It's my fave thing on TV right now...
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Saturday, 28 May 2005 19:34 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Guymauve (Guymauve), Saturday, 28 May 2005 19:49 (7 years ago) Permalink
― jellybean (jellybean), Saturday, 28 May 2005 19:52 (7 years ago) Permalink
― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 28 May 2005 19:52 (7 years ago) Permalink
― a collectivist romantic fling! (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 28 May 2005 20:00 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Saturday, 28 May 2005 20:05 (7 years ago) Permalink
― a collectivist romantic fling! (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 28 May 2005 20:05 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Saturday, 28 May 2005 20:15 (7 years ago) Permalink
Save your cash and get them off of BitTorrent.
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Saturday, 28 May 2005 20:19 (7 years ago) Permalink
― a collectivist romantic fling! (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 28 May 2005 20:28 (7 years ago) Permalink
"Penn is such an ardent atheist he refuses to go to weddings" writes Joshua Quittner in a PJ profile in WIRED 2.09.
― latebloomer: B Minus Time Traveler (latebloomer), Sunday, 29 May 2005 16:28 (7 years ago) Permalink
― rational thought., Sunday, 29 May 2005 16:32 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Did the glacier in the library bounce today? (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 29 May 2005 17:10 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Huk-L, Monday, 30 May 2005 13:56 (7 years ago) Permalink
― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Monday, 30 May 2005 20:23 (7 years ago) Permalink
― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Monday, 30 May 2005 20:36 (7 years ago) Permalink
His thinking is very simplistic and just as reactionary as the other side of the idiot polemic he argues against. The only decent things I've seen on the show are the less ideological stuff-like designer water, for example.
I know someone who loves him, but she's a sucker for any athetist with a penis.
― Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 30 May 2005 20:46 (7 years ago) Permalink
― charleston charge (chaki), Monday, 30 May 2005 23:08 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Melissa W (Melissa W), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 00:16 (7 years ago) Permalink
― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 03:13 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 03:22 (7 years ago) Permalink
― kingfish maximum overdrunk (Kingfish), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 04:00 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 31 May 2005 16:50 (7 years ago) Permalink
― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:01 (7 years ago) Permalink
OTM (your opinion, not the libertarian one)
― The Pinup Girls of YANK (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:10 (7 years ago) Permalink
― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:15 (7 years ago) Permalink
― slightly more subdued (kenan), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:20 (7 years ago) Permalink
― The Pinup Girls of YANK (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:23 (7 years ago) Permalink
― slightly more subdued (kenan), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:25 (7 years ago) Permalink
― slightly more subdued (kenan), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:26 (7 years ago) Permalink
You know what? Every episode of this that I've seen has pissed me off. Ok, fuck this show.
― slightly more subdued (kenan), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:28 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:34 (7 years ago) Permalink
― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:36 (7 years ago) Permalink
I watched the online clip of that last night because of this thread, and it seemed to follow the formula. Here's this venerated respectable person who agrees with us, and... sheesh! Look at this fuckin' idiot!... who represents our opposition.
― slightly more subdued (kenan), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:39 (7 years ago) Permalink
― The Pinup Girls of YANK (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:39 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:37 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:39 (7 years ago) Permalink
Keep in mind, Penn is the type of person who claims to hate wacko pseudo-pundits... and then he pops up in shit like "Michael Moore Hates America." He's a boob.
― On a Strict El Cholo Diet (Bent Over at the Arclight), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:45 (7 years ago) Permalink
― LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Saturday, 22 April 2006 20:34 (7 years ago) Permalink
― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Saturday, 22 April 2006 21:19 (7 years ago) Permalink
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 22 April 2006 21:44 (7 years ago) Permalink
I've only seen the War On Drugs episode thanks to Elvis and S. Cindy, and that one was great, incidentally.
― DOQQUN (donut), Saturday, 22 April 2006 21:51 (7 years ago) Permalink
― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 22 April 2006 21:51 (7 years ago) Permalink
yeah, i really dislike the show for this reason. it makes for good comedy, but i wish their targets weren't so easy. they sweep a stupid hippie off the beach so they can say "look! hippies are stupid!"
― even cathy berberian's nose (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 22 April 2006 22:05 (7 years ago) Permalink
― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Sunday, 23 April 2006 04:29 (7 years ago) Permalink
Statistics used by pro-death penalty people that supposedly prove that capital punishment deters crime.
― LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Sunday, 23 April 2006 16:25 (7 years ago) Permalink
― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 23 April 2006 18:33 (7 years ago) Permalink
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 19:39 (7 years ago) Permalink
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 20:29 (7 years ago) Permalink
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 20:32 (7 years ago) Permalink
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― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 21:37 (7 years ago) Permalink
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― Tiny Hats, Indeed, Wednesday, 26 April 2006 01:56 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 07:08 (7 years ago) Permalink
― Abbott (Abbott), Thursday, 27 April 2006 01:07 (7 years ago) Permalink
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― ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ (chaki), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 23:05 (6 years ago) Permalink
this is some Stossel-level bullshit innit
― Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 29 June 2007 17:29 (5 years ago) Permalink
From everything I've read about the show, yes.
Disappointing, really, since P&T television specials used to be awesome.
― kingfish, Friday, 29 June 2007 17:35 (5 years ago) Permalink
it's more fun to watch if you imagine the people watching aren't the choir, and p/t aren't preaching to it
― Will M., Friday, 29 June 2007 17:37 (5 years ago) Permalink
Right, because this country is FULL of self-described libertarians who love magic and mutes.
― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:02 (5 years ago) Permalink
The gun control episode is a hoot. "Guns are good, because, uh, freedom is good. And guns = freedom!" I think they even tried a variation on 'overthrowing the multilateralist black helicopter government if need be' line. It was some real Roger Adultery shit.
(nb: and I'm not a supporter of gun control)
― milo z, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:28 (5 years ago) Permalink
The "Wal-Mart is good" episode kinda pissed me off. I didn't watch any more after that.
― Rock Hardy, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:32 (5 years ago) Permalink
the show is getting worse and worse.
― kenan, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:35 (5 years ago) Permalink
Not nec., but plenty of geeks and nerds who love magic & mutes are badly socialized enough to be libertarian. Core audience & whatnot.
― kingfish, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:40 (5 years ago) Permalink
ya too many smart kids w/ no friends reading "the fountainhead" in 7th grade and thinking that it explains why they havent gotten laid
― max, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:41 (5 years ago) Permalink
or maybe they havent gotten laid in 7th grade because theyre only 11.
― max, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:42 (5 years ago) Permalink
Right, and take those people and advance them 40 years, and then have them get put into some apparatchik position in a U.S. Admin.
― kingfish, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:46 (5 years ago) Permalink
that or HELLO FARK.COM
― max, Friday, 29 June 2007 19:36 (5 years ago) Permalink
isn't this just the magic man's version of john stossel segments?
― mh, Friday, 29 June 2007 20:03 (5 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, the fourth season was all reactionary without any of the fun of the first two seasons.
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 29 June 2007 20:25 (5 years ago) Permalink
i called it pretty early on.
― get bent, Friday, 29 June 2007 20:26 (5 years ago) Permalink
― kingfish, Saturday, 30 June 2007 17:33 (5 years ago) Permalink
I like the part of the episode where Penn earnestly sympathizes with those in serious emotional pain searching for some comfort. He's not trying to mock their struggles, he has problems too. But the shamelessness of these...ASSHOLES who profit from other people's misery that just gets his blood boiling.
Teller's usually not pulling a bandana through his nose during that speech.
― da croupier, Sunday, 1 July 2007 13:59 (5 years ago) Permalink
I only got through disc 1 of season 1 before giving up but I gather that it didn't get better.
― da croupier, Sunday, 1 July 2007 14:00 (5 years ago) Permalink
I was thinking more like, full of people who think they're smarter than dumb people and love laughing at dumb people's CRAAAAAZY IDEAAAAS (like the healing crystals are bullshit episode-- no healing crystal fans are turning on the TV and thinking, "I want to watch P&T. What? These new age magnets are bullshit?! THANKS GUYS! clearly everyone watching the show was already pretty anti-healing crystals). Also, atheists.
― Will M., Sunday, 1 July 2007 17:34 (5 years ago) Permalink
k, I've just seen four episodes of this show....and while I admit some of the episodes are funny, after seeing the environment and diversity episodes,....they make Michael Moore seem fair and balanced (not that I dislike M.M.).
the assessments above are OTM, wish I had read your warnings first.
― Bo Jackson Overdrive, Monday, 4 August 2008 02:27 (4 years ago) Permalink
plenty of geeks and nerds who love magic & mutes are badly socialized enough to be libertarian. Core audience & whatnot.
-- kingfish, Friday, June 29, 2007 6:40 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link
this is ridic otm
so many old school magic bros have gone this route it's ;_;
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 4 August 2008 03:02 (4 years ago) Permalink
ya scifi writers too.
― s1ocki, Monday, 4 August 2008 03:15 (4 years ago) Permalink
The show on free range kids has redeemed this season somewhat
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 12 August 2008 23:08 (4 years ago) Permalink
Today, they are on ITV doing a Magician's X-Factor type thing.
Wonder if Teller will speak during this? (I know he does when the occasion suits, so ..)
― Mark G, Friday, 7 January 2011 11:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
Love this show.. 90% of the time.
OTM episodes: Alt meds, creationism, obesity, detoxing, new age meds, being green, stranger danger, good ol days, antivaxers
The other 10% is infuriating.
― Jeff, Friday, 7 January 2011 13:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
That's a good hit rate for that kind of show.
― Mark G, Friday, 7 January 2011 13:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
Also hilarious cursing. "What the fucking fuck, fuck you in the neck."
― Jeff, Friday, 7 January 2011 13:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
eh their smugness would be more tolerable if i knew they were using reliable data instead of sourcing it from whatever shady corporate funded fake laboratories
― ice cr?m, Friday, 7 January 2011 14:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
Has anyone seen their movie? "Penn & Teller Get Killed"
I read the synopsis, it sounds like the worst thing ever.
― Mark G, Monday, 10 January 2011 16:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
Catch them in Run DMC's "It's Tricky" video.
I no longer think this is a great series. Shit went off the rails.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 10 January 2011 19:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
I really enjoyed "Penn & Teller Get Killed" when I was like 13/14, but then again, I was like 13/14
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 10 January 2011 19:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
i remember being like "oh wow" about all the references to the Velvet Underground they threw in there...
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 10 January 2011 19:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah I'm pretty confused like everyone else as to what the point of the show is. I like Penn & Teller and think they're funny, but they only make half of the show funny, with the other half being some kind of patched-together debate between a well-spoken professor or scientist and some drugged-out halfwit they pull from the street, it's so intellectually dishonest that not even the hardcore skeptics can agree with the show's message. Which is too bad because I like these guys. But mostly the show just makes me mad, I wish they had like half the diligence of, say, Mythbusters.
― frogbs, Monday, 10 January 2011 20:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
i mean i think its biggest problem is that it shouldn't have gone six seasons. like it was pretty funny in the first two seasons watching them take down low hanging fruit like faith healers and psychics in the sense of "here's how these scams work."
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 10 January 2011 20:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
i mean but also, just saw the list of eps, and like control+F "scientology" not found
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 10 January 2011 20:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
OTM, I more or less jumped off around season 4
― Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Monday, 10 January 2011 20:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
Ohhh man, "Penn and Teller Get Killed" was so bad. I saw it at age 20, but I probably would have liked it more at 13 & 14 when I was their #1 fan from their PBS show of my childhood and from their book How to Play With Your Food and How to Play in Traffic. It was just the worst "aren't I the coolest" shit, just the total shit Vegas ego of Penn Jillette jizzing in spurts for 90 minutes. Total fantasy of how they wish they were. The climax is Penn ranting at a psychic surgeon (in a public square iirc?) and taking him down with grand success in a storm of spittle-drenched vituperation. Big close-up of his pointing finger. Just ridiculous. But I still enjoy both of those books.
I am actually still a huge P&T nerd. I watched that British magic contest of theirs and I couldn't believe how pleasantly diplomatic Penn was being. It was a fun show, too – the cell phone fish trick was gross/awesome, and the bolo tie card guy was too great. Not sure why there were so many ppl going the neoclassical route when the goal was to fool ppl, but I appreciated it.
― Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
A guy did a trick from ancient Egypt ffs!
― Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
It was mainly because Magicians rarely get onto TV over here, so it got PT onto screens here, and also showed that there's roomfor more than one magician on TV (prev: Paul Daniels, now=Derren Brown)
― Mark G, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
I thought it was nice – Vegas could use some gentle 3,000 year old magic.
― Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
Abbbottt, that PBS special was so important for me growing up too. How old r u
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 02:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
I am 27.
― Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 02:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
Was it Penn & Teller: Don't Try This At Home or another one? (I'm 31)
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 02:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
It was their TV show "Behind the Scenes" abt art and shit!
― Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 02:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
It was defs a for kids show, too. I think my mom still thinks of them as kid show hosts.
Painting and Drawing: David Hockney, Wayne Thiebaud and Robert Gil De MontesDAVID HOCKNEY, the world-famous artist whose work spans painting, drawing, book illustrations, photo-collage and set design, shows how modern artists play with the conventions of perspective, illusion of depth and the vanishing point. Artist WAYNE THIEBAUD shows how volume, shape, feeling and movement can transform a simple line into art. And MATT GROENING, creator of The Simpsons and Futurama, demonstrates the art of comic strips. ROBERT GIL DE MONTES, the celebrated painter, relies on the imaginative and unusual use of color to create art that reflects a keen awareness of his Mexican roots.
I want to watch this again!
― Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 02:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
lol i thought for a sec that was a bullshit episode abt art
― ice cr?m, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 06:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
also these guys are libertarians so basically, scum of the earth
p & t had a v good trick
first they told u to get a blank vhs ready to record
then they thought u how to get someone to pick a specific card from the deck, say ♣8
they said to invite your friend over, do this trick, get the card wrong, be sad & say "oh well, whatchu wanna do now, let's watch some tv i guess"
at that point u secretly play the footage they are about to tell u to record, which was a highly recognizable & serious newsreader finishing off a legit-sounding report and then saying, "and this just in: was this your card?" *holds up a GIANT ♣8 card out of nowhere*
― zvookster, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 07:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
I was infuriated by the episode where they claim that tap water tastes the same as bottled water. I can taste chlorine, you fat fuck.
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 07:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
they thought u oh my goodness
― zvookster, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 07:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
I remember seeing their book, and there was a page in it that had a fake recipe for some lovely looking dinner, except the result would be nothing like as successful if it was followed.
Basically, it was a prank for you to leave this somewhere where someone nosy would see it, go *ooh* and make a copy of it and do it at home, to failed result.
Made me think, "Where do these guys live?"
― Mark G, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 09:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
xp What has Penn's size got to do with his loathing of bottled water?
Just been watching P & Get Killed in youtube - the whole thing is there but I doubt you'd get past part 1. It's exactly how Abbott describes it. And they look spookily young. I did enjoy the Fool Us prog though, mostly because it seemed Penn had brought the rage down a notch or two. All the card tricks were amazing.
― Ned Trifle (Notinmyname), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 11:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
Apart from the guy that implied that he'd implanted a suggestion in JRoss' mind, who Penn called out (did he shout Bullshit or just Bull, there?) and pretty much explained the trick, all the acts got respect for what they did.
I guess Penn keeps the rage for people on the "bullshit" show trying to defraud people.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 11:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
I remember seeing the ad for the P&T film in my (then current) copy of the "What Goes On" Velvet Underground App Soc mag, and wondered why we didn't get cool film like that over here.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 12:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
has anyone seen the vegas show?
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 12:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
I agree that water matters. It matters when you drink it straight, and when you make coffee, and beer, and whiskey, and... water has taste, and it matters. HOWEVER they're right that bottled water is bullshit, at least the way we market and consume it most of the time.
― I am Woolen Man. The scarf and I are one. (kenan), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 15:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah but I can tell the difference between tap water and purified bottled water, and I suspect everyone else can too.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 17:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah but a lot of bottled water is from municipal water supplies.
― I am Woolen Man. The scarf and I are one. (kenan), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 17:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
People think they can taste the difference between a lot of things, but blind tests usually prove otherwise.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 17:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
Almost always, in fact. The latest Freakonomics podcast was about wine. Just guess what they found.
― I am Woolen Man. The scarf and I are one. (kenan), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 17:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
More about wine: http://scienceblogs.com/cortex/2008/11/expensive_wine_1.php
― Jeff, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 17:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
Ummm, even in a blind taste test I am sure I could tell the difference between "spring water" (which is usually just tap water, I guess) and purified water. I buy the 24-packs for home and used to accidentally get the spring water every once in a while before noticing how it tasted like tap water every time (you know, without really knowing what was on the label). It's not a placebo effect or anything. They literally do taste different.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 18:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
No argument, they do. I know Houston tap water when I taste it, for sure. Ew.
But part of the experiment, for both the water and the wine, was presenting ordinary, inexpensive, or even outright crappy product to people as if it were the finest of the fine, and that influences people's opinion ENORMOUSLY, in every experiment ever done, like, in history.
― I am Woolen Man. The scarf and I are one. (kenan), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 18:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah but I don't know exactly what that proves. Most people who buy expensive wine do it for the image, like I would argue if you're on a date, you would get the expensive wine for reasons that have nothing to do with how it actually tastes. Our brains just naturally assume they taste better...that they don't doesn't really matter too much. Also, I am sure that if we blind tested, say, 128 kbps vs. 192 kbps MP3s on $20 headphones, most people would say the one labelled 192 'sounds better'. Actually, even on a good stereo I don't think most of your standard music fanatics could tell between say, 256 VBR and lossless. It doesn't really prove anything.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 18:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
It proves humans are delusional. Which is good to remember if you deal with humans at all.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 18:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
i'm still not sure that vinyl sounds better than CD tbh
― I Lost A COGHdrop in His Pato (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 18:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 18:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
It doesn't if the CD is mastered properly (hint: most of them aren't)
― frogbs, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 19:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
I've heard vinyl rips to mp3 that sound better than the CD, or more flattering anyway. If you play around with wav files on a computer, you can hear sample bit-depth (word length?) empirically affect the perceived quality of the sound way more than sample frequency.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 19:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
(these are all very important tradeoffs to someone wanting to fit as many high-quality-sounding fart noises on a floppy disk as possible)
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 19:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
Ha! They have so many variations on this. In How to Play with Your Food it was always 3 of clubs. They had a little pattern you could print out to send to your pizza place to design a 3 of clubs pizza to be delivered. "Is this your card?" Also they made a lot of "pizza trick" jokes which I didn't get at age 13 (also popcorn trick! rude stuff! I didn't even know erections existed!). They said a friend of theirs got a tattoo of three of clubs on the palm of his hand to do this trick. P hardcore!
lol – the recipe had you mix vinegar and baking powder. The best thing about this is you were supposed to fax it to people.
― Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Thursday, 13 January 2011 01:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
I like their stupid tricks and bad jokes so, so much better than I like "Bullshit"!
― Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Thursday, 13 January 2011 01:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
― Loup-Garou G (The Yellow Kid), Thursday, 13 January 2011 04:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
― Loup-Garou G (The Yellow Kid), Thursday, 13 January 2011 04:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
"Three of clubs" is classic, being an easily recogniseable 'medium' card
not like, say, nine or ten of hearts, where conj goes "Is this your card" and the guy goes "um, maybe, let me count the hearts..... yep!"
― Mark G, Thursday, 13 January 2011 10:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
The point with bottled water isnt the taste, its the fact coca-cola amatil et al claim you have to buy bottled water because your tap water is full of germs and chemicals.
BULLSHIT. It is not, if you live in a westernised city. Bottled water otoh sits in storage and parking lots and shops in the sun and gets all gross and has been shown in tests to have far more ecoli and etc than tap water.
Dont buy bottled water, any of you. Just dont. It is a crime against everything, a problem created by coca cola to make money.
― Stargazey Pi (Trayce), Thursday, 13 January 2011 11:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
Then again, the first time I made a disprin with bottled water, I was like "whoa, it actually dissolves! As opposed to "go all clumpy and have to be stirred"".
― Mark G, Thursday, 13 January 2011 12:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
Where do they claim this?
― frogbs, Thursday, 13 January 2011 14:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
"In designing DASANI to be the best tasting water, we start with the local water supply, which is then filtered to remove impurities."
"Since [Aquafina's] state-of-the-art HydRO-7 purification system removes substances most other bottled waters leave in, you get pure water and perfect taste every time."
"Does Aquafina remove the substances like bacteria or gaseous compounds?Our state-of-the-art HydRO-7™ purification system is designed to remove dissolved solids and organic compounds that may be present in the water. The reverse osmosis process we use removes these organic compounds, but we also employ other steps such as carbon filtration, ozonation, and Ultra Violet (UV) light as additional safeguards."
"Does the Aquafina purification process remove pharmaceuticals?
The Aquafina purification process uses the best technology available to purify water. It is an accredited and validated process that meets or exceeds government standards and has been verified by independent experts.
The seven-step RO-7 process includes reverse osmosis, ozonation and carbon filtration. Each of these steps - even individually - is designed to remove manufactured molecules such as pharmaceuticals, as well as naturally occurring substances such as heavy metals. When these steps are used together, as they are in our proprietary RO-7 process, they further ensure the purity of Aquafina."
― you think you're cool, but you read ick (Phil D.), Thursday, 13 January 2011 14:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
So is none of that actually true? Or, is it true but not really a big deal (as in, tap water won't get you sick anyway).
― frogbs, Thursday, 13 January 2011 15:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah the latter, mainly (and thanks Phil! Some excellent quotes)
I did mean in the marketing sense rather than anything scientific of course. Not all that long ago bottled water did not exist, and people sniggered at Perrier and Evian drinkers. "why would you pay for water?".
Softdrink companies manufactured a concern. There's some excellent web-movies on this stuff. I'm trying to rememver where I saw them.
― Stargazey Pi (Trayce), Thursday, 13 January 2011 20:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
FIJI water's a nice example of something supposedly pure and quality actually completely fucking up the community in Fiji where the factory is.
Recycled plastic - there's too much of it - is sent to India for "processing" and most of it ends up being burnt. WHich poisons the commnities where they do the processing. Which means their water gets tainted. Whoops! Better send in some bottled water to help them out!
― Stargazey Pi (Trayce), Thursday, 13 January 2011 20:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
Well I can see people drinking it as a "novelty" back in the day but it's not really that laughable of a product anymore. You can get around 30 bottles for $4 which is about the cost of just buying purified water by the gallon.
― frogbs, Thursday, 13 January 2011 20:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
Aha here we go: this is what I saw recently.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/annie-leonard/the-story-of-bottled-wate_b_507942.html
― Stargazey Pi (Trayce), Thursday, 13 January 2011 21:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
The question is why are you buying purified water? Do you really need to? And is it, really?
― Stargazey Pi (Trayce), Thursday, 13 January 2011 21:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
...you have to buy bottled water because your tap water is full of germs and chemicals. BULLSHIT. It is not, if you live in a westernised city.
People do tend to forget that there are still a lot of places in the world where the water will make you very, very sick. And not over several years, Erin Brockovich-style, but that very same afternoon. No, we have not 100% perfected the total purity of the water supply in America, but there does seem to be a prominent feeling -- just a feeling, is all it is -- that drinking water from the tap is BAD for you. This is not because most municipal water supplies are unsafe to drink. In America, almost no municipal water supplies have been shown to have any ill health effects of any kind over any period of time. (With a few notable exceptions, of course.) A huge amount of time and money and engineering and invention and all-around giving a shit has gone into making sure that you can drink a glass of water right out of your faucet whenever you like, and even if you have taste issues with your local tap water, I don't think enough people stop to consider what a modern miracle it is that we have unlimited access to perfectly safe, clean water.
― I am Woolen Man. The scarf and I are one. (kenan), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
Because it tastes much better, and yes I would do a double blind test or whatever
― frogbs, Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah Kenan I'm obviously talking about western cities with clean water supplies. Theyre the ones soda companies are selling this crap to!
― Stargazey Pi (Trayce), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
but there does seem to be a prominent feeling -- just a feeling, is all it is -- that drinking water from the tap is BAD for you.
It is Coca Cola Amatil et al who CREATED this "feeling". Watch that link/video I posted.
― Stargazey Pi (Trayce), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
Sorry this is my one barrel I push haha. Wrong thread for it really.
oh my god you guys
― I Lost A COGHdrop in His Pato (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
Bottled water is a load of bullshit. please don't drink/buy it. Thanks from the rest of the world.
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
pretty sure all water is fine unless you drink it out of a muddy hoofprint. Like you guys being all "don't put bad things in your body" on a board that has a 340-post thread on how awesome four loko is, i mean
― I Lost A COGHdrop in His Pato (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
it's the BOTTLING of the water that is the problem
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
Thankyou Shakey, I was begnning to think I was on crazy pills!
― Stargazey Pi (Trayce), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
And if your tap water is hard (which is why Mark G's disprin wont dissolve), or metallic, or a little funny tasting - buy a filter jug!
― Stargazey Pi (Trayce), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
I like hard water, both for drinking from the tap and for showering. Calcium and magnesium are not problems with the water, they're just common minerals. Hell, the water out of Lake Michigan has so much calcium in it, you don't need to drink milk anymore.
― I am Woolen Man. The scarf and I are one. (kenan), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
And it's delicious, btw.
I like the chunky style.
― nickn, Friday, 14 January 2011 00:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
hard water is the worst for showering, makes crazy hair
― ice cr?m, Sunday, 16 January 2011 15:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
so does this show still involve Penn and Teller picking and ripping apart easy targets and spitting out oversimplified opinions? if so, I'll continue to skip and will thank u for the warning
― five deadly venoms (San Te), Sunday, 16 January 2011 15:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
I never liked this show for that reason. Any good arguments they make are, like you say, shootin' fish in a barrel stuff - and theres that small percentage of utter libertarian nonsense to boot.
― Stargazey Pi (Trayce), Sunday, 16 January 2011 22:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
And a while ago I was dating a guy who, I realised eventually, looks (and has opinions) like Penn Gilette. It was... disconcerting. Like that episode of the IT crowd where Jen is dating the guy who looks like a magician, haha.
― Stargazey Pi (Trayce), Sunday, 16 January 2011 22:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
Just got tickets for the Vegas show! :D
― domo genesis p-orridge (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 16 January 2011 23:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
My seats are ridiculously fucking close
― domo genesis p-orridge (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 16 January 2011 23:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
Growing up, these guys were some of my heroes. It was awesome to get another Penn & Teller book for Christmas or seeing them on Letterman.
― Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Monday, 17 January 2011 00:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
I liked in one of their books when they said magic is a terrible way to pick up women. It makes people think you are deceitful and crafty and manipulative, which they said is not attractive to women.
― Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Monday, 17 January 2011 00:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
It's a good way of making women appear from nowhere though.
― Mark G, Monday, 17 January 2011 10:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
being cut in half is probably a turn-off
― Jefferson Mansplain (DG), Monday, 17 January 2011 13:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
Whiney will the Vegas show have the ppl from the British TV contest?
― Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Monday, 17 January 2011 16:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
\o_o/
― domo genesis p-orridge (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 17 January 2011 16:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
man i used to love these guys wish i never woulda watched this horrible show.
glenn beck follows penn on twitter (and muse!)
― dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 January 2011 18:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
muse about what?
― Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Monday, 17 January 2011 18:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
muse the band
― dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 January 2011 18:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
I feel silly!But: Stephanie Meyers likes them ---Glenn Beck likes them, are they the #1 band for Mormons?
― Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Monday, 17 January 2011 18:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah i don't know much about them, other than the songs on rock band and guitar here...are they "political" or some shit? i guess they are the new Rush kinda so maybe they have weirdo libertarian leanings and shit
― dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 January 2011 18:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
An in-law of mine has been tweeting obsessively on facebook about the recycling episode, telling everybody to stop recycling. Could anyone who has seen the episode break this down for me? The only clue I've got from this thread is:
The PETA one is the scariest thing ever. But I think the recycling one failed.― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, May 31, 2005 1:01 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― kkvgz, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
bump
― kkvgz, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
from what i remember someone figured out the pollution/resoureces it takes to drive trucks to places and pick up news papers and then break them down vs just dumping them in a field, and it's supposedly WORSE for the environment to have all these extra trucks and factories running to reuse this stuff
― suxv (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
Oh, I'm sure...
Also, for every action there is a reaction.
As in, we get to have our burgers in biodegradeable boxes, only get a shopping plastic bag when we really need it, and so on. So, Newspapers are given out free to train travellers, everyone tales one, only 50% of them are read, and 95% are left on the train to get recycled and reprinted. I vote we sack free papers.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
xp ok (or not, depending on whether that's true) but recycling is not just about energy saving, it's about not giving over the whole of your countryside to massive stinky unhealthy landfill sites.
― and the hint of parp (ledge), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, I was thinking about that. And not stripping the countryside of natural resources in the first place.
― kkvgz, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
stuff like paper might be better made from renewable resources rather than recycled, iirc. like to see the arguments against recycling rarer materials with finite supplies.
― a SB-in' artist that been in the game for a minute (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
aren't these guys more or less global warming sceptics tho? fucking libertarians
Wow - he just posted on it for the third time today.
― kkvgz, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 16:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
Getting the trash picked up at my curb is more expensive and uses more resources than simply throwing it out the window and letting it pile up in my backyard. Therefore trash pickup is bullshit.
― wk, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 17:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
That's the level of thought these libertarian asshats seem to operate under. Teller is a great magician though. Shame they had to go down this path.
― wk, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 17:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
Getting the trash picked up at my curb is more expensive and uses more resources than simply throwing it out the window and letting it pile up in my backyard.
this is only true in the short-term duh
― in my world of loose geirs (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 17:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
Teller speaks! Wizard-level misdirection!
― Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 14 July 2011 06:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
This is still his best piece. Too bad there's not a clean version up without people talking on top.
― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Thursday, 14 July 2011 07:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
I remember a "travels around the world" TV series they did, which was excellent and one I'd buy if it were available..
Teller did a bit of a video diary on it.
― Mark G, Thursday, 14 July 2011 09:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm finally watching this show, it's pretty great. The show about going green was so awesome. Some of them present really interesting points of view that I hadn't thought of, and never really see when these topics come up. They must get a lot of shit from leftists. Also, <3 the blonde with the perfect huge tits
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 30 April 2012 21:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
definitely some interesting POVs on this show, but I certainly wouldn't take anything away from it, it's about the least objective thing on TV right now
― That's a pretty funky dance, Garfield. Show me how you do it. (frogbs), Monday, 30 April 2012 21:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
Nothing's objective on TV.
The organic one was awesome too
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 30 April 2012 21:40 (1 year ago) Permalink