
See if it's on the list first.
― wmlynch, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 22:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2011/0507/1224296372123.html?via=mr&sms_ss=facebook&at_xt=4dc5462a30b0bbb0%2C0
every time i read kelly now i think of the dude homer replaced in the episode about refuse collection
― socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Saturday, 7 May 2011 13:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
National survival requires that Ireland walk away from the bailout. This in turn requires the Government to do two things: disengage from the banks, and bring its budget into balance immediately.
First the banks. While the ECB does not want to rescue the Irish banks, it cannot let them collapse either and start a wave of panic that sweeps across Europe. So, every time one of you expresses your approval of the Irish banks by moving your savings to a foreign-owned bank, the Irish bank goes and replaces your money with emergency borrowing from the ECB or the Irish Central Bank. Their current borrowings are €160 billion.
The original bailout plan was that the loan portfolios of Irish banks would be sold off to repay these borrowings. However, foreign banks know that many of these loans, mortgages especially, will eventually default, and were not interested. As a result, the ECB finds itself with the Irish banks wedged uncomfortably far up its fundament, and no way of dislodging them.
This allows Ireland to walk away from the banking system by returning the Nama assets to the banks, and withdrawing its promissory notes in the banks. The ECB can then learn the basic economic truth that if you lend €160 billion to insolvent banks backed by an insolvent state, you are no longer a creditor: you are the owner. At some stage the ECB can take out an eraser and, where “Emergency Loan” is written in the accounts of Irish banks, write “Capital” instead. When it chooses to do so is its problem, not ours.
At a stroke, the Irish Government can halve its debt to a survivable €110 billion. The ECB can do nothing to the Irish banks in retaliation without triggering a catastrophic panic in Spain and across the rest of Europe. The only way Europe can respond is by cutting off funding to the Irish Government.
for a dude that was told to go commit suicide, he seems to have abit of fight in him yet imo
― socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Saturday, 7 May 2011 13:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
brilliant article. unfortunately the catty comments make it easy for yr average Irish political hack on politics.ie or twitter to ignore the substance, but there's some great turns of phrase in there imo, especially this:"Back when the euro was being planned in the mid-1990s, it never occurred to anyone that cautious, stodgy banks like AIB and Bank of Ireland, run by faintly dim former rugby players, could ever borrow tens of billions overseas, and lose it all on dodgy property loans."
― Volvo Twilight (p-dog), Saturday, 7 May 2011 15:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
last part of it never occurred to anyone tbf
― socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Monday, 9 May 2011 02:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
1000 messages to get from ff re-elected to here.
160 million euros per message, that
― socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Monday, 9 May 2011 02:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
fuckin terrible
i imagine kelly is being a /little/ glib, but the pretence of sustainability has been the worst thing about the irish recession / debt crisis from the start, and i think he's probably pretty close to the truth
― no xmas for jonchaies (nakhchivan), Monday, 9 May 2011 02:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
he's close enough, alright, but his proposed solution is definitely just trash talk at this stage.
His last few articles offered no solutions at all, and were duly criticised on that score, so he prob just tacked this one on as a 'fuck you eat this for a solution'
― socks & pwns may break my bwns (darraghmac), Monday, 9 May 2011 02:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0516/1224297038705.html
at what stage does this stuff become too much? i'm not against the queen's visit, but i've a few friends work in abbey st/parnell st area and this shit's been unbearable for the past few days.
i can't offer an alternative or anything, mind.
― Britain, the 51sb State (darraghmac), Monday, 16 May 2011 15:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
i'm against it, not from a "800 years ah for god's sake" viewpoint but I just don't see what point we have in inviting that fat spoiled robot to our country. Waste of time and money, nobody is pleased about it are they?
― Phelan Nulty (Local Garda), Monday, 16 May 2011 15:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
heh plenty of them from your neck of the woods are standing to attention, if the IT letters page etc are any read on it.
but i agree with your first sentiment. if it's that big a deal as necessitates all of the furore for ordinary people, then it's by default 'too soon'.
i had the same feelings on GWB's visit a few years back, closing down the fucking midlands for that cunt to get a few photo ops, ugh
― Britain, the 51sb State (darraghmac), Monday, 16 May 2011 15:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
God bless em, they do a great job.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Monday, 16 May 2011 15:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
the royals, the gardai (local or otherwise) or sinn feiners?
― Britain, the 51sb State (darraghmac), Monday, 16 May 2011 15:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
To be honest, I was just referencing a Viz comic t-shirt, which had that caption and a picture of the Royal Family.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Monday, 16 May 2011 16:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
are there irish people who are enthused about this? wtf?
― Michael B, Monday, 16 May 2011 16:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
i'd figured summat like that alright
― Britain, the 51sb State (darraghmac), Monday, 16 May 2011 16:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
michael
― Britain, the 51sb State (darraghmac), Monday, 16 May 2011 16:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
dont want to get all Ding Dong Denny O´Reilly but I did cringe when I heard that she is going to be visiting Croke Park
― Michael B, Monday, 16 May 2011 16:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah i think a lot of ppl would be quicker to question/criticise this whole thing but for fear of being lumped in with 'that lot'
― Britain, the 51sb State (darraghmac), Monday, 16 May 2011 16:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah i feel fairly strongly "fuck off" about this. people need to start hating the queen for being a freak who has never buttered a slice of toast, if not for irish republican reasons. detest the lot of them.
― Phelan Nulty (Local Garda), Monday, 16 May 2011 22:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
The monarchy's clearly a wholly unjustifiable institution but this trip has been arranged for symbolic reasons and the Queen coming over is going to have much more of an impact than David Cameron would. I guess that, at a time of rising Republican activity, the visit has been calculated to show the lunatic fringe that the rest of Ireland has moved on.
That magnanimity has to be reciprocated with something close to remorse though. I haven't seen much RTE in the last couple of days but the talk in the UK has all been of how Ireland's going to respond to her being there, not how the Queen's going to respond to being in Ireland. The Garden of Remebrance and Croke Park will give her an opportunity to address some of the things that have been done in her family's name - any significance of the trip is going to depend on whether she takes that opportunity.
― I LOVE BELARUS (ShariVari), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 07:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
is it very wrong of me to give a little lol when they found that bomb this morning
― taking ilxers out with a flurry of butthurt (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 07:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
jesus, i dunno would it be wise for herself to get into history/politics, tbh.
Watershed moment has already occurred there, she won't top cameron after the bloody sunday report, and the govt bears more responsibility for anything done in the past 100 years anyway
Bomb details?
― Britain, the 51sb State (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 07:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/state-visits/viable-device-found-in-bus-as-gardai-on-high-alert-for-threats-2648563.html
― taking ilxers out with a flurry of butthurt (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 07:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
a lot of people like to portray the monarchy as outside of politics now but it's still fully implicated in the policy and governance of the UK imo
― taking ilxers out with a flurry of butthurt (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 07:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
ya but you're a flaming nutjob iirc
― Britain, the 51sb State (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 08:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
well yeah
― taking ilxers out with a flurry of butthurt (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 08:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
http://cockroachbritainscockroachnews.wordpress.com/2011/04/06/learn-irish-and-stop-speaking-nazi-english-and-stinklish/
― no xmas for jonchaies (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 08:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
implication etc yeah, but realistically how much steering can the royals do or did they do wrt the irish question?
iirc my leavin cert history twas yer gladstones etc did all the running from 1870 onwards, which is when our curriculum started anyway.
I dunno had we any dealings with ye at all before that tbh
― Britain, the 51sb State (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 08:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
they have no discernable influence themselves, but they are employed in a tactical/polemical fashion when on their quadi-diplomatic gladhanding trips
― no xmas for jonchaies (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 08:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
i mean obv we fell out with ye over land in the 1600's but we're irish, you're the neighbours, it's what we do isnt it
― Britain, the 51sb State (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 08:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
ya i mean it's not like there was any enmity
― no xmas for jonchaies (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 08:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
wtf of course there was jesus
Just no more than usual
― Britain, the 51sb State (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 08:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
how are your neighbours atm anyway?
― no xmas for jonchaies (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 08:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
sending yr landlady round 400 years later is a bit petty tho imo
― Britain, the 51sb State (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 08:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
they are absentee tenants atm, which is a new twist on an old favourite
― Britain, the 51sb State (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 08:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
triffic bunch of lads
― no xmas for jonchaies (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 08:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
he showed up in a taxi for five mins yesterday after not being seen for a fortnight. I asked him for further info but it wasnt forthcoming i dunno
― Britain, the 51sb State (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 08:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
well, i stuck my head out the window and roared 'what the fuck you doin back?' but still
― Britain, the 51sb State (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 08:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
can we turn this into a discussion of neighbours?
above: mark, tottenham hotspur fan, have fairly stilted discussions often, nice to know a neighbour i guess, a DECENT GUY. attractive gf.
below right: angry man who you hear roaring at wife and later praying/chanting. unpleasant, doesn't say hello.
below left: somalian man who works in dry cleaner locally, friendly.
adjacent: swedish girl and rotating cast of flatmates, she is friendly. flatmates frequently hot.
above left: the queen of england. annoying. away a lot though. flatmates frequently ugly.
― Phelan Nulty (Local Garda), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 08:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
― Britain, the 51sb State (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 08:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
it's weird being here in dublin while the queen is visiting, we're staying downtown and we were told that there would be all these cops everywhere and checkpoints and blah blah blah
so far no queen at the paramount hotel breakfast bar tho
― the tune is space, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 08:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
i feel yr implicit criticism of thread drift is unfair however, my neighbour situation not only parallels the uk question rather neatly, it also raises questions on the property market, encapsulates the breakdown in social order as a result of the tiger's demise, definitely ropes in the question of what to do with the lower orders, etc
― Britain, the 51sb State (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 08:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
nah i wasn't criticising, genuinely wanted a neighbour discussion.
x-post you're in dublin? cool...say hello to everyone i know.
― Phelan Nulty (Local Garda), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 08:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
cead mile failte dr3w i'm sure
Ur a bitter little man local garda, and i'm not gonna talk to yeuh if ah dint want teuh
― Britain, the 51sb State (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 08:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
i was serious!
― Phelan Nulty (Local Garda), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 08:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
well can you post some pics of yr neighbours pls, as a gesture of good faith
― Britain, the 51sb State (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 08:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
the swedish ones obviously
― Britain, the 51sb State (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 08:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
don't have any...the really beautiful one doesn't live there anymore. had to destroy the photos of her after that.
― Phelan Nulty (Local Garda), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 08:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
that's fair enough i suppose. I suppose.
― Britain, the 51sb State (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 09:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
nuthin on yerman mark's girlfriend i take it?
cmere now this is nonsense and it'll stop
How are fg doing at all at all? When are they going to hammer the public sector like needs doing? Will they sort out the banks will they?
― Britain, the 51sb State (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 09:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
no the girl who lived adjacent was like a film star, every hello was like winning the lottery on a sunny day. neighbour above's gf is v pretty. i'm conscious i sound like a man who drills holes in the roof/walls now. i do not do this.
x-post is tide already turned against new gov? i've seen some rumblings but obv only reading certain things...
― Phelan Nulty (Local Garda), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 09:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
nah there's been a lull, they got a good honeymoon period in fairness.
It's prob about time things got hairy for them though, they've a couple of shifts put in at this stage.
― Britain, the 51sb State (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 09:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
I was a bit disappointed not to be cavity searched on my way to work.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 09:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
just cos you're public sector or for the queen thing?
― Britain, the 51sb State (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 09:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
just cos he is a dirty vicar and likes to be touched
― Jlloyd, I'm ready to be heartbroken (ken c), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 09:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
GF's sister on security in Dublin yesterday:
"there were Gardai in every hole".
Pretty sure she didn't mean it like that, but lol anyway.
― I LOVE BELARUS (ShariVari), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 09:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
oh the filthy mare
― Britain, the 51sb State (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 09:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
heard they were working overtime alright
― Phelan Nulty (Local Garda), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 09:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
moonlighting
― Jlloyd, I'm ready to be heartbroken (ken c), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 09:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
in other news, Morrissey has condemned the Queen's visit to Ireland: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0517/1224297120594.html
― The New Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 10:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
sure he's always falling out with queens
― taking ilxers out with a flurry of butthurt (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 10:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
oh hey look morrissey thinks something
― Britain, the 51sb State (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 10:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
does he issue a press release or is there some sad bastard somewhere who phones up Morrissey every week and asks him about what's in the news?
― taking ilxers out with a flurry of butthurt (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 10:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
It's Hot Press so it was probably closer to the latter
― Number None, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 10:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
― Volvo Twilight (p-dog), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 11:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
re public sector wages etc, while we're not on the topic, i'm gonna take my p60 this week and check out getting medical card, rent support, etc, cos tbh 400 quid isnt doing much for me week to week this past few months.
Recession biting anywhere else, or do i just need to learn to budget?
― Britain, the 51sb State (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 11:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
is biting here...not even a fucking job to apply for let alone not get.
― Phelan Nulty (Local Garda), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 11:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
I'm living like a king on 188 euro a week
― Number None, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 11:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah i know it's prob weak to be complaining about a 35hr a week income
― Britain, the 51sb State (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 11:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
just checkin round how we're all doin i guess, who's the fatcats of the irish ilxia
― Britain, the 51sb State (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 11:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
I imagine i'm the poorest seeing as i forgot to sign on this month so i haven't had money for two weeks.
― Number None, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 11:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
oof
― Britain, the 51sb State (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 11:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
Also, i'm typing this from my flatmates laptop cos mine fell off the coffee table on Saturday and now the hard drive is banjaxed. This is me right now
― Number None, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 11:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
Fuck the Queen. Apropos of nothing.
― Tom D has taken many months to run this thread to ground (Tom D.), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 11:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
absolutely fuck the queen.a few weeks ago I was ambivalent about this visit, altho dreading the inevitable horseshit from RTE/the Irish Times about maturity etc.
i'm now actively annoyed - first off by the ludicrously OTT security operation - there are snipers on the roof of the Spar on the corner by my work. FFS. if they're actually that worried maybe it's not actually the right time for her to visit? not to mention the fact that we didn't have any of this crap for 30 years of troubles when people were being shot/blown up every day, 100 miles down the road.
second off, it's annoying but far from surprising how quickly we switch into police state mode. obv eirigi are headcases but the complete quashing of dissent, including ripping down every one of their cheap little posters, is thoroughly depressing.
― Volvo Twilight (p-dog), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 11:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
Independent editorial yesterday:http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/leading-articles/leading-article-a-visit-that-will-test-how-far-two-countries-have-come-2284676.html
Our relations could still be better, and would be, if in this country we paid more heed to the horrors visited on Ireland in Britain's name, and if everyone in Ireland was willing to let go of the past.
Incoherent sentiment overall, but the scale of that last clause is fantastic.
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 12:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
That sentence is up there with Tony Blair's "Now is not the time for cheap cliches - I feel the hand of history on my shoulder".
― The New Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 12:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
I'd be worrying more about relations with Scotland, if I was Her Majesty's Government
― Tom D has taken many months to run this thread to ground (Tom D.), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 12:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
i'd say she'll be done before the trip's over. Are paddy power doing odds?
― Britain, the 51sb State (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 12:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
cmere has big phil said anything good about us yet
― Britain, the 51sb State (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
fyi media, these
aren't 'dissidents', they're cunteógs
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 01:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
gurriers
brats
that Vulcan in the white hoodie looks happy enough
― taking ilxers out with a flurry of butthurt (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 01:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
just actin the prick
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 01:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
that is illogical
― taking ilxers out with a flurry of butthurt (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 01:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
plax <3
they're some gásúri so they are
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 01:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
ey nv he is a little alright
omen vibe off the little bollix, entirely too comfortable striding through those flames imo
he looks like Lescott's little brother tho but
― taking ilxers out with a flurry of butthurt (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 01:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
eh i've been marked with that card in my day tbh, had the same wild eyebrows
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 01:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
kid on the right is scarily old/young
I've met him at close of day coming with Red Bull faces
― taking ilxers out with a flurry of butthurt (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 01:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
and yet mol an oige agus tiocfaidh siad
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 01:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
musha and what's strange is often wonderful what
nobody ever told the buckeens that is fear rith maith ná drochsheasamh
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 01:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
I am loving that picture above. Eeeeee eeee eeee.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 09:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
surprised wayne rooney came over to ireland just for that
― Phelan Nulty (Local Garda), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 09:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
it's always something other than is reported, is what annoys. I remember the love ulster riots, that was nothing to do with ulster, it was ugly crowd reaction to keisha cole's woeful support slot for kanye at the rds the night before
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 09:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
you could kick a dog in the street and he'd tell you that sure
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 09:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
nah real talk those guys look like card-carrying Marxist to me
― taking ilxers out with a flurry of butthurt (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 09:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
that's the problem with ur side, the splitting, infighting, etc. It's like y'all believe that ideology matters.
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 10:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
(adds this thread to mental list of reasons to learn Irish, along with "The Best of Myles" and the hope of sounding less of a tit when faced with an unfamiliar Irish name and guessing wildly at which letters not to pronounce)
― russ conway's game of life (a passing spacecadet), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 10:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 10:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
i copied and pasted all of it
what did the chislers do with the fire?
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 10:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
i highly doubt they were there to honour it
Looks to me like they're about to vernacular it at some vernacular vernaculars, the wheels are the giveaway
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 10:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
taking it to replenish the tomb of the unknown gurrier?
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 10:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
a nice thought, certainly
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 10:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
the irish for "gurriers" is "gaginí"
― Phelan Nulty (Local Garda), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 10:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
a mate asked me what "fuck off" was in irish. i told him there wasnt a term like that in irish. "oh youre very civilised arent you" "eeeeh i wouldnt go that far"....
― Michael B, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 12:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
isn't there some variation of "fuck off"...thought there was but maybe I'm mistaken.
― Phelan Nulty (Local Garda), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 12:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
feic as
a feican me a feican tu and thats the truth says i to you
― Michael B, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 12:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
lan ar aghaidh leat you cunt
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 12:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
picture taken in Dublin when he heard I was English, http://completelyinthedark.com/main.php?g2_itemId=11444
Actually he just didn't like Nikons
― Proger, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 16:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
giant haystacks lookin p good imo
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 16:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
thought this was pretty spot-on: http://circumlimina.wordpress.com/2011/05/18/the-day-eirigi-saved-dublin
― Volvo Twilight (p-dog), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 17:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
Channel Five
Rosenthal in Temple Bar and TrinityCollymore talking about 'half measures of the black stuff'Nevin on 'the friendly final'
the real Irish story.
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 18:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
wait
Garret died?
RIP
Ireland much the worse for taking the other path, always the other path.
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 May 2011 15:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
You've only just heard? It was on the news over here yesterday!
― Tom D has taken many months to run this thread to ground (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 May 2011 15:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
i've been holed up somewhat this week tbh
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 May 2011 16:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
"Wait a minute - the Queen was here????"
― The New Dirty Vicar, Thursday, 19 May 2011 16:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
ha no not quite that bad
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 May 2011 16:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
― nakhchivan, Monday, 23 May 2011 18:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
Biggest day for the Offaly Tourist Board since the 2007 National Ploughing Championship.
― I LOVE BELARUS (ShariVari), Monday, 23 May 2011 18:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
better than Reagan did anyway
― Michael B, Monday, 23 May 2011 18:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
― buzza, Monday, 23 May 2011 18:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
Tower Records provided protection from the media storm in dublin, in musical style.http://completelyinthedark.com/main.php?g2_itemId=11429
― Proger, Monday, 23 May 2011 18:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
West Coast people -- wtf is wrong with you [Started by he does guitar with his mouth lmao mint (ex machina) in February 2005, last updated 8 minutes ago by am0n on All Noise Dude Summertime Fun Board and Pickle Bar] 36 new answersIrish politics discussion thread [Started by darraghmac in May 2007, last updated 8 minutes ago by Proger on I Love Everything] 10 new answers
― nakhchivan, Monday, 23 May 2011 18:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
Truth
Obama's accent impressive. He's havin a good effect on enda too imo
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Monday, 23 May 2011 19:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
LOL
http://youtu.be/yo5zH0Il8B0
― Volvo Twilight (p-dog), Monday, 23 May 2011 19:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
i've really been struggling with working out O'Bama today
― taking ilxers out with a flurry of butthurt (Noodle Vague), Monday, 23 May 2011 23:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
he's just enjoying himself tbh, the speeches have all been fun hollywood stuff, it's a nice soft gig before he has to do some work.
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Monday, 23 May 2011 23:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
Obama says Ireland's 'best days are still ahead'
Somehow this seems like a lie.
― Fear Moldova and the Nation of Leaners (seandalai), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 01:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
depends, really. we've not really given adult politics a sustained run since.....
?
someone older than me would be helpful here tbh
we're due a very rough grind, without much in the way of relief, but i don't know of anyone that starved due to the banks this past three years. at some stage everyone who had a vote in the last cabinet will be rotting wormy pigflesh. you have to concentrate on the little positives.
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 01:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
not politics, but
Thoughts on yerman that went climbing everest and didnt make it?
Kids left behind aged 3,2 and newborn
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 12:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
Metaphor rearing its head there p'raps?
― Tom D has taken many months to run this thread to ground (Tom D.), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 12:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
not politics, and always wary of passing comment on people I don't know, but given how many people die climbing Everest you would have to be a bit foolhardy to give it a go, and a bit feckless if you have children to worry about.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 12:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
how much money is there around the place, really?
Fintan o'toole reckons a lot. It's kind of a byline to his article today, but got me wondering how we might get to the metaphorical cash under the mattress, and what we might do with it.
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 15:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
it is one thing to say there is a load of money lying around, another thing entirely to actually get it into the state's maw.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 16:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
not even necessarily advocating that- indeed, for as long as our govts seem intent on throwing it into bank debt and current deficits and the like, keep it away from them.
but there must be ways to get it out and spent, get some cash swimming along the main streets again
boardsdeals.ie is a good idea, i suppose, something along those lines maybe, but on a somewhat grander scale. people will allow themselves to spend on non-necessities if the can be convinced they're getting a bargain.
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 17:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
and let's face it, our economy was based on a lot of non-necessary spending. if you weren't a property developer you were a celebrity gardening hairdresser interior personal fortune consultant at the weekends, or you simply weren't anybody, daaarling
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 17:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
brian lenihan dies
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Friday, 10 June 2011 10:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
hmmmm
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Friday, 10 June 2011 12:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
maybe should have posted that to the excelsior thread tbf.
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Friday, 10 June 2011 12:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
i jest, i jest. Kinda.
He lasted longer than most people expected, i suppose.
The decision to keep working was an interesting one.
― модный хипстер (ShariVari), Friday, 10 June 2011 12:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
he had form in denying the inevitable realities.
God, it's a whitewash out there atm. Unsurprising, a young man with a young family passes away, and not in an easy manner- but his political legacy can't be rewritten because of his illness/death. They should probably leave it out of the platitudes altogether.
Too soon, i suppose. I'm probably racking up the irish sb's.
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Friday, 10 June 2011 12:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
It's incredible that he was making a serious attempt to be FF leader six months after most doctors thought he'd be dead. Can't fault the optimism.
The whitewash is to be expected, and won't last long. I don't know whether he'll be seen in the long term as a decent-enough guy who was incapable of dealing with a set of circumstances beyond the control of anyone in his party or someone who made a bad situation exponentially worse. I get the impression that there was a level of residual respect for him in a lot of quarters, even if only in comparison to the rest of FF.
― модный хипстер (ShariVari), Friday, 10 June 2011 12:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
you're right of course. I'll just grit me teeth for a week.
I think labelling ahern, cowen, lenihan et al as merely misguided or incompetent is possibly naive.
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Friday, 10 June 2011 12:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
Bertie was a wrong 'un. No question.
I'm slightly more inclined to believe that Cowen and Lenihan were victims of circumstance, to a degree, but they all bear at least some moral responsibility for their complicity in a patently rotten system.
― модный хипстер (ShariVari), Friday, 10 June 2011 13:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
it's all the bank guarantee, that's where the country was brought into it. That's brian's baby i'm afraid
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Friday, 10 June 2011 13:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
That's true, and will define whatever legacy he has. I'm not really defending him but i have a sliver of sympathy for anyone dealing with the house of cards that Ahern and the bankers left behind, even if they were in a position to do more about it while it was being constructed.
― модный хипстер (ShariVari), Friday, 10 June 2011 13:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh god don't mention the c word
― ♪♫ hey there lamp post, feelin' whiney ♪♫ (darraghmac), Friday, 10 June 2011 13:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
Can't believe this isn't working
― who shivs a git (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 July 2011 10:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
Any sign that other ratings agencies might downgrade?
― модный хипстер (ShariVari), Wednesday, 13 July 2011 11:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
not really, reports seem to have it as a bit of a pre-emptive move tbh
course, if markets react badly...?
― who shivs a git (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 July 2011 11:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
cross ref with the abuse thread, but feel like enda was strong today.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2011/0721/1224301063509.html
― who shivs a git (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 July 2011 00:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
I agree, I was very impressed by him and I've never voted FG in my life.
― gyac, Thursday, 21 July 2011 09:09 (1 year ago) Permalink
hadn't read the full thing until just now.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2011/0721/1224301061733.html
booming imo
― who shivs a git (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
bout time people started using the word "rape"
― LocalGarda, Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
abuse is far too kind to these guys
yep.
― who shivs a git (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
In one case, the abuser even officiated at the victim’s own wedding
pretty horrible
― LocalGarda, Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
cant even process tbh.
― who shivs a git (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
v well written speech, credit enda's speechwriter.
― LocalGarda, Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
party political stuff devalued it tho
yes
― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 21 July 2011 11:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
xp maybe so, but tbf in context he's announcing a pretty radical departure in attitude towards dealing with the church on this and maybe other issues, and it's correct to note that FF have been complicit in the obfuscation of the church/state divide not just historically, but up to eg the agreement to indemnify the church against the cost of legal settlements as recently as 2002 and since then a marked reluctance to challenge clerical law as a relevant factor in any of this.
The previous govt failed to address these issues, and these issues are an intolerable disgrace. While noting that the state had responsibility for its failings, i think it's allowable and fair to point out that it was a previous administration that allowed the muddy waters to stay muddy for so long.
― who shivs a git (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 July 2011 12:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
― gyac, Thursday, 21 July 2011 16:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
that worked out pretty well, huh?
― who shivs a git (darraghmac), Friday, 22 July 2011 09:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
god help me but apts in dublin are beginning to look like half decent value
― Jolout Boy (darraghmac), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 10:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
prime time going in on nama. Informative but not great analysis.
― Jolout Boy (darraghmac), Tuesday, 6 September 2011 20:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
Has anyone been watching The Rise And Fall Of Fianna Fail?
Not sure how much light it sheds but its proving good value on the sniping and self-justification fronts. The brass neck of Bertie's 'nothing to do with me' routine is amazing.
― A little bit like Peter Crouch but with more mobility (ShariVari), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 17:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
that's not a new routine tbf, haven't seen this tho
― talking heads, quiet smith (darraghmac), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 17:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
ShariVari is not one of us, hence his astonishment at obvious lols like the Bertie routine.
I enjoyed Celia's digs, a lot.
It's on TV3's site but not streaming outside Ireland as far as I can tell.
― gyac, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 18:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
ShariVari is not one of us
in what way is he or she not One Of Us?
― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 19:14 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm English so a lot of the politics is relatively new to me.
― A little bit like Peter Crouch but with more mobility (ShariVari), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 19:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
wtf
― talking heads, quiet smith (darraghmac), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 19:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
avaunt
avaunt ye sassenach i ses
Have won over gyac's mammy. Will win over the rest of you yet.
― A little bit like Peter Crouch but with more mobility (ShariVari), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 19:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
a displayname slagging peter crouch is, admittedly, a fine start
― talking heads, quiet smith (darraghmac), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 19:26 (1 year ago) Permalink
ira president?
― talking heads, quiet smith (darraghmac), Sunday, 18 September 2011 02:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
lolling v hard and enjoying these disbelieving shutin pricks
― talking heads, quiet smith (darraghmac), Monday, 19 September 2011 21:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
poll
o'donoghue ahern mansergh
― talking heads, quiet smith (darraghmac), Monday, 19 September 2011 21:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
I see McGuinness has trotted out the "West Brit" insult directed at anyone who doesn't feel comfortable with one of the former Army Council chiefs as our* head of state.
*Not that I get a fucking vote, I bet.
― gyac, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 17:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
he has? Wtg mairtin that'll show em
― talking heads, quiet smith (darraghmac), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 17:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yes. Apparently he's fine to answer questions about the past though, if the time period in question is restricted to the last two years.
― gyac, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 17:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
keep it relevant, be fair
― talking heads, quiet smith (darraghmac), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 17:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
I bet he has loads of opinions about Jedward!
― gyac, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 17:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
was kinda hoping he'd run an open and honest campaign, he has a lot to gain that way imo. Getting agg-defensive on day two makes this a pointless exercise
― talking heads, quiet smith (darraghmac), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 17:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
"vote for me and i'll tell the grieving families where their loved ones are buried?"
― gyac, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 17:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
hahahaha
― zvookster, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 19:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
you'd want a promise that he'll not kill anyone during the term too
― talking heads, quiet smith (darraghmac), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 19:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
― zvookster, Thursday, 6 October 2011 22:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
dana is an ugly, ugly person and even though she hasn't a chance it's not good that she's convinced enough councils that she deserved a chance at running.
Is michael d gonna walk this?
Will norris carry the urban centres? Will mcguinness the rural areas?
How does a presidential vote work anyway?
― at-zing-two-boards (darraghmac), Monday, 10 October 2011 16:08 (1 year ago) Permalink
idk its been a long time since we had one
― plax (ico), Monday, 10 October 2011 16:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
Still feel Michael D. will win on transfers as everyone else is objectionable to a majority of the electorate.
― psychedelicatessen (seandalai), Monday, 10 October 2011 16:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
is dana just talking shit?
― shite pele (darraghmac), Thursday, 13 October 2011 18:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
or she's actually mental
― Number None, Thursday, 13 October 2011 18:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
I HAVE HEARD WHAT IT IS.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Friday, 14 October 2011 15:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
dish!
― Volvo Twilight (p-dog), Friday, 14 October 2011 15:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
it's such a fucking sideshow, at least she brings entertainment value
― Volvo Twilight (p-dog), Friday, 14 October 2011 15:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
i am a bit wary of posting a potentiall libelous statement in a public forum, so I can just say that it is allegedly a criminal act committed by a relative of hers - so it is not really fair for her to be held account for it, as she is hardly responsible for her family members.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Friday, 14 October 2011 15:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
she's not being held to account for it she's using it as a stunt
― shite pele (darraghmac), Friday, 14 October 2011 15:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
fair enough re not posting, smarter move. i'm sure i'll hear soon enough!
― Volvo Twilight (p-dog), Friday, 14 October 2011 16:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
You can see the "story" at http://www.irishcentral.com/ - it's completely irrelevant to the campaign.
― psychedelicatessen (seandalai), Friday, 14 October 2011 16:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
how d'we feel about the various amendments?
Personally- govt death panels no, judges pay on the table yes
― stop muammar time (darraghmac), Saturday, 22 October 2011 23:21 (1 year ago) Permalink
8 former attorneys general feel strongly about this
Can't believe gallagher is gonna win this, just can't see it
― generation lmbo (darraghmac), Monday, 24 October 2011 20:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
well he's fucked now
hopefully
― Volvo Twilight (p-dog), Monday, 24 October 2011 22:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah hes not coming out of this debate well if thats what youre referring to.
― Michael B, Monday, 24 October 2011 22:18 (1 year ago) Permalink
it is. God knows what will happen tho. I'm kind of zen about the presidency tbh, wd gladly swap Gallagher in the aras for Coppinger in Dublin West and nos to the two const amendments
― Volvo Twilight (p-dog), Monday, 24 October 2011 22:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
i'm either way on judge's pay being a vital part of separation of judiciary and executive, tbph.
Gallagher, just don't like him. Have a feeling that if there's anything beneath the shitetalk buzzwords then it's nasty. And he's FF, a celtic tiger entrepreneur and probably owes us money.
― generation lmbo (darraghmac), Monday, 24 October 2011 22:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh yeah don't get me wrong i HATE gallagher. and I do find it somewhat depressing that so many Irish people are apparently considering swinging right back to FF within the fucken year. but it's such a meaningless gig that he can stew in the park for 14 years afaic. think he's finished tho now, altho who knows?
and yep judges' pay is less important than the other referendum.
― Volvo Twilight (p-dog), Monday, 24 October 2011 22:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
Well FF+FG always get dunno 60% of the people behind them...FF have no official candidate and nobody likes Gay Mitchell, so there's a massive floating centre-right and rural vote that has to go somewhere.
― fun drive (seandalai), Monday, 24 October 2011 22:55 (1 year ago) Permalink
mcguinness, tho it'll fracture obv
― generation lmbo (darraghmac), Monday, 24 October 2011 22:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
not on right or left lines, tho, on rural nationalist ones
― generation lmbo (darraghmac), Monday, 24 October 2011 23:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah and Dana is obviously going for obviously going for some of that vote too. But for one reason or another it looks like they're splitting for Gallagher now.
Fair few friends on Facebook trying to whip up support for Michael D; he'll get all the Norris transfers but I don't know how he can get to 50%+1 unless Gallagher's support collapses.
Didn't see tonight's action though.
― fun drive (seandalai), Monday, 24 October 2011 23:19 (1 year ago) Permalink
michael d will get everyone's transfers imo
fg voters will vote michael d first, imo, if they think gallagher has a chance
dana unpopular, can't really see her drumming up support from any demographic tbh. Hard right catholics? I dunno, maybe it's a bigger market than i think, or at least they'll all show up on the day.
― generation lmbo (darraghmac), Monday, 24 October 2011 23:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
highly doubt ff/fg will get 60% tho
― generation lmbo (darraghmac), Monday, 24 October 2011 23:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
the audience on last nights debate doing a collective "AWWWW!" to Gay Mitchell after pleading to Pat Kenny to ask relevant questions about the role of president (so as he could waffle on) was hilarious.
― Michael B, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 09:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think seanín may just fall away in a sthrong wakeness
took a few envelopes, passed them here and there, nbd.
― generation lmbo (darraghmac), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 11:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
how much of the michael d transfer logic is just out west assumptions though
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 17:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
sure this is it
― generation lmbo (darraghmac), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 18:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
i for one welcome our new fraggle overlord
― the ghost-fisting is a one-off thing (darraghmac), Friday, 28 October 2011 14:02 (1 year ago) Permalink
hear hear
― Michael B Higgins (Michael B), Friday, 28 October 2011 15:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
^
― the ghost-fisting is a one-off thing (darraghmac), Friday, 28 October 2011 15:51 (1 year ago)