I always knew David Brooks was an asshole ....

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Justice Harry Blackmun did more inadvertent damage to our democracy than any other 20th-century American. When he and his Supreme Court colleagues issued the Roe v. Wade decision, they set off a cycle of political viciousness and counter-viciousness that has poisoned public life ever since, and now threatens to destroy the Senate as we know it.

discuss/disgust...

diedre mousedropping (Dave225), Thursday, 21 April 2005 12:14 (eighteen years ago) link

well you can't deny that Roe v. Wade has been a flashpoint for contention, strife, and anger ever since.

shookout (shookout), Thursday, 21 April 2005 13:16 (eighteen years ago) link

no, it's been a "flashpoint" for a major reduction in crime in America, studies suggest

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 21 April 2005 13:19 (eighteen years ago) link

It's not that the Bushes disenfranchised black voters in 00 and 04, overtly and covertly stealing those respective elections, and it's not that the separation between church and state is disappearing, and our system of checks and balances is not currently functioning, and a major tv network is unapologetically biased towards conservatism, and we're at war either due to incompetence or outright lies that's poisoning our country, it's that evil abortions happen, and Jesus doesn't like that. I say we exile all the liberals. We can borrow more money from China and Saudi Arabia to build ships and send them to Russia where they belong.

rush hannity, Thursday, 21 April 2005 13:35 (eighteen years ago) link

[quote]no, it's been a "flashpoint" for a major reduction in crime in America, studies suggest[/quote]

that's from the wacky REAL ECONOMICS book (I totally forget the real name and author, he makes a bunch of broad assumptions from economic data), isn't it? The link is specious, certainly not causal and has some severely troubling overtones (ie ignore the link between poverty and crime, instead cheer on poor folks aborting their criminal progeny, etc.)

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 21 April 2005 13:38 (eighteen years ago) link

well you can't deny that Roe v. Wade has been a flashpoint for contention, strife, and anger ever since.

Yes, he has a point there, but his argument is no different than arguing against Blacks & Women getting the right to vote. We could very well be having the same contention over many other subjects. (“When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We’re proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn’t have had all these problems over all these years, either.” -Lott)

diedre mousedropping (Dave225), Thursday, 21 April 2005 13:50 (eighteen years ago) link

milo, are you referring to Steve Leavitt and Steve Landsburg? Their economics are generally considered "sound" by other economists (Leavitt won the John Bates Clark medal a few years ago, for whatever that happens to be worth, though Landsburg came in for considerable abuse when he was writing "Everyday Economics" for Slate) and folks go all gooey about them because they write about drug dealers, etc.

But as near as I can tell they are basically a couple of big fat neocons with some gee-whiz mathematical gizmos.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Flashpoints can be helpful, eg John Brown and the Civil War.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:07 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, thank god that such public strife and invective was never around before the ruling, much less with a war that had been going for for 7+ years by that point...

kingfish, Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:08 (eighteen years ago) link

that's it, Steven Levitt, new book Freakonomics

The very little I've read makes your view look spot on to me with a little PJ O'Rourke BS mixed in for color.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:12 (eighteen years ago) link

It's a pretty stupid article. Brooks is a very stupid person.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:13 (eighteen years ago) link

ie ignore the link between poverty and crime, instead cheer on poor folks aborting their criminal progeny, etc.

uhhhh

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Shorter Brooks: Can we please just cater to the back of the parade so that Wepublicans and Democwats can go back to pretending to like each other at cocktail parties?

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:28 (eighteen years ago) link

new book

old idea

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:32 (eighteen years ago) link

An old idea that has gotten no better with time and the introduction of calculus.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Thursday, 21 April 2005 15:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Can people please stop reading anything David Brooks writes? He's a complete and utter shit-for-brains. He's like the most annoying pundit in America. Alex in SF on point.

I think it would be a lot more interesting to have a thread on Steven Levitt, FWIW.

TOMBOT, Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I'd be more curious about him too, actually.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Are we so much the Bell-Curve-police that we can't distinguish between "poor folks aborting their criminal progeny" and "folks, many of whom are poor, aborting their unwanted and likely to be unloved and opportunity-less progeny"?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Links to Levitt's working papers:
http://www.src.uchicago.edu/users/levit/workingpapers.htm

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think the distinction entirely changes the discomfort we're talking about G -- you're right about the "unwanted" part, but Milo's talking more about the "opportunity-less."

David Brooks is way way too harmless and bumbling to ever seem like much of an "asshole." I mean, this is a guy who spent the fall getting regularly PWNED by Mark Shields, of all people. On PBS. Every now and then he dredges up a sentence that can almost pretend to be incendiary, but for the most part he's a total softy, a socially-"bobo" centrist who seems almost geezery and apologetic about his actual geek-conservatism. He's like if Richard Roeper grew up Bush.

nabiscothingy, Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:41 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm trying to decide which out of Richard Roeper or David Brooks is the stupidest now. Fuck this is a mindbender.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Milo's talking more about the "opportunity-less."

all of whom are criminals, obv. one factor may be sufficient, but the combination seems to increase the likelihood.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:46 (eighteen years ago) link

but, as i said at the first, i'm not sure at all what milo's saying. he seems to be objecting to his own point.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:47 (eighteen years ago) link

The thing that really makes the most uncomfortable about Levitt's thesis regarding abortion and crime rates is that it seems to confuse correlation with causation. (And given his selective sampling I'm not sure about the correlation part, either).

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

All of Levitt's research seems fascinating to me, except the one paper about the NFL betting, which is kind of a "well duh" to me. I suppose depending on your viewpoints and experience a lot of his other research might seem "well duh" to other people but I love this kind of shit, it strikes me that he's actually doing a sort of metrics-based anthropology rather than economics with most of it. I'm always a sucker for that.

TOMBOT, Thursday, 21 April 2005 16:59 (eighteen years ago) link

The discomfort is that it makes it seem like Roe v Wade is some kind of twisted eugenics experiment, which it isn't. It treads very close to a lot of scary lines people don't like to talk about.

TOMBOT, Thursday, 21 April 2005 17:00 (eighteen years ago) link

He's no doubt fascinating to read, but it's the reliability of Levitt's models that concerns me. Econometrics does a generally crappy job performing what should be relatively simple tasks (at least within the field), such as forecasting general trends in consumer inflation or payroll employment. I'm not sure how far I should trust it to make sense of complex phenomena over extended time series, like changes in crime rates due to Roe V. Wade.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Thursday, 21 April 2005 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm objecting to the specious reasoning, gabbneb. Higher rates of abortion and lower rates of crime - which is extrapolated to the 'poor folks be robbing' mentioned first - do not, in any way, share causality. Levitt's model is based on statewide crime figures and doesn't seem to account for the infinite number of variables present. He's referring primarily to 'blue states' - where you've got less social control (easier access to abortion) and urban poverty. You don't think that maybe the rise and end of the crack epidemic, urban renewal initiatives, a decade of relative prosperity, Giuliani-like crime programs etc. might, just maybe, had a wee something

Whereas the red states - coincidentally restricted in abortion - have more rural poverty. The rural poor didn't have as many alleviating social changes over the past decade or two. So is it any shock, say, that their rates of drug abuse (crime) stayed steady or rose?


Then there's also have the other, more disturbing facet of the reasoning (as nabisco alluded to) - lower crime is good, crime rates are highest among the poor, abortion lowers crime rates - aborting the poor lowers crime and is therefore good. It makes it easier, even unconsciously, to dehumanize and criminalize the poor.

My big problem problem with Levitt (maybe his academic research is better, but his pop-cult economics is what I've seen) is that it extrapolates a great deal from very little and then makes broad, ill-informed pronouncements from the data. ie it's the type of shit that belongs in a humor book or PJ O'Rourke column.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 21 April 2005 19:14 (eighteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
Rape David Brooks to Save America.

elmo, patron saint of nausea (allocryptic), Thursday, 22 December 2005 17:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Can someone please post the text from his column?

giboyeux (skowly), Thursday, 22 December 2005 17:45 (eighteen years ago) link

David Brooks is one of those bright, curious, imaginative people who doesn't have a clue about how his naievity, shortcomings, weaknesses and blind spots affect the legitimacy of his premature and often poorly informed conclusions. These traits naturally make him a leading editorial columnist.

Aimless (Aimless), Thursday, 22 December 2005 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Wait, milo, to go back in the way back machine now, did you actually read Levitt's book? Because that's not what he's saying at all. Your mention of Giuliani's programs as if he doesn't delve into those and why they ultimately might not be as effective as people think is what spurred me to ask the question. I don't have the book in front of me (or indeed, anywhere else near me, I borrowed it off someone and had to return it), but I don't think his point was KILL THE POOR or some other neocon nudge nudge nonsense. It rather more comes across as the correlation between abortion rising versus crime declining is just as likely a cause as any of the other things people like to go on about. It's an exercise in making the point that most of the social programs/Giuliani's regime that actually get instituted in urban areas are bullshit and don't actually do anything.

Everyone loves to quote the "abortion lowers crime" blurb but no one seems bothered to actually read what the man wrote in his book.

Fuck David Brooks, why are we talking about him? Also yeah can people start reposting NYT articles? I refuse to BUY a David Goddamn Brooks article.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Thursday, 22 December 2005 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link

When Big Brother Is You
By DAVID BROOKS
Let's play "You're the President." Let's put you in the Oval Office and see what kind of decisions you make in real-world circumstances.

Because you are president, you are briefed each day on terrorist threats to this country. These briefings are as psychologically intense as an episode of "24," with descriptions of specific bad guys and their activities.

This has had a cumulative effect on your psychology. While many of your fellow citizens have relaxed as 9/11 has faded into history, you don't have that luxury. Your briefings, and some terrifying false alarms that haven't been made public, keep you in a perpetual state of high alert.

You know that one of the few advantages we have over the terrorists is technological superiority. You are damned sure you are going to use every geek, every computer program and every surveillance technique at your disposal to prevent a future attack. You have inherited the FISA process to regulate this intelligence gathering. It's a pretty good process. FISA judges usually issue warrants quickly and, when appropriate, retroactively.

But the FISA process has shortcomings. First, it's predicated on a division between foreign and domestic activity that has been rendered obsolete by today's mobile communications methods. Second, the process still involves some cumbersome paperwork and bureaucratic foot-dragging. Finally, the case-by-case FISA method is ill suited to the new information-gathering technologies, which include things like automated systems that troll through vast amounts of data looking for patterns, voices and chains of contacts.

Over time you've become convinced that these new technologies, which are run by National Security Agency professionals and shielded from political influence, help save lives. You've seen that these new surveillance techniques helped foil an attack on the Brooklyn Bridge and bombing assaults in Britain. The question is, How do you regulate the new procedures to protect liberties?

Your aides present you with three options. First, you can ask Congress to rewrite the FISA law to keep pace with the new technologies. This has some drawbacks. How exactly do you write a law to cope with this fast-changing information war? Even if you could set up a procedure to get warrant requests to a judge, how would that judge be able to tell which of the thousands of possible information nodes is worth looking into, or which belongs to a U.S. citizen? Swamped in the data-fog, the courts would just become meaningless rubber-stamps. Finally, it's likely that some member of Congress would leak details of the program during the legislative process, thus destroying it.

Your second option is to avoid Congress and set up a self-policing mechanism using the Justice Department and the N.S.A.'s inspector general. This option, too, has drawbacks. First, it's legally dubious. Second, it's quite possible that some intelligence bureaucrat will leak information about the programs, especially if he or she hopes to swing a presidential election against you. Third, if details do come out and Congressional leaders learn you went around them, there will be blowback that will not only destroy the program, but will also lead to more restrictions on executive power.

Your third option is informal Congressional oversight. You could pull a few senior members of Congress into your office and you could say: "Look, given the fast-moving nature of this conflict, there is no way we can codify rules about what is permissible and impermissible. Instead we will create a social contract. I'll trust you by telling you everything we are doing to combat terror. You'll trust me enough to give me the flexibility I need to keep the country safe. If we have disagreements, we will work them out in private."

These are your three options, Mr. President, and these are essentially the three options George Bush faced a few years ago. (He chose Option 2.) But before you decide, let me tell you one more thing: Options 1 and 2 won't work, and Option 3 is impossible.

Options 1 and 2 won't work because they lead to legalistic rigidities and leaks that will destroy the program. Option 3 is impossible because it requires trust. It requires that the president and the Congressional leaders trust one another. It requires Democrats and Republicans to trust one another. We don't have that kind of trust in America today.

That leaves you with Option 4: Face the fact that we will not be using our best technology to monitor the communications of known terrorists. Face the fact that the odds of an attack on America just went up.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 22 December 2005 18:39 (eighteen years ago) link

What a jerk.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 22 December 2005 18:41 (eighteen years ago) link

I like how "trust" is some silly fantasy.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 22 December 2005 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I can look at him for 2 seconds on Lehrer before wanting to take his lunch money. So meh.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 December 2005 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link

It's touching, this conservative faith in the wisdom and good intentions of Big Government.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 22 December 2005 18:49 (eighteen years ago) link

OTM

don weiner (don weiner), Thursday, 22 December 2005 18:51 (eighteen years ago) link

God, I wish you hadn't posted that.
How much does THAT stupid piece of shit get paid?
Fire HIM. Retroactively.

TOMBOT, Thursday, 22 December 2005 18:53 (eighteen years ago) link

First, it's predicated on a division between foreign and domestic activity that has been rendered obsolete by today's mobile communications methods.

these "cellular" "telephones" represent a paradigm shift that our founders never intended

älänbänänä (alanbanana), Thursday, 22 December 2005 18:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I love how the main drawback to all three stupid ideas is that they're stupid and illegal and bullshit, and thus will be destroyed whenever the public gets wind of them. Damned public! Fuck them!

TOMBOT, Thursday, 22 December 2005 19:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah alan don't you know electronics and digital transistorized integrated circuits have made our concepts of "citizenship" and "rights" totally obsolete?

TOMBOT, Thursday, 22 December 2005 19:01 (eighteen years ago) link

"God, I wish you hadn't posted that."

Sorry everyone else asked for it. :(

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 22 December 2005 19:18 (eighteen years ago) link

why not just put cameras in every room in every building in america? we have the technology! it would prevent attacks right?

m.

msp (mspa), Thursday, 22 December 2005 20:36 (eighteen years ago) link

These briefings are as psychologically intense as an episode of "24," with descriptions of specific bad guys and their activities.

this reminds me of the one bloom county strip where steve dallas cries when he finds out "knight rider" is a children's show.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 22 December 2005 20:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Can I mention how fucking sick I am of "24" being used to justify Bush policy? I've never seen the show, but I fucking hate it.

elmo, patron saint of nausea (allocryptic), Thursday, 22 December 2005 20:53 (eighteen years ago) link

it's for kids.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 22 December 2005 21:01 (eighteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
from Chris Mathews:

“One of the things I’ve found in life is that politicians are a lot more sincere than us journalists and we are more sincere than the people that read and watch us.µ

vid here

kingfish trapped under ice (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 10 August 2006 22:27 (seventeen years ago) link

eleven months pass...

On "Meet the Press," challenged on an assertion that 10,000 Iraqis will die every month if the U.S. pulls out, The New York Times columnist admits he just picked the number "out of the air."

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003615101

Martin Van Burne, Monday, 23 July 2007 14:51 (sixteen years ago) link

I saw the broadcast. He also implied that it's worth losing a few hundred Americans a month if it keeps 10,00,00o,00,000,000 Iraqis from dying. For once Bob Woodward acted like a journalist and went after him.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 23 July 2007 14:54 (sixteen years ago) link

As much as I hate to defend Brooks, I think this is an unfair "gotcha" slam - he was obviously using the number 10,000 rhetorically to begin with. He's just trying to argue that even more Iraqis will die if we pull out, which may or may not be true but is not exactly an assertion "out of the air."

Hurting 2, Monday, 23 July 2007 14:54 (sixteen years ago) link

Given that so many generals, Bushies, neocons, and "experts" have offered their own out-of-the-air assertions since 2002, I'm prepared to slap the shit out of Brooks, especially after that slavish Bush column he wrote last week.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 23 July 2007 15:00 (sixteen years ago) link

xpost

But Hurting, he's inserting an exact number to make a hypothetical scenario seem like a concrete actuality. Far from the worst of his crimes, but it highlights how slippery his support for his arguments typically is.

Martin Van Burne, Monday, 23 July 2007 15:03 (sixteen years ago) link

In other words, I'd let this go in many other cases, but Brooks deserves to be called out on this.

Martin Van Burne, Monday, 23 July 2007 15:04 (sixteen years ago) link

Ok, but advocates of withdrawal say stuff like "It can't get worse than it already is" all the time, which is just as hypothetical.

Hurting 2, Monday, 23 July 2007 15:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Besides, how literal-minded do you have to be to think that David Brooks is claiming to know exactly how many Iraqis will die per month?

Hurting 2, Monday, 23 July 2007 15:06 (sixteen years ago) link

Well, he claims to know a lot of stuff that he doesn't!

But regardless, this sort of rhetoric gets those numbers out there as talking points. Soon enough, 10K and 125 become the accepted estimations that you have to argue against.

Martin Van Burne, Monday, 23 July 2007 15:10 (sixteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...

Should we just keep a running tally of his clueless Obama/"class warfare"/"lakefront liberal" columns that he dribbles out like so much Olean?

F'instance

Perhaps he'll finally reach the point of just doing a find/replace of "Kerry" with "Obama" on his shit from 4 years ago. It would certainly save him effort.

kingfish, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 15:17 (fifteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

Methinks that lean times at the Times call for a cutback:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/03/opinion/03brooks.html

autosocratic asphyxiation (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 18:21 (fifteen years ago) link

actually i kind of liked that column--he's right, all Ward 3'rs hate everyone in Bethesda and Potomac.

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 18:25 (fifteen years ago) link

I grew up in Ward 3. Maybe the dynamics have changed since I lived there (due to 8 years of republican rule?) but at the time I didn't sense that there was a huge distinction seen between that and Bethesda. Also Ward 3 was full of incredibly intelligent, interesting people who could have made much more money in the private sector and felt some kind of calling to government.

"Nyah, they're just jealous" -- this passes for biting social commentary?

autosocratic asphyxiation (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 18:37 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah i was kind of kidding--like everything else he writes about he's way over simplified everything. dude is such a goober

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 18:40 (fifteen years ago) link

ah ok, I think I see the sarcasm now

autosocratic asphyxiation (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 3 February 2009 18:42 (fifteen years ago) link

as far as i can tell brooks never knows if he's kidding or not.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 19:00 (fifteen years ago) link

its funny how in their search for a palatable republican the times found the most inane guy in the wrold

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 19:03 (fifteen years ago) link

http://timesonline.typepad.com/comment/images/2007/05/15/david_brooks.jpg

"OK, fine. Let's talk about inanity."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 19:05 (fifteen years ago) link

David Brooks is the name of:
David Allen Brooks (born 1947), American film and television actor who played archaeologist Max Eilerson on the science-fiction television series Crusade
David Brooks (author) (born 1953), Australian author of short stories and co-editor for Southerly
David "Bubba" Brooks, American jazz musician
David Brooks (inventor), inventor who patented an innovative insulator for telegraph lines in 1867 while working for the Central Pacific Railroad
David Brooks (journalist) (born 1961), commentator for The New York Times and other publications
David "Mavado" Brooks (musician), Jamaican dancehall artist
David Brooks (murderer) (born 1955), teenaged accomplice of serial killer Dean Corll
David Brooks (politician) (1756–1838), United States representative in the Fifth United States Congress
David Brooks (rugby league), Australian rugby league footballer
David Brooks (rugby union), British rugby union footballer

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 19:10 (fifteen years ago) link

No results found for "gayvid brooks".

velko, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 19:15 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.suepatrick.com/images_home_special/david_brooks.jpg

velko, Tuesday, 3 February 2009 19:36 (fifteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...

Maybe this is the David Brooks thread I'm looking for.

Taibbi dissects what has got to be one of the worst things Brooks has written in recent memory.

http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2010/01/27/populism-just-like-racism/

KORGÜLL THE EXCHEQUER (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 28 January 2010 15:39 (fourteen years ago) link

There he was on PBS last night talking about the State of the Union and all I could think about at the time was his error-filled hateful post on Haiti.

Taibbi needs to challenge him to a public debate.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 28 January 2010 16:44 (fourteen years ago) link

MT really on fire there

Rage, Resentment, Spleen (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 January 2010 17:07 (fourteen years ago) link

It's hard to believe that the same columnist today wrote a piece that channels some sort of "saner Ross Perot" populist that Obama should either become or lose to in 2012

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/29/opinion/29brooks.html?ref=opinion

killah priest, Friday, 29 January 2010 18:42 (fourteen years ago) link

in private he wanks to military coups tho

u b ilxin' (Hunt3r), Friday, 29 January 2010 18:50 (fourteen years ago) link

it is a source of amazement in my daily life that this guy is allowed to write anywhere, much less for the nyt

call all destroyer, Friday, 29 January 2010 18:52 (fourteen years ago) link

And appear on PBS and NPR.

So he wants a 'Perot' to turn Obama into a Clinton to get rid of the deficit and not do any of those liberal things he thinks are predictable. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

curmudgeon, Friday, 29 January 2010 19:52 (fourteen years ago) link

On a minor note, it's A HUGE pet peeve when a writer, usually a columnist, tries to avoid using a cliché by modifying it. Like:

There is a specter haunting America: the specter of a saner, updated version of Ross Perot.

Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 January 2010 19:54 (fourteen years ago) link

"there is a parrot haunting america: an avian, updated version of phil spector"

u b ilxin' (Hunt3r), Friday, 29 January 2010 19:56 (fourteen years ago) link

he reads like a columnist you'd find in an airplane magazine

bnw, Friday, 29 January 2010 19:57 (fourteen years ago) link

it's not even a matter of disagreeing with him--i just don't think he's very bright.

call all destroyer, Friday, 29 January 2010 19:58 (fourteen years ago) link

lol or what bnw said!

call all destroyer, Friday, 29 January 2010 19:58 (fourteen years ago) link

He's swayed by power and the kind of self-mocking assurance that he wishes he had.

Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 January 2010 19:59 (fourteen years ago) link

aren't we all

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Friday, 29 January 2010 20:00 (fourteen years ago) link

i kind of agree with that column?

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Friday, 29 January 2010 20:00 (fourteen years ago) link

i think Obama could use a little crazy Perot/crazy chart stuff right about now

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Friday, 29 January 2010 20:01 (fourteen years ago) link

A spectre is haunting Mr. Que.

Blue Fucks Like Ben Nelson (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 January 2010 20:01 (fourteen years ago) link

but i mean Brooks usually drives me crazy with his bullshit

that sex version of "blue thunder." (Mr. Que), Friday, 29 January 2010 20:02 (fourteen years ago) link

I am so pro-crazy charts

iatee, Friday, 29 January 2010 20:03 (fourteen years ago) link

He is slick. He sets up strawmen on the left and right and puts himself in the middle. The problem is his descriptions of the left, right, and middle are never accurate even if he claims to be quoting an informed neutral source.

curmudgeon, Friday, 29 January 2010 20:27 (fourteen years ago) link

If you get a deficit-reduction deal, you break through the polarized rigidities that encrust everything else.

Yea like the lobbyists just disappeared and both parties got what their constituents wanted after Clinton reduced the deficit.

curmudgeon, Friday, 29 January 2010 20:33 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...

He may be an asshole, but he is now the NYT OpEd Page's most fervent Obama supporter! (The company you keep...) And he hit truth here:

To the consternation of many on the left, Obama has continued about 80 percent of the policies of the second Bush term.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/12/opinion/12brooks.html

Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 13 March 2010 16:24 (fourteen years ago) link

Context, bro:

"Take foreign policy. To the consternation of many on the left, Obama has continued about 80 percent of the policies of the second Bush term."

bnw, Saturday, 13 March 2010 16:51 (fourteen years ago) link

Also, Brooks is an idiot, so "company you keep" applies to people agreeing with his thought process i.e. you.

bnw, Saturday, 13 March 2010 16:52 (fourteen years ago) link

oic

Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 13 March 2010 17:02 (fourteen years ago) link

Democratfascists

Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 13 March 2010 17:02 (fourteen years ago) link

eh i actually agreed with that last brooks column

k3vin k., Saturday, 13 March 2010 17:09 (fourteen years ago) link

really its Brooks discovering something a year after the rest of the planet again.

bnw, Saturday, 13 March 2010 17:16 (fourteen years ago) link

Usually a few days after writing a column like that (which he does periodically) he follows up with some knee-jerk neo-con stuff. Its the columns like this one that keep getting him invited back on NPR and PBS, not his ones blaming poor Haitians for their troubles, etc.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 13 March 2010 21:27 (fourteen years ago) link

He is slick. He sets up strawmen on the left and right and puts himself in the middle.

otm. He's the last bobo in paradise.

The Magnificent Colin Firth (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 13 March 2010 21:39 (fourteen years ago) link

three months pass...

David Brooks is back to forecasting election results based on his analysis of suburban voters and his skewed analysis of values--

Moderate suburban voters do not see the world as liberals do, even in the most propitious circumstances, and never will.

Bitterly and too late, Dr. Faustus recognized that economic policies are about values. If your policies undermine personal responsibility by separating the link between effort and reward, voters will punish you for it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/22/opinion/22brooks.html?src=me&ref=general

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link

why does this guy still have a job

insert your favorite discriminatory practice here (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 21:36 (thirteen years ago) link

clearly you don't understand moderate suburban voters

LOS CATIOS (latebloomer), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link

those damn bobos in paradise

Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 21:51 (thirteen years ago) link

His literary perspective has made him a more fully rounded person than most of the people one finds in this business. Unlike many Americans, he seems to completely trust his desire for pleasure, and has been open about his delight in sex, drink, friendship and wordplay.

Brooks on Christopher Hitchens. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/02/opinion/02brooks.html?_r=1&src=me&ref=homepage

curmudgeon, Friday, 2 July 2010 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link

Many Americans do not delight in friendship?

curmudgeon, Friday, 2 July 2010 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/the-arrogant-david-brooks-tells-readers-that-stimulus-will-risk-national-insolvency

Dean Baker versus David Brooks(who attacks those "high-IQ" types who want more government stimulus now)

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 6 July 2010 15:54 (thirteen years ago) link

Full profile in New York, by the way.

Politically, it’s clear why the White House likes Brooks—he’s the persuadable opposition. “David represents to them the sensible Republican,” says Collins. “If David is convinced, they regard that as a real bi-partisan triumph.” But the special relationship is as much about style as politics. Temperamentally, Brooks and Obama could be twins. They address crises with an almost inhuman calm—an asset at times, but also a liability when the only proper response is emotional. On this, Brooks defends Obama. “You know, people fault President Obama for being passionless sometimes, for being a little too cold,” Brooks said on PBS NewsHour in May. “But when you have a week like this, where you’ve got the Greek situation, the oil spill, you’ve got Times Square, you’ve got floods in Nashville, I think they responded with reasonable speed, but basically with a level of calmness, which is in his nature … This is a good time to have a president like Obama, who’s just steady.”

Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 15:58 (thirteen years ago) link

Working on the new book has strained his easygoing exterior. “It’s like the worst period of my life,” he says. He’s been getting by on four hours of sleep a night. He’s been writing in the basement a lot. Only there can he find solitude. He listens to movie soundtracks to help him concentrate. (Sense and Sensibility is good; he’s sick of Braveheart.)

After nearly three decades of writing, he’d expected the turmoil of churning out prose to fade away. It’s been the opposite. “I think gradually as I go through life I feel it more and more,” he says. “The failures hurt more. The anxiety ratchets up.” It’s not the material anxiety he writes about in magazines and books—kitchens, cars, grills. It’s a writerly anxiety. “The thirst for admiration is like the thirst for money—it’s never-ending,” he says. “You never get to the point where you say, I’ve had enough.”

Filmmaker, Author, Radio Host Stephen Baldwin (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 16:11 (thirteen years ago) link

Who admires him?

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 6 July 2010 16:33 (thirteen years ago) link

Dean Brooks does not quench Brooks' "thirst for admiration":

Demand siders did not believe that $150 billion in annual stimulus from the government could offset the contractionary impact of a reduction in annual spending by the private scctor of $1.2 trillion ($1.2 trillion > $150 billion). That is how demand siders explained the failure of the stimulus to have much impact in reducing the unemployment rate. Perhaps this explanation is too complicated for Mr. Brooks (he repeatedly complains about the high IQs of the demand siders), but it actually seems fairly straightforward. If he wants to be honest, he could at least say that he doesn't understand the demand siders' explanation, rather than asserting that demand siders do not have an explanation.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 6 July 2010 16:36 (thirteen years ago) link

Dean Baker that is

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 6 July 2010 16:37 (thirteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

This guy.

So I sit there in my green jacket, happily chewing on a Twizzler

balls and adieu (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link

He arrogantly thinks his watered-down conservative vision for the future is a 3rd path Democratic vision.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 27 July 2010 15:49 (thirteen years ago) link

god he sucks

horseshoe, Tuesday, 27 July 2010 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Rewriting history-- no mentions of Native Americans, slavery and robber barron excess

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/07/opinion/07brooks.html?th&emc=th

Next, Platt takes aim at the American dream. When Europeans first settled this continent, they saw the natural abundance and came to two conclusions: that God’s plan for humanity could be realized here, and that they could get really rich while helping Him do it. This perception evolved into the notion that we have two interdependent callings: to build in this world and prepare for the next.

...

The United States once had a Gospel of Wealth: a code of restraint shaped by everybody from Jonathan Edwards to Benjamin Franklin to Andrew Carnegie. The code was designed to help the nation cope with its own affluence. It eroded, and over the next few years, it will be redefined.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 14:34 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/12/opinion/12brooks.html?src=me&ref=general

Shocking. He attacks public sector unions and their alleged growth since the '50s without any facts supporting his charges. He also offers no facts re his fantasy '50s government.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link

OK, on second reading he offers a few facts, but they seem to be carefully chosen so as to ignore other ones.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 19:15 (thirteen years ago) link

Many of us would be happy to live with a bigger version of 1950s government: one that ran surpluses and was dexterous enough to tackle long-term problems as they arose. But we don’t have that government. We have an immobile government that is desperately overcommitted in all the wrong ways.

This situation, if you’ll forgive me for saying so, has been the Democratic Party’s epic failure.

This is stupid because Little Bush chose tax cuts rather than surpluses, so even Brooks' own party does the same thing.

Euler, Wednesday, 13 October 2010 19:20 (thirteen years ago) link

three months pass...

You can see a paragon of the Composure Class having an al-fresco lunch at some bistro in Aspen or Jackson Hole. He’s just back from China and stopping by for a corporate board meeting on his way to a five-hundred-mile bike-a-thon to support the fight against lactose intolerance. He is asexually handsome, with a little less body fat than Michelangelo’s David. As he crosses his legs, you observe that they are immeasurably long and slender. He doesn’t really have thighs. Each leg is just one elegant calf on top of another. His voice is so calm and measured that he makes Barack Obama sound like Sam Kinison. He met his wife at the Clinton Global Initiative, where they happened to be wearing the same Doctors Without Borders support bracelets. They are a wonderfully matched pair; the only tension between them involves their workout routines. For some reason, today’s high-status men do a lot of running and biking and so only really work on the muscles in the lower half of their bodies. High-status women, on the other hand, pay ferocious attention to their torsos, biceps, and forearms so they can wear sleeveless dresses all summer and crush rocks with their bare hands

From his New Yorker article.

Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 January 2011 19:19 (thirteen years ago) link

was he furiously jacking off as he wrote that?

mekka lekka hi mega-hiney hoes (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 January 2011 19:26 (thirteen years ago) link

That shocking expose took a lot of courage! Next up: a hard-hitting look at why Texas barbecue is better than Vermont barbecue.

Aimless, Friday, 14 January 2011 19:26 (thirteen years ago) link

When I saw the table of contents, my first thought was, nah, this must be some other David Brooks, right? Then I recalled he wrote that one book that people once talked about before he became an OpEd hack, and wondered: would the New Yorker really give this joker (benign though he may be) a platform for his latest branding exercise? (Answer: alas, yes.)

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 14 January 2011 19:29 (thirteen years ago) link

High-status women, on the other hand, pay ferocious attention to their torsos, biceps, and forearms so they can wear sleeveless dresses all summer and crush rocks with their bare hands

Steely Dan lyric circa Gaucho.

Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 January 2011 19:33 (thirteen years ago) link

That's actually the better part of the article.

David Brooks obsessively writes about this supposed "class" that I suspect encompasses maybe 1000-10,000 people in the US?

hey boys, suppers on me, our video just went bacterial (Hurting 2), Friday, 14 January 2011 19:35 (thirteen years ago) link

I wonder if he could name 10. I mean he's a journalist so he should be able to, right?

bnw, Friday, 14 January 2011 19:48 (thirteen years ago) link

Like how many couples have actually met at the Clinton Global Initiative?

hey boys, suppers on me, our video just went bacterial (Hurting 2), Friday, 14 January 2011 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link

I like the obvious moves to make sure you know this a LIBERAL rich person, so class warfare is a-okay.

bnw, Friday, 14 January 2011 19:53 (thirteen years ago) link

This part, otoh, is some of the worst garbage I've ever read in the New Yorker. It's like sub-sub-Gladwell bullshit:

-----

Harold and Erica got their first glimpse of each other in front of a Barnes & Noble. They smiled broadly as they approached, and a deep, primeval process kicked in. Harold liked what he saw, from the waist-to-hip ratio to the clear skin, all indicative of health and fertility. He enjoyed the smile that spread across Erica’s face, and unconsciously noted that the end of her eyebrows dipped down. The orbicularis-oculi muscle, which controls this part of the eyebrow, cannot be consciously controlled, so, when the tip of the eyebrow dips, that means the smile is genuine, not fake.

Erica was impressed by him: women everywhere tend to prefer men who have symmetrical features and are slightly older, taller, and stronger than they are. But she was more guarded and slower to trust than Harold was. That’s in part because, while Pleistocene men could pick their mates on the basis of fertility cues discernible at a glance, Pleistocene women faced a more vexing problem. Human babies require years to become self-sufficient, and a single woman in that environment could not gather enough calories to provide for a family. She was compelled to choose a man not only for insemination but for continued support. That’s why men leap into bed more quickly than women. Various research teams have conducted a simple study. They hire a woman to go up to college men and ask them to sleep with her. More than half the men say yes. Then they have a man approach college women with the same offer. Virtually zero per cent say yes.

So Erica was subconsciously looking for signs of trustworthiness. Marion Eals and Irwin Silverman, of York University, have conducted research suggesting that women are sixty to seventy per cent more proficient than men at remembering details from a scene. In the previous few years, Erica had used her powers of observation to discard entire categories of men as potential partners, and some of her choices were idiosyncratic. She rejected men who wore Burberry, because she couldn’t see herself looking at the same pattern on scarves and raincoats for the rest of her life. She viewed fragranced men the way Churchill viewed the Germans—they were either at your feet or at your throat. She would have nothing to do with men who wore sports-related jewelry, because her boyfriend should not love Derek Jeter more than her.

She looked furtively at Harold as he approached. Janine Willis and Alexander Todorov, of Princeton, have found that we make judgments about a person’s trustworthiness, competence, aggressiveness, and likability within the first tenth of a second. These sorts of first glimpses are astonishingly reliable in predicting how people will feel about each other months later. Erica noticed that Harold was good-looking but not one of those men who are so good-looking that they don’t need to be interesting. He was tall, which tends to inspire confidence; one study estimated that each inch of height corresponds to six thousand dollars of annual salary in contemporary America. Then he walked up and said hello.

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/01/17/110117fa_fact_brooks#ixzz1B2d0bDkr

hey boys, suppers on me, our video just went bacterial (Hurting 2), Friday, 14 January 2011 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link

this guy, he is the definition of vacuous ambition

ice cr?m, Friday, 14 January 2011 20:02 (thirteen years ago) link

David Brooks obsessively writes about this supposed "class" that I suspect encompasses maybe 1000-10,000 people in the US

strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 14 January 2011 20:05 (thirteen years ago) link

Responding to the above quote I butchered:

Brooks probably knows all 10,000 of these people because of the douchey pundit circles he runs in whilst the rest of america wonders what the fuck he is talking about.

strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 14 January 2011 20:06 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm going to write a takedown of Brooks called Bobophobia

hey boys, suppers on me, our video just went bacterial (Hurting 2), Friday, 14 January 2011 20:06 (thirteen years ago) link

creepy detached observation and thinly veiled resentment for being found unattractive by the opposite sex

bnw, Friday, 14 January 2011 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link

he want to get it on a higher level than everyone else to explain away his punchablity via envy

ice cr?m, Friday, 14 January 2011 20:11 (thirteen years ago) link

love how he backs this piece up with SCIENCE

assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 14 January 2011 20:36 (thirteen years ago) link

Various research teams have conducted a simple study. They hire a woman to go up to college men and ask them to sleep with her. More than half the men say yes. Then they have a man approach college women with the same offer. Virtually zero per cent say yes.

hold the phone what

goole, Friday, 14 January 2011 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link

oh god i can't wait to sit down with a cozy drink and read this

call all destroyer, Friday, 14 January 2011 20:39 (thirteen years ago) link

i want to see the script for that interaction, when the girl has to fess up that it's so not gonna happen

xp

goole, Friday, 14 January 2011 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link

hel-lo, ladies

http://exiledonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/david-brooks1.jpg

omar little, Friday, 14 January 2011 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link

for a minute I thought he was branching out into short stories

calstars, Friday, 14 January 2011 20:45 (thirteen years ago) link

not very symmetrical there David

calstars, Friday, 14 January 2011 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link

smile is fake, just look at that orbicularis-oculi

assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 14 January 2011 20:47 (thirteen years ago) link

He was tall, which tends to inspire confidence; one study estimated that each inch of height corresponds to six thousand dollars of annual salary in contemporary America.

this is true, and certainly applies to me, as I am 70 inches tall and make about $420,000 each year.

www.altavista.com (Z S), Friday, 14 January 2011 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link

shit i am underpaid

mookieproof, Friday, 14 January 2011 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link

I pity the poor New Yorker fact-checker who had to handle that article.

Zsa Zsa Gay Bar (jaymc), Friday, 14 January 2011 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link

author of the study:

http://i51.tinypic.com/2enw8hs.jpg

www.altavista.com (Z S), Friday, 14 January 2011 21:15 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah half the sources for this new yorker article are the sorts of things that other new yorker article http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/12/13/101213fa_fact_lehrer?currentPage=all was talking about.

difficult listening hour, Friday, 14 January 2011 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link

As I type, I'm listening to Brooks and that other unctuous bowl of Quaker Oats, E.J. Dionne.

Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 January 2011 21:23 (thirteen years ago) link

couldn't bring myself to read this and now I know that was the right decision - thanks for saving me the headache, guys.

I basically stopped reading Brooks column in the Times cause he's been doing a lot of ersatz Gladwell-style social psychology & now here he is in the NYer itself.

funny how that works.

hubertus bigend (m coleman), Saturday, 15 January 2011 12:41 (thirteen years ago) link

I can't wait for the mail on this

El Tomboto, Saturday, 15 January 2011 15:46 (thirteen years ago) link

"Mr. Brooks argument fails to account for the fact that several studies have indicated, with confidence, that he is a diseased, prolapsed asshole"

El Tomboto, Saturday, 15 January 2011 15:54 (thirteen years ago) link

"Occasionally, you meet a young, rising member of this class at the gelato store, as he hovers indecisively over the cloudberry and ginger-pomegranate selections, and you notice that his superhuman equilibrium is marred by an anxiety."

Stopped reading after this....

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, 15 January 2011 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link

Stopped reading and started stabbing.

Jesus Christ, the apple tree! (Laurel), Saturday, 15 January 2011 16:15 (thirteen years ago) link

No no I stopped and went to the gelato store.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Saturday, 15 January 2011 16:26 (thirteen years ago) link

young, rising member

symsymsym, Saturday, 15 January 2011 17:42 (thirteen years ago) link

The intro was like a Burt Stanton post.

hey boys, suppers on me, our video just went bacterial (Hurting 2), Saturday, 15 January 2011 18:44 (thirteen years ago) link

I probably already know the answer to this, but why are consumer items on sale the same store or supermarket still coded by class? And usually always by a rich media commentator/pundit/talking head douchebag (i.e. elite) who wants to attack "elites", since as mentioned upthread, class warfare is a-ok when aimed at left-leaning folks. The success of distribution networks from railworks & the Sears & Roebuck catalog to Walmart/Kroeger/insert your supermarket chain here onward.

Bobo does it here, too, with the exaggerated gelato remarks. Two other signposts/dogwhistles: "arugala", "latte." You've been able to get all three of these things in any American grocery store for over a decade. Mcdonalds has used that kind of lettuce in their salads for years. But somehow, if I choose _this_ head of lettuce over _that_ one sitting next to it on the same shelf and costing cents more per pound, _I'm_ somehow now a clueless elitist liberal toff? do these assholes even have _any_ idea how much Walmart rakes in on "organic"-labelled foods?!

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Saturday, 15 January 2011 23:14 (thirteen years ago) link

He made the Buffalo Beast's 50 Most Loathsome People of 2010:

25) David Brooks
Charges: The Bernie Madoff of American letters, every tortured construct and inaccurate assumption ever set to print by this annoyingly self-described “Bourgeoisie Bohemian” is a fraudulent attempt to justify why his house is more expensive than yours. Brooks couldn’t even wait for the bodies to cool after the Haiti earthquake before writing about how useless it is to send money because those voodoo-lovin’ savages simply can’t be helped.
Aggravating factor: “It’s time to find self-confident local leaders who will create No Excuses countercultures in places like Haiti, surrounding people—maybe just in a neighborhood or a school—with middle-class assumptions, an achievement ethos and tough, measurable demands.”
Sentence: Buried under rubble; cholera.

you think you're cool, but you read ick (Phil D.), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link

I can't stop laughing at this:

Haley Barbour: Looks like William Shatner if William Shatner ate a racist butter sculpture of William Shatner.

ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link

Ha -- Brooks also made Salon's list of worst journalists.

Gus Van Sotosyn (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 20:32 (thirteen years ago) link

"Occasionally, you meet a young, rising member of this class at the gelato store, as he hovers indecisively over the cloudberry and ginger-pomegranate selections,
and you notice that his superhuman equilibrium is marred by an anxiety."

Old man yells at cloudberry.

hey boys, suppers on me, our video just went bacterial (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link

Why is Brooks occasionally meeting these guys at the gelato store anyway is that some sort of code?

hey boys, suppers on me, our video just went bacterial (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link

wide stance, double scoop etc

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 20:34 (thirteen years ago) link

Creamy taste, throat-soothing texture, free samples

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 21:01 (thirteen years ago) link

Various research teams have conducted a simple study. They hire a woman to go up to college men and ask them to sleep with her. More than half the men say yes. Then they have a man approach college women with the same offer. Virtually zero per cent say yes.

hold the phone what

― goole, Friday, 14 January 2011 20:38 (5 days ago)

this is actually true. Unlike 99% of Brooks' facts/"experiences."

Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 20 January 2011 00:00 (thirteen years ago) link

Driftglass--who does the Professional Left podcast--has a blog http://driftglass.blogspot.com/ that seems about 60% devoted to critiquing David Brooks' columns.

President Keyes, Thursday, 20 January 2011 00:19 (thirteen years ago) link

Then they have a man approach college women with the same offer. Virtually zero per cent say yes.

That man was David Brooks

hey boys, suppers on me, our video just went bacterial (Hurting 2), Thursday, 20 January 2011 00:23 (thirteen years ago) link

and now you know...

the rest

of the story

ex-heroin addict tricycle (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 January 2011 00:24 (thirteen years ago) link

"Practicing a piece of music for four hours requires focused attention, but it is nowhere near as cognitively demanding as a sleepover with 14-year-old girls."

symsymsym, Thursday, 20 January 2011 03:26 (thirteen years ago) link

wise words, no doubt based on painful experience, from his latest column about amy chua

symsymsym, Thursday, 20 January 2011 03:27 (thirteen years ago) link

read way too much of the stupid article before looking at the author's name

iatee, Thursday, 20 January 2011 03:37 (thirteen years ago) link

i tried to finish this. i really did.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 29 January 2011 18:44 (thirteen years ago) link

Can't we start a Kickstarter fund to round up David Brooks and Caitlin Flanagan, lock them in a shipping container and drop it into the Marianas trench?

that's not funny. (unperson), Saturday, 29 January 2011 20:24 (thirteen years ago) link

*donates ten dollars*

ice cr?m, Sunday, 30 January 2011 04:01 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...

timoreilly Tim O'Reilly
David Brooks wants to be a comedian at #TED2011. Audience is laughing, but I'd have preferred some substance.
4 minutes ago

hodgman hodgman
Brooks describes Park Slope and thinks he's describing america. #TED
5 minutes ago

Bill_Gross Bill Gross
"Ben and Jerry's should make a pacifist's toothpaste. Doesn't kill germs, just asks them to leave." David Brooks @ #TED
5 minutes ago

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 19:54 (thirteen years ago) link

Why would Ben and Jerry make toothpaste in the first place.

reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 19:55 (thirteen years ago) link

cause you can eat more ice cream if you brush your teeth

iatee, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link

Damn corporations are always a step ahead of me. :(

reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link

i get conservatives' fascination and disgust with well-off liberals but i'll never get their blind inability to comprehend them in the slightest. it's like they're staring at the sun. they're not that hard to figure out, guys! you don't need david damn brooks interpreting for you.

goole, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link

well even accepting their existence requires breaking w/ their core beliefs - "why would any rich/successful person advocate for higher taxes / bigger government / anything that might work against their immediate interests? that's just not human nature." the only explanation is that they must be literally insane.

iatee, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link

Bill_Gross Bill Gross
After Chris apologizes for inviting right-of-center David Brooks, he gets a mild standing ovation in the first session of #TED.
2 minutes ago

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link

Bill_Gross Bill Gross
Now Chris is trying to define what a #Stnading #Ovation is supposed to be for. #TED Also tells us not to stand if we don't want. #NoDuh?
1 minute ago

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:04 (thirteen years ago) link

david brooks broke #TED

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:04 (thirteen years ago) link

well tbf 'we' get similarly weird about poor right-wingers... but the explanation is basically the same. beliefs r funny.

goole, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:05 (thirteen years ago) link

xps

goole, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:05 (thirteen years ago) link

I don't get weird about them, I just think they're venal and hard-of-thinking.

anna sui generis (suzy), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:06 (thirteen years ago) link

sorta...but I mean, it's lol/sad that most of america votes against their economic interests, but that doesn't destroy my basic economic logic cause I don't believe in a world where people are acting completely on self-interest. there is something of a difference there.

iatee, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link

People who act in complete self-interest are generally great big sociopathic drains on the rest of society.

anna sui generis (suzy), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:11 (thirteen years ago) link

to turn it around, i guess i mean more than just voting behavior. conservatives looking at rich liberals suffer from some kind of total incomprehension. the jokes don't even make sense. the logic of what's 'hypocritical' doesn't make sense. the resentment doesn't make sense, considering their own leaders. the whole thing is bizarre.

you just want to say, no really, believing in civil rights, gay rights, a fair shot for everyone, full bodily right for women, a decent regulatory state, religious ideas kept to the private sphere, a frank and adult culture... people just believe this stuff! even some rich people! it's pretty simple!

goole, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 20:16 (thirteen years ago) link

Words designed to chill the heart:

David Brooks introduces a new blog in which he hopes to publicize, discuss and evaluate new work in the study of human nature

Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 March 2011 15:24 (thirteen years ago) link

http://grab.by/9kJ1

why do humans keep punching me

ice cr?m, Monday, 7 March 2011 15:25 (thirteen years ago) link

The secret to good writing is to write about things you're passionate about imo

http://brooks.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/03/07/the-thrill-of-victory/

reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 21:22 (thirteen years ago) link

I just discovered this old article via a Tom Scocca link. A great point-by-point takedown of the Brooks method. Includes Brooks's whiny rebuttal.

http://www.phillymag.com/articles/booboos_in_paradise/

Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Friday, 18 March 2011 09:10 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...

http://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2011/05/03/christopher-tayler/yo-douche-bag/

joe, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 23:34 (twelve years ago) link

Jeez

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 May 2011 23:42 (twelve years ago) link

^^^deserves a poll imo

mookieproof, Thursday, 5 May 2011 09:09 (twelve years ago) link

David Aaronovitch performs a great hatchet job on Brooks in the Times today. Final paragraphs:

The result is that the book explains everything and absolutely nothing. What makes the person that is you, as opposed to the person that is your brother or sister or your neighbour, is missing. Do we really pick our partners because of facial symmetry as Brooks avers, or is there something deeper at work? But what can you expect from a book supposedly about the unconscious, but whose index doesn’t even include the words hate, envy, guilt or dreams?

And “murder” appears only once, on page 8. After ploughing through 400 pages of superficial scientism masquerading as wisdom, I felt that was not enough.

Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Friday, 6 May 2011 07:56 (twelve years ago) link

god, what a treasure trove of display names

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 6 May 2011 09:26 (twelve years ago) link

Link?

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Friday, 6 May 2011 15:14 (twelve years ago) link

Like most women, she got lubricated even while looking at nature shows of animals copulating

I mean, what

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Friday, 6 May 2011 16:58 (twelve years ago) link

I feel like this book could be a career-ender for David Brooks. I mean a man can hope, right?

bin caught laden (Hurting 2), Friday, 6 May 2011 17:02 (twelve years ago) link

I’m writing this story, first, because while researchers in a wide variety of fields have shone their flashlights into different parts of the cave of the unconscious, much of their work is done in academic silos.

we need someone out there livin' the life to tell us how shit is really going down.

http://i.imgur.com/lHiZ2.jpg

You Get Hoynes (bnw), Friday, 6 May 2011 17:24 (twelve years ago) link

Like most women, she got lubricated even while looking at nature shows of animals copulating
I mean, what

― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Friday, May 6, 2011 4:58 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark

studies have shown

difficult listening hour, Friday, 6 May 2011 17:25 (twelve years ago) link

^^^ a Reagan quote

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 May 2011 17:27 (twelve years ago) link

much of their work is done in academic silos.

As opposed to the real world of upper class Washington DC suburb Bethesda

curmudgeon, Friday, 6 May 2011 17:49 (twelve years ago) link

I'll admit this made me want to read at least part of the book:

Imagine a man who buys a chicken from the grocery store, manages to bring himself to orgasm by penetrating it, then cooks and eats the chicken.

I didn't link the Times review kingfish, because it's behind a paywall.

Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Friday, 6 May 2011 18:31 (twelve years ago) link

the next sentence: "Just imagine it for a second. Isn't that shit fucked up? Damn!"

bin caught laden (Hurting 2), Friday, 6 May 2011 18:39 (twelve years ago) link

Oh, NYT, that Times. Ok.

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Friday, 6 May 2011 18:48 (twelve years ago) link

No, London Times is behind a paywall too. Shame, because it's a great review that deserves to be passed around and around the web until it makes David Brooks cry.

Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Saturday, 7 May 2011 21:42 (twelve years ago) link

can somebody copy/paste here?

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Sunday, 8 May 2011 01:06 (twelve years ago) link

My colleague Rachel Sylvester revealed, in The Times this week, that Tory politicians have been reading David Brooks’ new book with avidity. One minister thinks it informs the reader what the Big Society really is. Another believes that it sets the framework for 21st-century Conservatism. A Cabinet minister told Rachel that The New York Times columnist’s effort was “the best description of Cameron-style Conservatism I’ve read”.

My bad self hopes it is true that the book is made compulsory reading for ministers. I can then imagine them attempting to live their lives according to its blizzard of banal insights, such as this one: “Marriage expert John Gottman argues that in a healthy relationship the partners make five positive comments to each other for every negative one.” If you spot George Osborne out and about with Mrs Osborne and he appears to be counting under his breath, you’ll know that it isn’t the deficit he’s calculating, but whether he’s managed to hit the “healthy relationship” comment ratio.

There are no bigger, fatter, more straw-filled Aunt Sallies these days than the idea that most of us somehow believe that Man lives by bread alone. We are supposedly in thrall to the notion of pure homo economicus, so that we require Lord Layard of Happiness or the odd American columnist to tell us, forcefully, that the latest research suggests that there is more to human beings than Gross Domestic Product. Because, of course, bringing up our kids, falling in and out of love, suffering loss and celebrating birth, we didn’t know all this.

Of course we did. If politicians stopped to read a novel every once in a while, or had time to watch the television, they’d realise that their fellow citizens are fully aware of how complicated it is to be human.

This book, written by a celebrated columnist who has a gift for epithet and catchphrase (I liked “sanctimommies” for a certain kind of competitive parent), works by citing some aspect of almost every psychological and neuroscientific study you’ve seen in newspapers for the past 30 years over the course of 400 pages. Perhaps that is the attraction to busy ministers.

Aware that such mass citation would make for an arid, example-strewn waste of a book, Brooks had the idea of creating two characters, Harold and Erica, on to whose conjoined lives the facts and speculations could be stuck, like a forest of Post-it Notes. So two deeply unsympathetic, professional middle-class Americans become the spattered vehicles for a mass of what I can only call semi-scientific stuff.

Some of it seems robust, some obvious, some intriguing, some utterly speculative, some absurd, some nothing more than anecdotal. Some of it leads somewhere, much of it doesn’t.

Surveys, studies, experiments in evolutionary psychology, behavioural psychology and neuroscience do service alongside stories of what Benjamin Franklin did to become a great writer (a celebrity — that’s news to me) and riffs on such revolutionary themes as practice makes perfect.

Although the ostensible theme is the human unconscious mind, what characterises the book is a sunny determinism. If we can only isolate and understand the chemical workings of the body (unconscious because we are not conscious of them) then we have the trick of it.

The result of this approach can only be described as grisly. Take this, from when Erica and Harold’s childless marriage goes through a tough time. Brooks sends himself off on a journey through the mind of a middle-aged woman. He quotes at length from a neuropsychiatrist called Louann Brizendine, who theorises that a middle-aged woman becomes difficult because she starts wanting to please herself. Why? “With her estrogen down, her oxytocin is down too . . . and she’s getting less of a dopamine rush from the things she did before, even talking with her friends. She’s not getting the calming oxytocin reward of tending and caring for her little children . . .” Fortunately, short of offering oxytocin supplements, we already know the answer on how husbands should deal with this. Make sure your positive comment ratio doesn’t fall below 5:1.

The result is that the book explains everything and absolutely nothing. What makes the person that is you, as opposed to the person that is your brother or sister or your neighbour, is missing. Do we really pick our partners because of facial symmetry as Brooks avers, or is there something deeper at work? But what can you expect from a book supposedly about the unconscious, but whose index doesn’t even include the words hate, envy, guilt or dreams?

And “murder” appears only once, on page 8. After ploughing through 400 pages of superficial scientism masquerading as wisdom, I felt that was not enough.

Pop is superior to all other genres (DL), Monday, 9 May 2011 14:00 (twelve years ago) link

When I first saw that picture I was sure it was Photoshopped. Too fucking funny.

that's not funny. (unperson), Monday, 16 May 2011 20:44 (twelve years ago) link

Ned, you and I read Sully at the same time.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 14:48 (twelve years ago) link

This thread title is really one of those evergreen phrases, applicable to the end of time.

Aimless, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 19:32 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/05/24/brooks/index.html

Greenwald discusses how Brooks just visited the UK and wrote this:

Britain is also blessed with a functioning political culture. It is dominated by people who live in London and who have often known each other since prep school. This makes it gossipy and often incestuous. But the plusses outweigh the minuses

Needless to say Greenwald does not agree and he also dissects some older David Brooks quotes

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 16:46 (twelve years ago) link

Ned, you and I read Sully at the same time.

Well, yeah.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 May 2011 16:49 (twelve years ago) link

Imagine a man who buys a chicken from the grocery store, manages to bring himself to orgasm by penetrating it, then cooks and eats the chicken.

In my head it's Dave Chappelle saying this

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 16:52 (twelve years ago) link

"Do you know how hard it is to cum inside a chicken?"

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 25 May 2011 16:53 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

Shortly after the midterm elections, the New York Times’ David Brooks insisted that Republicans were feeling “modest and cautious.” They’re “sober,” Brooks said, adding that the GOP wouldn’t “overreach.” Republican leaders, Brooks assured readers, were “prepared to take what they can get, even if it’s not always what they would like.”

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 14:42 (twelve years ago) link

Which is exactly why Dems shouldn't be rushing to praise his judgement now that he's singing their tune

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 14:51 (twelve years ago) link

He shouldn't be even given legitimacy, but since he's on NPR and PBS and in the NY Times and book stores, some Dems jumped favorably on his recent comments attacking Republicans so they can say "look even David Brooks says they're crazy"

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 15:24 (twelve years ago) link

when you praise the judgement of someone you have always lambasted for having terrible judgement, what does that say about your judgement?

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 15:25 (twelve years ago) link

I agree with you if people are praising him. But I also think that some people on the Rolling US politics thread who may have referred to his more recent comments realize that Brooks is an idiot, even while they quote him. Some people may be quoting him but not praising him.

I think Obama should refer to Reagan raising taxes as part of a debt deal as a debate strategy in the current mess, even if I despise Reagan.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 15:58 (twelve years ago) link

When he tries to be a high-brow Tom Friedman he also can be so annoying:

"These three groups — bankers, Democratic Keynesians and staunch Republicans — have one thing in common: They all believe they have identified the magic lever.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 16:14 (twelve years ago) link

I'd be surprised if krugman didn't hate brooks but you don't need to imagine some silly grudge about a magazine cover to understand why.

iatee, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 12:36 (twelve years ago) link

Shortly after the midterm elections, the New York Times’ David Brooks insisted that Republicans were feeling “modest and cautious.” They’re “sober,” Brooks said, adding that the GOP wouldn’t “overreach.” Republican leaders, Brooks assured readers, were “prepared to take what they can get, even if it’s not always what they would like.”

― curmudgeon, Tuesday, July 12, 2011 10:42 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

haha

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 12:40 (twelve years ago) link

they need to make a slapstick comedy based on david brooks life where this random mr. bean type falls his way up to prestigious journalist positions

iatee, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 12:49 (twelve years ago) link

http://i54.tinypic.com/2rrmjnq.jpg

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 12:54 (twelve years ago) link

haha

max, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 13:01 (twelve years ago) link

probably not going to watch this, but http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/22/war-of-the-rose/

circles, Saturday, 23 July 2011 01:18 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/opinion/brooks-obama-rejects-obamaism.html

We’re not going to simplify the tax code, but by God Obama’s going to raise taxes on rich people who give to charity! We’ve got to do something to reduce the awful philanthropy surplus plaguing this country!

Oh, pleeez.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 13:23 (twelve years ago) link

Pareene:

Brooks goes on to write that Obama is "sounding like the Al Gore for president campaign, but without the earth tones" and that his Monday address was "the kind of speech that sounded better when Ted Kennedy was delivering it."

This suggests that Obama is now embracing the ideologically polarizing rhetoric of losing national candidates -- which is very deceptive. He conveniently doesn't note that Obama is also sounding like ... candidate Obama, who (as Brooks' colleague John Harwood explained on Monday) addressed the issue of income inequality head-on while running for president. That the highest-earning 20 percent of Americans had seen their share of pretax income balloon by more than 50 percent between 1979 and 2007, Harwood wrote, "drove (Obama's) campaign platform on taxes and still drives his policy in the White House."

Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 13:25 (twelve years ago) link

not pareene, the other dude

By Steve Kornacki

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 13:40 (twelve years ago) link

parnee by steve kornacki, available at finer blogs everywhere

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 13:56 (twelve years ago) link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_charitable_countries

The world's most charitable countries, for the purposes of this page, give the most money to help the needy of their societies and others through public (government) donations . . . the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development also lists countries by the amount of money they give as a percentage of their gross national income. The list includes international giving through official channels that qualify as Official Development Assistance, and national charitable giving. This list is as follows:

1. Sweden – 1.12%
2. Norway – 1.06%
3. Luxembourg – 1.04%
4. Pakistan – 1.00%
5. Denmark – 0.88%
6. Netherlands – 0.82%
7. Belgium – 0.55%
8. Finland – 0.54%
9. Ireland – 0.54%
10. United Kingdom – 0.52%
11. France- 0.47%
12. Spain – 0.46%
13. Switzerland – 0.45%
14. Germany – 0.35%
15. Canada – 0.30%
16. Austria – 0.30%
17. Australia – 0.29%
18. New Zealand – 0.28%
19. Portugal – 0.23%
20. United States – 0.21%
21. Greece – 0.19%
22. Japan – 0.18%
23. Italy – 0.16%
24. South Korea – 0.10%

Fuck David Brooks.

Woolen Scjarfs (Phil D.), Tuesday, 20 September 2011 14:08 (twelve years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/ScFv6.jpg

wont you give to help fuck david brooks today

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 20 September 2011 14:14 (twelve years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Nothing makes David Brooks angrier than attacks on the top 1%. He wants you to believe that the mushy-headed DLC-like proposal by Matt Miller for a centrist 3rd party(that offers a bunch of conservative ideas and a few moderate Liberal ones) is better than OWS

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/11/opinion/the-milquetoast-radicals.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha212

Don’t be fooled by the clichés of protest movements past. The most radical people today are the ones that look the most boring. It’s not about declaring war on some nefarious elite. It’s about changing behavior from top to bottom. Let’s occupy ourselves.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 13:45 (twelve years ago) link

A group that divides the world between the pure 99 percent and the evil 1 percent will have nothing to say about education reform, Medicare reform, tax reform, wage stagnation or polarization.

UH

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 13:47 (twelve years ago) link

Notice the revolting way in which he drops a smear and moves on:

Take the Occupy Wall Street movement. This uprising was sparked by the magazine Adbusters, previously best known for the 2004 essay, “Why Won’t Anyone Say They Are Jewish?” — an investigative report that identified some of the most influential Jews in America and their nefarious grip on policy.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 13:51 (twelve years ago) link

Both of those quotes make little sense. Plus he says:

The policy proposals that have been floating around the Occupy Wall Street movement — a financial transfer tax, forgiveness for student loans — are marginal.

But he strongly endorses Miller's call to "raise capital requirements for banks"

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 13:52 (twelve years ago) link

"Let’s occupy ourselves" <--- stirring

mark s, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 13:53 (twelve years ago) link

lol

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 13:56 (twelve years ago) link

"The most radical people today are the ones that look the most boring."

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/09/16/opinion/Brooks_New/Brooks_New-articleInline.jpg

Disraeli Geirs (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 14:24 (twelve years ago) link

tbf, Adbusters did publish a pretty anti-semitic article from the EIC of the magazine and then defended it the next issue. i don't know what that has to do with OWS except to try and delegitimize it, but I think being wary of Adbuster activity is appropriate reaction

Mordy, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 14:48 (twelve years ago) link

adbusters and david brooks deserve each other

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 14:52 (twelve years ago) link

Krugman -

I read David Brooks citing the Tax Foundation this morning, and I thought he must have misread them. They couldn’t possibly have compared one year’s take from higher taxes on the rich with the total stock of debt, could they? They can’t possibly be that stupid, or think that their readers are that stupid, can they?

Yes they did. They actually find that their version of the “Buffett rule” would collect $120 billion a year, which is a seriously significant sum. But they try to make it look small by comparing one year’s revenue with the total debt outstanding.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 15:14 (twelve years ago) link

lol what dicks

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 15:20 (twelve years ago) link

david brooks can you speak at my teach in why because you look boring

Disraeli Geirs (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 15:37 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

Foreign tourists are coming up to me on the streets and asking, “David, you have so many different kinds of inequality in your country. How can I tell which are socially acceptable and which are not?”

This is an excellent question. I will provide you with a guide to the American inequality map to help you avoid embarrassment.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 11 November 2011 13:10 (twelve years ago) link

he's got the Nordlinger-esque faux-naif bit down pat.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 11 November 2011 13:10 (twelve years ago) link

Because we were all waiting for David Brooks to weigh in on Paterno

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/15/opinion/brooks-lets-all-feel-superior.html?src=recg

pass the duchy pon the left hand side (musical duke) (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 03:34 (twelve years ago) link

We live in a society oriented around our inner wonderfulness.

a sentence like this could only have been written by someone who thinks of himself as utterly not wonderful inside.

which would be uncharacteristically perceptive of him.

j., Wednesday, 16 November 2011 06:06 (twelve years ago) link

guys why did i just start arguing on facebook with somebody who endorsed this column? why?

horseshoe, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 06:06 (twelve years ago) link

back away slowly

i love pinfold cricket (gbx), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 06:20 (twelve years ago) link

haha this column is such a mess

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 14:03 (twelve years ago) link

Over the course of history — during the Holocaust, the Rwandan genocide or the street beatings that happen in American neighborhoods — the same pattern has emerged. Many people do not intervene. Very often they see but they don’t see.

lol none of these things are at all like what happened

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 14:04 (twelve years ago) link

Even in cases where people consciously register some offense, they still often don’t intervene. In research done at Penn State and published in 1999, students were asked if they would make a stink if someone made a sexist remark in their presence. Half said yes. When researchers arranged for that to happen, only 16 percent protested.

In another experiment at a different school, 68 percent of students insisted they would refuse to answer if they were asked offensive questions during a job interview. But none actually objected when asked questions like, “Do you think it is appropriate for women to wear bras to work?”

because when someone makes a sexist comment a child gets raped

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 14:05 (twelve years ago) link

i wouldve stopped genocides and hypothetical generic events that threaten my own physical well being but i didnt want to harsh the good vibes

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 14:06 (twelve years ago) link

The Kitty Genovese case from the ’60s is mostly apocryphal, but hundreds of other cases are not.

there is a famously untrue story, dont u feel guilty now

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 14:08 (twelve years ago) link

In centuries past, people built moral systems that acknowledged this weakness. These systems emphasized our sinfulness. They reminded people of the evil within themselves. Life was seen as an inner struggle against the selfish forces inside. These vocabularies made people aware of how their weaknesses manifested themselves and how to exercise discipline over them. These systems gave people categories with which to process savagery and scripts to follow when they confronted it. They helped people make moral judgments and hold people responsible amidst our frailties.

a time when nothing bad ever happened surely, like... THE HOLOCAUST

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 14:09 (twelve years ago) link

That was the proper question after Abu Ghraib, Madoff, the Wall Street follies and a thousand other scandals. But it’s a question this society has a hard time asking because the most seductive evasion is the one that leads us to deny the underside of our own nature.

dood all these things were allowed to happen because people in power had a vested interest in having them happen, not because some guy thought he was wonderful

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 14:10 (twelve years ago) link

These systems emphasized our sinfulness. They reminded people of the evil within themselves. Life was seen as an inner struggle against the selfish forces inside.

yeah this was really awesome everyone felt frightened guilty and miserable all the time! if only we could bring that back!

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 14:11 (twelve years ago) link

His analogies don't clarify the context, and while a few of the examples he mentions are true, they don't justify his larger point. Maybe he should go back to his defense of protecting the 1 %, and justifying entitlement cuts. Oy.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 14:12 (twelve years ago) link

but people brimming terrified self loathing never do anything bad!

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 14:12 (twelve years ago) link

guys why did i just start arguing on facebook with somebody who endorsed this column? why?

― horseshoe, Wednesday, November 16, 2011 1:06 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

naw i fully support calling people on such obvs bullshit, otherwise youre as bad as hitler

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 14:13 (twelve years ago) link

You're endorsing your inner wonderfulness.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 14:14 (twelve years ago) link

he has a point though. if i saw david brooks being beaten on a street in an american neighborhood i would do nothing to intervene.

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 14:18 (twelve years ago) link

tbf that is something that happens nearly every day in our post moral society

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 14:19 (twelve years ago) link

if he was being genocided i would try to talk them down to a street beating.

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 14:21 (twelve years ago) link

lol berto

max, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 15:17 (twelve years ago) link

my facebook argument turned out to be quite civil, but i don't understand conservatives, basically.

horseshoe, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 15:38 (twelve years ago) link

Oh hs I nearly bopped a couple of people yesterday, and it wasn't even about David Brooks. I just don't understand how people can be the way they are at all.

It means why you gotta be a montague? (Laurel), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 15:47 (twelve years ago) link

i guess i don't even understand why she's still a conservative. she's a smart woman! she does have this very individual-oriented understanding of everything, though. her response to the Penn State scandal is despair at everyone's moral turpitude, basically. it just seems like a weird and off-base reaction to me.

horseshoe, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 15:52 (twelve years ago) link

conservatives! weirdos!

horseshoe, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 15:53 (twelve years ago) link

not believing theres such thing as society!

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 15:53 (twelve years ago) link

this just in: DAVID BROOKS IS STILL AN ASSHOLE.

scott seward, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 15:55 (twelve years ago) link

right? or power? i suspect she also really liked brooks's ows parody whatever the shit that was but i don't even want to get into that with her.

xp scott otm fuck that dude

horseshoe, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 15:56 (twelve years ago) link

Foreign tourists are coming up to me on the streets and asking, “David, you have so many different kinds of inequality in your country. How can I tell which are socially acceptable and which are not?”

if foreign tourists are seeking out david brooks for social guidance, our country is in worse condition that i could have ever feared

i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 15:58 (twelve years ago) link

but really i am just laughing at how bad and unwieldy and ridiculous the set-up is

this guy is supposed to be a writer

i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 16:01 (twelve years ago) link

i say this every time david brooks comes up but the amazing thing about him imo is that he is clearly not very bright! and not just in a "i never agree with this guy" way--he is a shallow and lousy critical thinker!

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 16:14 (twelve years ago) link

i know i always feel like his entire career is trolling America. this guy has a column in the nyt?

horseshoe, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 16:14 (twelve years ago) link

lol @ the concept of foreign tourists approaching david brooks and asking “David, you have so many different kinds of inequality in your country. How can I tell which are socially acceptable and which are not?”

i mean obvs this never happened, guy should be fired for making stupid things up

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 16:32 (twelve years ago) link

it's kind of some sad self-fanfic where he imagines he is known enough to be instantly recognized by "foreign tourists"

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 16:38 (twelve years ago) link

it fits w/ my image of him as thomas friedman's little brother

iatee, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 16:38 (twelve years ago) link

In centuries past, people built moral systems that acknowledged this weakness. These systems emphasized our sinfulness. They reminded people of the evil within themselves. Life was seen as an inner struggle against the selfish forces inside. These vocabularies made people aware of how their weaknesses manifested themselves and how to exercise discipline over them. These systems gave people categories with which to process savagery and scripts to follow when they confronted it. They helped people make moral judgments and hold people responsible amidst our frailties.

http://www.corwith-wesley.k12.ia.us/WebPage09/Scott/ArchieEdith.jpg

i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 17:49 (twelve years ago) link

that sentiment is so stupid i cannot even stand it

i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 17:54 (twelve years ago) link

the insidious thing about him is that bland geniality. especially on t.v. you can be lulled (to sleep) into thinking that he is being really reasonable and commonsensical until you wake up and actually listen and realize that he's a complete idiot. its easier to see in print obviously. i'm sure there are plenty of non-repubs who watch him on pbs and think that he's the kindler gentler conservative thst they kinda agree with sometimes. cuz in their heart of hearts they do think that people should just work harder and pull themselves up by their bootstraps and all that. he's still on pbs right? #nocablejustnetflix

scott seward, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:00 (twelve years ago) link

"kinder"

scott seward, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, Brooks is right, you'd never see that kind of white-washing and looking the other way in an organization based on traditional religious values.

xxp

o. nate, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link

moral systems that emphasize our sinfulness like, for example, catholicism

i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:08 (twelve years ago) link

he typically softens his conservatism using the shittiest of fluff psychology out there which makes it even more unappealing to me.

ain't nothing nice (bnw), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:14 (twelve years ago) link

he has a point though. if i saw david brooks being beaten on a street in an american neighborhood i would do nothing to intervene.

^^^

The Uncanny Frankie Valley (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:16 (twelve years ago) link

You guys aren't being honest with yourselves. Everyone knows that if they saw David Brooks being beaten they'd join in.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:18 (twelve years ago) link

how has mark shields never once just slapped the hell out of david brooks on air

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:23 (twelve years ago) link

all thats enough from you for now son

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:23 (twelve years ago) link

this is something i would like to see

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:23 (twelve years ago) link

would pay $$ to watch brooks grab mark shield's monstrous jowls and swing from them like a pundit monkey

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:23 (twelve years ago) link

hey now

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:27 (twelve years ago) link

what happens when pundits stop being polite and GET REAL

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:28 (twelve years ago) link

Online you can find videos of savage beatings, with dozens of people watching blandly.

i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:30 (twelve years ago) link

mark shield's monstrous jowls

i can't watch this guy anymore which is all for the best anyway

buzza, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:30 (twelve years ago) link

david brooks is so dumb he misuses simple adverbs.

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:31 (twelve years ago) link

I wonder what other kinds of videos david brooks can find online

The Uncanny Frankie Valley (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:33 (twelve years ago) link

No results found for "David Brooks beaten" youtube.

:(

The Uncanny Frankie Valley (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:33 (twelve years ago) link

pretty sure david brooks is our nation's highest authority on giving bland assent to horrible moral outrages

i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:36 (twelve years ago) link

why can't people just be NICE? why can't football just be football like it was in my day with the sadie hawkins day dance right around the corner and the gang playing grabass on the quad and the frat brothers wielding their paddles with a gentle urgency...

scott seward, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:47 (twelve years ago) link

god he looks like an unholy combination of pedant and pedo

https://www.nytexaminer.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/David-Brooks.jpeg

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 18:50 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

This fucking guy:

America is creative because of its moral materialism — when social values and economic ambitions get down in the mosh pit and dance. Santorum is in the fray.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 January 2012 12:47 (twelve years ago) link

Ew

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 6 January 2012 12:50 (twelve years ago) link

"But having said all that, I’m delighted that Santorum is making a splash"

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 6 January 2012 12:51 (twelve years ago) link

http://images.pictureshunt.com/pics/t/the_fray-4545.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 6 January 2012 12:56 (twelve years ago) link

David Brooks in a mosh pit: clutching his glasses close to his chest in a loose fist, being knocked around, cursing with frustration, and on the verge of tears

i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Friday, 6 January 2012 14:03 (twelve years ago) link

Main Street Republicans like Romney usually beat social conservatives like Santorum because there are just so many more of them in the Republican electorate.

hmmm.

2012 republican presidential nominee II: Hot, Ready and Legal! (will), Friday, 6 January 2012 14:11 (twelve years ago) link

i mean, surely Romney will beat Santorum, but *are* they more "Main Street" dudes (what the fuck ever that means at this point) than there are "social conservatives" in the GOP?

2012 republican presidential nominee II: Hot, Ready and Legal! (will), Friday, 6 January 2012 14:14 (twelve years ago) link

Vaguely pithy line:

I sometimes wonder if the Republican Party has become the receding roar of white America as it pines for a way of life that will never return.

Vaguely disturbing note:

I brought my 12-year-old son on this latest trip. My rule is that if a candidate can’t relate well to a 12-year-old, they’ll never win a general election. He approached all the candidates, and they were all wonderful except Gingrich. But that wasn’t Gingrich’s fault. My son, whose heroes include John Boehner and Tupac Shakur, picked an argument about gay marriage.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 15:53 (twelve years ago) link

I can't understand ANYONE naming John Frickin' Boehner as a hero. I don't care how old you are.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 15:54 (twelve years ago) link

I can't understand anyone naming a politician as a hero, and my comment isn't just snark.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 15:55 (twelve years ago) link

Eh, hero worship is where you find it, and why not politics. I would have thought one of the most singularly uncharismatic and barely-in-control-of-events Speakers of recent years would not rank with that status, though.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 16:00 (twelve years ago) link

Is Boehner appropriate for 12 year olds?!?

mh, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 16:29 (twelve years ago) link

well, santorum is appropriate for consenting adults

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 16:31 (twelve years ago) link

I don't even understand what "moral materialism" is?

extremely lewd and incredibly crass (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 16:37 (twelve years ago) link

other heroes of David Brooks, Jr: Haley Barbour and Nas

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 20:20 (twelve years ago) link

David Brooks's own heroes as a child: James Watt and Bootsy Collins

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 20:22 (twelve years ago) link

"Haley Barbour and Nas"

Hearing this to the rhythm of the "Jay, Biggie and Nas" line in "Where I'm From"

frogBaSeball (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 20:30 (twelve years ago) link

I sometimes wonder if the Republican Party has become the receding roar of white America as it pines for a way of life that will never return.

oh noes

demolition with discretion (m coleman), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 21:01 (twelve years ago) link

"sometimes" he "wonders" IF ? hello

demolition with discretion (m coleman), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 21:08 (twelve years ago) link

tbf it's only in his darkest moments of abject terror

“How you like that, Mr. Hitler!” (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 21:10 (twelve years ago) link

Democrats, meanwhile, have shifted their emphasis from lifting up the poor to pounding down the rich. Democratic candidates no longer emphasize early childhood education and community-building. Instead they embrace the pseudo-populist Occupy Wall Street hokum — the opiate of the educated classes.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/24/opinion/brooks-free-market-socialism-.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha212

Oy veh

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 24 January 2012 14:19 (twelve years ago) link

Dear NYT I will subscribe for life if you fire this fuck.

Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 15:42 (twelve years ago) link

the prob is if they fire him they'd hire someone even worse

iatee, Tuesday, 24 January 2012 15:43 (twelve years ago) link

i was just talking with some democrats the other day about early childhood education, and they were like pshh fuck that

Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 15:50 (twelve years ago) link

Pretty sure nytimes keeps David Brooks around as a real-life straw man conservative

mh, Tuesday, 24 January 2012 15:53 (twelve years ago) link

the prob is if they fire him they'd hire someone even worse

Yes.

Nicole, Tuesday, 24 January 2012 16:04 (twelve years ago) link

i'm not so sure. they hired william kristol, who demonstrated his contempt for the times by being a shitty columnist even by his own standards and taking its money for a year. i wonder if another marquee conservative wouldn't do basically the same.

Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 16:07 (twelve years ago) link

The subtext of that column seems to be that our economy is failing because not enough men are like David Brooks

frogBaSeball (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 16:25 (twelve years ago) link

Pareene's regular excoriations of Brooks are always a highlight of Salon

Put another Juggle in, in the Juggalodeon (kingfish), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 19:30 (twelve years ago) link

Democratic candidates no longer emphasize early childhood education and community-building. Instead they embrace the pseudo-populist Occupy Wall Street hokum — the opiate of the educated classes.

But this very much sums up the view of a certain segment of the moneyed right -- the idea that progressive taxation has nothing to do with the traditional goals of the Democratic party, but is in fact a means of "punishing" successful people -- as if the idea were to take away half their money and then set it on fire!

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 21:24 (twelve years ago) link

Hey, life is zero sum. If you don't believe me, ask a conservative.

mh, Tuesday, 24 January 2012 21:37 (twelve years ago) link

Pareene's regular excoriations of Brooks are always a highlight of Salon

― Put another Juggle in, in the Juggalodeon (kingfish), Tuesday, January 24, 2012 2:30 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Links plz!

frogBaSeball (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 21:48 (twelve years ago) link

I can think of some much more inventive punishments for "successful" people than just burning their money

Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 24 January 2012 21:53 (twelve years ago) link

Do you want to be an extremely "successful" person (as in you have a shit-ton of money) or do you want to live in a successful society where the actual success of those who do well in business reflect in the quality of the world you live in and enrich the communities responsible for generating that wealth and create a fertile environment for more successes?

People who think success is measured only in dollars they get paid are like kids who think about goal completion only in terms of how many cookies or toys they get

mh, Tuesday, 24 January 2012 22:02 (twelve years ago) link

Two of Pareene's bits:

http://www.salon.com/2010/11/22/hack_list_30/

Repeat offenses: armchair sociology, easy generalizations in lieu of research or analysis, boringness.

Representative quote:

“The magic is not felt by a lot of people. It’s not felt, obviously, by a lot of less educated people, downscale people. They just look at Obama, and they don’t see anything. And so, Obama’s problem is he doesn’t seem like the kind of guy who could go into an Applebee’s salad bar, and people think he fits in naturally there.”

(Note: Applebee’s does not have salad bars.)

http://www.salon.com/2011/12/15/12_david_brooks/

He can make a defense of racist demagoguing sound benign. He obfuscates and misleads on income inequality, while, as always, accusing those damned coastal liberal elites of disrespecting Real Americans. Accusing liberals of disrespecting Real Americans is one of Brooks’ go-to lines, even though there’s absolutely no evidence that he has any clue whatsoever how the middle and working classes live in America in 2011.

Everything, with Brooks, comes down to “values.” Bad things happen because of a lack of the correct “values,” and the correct “values” are essentially white upper-middle-class mid-20th-century bourgeois values. Poverty happens because the poor don’t have those values. Earthquakes happen because of a lack of those values. The sexual abuse of children happens because — you guessed it — America lost those important pre-’60s values. The abuses at Penn State, in Brooks’ worldview, went unreported because America has become “a society oriented around our inner wonderfulness.”

HACKIEST 2011 MOMENT:
That linked column on the abuses at Penn State was the sanitized version of Brooks’ comments on “Meet the Press,” in which he blamed both the failure to report the sexual abuses to the police and the riots following the firing of Joe Paterno more explicitly on “30 or 40 years” of “muddying the moral waters.” If it weren’t for women’s lib and the self-esteem movement, those kids could’ve been protected!

Put another Juggle in, in the Juggalodeon (kingfish), Wednesday, 25 January 2012 01:34 (twelve years ago) link

I blame Applebee's for not having salad bars.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 January 2012 01:36 (twelve years ago) link

"Applebees doesn't have salad bars" seems like an excellent one-line response to partisan hackery in itself

mh, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 01:56 (twelve years ago) link

if applebee's had salad bars america would be a much healthier country

iatee, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 01:57 (twelve years ago) link

I didn't know until recently that Applebees has a full bar!

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 January 2012 01:59 (twelve years ago) link

It is your neighborhood bar and grill, especially if your neighborhood is a shopping mall.

mh, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 02:05 (twelve years ago) link

I sometimes wonder if the Republican Party has become the receding roar of white America as it pines for a way of life that will never return.

This sentence is truly fucked up. I'm white, btw.

Aimless, Wednesday, 25 January 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link

I just watched the episode of 30 Rock where Donaghy and Lemon go to Stone Mountain Georgia to find a new cast member and it reminded me of David Brooks a bit

frogBaSeball (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 25 January 2012 18:28 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

It’s always interesting to read the quotations of people who knew a mass murderer before he killed. They usually express complete bafflement that a person who seemed so kind and normal could do something so horrific.

j., Tuesday, 20 March 2012 13:48 (twelve years ago) link

FUCK. You beat me to it.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:22 (twelve years ago) link

this is a really choice column. prime brooks facepalm.

j., Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:25 (twelve years ago) link

haha every time this thread is bumped I think "christ, what is it now, David Brooks?"

the prurient pinterest (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:41 (twelve years ago) link

He had a stupid one earlier in the week again imploring Obama to cut entitlements and debt and balance the budget now in a right-wing conservative manner, but which he redefines as moderate and sensible. It was formula David Brooks.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:46 (twelve years ago) link

According to this view, most people are naturally good, because nature is good.

Yawn. V tired of this conservative cliche about the materialist moral perspective.

(he did what!) (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:47 (twelve years ago) link

d brooks would like to disabuse you of the idea that people are naturally good, remember that we are all shameful pots of shit and sin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luobOzreRq4

i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:53 (twelve years ago) link

I thought the conservative cliché concerned how BAD people were.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:53 (twelve years ago) link

well, when it comes to the free market, people are naturally good
when it comes to what you do with your genitals, you simply can't be trusted

i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:56 (twelve years ago) link

two weeks pass...
three weeks pass...

Some people view politics like war. Others prefer to see it as a wooing dance. Which prism will win votes in 2012?

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 12:33 (eleven years ago) link

no, it's been a "flashpoint" for a major reduction in crime in America, studies suggest

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:19 (7 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ms Tum-Bla-Wi-Tee (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 12:35 (eleven years ago) link

, studies suggest

Ms Tum-Bla-Wi-Tee (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 12:35 (eleven years ago) link

life is good for this knucklehead(moving from Md suburb to DC):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/reliable-source/post/surreal-estate-david-brooks-moves-from-bethesda-to-cleveland-park/2012/05/06/gIQAs27Q6T_blog.html

Price: $3.95 million

Details: The New York Times op-ed columnist and wife Sarah are trading up — from their longtime home near Bethesda’s Burning Tree Club to a century-old (exquisitely renovated) five bedroom, four-and-a-half bath house in Cleveland Park. It includes a two-car garage, iron and stone fence, generous-sized porch and balcony, and what appear to be vast spaces for entertaining. The timing seems to have been right: After only a few days on the market, their old place (which also boasts five bedrooms) is under contract for $1.6 million.

By The Reliable Source

curmudgeon, Monday, 7 May 2012 15:40 (eleven years ago) link

Something seems especially unfair about some asshole being able to afford a $4 million house just because he happens to have lucked into being that asshole.

Scott, bass player for Tenth Avenue North (Hurting 2), Monday, 7 May 2012 15:53 (eleven years ago) link

And he is able to do so despite Obama not taking all of his advice on the deficit and such, and the NY Times cutting back on free views of their website.

curmudgeon, Monday, 7 May 2012 15:56 (eleven years ago) link

TBF I feel similarly about most major op-ed columnists. Unremarkable people who somehow managed to land and keep for themselves a gilded seat.

Scott, bass player for Tenth Avenue North (Hurting 2), Monday, 7 May 2012 16:02 (eleven years ago) link

^^^gets the respeck knuckles

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 20:36 (eleven years ago) link

Brooks columns are a cyclical problem.

Scott, bass player for Tenth Avenue North (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 20:42 (eleven years ago) link

took me 7 years to respond, b/c i react to any mention of David Brooks the way that an epileptic would react to a light show, but wtf:

no, it's been a "flashpoint" for a major reduction in crime in America, studies suggest

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 21 April 2005 14:19 (7 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol gabbneb using his own specious logic and uncited "authorities" to contest David Brooks's specious logic and uncited authorities.

Nu Metal is the best music there is, the rest is pussy shit. (Eisbaer), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 20:53 (eleven years ago) link

don't miss that guy a bit

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 20:54 (eleven years ago) link

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/david-brooks-structural-revolution-column-8682328

Another discussion of Brooks' new mansion and his recent attack on entitlement/welfare state spending

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 19:00 (eleven years ago) link

Apparently Krugman's been tearing apart Brooks' horseshit without ever actually mentioning the dude by name

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 19:16 (eleven years ago) link

TBF, while Brooks' horseshit is indeed horseshit, that Pierce takedown kind of misapprehends some key points about our economy. The finance industry didn't really wreck a perfectly good economy, they bubbled us out of a bad one by creating fake wealth, skimming the profits and then peacing out as it burst. There really are structural problems in our economy beyond the aftermath of mortgage securitization -- I don't think even Krugman would completely discount that.

Scott, bass player for Tenth Avenue North (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 19:47 (eleven years ago) link

I dream of him being dropped by the NY Times, NPR and PBS and seeing if it would give him a new perspective. But that's not gonna happen so I similarly just dream of someone telling him how absurd he is on some tv or radio talk show. But that also is not gonna happen.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:25 (eleven years ago) link

This paragraph at the end of Ezra Klein's response to Brooks' recent column gets it (emphasis mine):

It happens to be the case that Brooks likes Obama’s “hypercompetitive, restrained, not given to self-doubt, rarely self-indulgent” temperament, which is fine. But here he’s presented readers with a mystery that isn’t actually a mystery, and then told them, without evidence, that “most of the cause is personal” and “the key is [Obama’s] post-boomer leadership style.” Not that Brooks thinks that, or sees a case for it, but that that’s how it is. But it isn’t! Or, at the least, we have no evidence for it.

This is the feeling that I get listening to him on All Things Considered on Fridays. I think I get where he's trying to go but the logic is so convoluted and a lot of what he states as fact is really just incredibly misguided analysis. That plus his arrogance can be enraging.

all things must pass (shaane), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 17:23 (eleven years ago) link

I'm actually surprised he can afford a $4m house. How much can the Times possibly pay his columnists? His most recent book was a #1 bestseller, but at this point in history how much actual cash money does that translate into?

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:35 (eleven years ago) link

he's been around forever. dude is loaded.

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:39 (eleven years ago) link

He's been around forever but as far as I can tell he's only written three books. A book every 4 years just can't translate into that much income, can it? And surely even a plummy job writing a column once a week for the New York Times can't pay more than, I dunno, $200K. I'm still not seeing how it turns into $4m house money.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 18:55 (eleven years ago) link

TV appearances over the last 30 years

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:04 (eleven years ago) link

Atlantic Monthly, WSJ, NPR, Weekly Standard - that shit adds up

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:06 (eleven years ago) link

Speaker fees?

quincie, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:07 (eleven years ago) link

I always imagine dudes like him get "grants" from shady "think tanks" but that's basically something I made up so

this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:07 (eleven years ago) link

Dude is moving to my hood and I will run him down with my car if I get the chance.

quincie, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:08 (eleven years ago) link

it's also not super far from where I grew up. My synagogue was in Cleveland Park.

this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:19 (eleven years ago) link

holy crap, I think quincie is right. According to this:

http://speakermix.com/david-brooks

brooks gets $20-40K every time he shows up to give an hour talk and eat banquet chicken.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:22 (eleven years ago) link

Bobos in Paradise was a huge hit in 2000 and 2001; I worked in a bookstore then.

He can still use it as a memoir title.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 19:55 (eleven years ago) link

Adas Israel or Washington Hebrew?

Wonder which (if any) 'gogue the family Brooks attends.

quincie, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:01 (eleven years ago) link

AI

this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:10 (eleven years ago) link

Oh sweet. I have studied with rabbiAvIs MILL3r. Have also been in classes with some of the other AI rabbis. Too big/too conservative for me; also their mikveh reminds me of my high school locker room; wanna find something more "atmospheric" if I convert.

quincie, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 00:03 (eleven years ago) link

This is the story of a failed rescue, not vampire capitalism

Predictable column from him today defending venture capitalism with cherry-picked anecdotes and admissions that do not tell the whole story

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 15:13 (eleven years ago) link

so my local college alumni has a book club (which I've never participated in) and the book for June is bobos in paradise. I'm tempted to read it and go just for the horror.

catbus otm (gbx), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 20:26 (eleven years ago) link

Didn't read but I get the impression that maybe wrt that book he was sort of onto something for once. Athough it does sound like it has a touch of his trademark stealthy conservative spin.

this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 20:27 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah it's not so bad from what I recall (read many years ago before I actually became a bobo).

quincie, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 01:49 (eleven years ago) link

i detest Brooks, but Bobos in Paradise was not terrible

Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 02:01 (eleven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

DAVID BROOKS: Okay, so our act starts with us inflating a giant internet bubble. Then that collapses, taking the country's economy with it, just as we massively cut taxes on millionaires because, we say, if we don't the government will have too much money. Right after that we blow off warnings about terrorism and let 3,000 Americans get slaughtered. We use that as a chance to lie the U.S. into invading a country that had nothing to do with the attack, killing hundreds of thousands of people and turning millions into refugees. In the middle of all that we borrow torture techniques from the Inquisition and use them on people in secret sites around the planet. Then we make billions off another financial bubble, the biggest in human history, and do nothing as it collapses, plunging the world into the greatest economic calamity since the Great Depression. To fix that we open up the national bank vault and shovel out money as fast as possible to all the criminals who made it happen in the first place. Then—as the amazing finale—we refuse to prosecute anyone for that, for the war, or for torture, and we start killing U.S. citizens with flying death robots.

[LONG PAUSE]

AGENT: ...That's a hell of an act. What do you call it?

DAVID BROOKS: The Aristocrats!

Julie Derpy (Phil D.), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 17:23 (eleven years ago) link

Ha. I see that was prepared in response to an actual Brooks column that was cartoon-like:

http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/david-brooks-calls-for-dissolving-the-people

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 18:39 (eleven years ago) link

I liked atrios' post on this, http://www.eschatonblog.com/2012/06/authoritah.html

Pierce and others did much more elaborate takedowns of The Follower Problem column, but this is the shorter version of everybody. And I've finally been coming around to Black's incredibly venomous style in the past few months (maybe it was too much to bear when the US was the primary home of all grand fuckups and incompetent, unaccountable villainy, and now I can get into it because ~50% of his sniping is about Europe? I dunno) but the way he drops the last sentence in this particular post is just wonderful.

bullets

1. Brooks remains exceptionally good at providing labels. I suspect "follower problem" might have more legs than Bobo in the long run.

2. What would it take to get him fired? I live in DC. I feel a need to crash these cocktail parties where this motherfucker is something other than a bad joke. I know the village exists - I'm sure I've spent lots of time on the metro and in traffic, mere inches away from no-shit villagers - but what is this construct? how is the vacuum maintained?

El Tomboto, Thursday, 14 June 2012 02:24 (eleven years ago) link

Plant a tracker on Maureen Dowd perhaps.

Dreaming in Infrared (kingfish), Thursday, 14 June 2012 02:28 (eleven years ago) link

planting things on modo? am I a roomba? who would not be disgusted by this option?

I should just nab some addresses from these overpaid shitbirds' public property tax whatevers and show up with a shaker full of straight shitty whiskey and goat eyes for garnishes and see how far I get before they notice my suit is made of vegetables and not poor people

El Tomboto, Thursday, 14 June 2012 03:01 (eleven years ago) link

Brooks remains exceptionally good at providing labels. I suspect "follower problem" might have more legs than Bobo in the long run.

yeah i dunno, been reading him lately and wondering if people are still "following" him. like he's trying too hard with the conceptual term-coining

(REAL NAME) (m coleman), Thursday, 14 June 2012 09:44 (eleven years ago) link

x-post to El Tomboto

I thought Brooks' new DC digs were close to you? Maybe you will run into him somewhere

Here's a criticism of Brooks re his thoughts on the Gehry design for the Eisenhower memorial

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/arts-post/post/david-brookss-criticism-of-eisenhower-memorial-design-falls-short/2012/06/13/gJQAtUurZV_blog.html

curmudgeon, Thursday, 14 June 2012 17:21 (eleven years ago) link

His new digs are close to ME. Brooks is not cool enough to have digs close to tombot.

quincie, Thursday, 14 June 2012 17:22 (eleven years ago) link

david brooks, opinion leader

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2012/06/20/e-mails-show-uva-board-wanted-big-online-push

Another article -- this one forwarded from Kington to Dragas -- was the "The Campus Tsunami," by the New York Times columnist David Brooks, predicting massive change from the MOOCs, and also predicting that the new model will involve much more learning from professors who are not at the college or university a student attends.

(re the university of virginia board members' push for online courses, in connection with their firing the president of uva)

j., Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:15 (eleven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Bringing serious lols today. "(Elites) work much longer hours than people down the income scale, driving their kids to piano lessons and then taking part in conference calls from the waiting room."

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 13 July 2012 15:32 (eleven years ago) link

can't read anything of Brooks' without imagining him in this pose:

http://jewishachievementblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/40-david_brooks.jpg

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 July 2012 15:34 (eleven years ago) link

he's giving Christopher Hayes book some attention at least-

I’d say today’s meritocratic elites achieve and preserve their status not mainly by being corrupt but mainly by being ambitious and disciplined....

curmudgeon, Friday, 13 July 2012 16:11 (eleven years ago) link

feel like he really had trouble with that one, a lot of straining to reach the liberal boogeyman.

bnw, Friday, 13 July 2012 16:19 (eleven years ago) link

Man, I hope Elites carry towels with them to wipe off after those grueling fucking conference calls.

Marco YOLO (Phil D.), Friday, 13 July 2012 16:23 (eleven years ago) link

Like, has David Brooks ever worked a graveyard shift or lifted anything weighing more than 10 pounds in his entire life? Does he know anyone who does?

Marco YOLO (Phil D.), Friday, 13 July 2012 16:23 (eleven years ago) link

motherfuckers don't understand i'm doing work emails while in line at starbucks

bnw, Friday, 13 July 2012 16:29 (eleven years ago) link

when people talk about corruption and rigging the game they mean Kaplan test prep courses. i'm surprised the occupy kaplan movement hasn't taken off.

bnw, Friday, 13 July 2012 16:31 (eleven years ago) link

Like, has David Brooks ever worked a graveyard shift or lifted anything weighing more than 10 pounds in his entire life?

His butt?

Nothing cracks a turtle like Leeeon Uris (Leee), Friday, 13 July 2012 16:51 (eleven years ago) link

in today's column, he also uses the word "scrupulosity," which is defined as "a psychological disorder characterized by pathological guilt about moral or religious issues. It is personally distressing, objectively dysfunctional, and often accompanied by significant impairment in social functioning. It is typically conceptualized as a moral or religious form of obsessive–compulsive disorder (OCD), although this categorization is empirically disputable."

he meant "scrupulousness."

but you know, that's just my elite education showing.

for reasons of sass (the table is the table), Friday, 13 July 2012 23:48 (eleven years ago) link

Scruples are such tiny things that even the scrupulous overlook most of them.

Aimless, Saturday, 14 July 2012 01:04 (eleven years ago) link

four weeks pass...

http://www.phillymag.com/articles/booboos-in-paradise/

s.clover, Sunday, 12 August 2012 15:06 (eleven years ago) link

Kevin Drum re latest Brooks column on Romney/Ryan medicare plan:

As near as I can tell, the truth is almost exactly the opposite of what Brooks has written. He may not be impressed with Obama's plan, but that's not a good excuse for so badly misrepresenting what Romney and Ryan would do.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 21 August 2012 15:55 (eleven years ago) link

x-post--great piece.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 21 August 2012 16:04 (eleven years ago) link

his defense is that his writing is a joke. impenetrable.

bnw, Tuesday, 21 August 2012 16:12 (eleven years ago) link

today's brooks' op-ed begins with "Let’s say you’re generally a moderate voter." and peaks with "The priority in this election is to get a leader who can get Medicare costs under control. Then we can argue about everything else."

Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Tuesday, 21 August 2012 23:00 (eleven years ago) link

The purpose of the Republican convention is to introduce America to the real Mitt Romney. Fortunately, I have spent hours researching this subject. I can provide you with the definitive biography and a unique look into the Byronic soul of the Republican nominee:

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 11:15 (eleven years ago) link

I actually found this column moderately funny (ducks):

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/28/opinion/brooks-the-real-romney.html?_r=1&hp

look at this quarterstaff (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 15:22 (eleven years ago) link

It is (ducks also). But is Brooks mocking us as well as Romney?

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 15:34 (eleven years ago) link

I don't know what to make of that tbh

The Radioheads are massive in the Man community (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 15:37 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah that's the problem with Brooks. It should have a name, Brooksism or something -- that gutless, hide-the-ball kind of writing that makes you feel a little like you're talking to a narc.

look at this quarterstaff (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 15:41 (eleven years ago) link

seriously today's column is weird. i thought it was a media put-down - "see this is how the liberal media portrays poor mitt" - until the last line.

(REAL NAME) (m coleman), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 15:47 (eleven years ago) link

there are funny jokes in there - which is alarming enough - but yeah his motives for writing them is sort of inscrutable

The Radioheads are massive in the Man community (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 15:49 (eleven years ago) link

motives = are

stupid verbs

The Radioheads are massive in the Man community (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 16:01 (eleven years ago) link

I think it's all in the spirit of good-natured ribbing. These are pretty gentle zings - stuff that I'm sure Romney could chuckle over at a comedy roast. I think it fits pretty well with Brooks's attitude that Romney is a good candidate dogged by bad PR.

o. nate, Tuesday, 28 August 2012 19:25 (eleven years ago) link

He's no Dave Barry, thank Heaven.

ça GLIS aux pays de merveilles; châteaux de loirs (Michael White), Tuesday, 28 August 2012 19:49 (eleven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

what a tool...he didn't know this before the secret video? and he says at the end that he really thinks Willard is a good guy deep down? FU, Brooks

Iago Galdston, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 19:51 (eleven years ago) link

He was doing ok until this:

"Sure, there are some government programs that cultivate patterns of dependency in some people. I’d put federal disability payments and unemployment insurance in this category."

The vast, vast majority of people on unemployment do not want to be. They want a job.

One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 20:09 (eleven years ago) link

It's interesting to see Brooks reach the point where he stops trying to bend over backwards to be the compassionate, moderate, open-minded conservative while still playing for team Republican and when he finally decides he has to cut Mitt loose.

o. nate, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 20:32 (eleven years ago) link

those damn disabled people, always wanting a handout

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 20:33 (eleven years ago) link

Disability insurance is a source of moral hazard, dissuading the lame from healing thyselves.

look at this quarterstaff (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 20:37 (eleven years ago) link

It's interesting to see Brooks reach the point where he stops trying to bend over backwards to be the compassionate, moderate, open-minded conservative while still playing for team Republican and when he finally decides he has to cut Mitt loose.

― o. nate, Tuesday, September 18, 2012 4:32 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

hes allowed one of these heterodox columns every so often but really compassionate, moderate, open-minded conservative while still playing for team Republican or the more succinct republican apologist is his job he knows this and will carry on starting next column

lag∞n, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 20:39 (eleven years ago) link

I can't tell him and E.J. Dionne apart anymore :(

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 20:41 (eleven years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/25/opinion/brooks-the-conservative-mind.html?hp

Where do these fantasies come from?

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 12:05 (eleven years ago) link

x-post--In print E.J. is much more liberal while on NPR he and Brooks try to make nice.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 13:29 (eleven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/david-brooks-on-drugs-and-medicare

Dean Baker vs Brooks with a link to Brooks' piece yesterday on how the Romney Medicare proposal is better than the Dems because the Romney plan relies on the free market

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 15:46 (eleven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2012/11/todays-war-on-nate-silver-quiet-flows-the-don-edition.html

delong quoting someone else:

Brooks’ journalistic way of knowing

j., Thursday, 1 November 2012 17:44 (eleven years ago) link

Ha.

I thought you were going to be mentioning Brooks' absurd reasoning behind his endorsement of Romney.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/30/opinion/brooks-the-upside-of-opportunism.html?ref=opinion&_r=0

if Romney wins, we’re more likely to get bipartisan reform. Romney is more of a flexible flip-flopper than Obama. He has more influence over the most intransigent element in the Washington equation House Republicans. He’s more likely to get big stuff done.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 1 November 2012 18:30 (eleven years ago) link

get big stuff done get big stuff done get big stuff done get big stuff done get big stuff done get big stuff done get big stuff done get big stuff done get big stuff done get big stuff done

Aimless, Thursday, 1 November 2012 18:31 (eleven years ago) link

if anything needs getting done, it's big stuff

Spectrum, Thursday, 1 November 2012 18:32 (eleven years ago) link

America: who do you think u r?
Romney: mr. big stuff B-)

i've grown accustomed to her face tat (m bison), Thursday, 1 November 2012 22:42 (eleven years ago) link

two months pass...

'I certainly wasn't wrong about it provoking smart ass jibes.'

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 18:08 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2013/02/your-use-of-data-for-any-purpose-but-validating-david-brookss-lazy-intuitions-infuriates-david-brooks

On Brooks' attempt to argue with Nate Silver over baseball stats

The New Jack Mormons! (kingfish), Thursday, 21 February 2013 22:12 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

its incomprehensible.

scott seward, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 01:20 (eleven years ago) link

why isn't this guy recognized as the Murray Kempton of his generation

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 01:28 (eleven years ago) link

i think the nyt is just keeping him around now because it's rumored his head is filled with nougat and they're just waiting for the right moment to crack him open.

Spectrum, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 01:33 (eleven years ago) link

beautiful!

s.clover, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 04:03 (eleven years ago) link

Was waiting for this to be posted. I don't remember if Taibbi made the point that marriage necessarily implies few of the constraints Brooks presumes it does.

jaymc, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 04:44 (eleven years ago) link

incomprehensible yes and prematurely senile like kempton you bet and yet recognizable in the fog is a married-too-long middle age guy wondering about the "freedom" he was undoubtedly (in brooks case) too uptight to exercise/enjoy when he was single

screen scraper (m coleman), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 10:20 (eleven years ago) link

haha m@rk: I was being sarcastic (I love Kempton).

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 10:51 (eleven years ago) link

me too and i shouldnt have been disrespectful but those last few years in the ny post he was the oracular rambler

screen scraper (m coleman), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 11:41 (eleven years ago) link

and yet recognizable in the fog is a married-too-long middle age guy wondering about the "freedom" he was undoubtedly (in brooks case) too uptight to exercise/enjoy when he was single

This. If I was Mrs Brooks I would be making a bed for David on the sofa after reading his column.

media conglomerates are pedaling the same product (stevie), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 11:42 (eleven years ago) link

I'd be strapping one on.

alternately mean and handsy (Eric H.), Wednesday, 3 April 2013 12:24 (eleven years ago) link

A decaying social fabric, especially among the less fortunate.

Taibbi rightly picked up on the stupidity and uselessness of this statement

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 3 April 2013 15:42 (eleven years ago) link

three months pass...

"lack even the basic mental ingredients"

http://www.salon.com/2013/07/05/david_brooks_bigoted_rant/

playwright Greg Marlowe, secretly in love with Mary (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 6 July 2013 07:02 (ten years ago) link

Another blog re "mental equipment" phrase used twice by Brooks

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2013/07/david-brooks-is-racist-creep-by.html

Islamists might be determined enough to run effective opposition movements and committed enough to provide street-level social services. But they lack the mental equipment to govern.

curmudgeon, Monday, 8 July 2013 14:57 (ten years ago) link

A review of Charles Taylor's A Secular Age:

As someone who tries to report on the world of ideas, I’m going to try to summarize Taylor’s description of what it feels like to live in an age like ours, without, I hope, totally butchering it.

it gets better from there

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 July 2013 17:57 (ten years ago) link

i'll admit it, i look forward to David Brooks columns more than Krugman these days. i'm pretty sure he's some kind-of conceptual comedian like neil hamburger, and it just takes a while to get the joke.

Spectrum, Tuesday, 9 July 2013 18:06 (ten years ago) link

I don't want to give David Brooks any credit, but when I read "seems to lack even the basic mental ingredients," I thought he was criticizing the Egyptian people's mentality, not their brainpower. Which is obviously still ignorant as hell but it's not on the level of saying Egyptians are cognitively inferior to Americans.

crüt, Tuesday, 9 July 2013 18:25 (ten years ago) link

i initially thought that was up for intepretation, but you never know with him. he's sung the praises of Charles Murray so he's thrown his hat in with pop-sociology racists, but considering it's Brooks it could've been some ditzy, superficial make-u-think kinda shit.

Spectrum, Tuesday, 9 July 2013 18:36 (ten years ago) link

three weeks pass...

if only alex rodriguez hadn't sullied the noble sport of baseball with his unseemly lust for money:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/06/opinion/brooks-the-a-rod-problem.html?smid=tw-nytsports&seid=auto&_r=1&

mookieproof, Tuesday, 6 August 2013 04:37 (ten years ago) link

In response to which

http://deadspin.com/the-david-brooks-problem-1039691285

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 August 2013 14:17 (ten years ago) link

When he writes a column, he doesn’t seem like a man writing a column. He seems like a man giving a performance of writing a column.

first I think it's time I kick a little verse! (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 August 2013 14:20 (ten years ago) link

four months pass...

O WOW

lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 03:40 (ten years ago) link

I thought it was good!

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 17 December 2013 03:46 (ten years ago) link

what are you talking about?

flopson, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 03:47 (ten years ago) link

how everyone is a TED lecturer now when it used to be they aspired to be philosophers in Athens

tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Tuesday, 17 December 2013 03:50 (ten years ago) link

Give me two minutes and forty seconds and I'll explain it to you. Give me four minutes and thirty seconds and you'll be in tears.

signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 17 December 2013 03:52 (ten years ago) link

brooks read scocca while he was on vacation

lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 03:56 (ten years ago) link

http://media.mlive.com/grpress/news_impact/photo/david-brooksjpg-b2b8fa7c71cbd9dc_large.jpg

"Give me two minutes and forty seconds and I'll explain it to you. Give me four minutes and thirty seconds and you'll be in tears."

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 December 2013 04:37 (ten years ago) link

this is some andy rooney old man hates world because he senses his own mortality shit going on here.

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Tuesday, 17 December 2013 06:02 (ten years ago) link

I glanced at this thread right before bed and then dreamed about it. Brooks was speaking to a class, had long hair, vaguely Euro accent, and kicked a guy out for playing a marching sousaphone while he spoke.

andrew m., Tuesday, 17 December 2013 14:58 (ten years ago) link

bizzaro brooks

lag∞n, Tuesday, 17 December 2013 14:59 (ten years ago) link

two weeks pass...

ok what is it now

napgenius (goole), Friday, 3 January 2014 14:19 (ten years ago) link

something about weed? weed is bad? look i'm trying not to read it

napgenius (goole), Friday, 3 January 2014 14:19 (ten years ago) link

read is bad

its more of a yeah i used to do weed type piece is my understanding, did not read, read is bad

lag∞n, Friday, 3 January 2014 14:24 (ten years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/NfaUcgz.png

lag∞n, Friday, 3 January 2014 14:25 (ten years ago) link

in that case he must be stoned 24/7 right guys

lag∞n, Friday, 3 January 2014 14:25 (ten years ago) link

The host's reefer madness was applauded by CNBC host Jim Cramer, but a question from Mark Halperin led to the most telling moment of the discussion.

"Does drinking make you dumb?" Halperin asked, prompting an unusual silence from Scarborough and Cramer.

"I think in large amounts it makes you dumb," Scarborough finally conceded.

Scarborough said he saw firsthand the best minds of his generation destroyed by munchies.

"I played with a lot of guys in bands and on football teams that smoked pot all the time," Scarborough said.

i seen some dark shit man

lag∞n, Friday, 3 January 2014 14:27 (ten years ago) link

has someone posted a joke story about how they were in brookses choom gang and a black kid got wrongly busted for brookes weed and he was terrible and entitled about it and of course twitter thought it was real and got very upset

lag∞n, Friday, 3 January 2014 16:17 (ten years ago) link

would love to vape with david vrooks

you are kind, I am (waterface), Friday, 3 January 2014 16:18 (ten years ago) link

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/09/16/opinion/Brooks_New/Brooks_New-articleInline.jpg

i dont smoke weed anymore... i vape

lag∞n, Friday, 3 January 2014 16:20 (ten years ago) link

vapey brooks

you are kind, I am (waterface), Friday, 3 January 2014 16:21 (ten years ago) link

fuck david brooks

Mordy , Friday, 3 January 2014 16:41 (ten years ago) link

fucker looked like ian svenonious

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/stoner-david-brooks

napgenius (goole), Friday, 3 January 2014 16:41 (ten years ago) link

sex with david brooks is so much better on weed

lag∞n, Friday, 3 January 2014 16:42 (ten years ago) link

lmao xp its true

lag∞n, Friday, 3 January 2014 16:42 (ten years ago) link

Laws profoundly mold culture, so what sort of community do we want our laws to nurture?

idk maybe america would be vastly improved by incorporating an ethos of stonedness into our culture

Mordy , Friday, 3 January 2014 16:44 (ten years ago) link

it probably won't help our 'obesity epidemic' but surely easing the neurotic, anxious, often violent psychosis of the american ppl will only be a net positive for humanity

Mordy , Friday, 3 January 2014 16:46 (ten years ago) link

that would be cool, except theres a narrow window before they legalize coke

lag∞n, Friday, 3 January 2014 16:49 (ten years ago) link

rambling, overeating, prone to paranoia, a lot of redundant dumb lingo, incomprehension of the passing of time, occasional blasts of brilliant artwork but mostly a lot of hopeless murk & cheap uplift

yeah idk if the 'american character' needs to get more weeded

napgenius (goole), Friday, 3 January 2014 16:49 (ten years ago) link

ha o sht

lag∞n, Friday, 3 January 2014 16:50 (ten years ago) link

oh please weed did not cause NSA paranoia

Mordy , Friday, 3 January 2014 16:53 (ten years ago) link

rambling, overeating, prone to paranoia, a lot of redundant dumb lingo, incomprehension of the passing of time, occasional blasts of brilliant artwork but mostly a lot of hopeless murk & cheap uplift

me playing Skyrim tbh

brownie, Friday, 3 January 2014 16:55 (ten years ago) link

Tina Brown @TinaBrownLM
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...legal weed contributes to us being a fatter, dumber, sleepier nation even less able to compete with the Chinese

lol

lag∞n, Friday, 3 January 2014 16:55 (ten years ago) link

"compete with the chinese" shd be a meme

lag∞n, Friday, 3 January 2014 16:56 (ten years ago) link

followed by "in bed"

bnw, Friday, 3 January 2014 16:59 (ten years ago) link

that would be cool, except theres a narrow window before they legalize coke

― lag∞n, Friday, January 3, 2014 4:49 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no

you are kind, I am (waterface), Friday, 3 January 2014 17:06 (ten years ago) link

weed

you are kind, I am (waterface), Friday, 3 January 2014 17:06 (ten years ago) link

yeah come on think of how cool it will be, especially if its available in the same store as beer

lag∞n, Friday, 3 January 2014 17:07 (ten years ago) link

fuck coke

you are kind, I am (waterface), Friday, 3 January 2014 17:08 (ten years ago) link

weed is cool

you are kind, I am (waterface), Friday, 3 January 2014 17:08 (ten years ago) link

its all cool man i mean who doesnt like to party

lag∞n, Friday, 3 January 2014 17:10 (ten years ago) link

harm score lower than tobacco = legalize
harm score higher than tobacco = decriminalize

http://www.sg.unimaas.nl/_OLD/oudelezingen/dddsd.pdf

Mordy , Friday, 3 January 2014 17:10 (ten years ago) link

cocaine is for uptight wall streets types, i saw this movie about it it was called Dance Withs Wolves

you are kind, I am (waterface), Friday, 3 January 2014 17:11 (ten years ago) link

o a dutch study great

you are kind, I am (waterface), Friday, 3 January 2014 17:11 (ten years ago) link

http://i43.tinypic.com/ru5ttv.png

Mordy , Friday, 3 January 2014 17:11 (ten years ago) link

um legalize partying

lag∞n, Friday, 3 January 2014 17:12 (ten years ago) link

true

you are kind, I am (waterface), Friday, 3 January 2014 17:13 (ten years ago) link

i am partying right now

you are kind, I am (waterface), Friday, 3 January 2014 17:13 (ten years ago) link

good man waterface

lag∞n, Friday, 3 January 2014 17:13 (ten years ago) link

party every day

Mordy , Friday, 3 January 2014 17:14 (ten years ago) link

u party infinitiy?

you are kind, I am (waterface), Friday, 3 January 2014 17:14 (ten years ago) link

ive been known to party

lag∞n, Friday, 3 January 2014 17:15 (ten years ago) link

it imperative that the usa immediately adopt a comprehensive anything goes tonight policy

lag∞n, Friday, 3 January 2014 17:16 (ten years ago) link

party

you are kind, I am (waterface), Friday, 3 January 2014 17:20 (ten years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdEPjUqCMAAi7io.png

lag∞n, Friday, 3 January 2014 17:38 (ten years ago) link

what is he has two pee pees

you are kind, I am (waterface), Friday, 3 January 2014 17:40 (ten years ago) link

if

you are kind, I am (waterface), Friday, 3 January 2014 17:40 (ten years ago) link

We didn’t give it up for the obvious health reasons: that it is addictive in about one in six teenagers; that smoking and driving is a good way to get yourself killed

seems like an extremely inefficient way to get yourself killed

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 3 January 2014 17:41 (ten years ago) link

Vape Dad followed you

#bless

lag∞n, Friday, 3 January 2014 17:42 (ten years ago) link

"that smoking and driving is a good way to get yourself killed"

Yeah is it really? I can think of better ways...

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Friday, 3 January 2014 18:19 (ten years ago) link

hasn't worked for me yet, I must be doing it wrong

Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 3 January 2014 18:21 (ten years ago) link

Lol of course David Brooks went to Radnor High

, Friday, 3 January 2014 18:52 (ten years ago) link

I mean, Radnor High School, but he also went there High

, Friday, 3 January 2014 18:52 (ten years ago) link

Rich suburban motherfucker. I'm gonnna take a shit in his barbeque grill

, Friday, 3 January 2014 18:53 (ten years ago) link

everyone is so jacked up on triple espressos all the time, bring on the Weed Era, imo.

Ƹ̴Ӂ̴Ʒ (brimstead), Friday, 3 January 2014 18:56 (ten years ago) link

someday we will find the perfect chemical balance

lag∞n, Friday, 3 January 2014 19:14 (ten years ago) link

Charles Pierce:

There is one sure way for posterity to consider you a fuddy-duddy. That is to use the word "fuddy-duddy" twice in two sentences in the beginning of a column about how pot is bad for the nation. Far better when confessing your early days as the world's most boring stoner to take the Brooks route, whereby one puts aside childish things (such as the bong shaped like Edmund Burke's head) and moves on to loftier pursuits.

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"In healthy societies, government wants to subtly tip the scale to favor temperate, prudent, self-governing citizenship. In those societies, government subtly encourages the highest pleasures, like enjoying the arts or being in nature, and discourages lesser pleasures, like being stoned."

subtly imprisoning its citizens so that david brooks will go outside and take a walk

lag∞n, Friday, 3 January 2014 20:52 (ten years ago) link

and as for you weigel you srsly cant light a joint thats how casual a stoner you are oh my

lag∞n, Friday, 3 January 2014 20:55 (ten years ago) link

imprisoning citizens so david brooks will self govern himself

lag∞n, Friday, 3 January 2014 20:56 (ten years ago) link

"government subtly encourages the highest pleasures, like enjoying the arts or being in nature, and discourages lesser pleasures, like being stoned."

government should encourage the highest highest pleasures of enjoying the arts or being in nature while being stoned.

wmlynch, Friday, 3 January 2014 21:02 (ten years ago) link

win win

lag∞n, Friday, 3 January 2014 21:06 (ten years ago) link

government should encourage the highest pleasures of throwing David Brooks off a bridge

Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 3 January 2014 21:07 (ten years ago) link

while high

Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 3 January 2014 21:07 (ten years ago) link

twinkies

you are kind, I am (waterface), Friday, 3 January 2014 21:10 (ten years ago) link

Getting stoned "is not a lot of fun" and has "serious brain effects" on children, according to Brooks on NPR five seconds ago.

"i mean, look how i turned out..."

wmlynch, Friday, 3 January 2014 21:16 (ten years ago) link

David Brooks not immediately getting his face laughed at by the host and on the hour by each newsreader is one of the reasons I stopped listening to NPR

An Android Pug of Some Kind? (kingfish), Friday, 3 January 2014 21:23 (ten years ago) link

only on once a week

Still too much

An Android Pug of Some Kind? (kingfish), Friday, 3 January 2014 22:12 (ten years ago) link

the bong shaped like Edmund Burke's head

ok, lol

combination hair (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 3 January 2014 23:08 (ten years ago) link

<3 u charles pierce

From the Album No Baby for You! (Matt P), Friday, 3 January 2014 23:58 (ten years ago) link

posted this in the other thread, grudging goldberg otm

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-03/i-like-david-brooks-have-smoked-marijuana.html

the first half of the brooks column actually wasn't horrible imo lol

k3vin k., Saturday, 4 January 2014 00:34 (ten years ago) link

Paul Krugman is off today.

this was a pretty cruel joke by the NYT editors tho, touché

k3vin k., Saturday, 4 January 2014 00:36 (ten years ago) link

Another mandatory feature of the marijuana-themed column is the Current Use Statement, because it is morally acceptable to have been a stupid kid, but it is apparently less acceptable to be a stupid adult. So: I haven’t touched marijuana in 25 years.

Who will be the most surprising pundit to weigh in w/ their current epic marijuana use? Krauthammer?

Mordy , Saturday, 4 January 2014 00:36 (ten years ago) link

Read

k3vin k., Saturday, 4 January 2014 00:41 (ten years ago) link

I don’t drink alcohol very much at all, because I don’t like it -- what it does to me, and what it does to society.

the fuck outta here with this hit

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 4 January 2014 00:57 (ten years ago) link

*shit

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 4 January 2014 00:57 (ten years ago) link

all these pundits pop mad pills #knowledge

lag∞n, Saturday, 4 January 2014 00:58 (ten years ago) link

http://twitter.com/leyawn/status/419133339828629504/photo/1

balls, Saturday, 4 January 2014 06:59 (ten years ago) link

I don't mean to ask the stupid obvious question here, but what exactly has marijuana done to 'society'?

the "Weird Al" Yankovic of country music (stevie), Saturday, 4 January 2014 09:18 (ten years ago) link

its a lesser pleasure

lag∞n, Saturday, 4 January 2014 15:18 (ten years ago) link

He needs to have a couple beers and relax

calstars, Sunday, 5 January 2014 00:11 (ten years ago) link

lol

call all destroyer, Sunday, 5 January 2014 00:15 (ten years ago) link

The emergence of boutique hotels reflects a broader trend toward a more experientially rich commercial world.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 17:39 (ten years ago) link

It seems as if there is an endless supply of middle-class consumers who have boutique identities and aspirations, especially among people in their 20s. Consumers now use hotels differently. They bring their laptops down to the lobby rather than working in their rooms. Fewer people bother to unpack their bags. Therefore, room desks and closets are less important, but having a happening lobby scene is more important. People need a civic space where they can have their contiguous but individualized iPad experiences.

Boutique hotels are, on one level, kind of ridiculous. They are almost invariably too dark throughout, making it hard to read. The bed is often too low. The bathroom door is sometimes a flimsy sliding shutter, sacrificing privacy for style.

But they do exemplify a shift in the consumer market, which you might call the shift from the lima bean economy to the edamame economy

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 17:41 (ten years ago) link

Ha ha. I saw that headline but have not yet forced myself to read the column.

This was kinda funny:

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2014/01/03/ruth-marcus-and-david-brooks-smoke-pot-a-play-in-one-act/

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 17:44 (ten years ago) link

^^ world needed these insights

Hungry4Sassafrass (Aimless), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 17:46 (ten years ago) link

david brooks reminds me of that quote from good morning america: "You are in more dire need of a blow job than any white man in history"

signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 17:46 (ten years ago) link

A basic rule of happiness is don’t buy things; buy experiences.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 17:47 (ten years ago) link

this might be the paradigmatic Brooks column

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 17:49 (ten years ago) link

did anything prompt this column? did dave leave the house or something?

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 17:49 (ten years ago) link

he left his Manhattan penethouse, crossed the street, entered boutique hotel lobby, ordered gimlet.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 17:50 (ten years ago) link

Consumers have been educated by the market and now the median level of cultural competence is much higher.

well thank god

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 17:53 (ten years ago) link

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/counter_narrative/2014/01/david_brooks_smoking_pot_should_black_kids_pay_for_his_pothead_sins.html

freedom to make mistakes as a young person is probably one of the biggest and most underrated advantages of being affluent in this country (or, conversely, lack of freedom to do so is one of the biggest setbacks of being poor in this country).

signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 17:55 (ten years ago) link

good morning america's gotten pretty racy lately

Panaïs Pnin (The Yellow Kid), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 17:57 (ten years ago) link

good morning america: the xxx parody!

lag∞n, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 18:06 (ten years ago) link

LOLLLLLLLL

signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 18:08 (ten years ago) link

whoops

signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 18:08 (ten years ago) link

(vietnam, obvs)

signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 18:08 (ten years ago) link

A basic rule of happiness is don’t buy things; buy experiences.

cf. "highest pleasures" "deeper sources of happiness"

jmm, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 18:10 (ten years ago) link

flashbacks xp

lag∞n, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 18:10 (ten years ago) link

Brooks was a former marijuana smoker, but quit after a traumatic event during English class. [42]

Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Saturday, 11 January 2014 02:51 (ten years ago) link

A basic rule of happiness is don’t buy things; buy experiences.

#livelikesteve

★feminist parties i have attended (amateurist), Saturday, 11 January 2014 03:35 (ten years ago) link

David Brooks columns are just like blah blah blah to me at this point

signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Friday, 17 January 2014 15:31 (ten years ago) link

"hi i'm david brooks and i've thought a lot about poverty in the last couple of hours"

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 17 January 2014 15:36 (ten years ago) link

Like as soon as someone says "because of the 'Superstar Effect'" is when I start stuffing them into the trunk of my car while they are still talking

signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Friday, 17 January 2014 15:37 (ten years ago) link

"look, it's just the way things are"

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 17 January 2014 15:38 (ten years ago) link

knew this was gonna come down to the fraying social fabric

lag∞n, Friday, 17 January 2014 15:56 (ten years ago) link

jobs for young men

andrew m., Friday, 17 January 2014 16:10 (ten years ago) link

If you have a primitive zero-sum mentality then you assume growing affluence for the rich must somehow be causing the immobility of the poor, but, in reality, the two sets of problems are different, and it does no good to lump them together and call them “inequality.”

taking this seriously for a sec, it DOES make sense to lump them together. doing anything to improve the position of the poor requires breaking the political power of the rich, since their party (or parties, hi morbs!) stands in the way.

goole, Friday, 17 January 2014 16:13 (ten years ago) link

assortative mating

Kim Wrong-un (Neil S), Friday, 17 January 2014 16:14 (ten years ago) link

superstar effect mating wink wink

lag∞n, Friday, 17 January 2014 16:15 (ten years ago) link

these two aspects of the economy are totally unrelated why cant you seeeeee it is because ur so frayed out

lag∞n, Friday, 17 January 2014 16:16 (ten years ago) link

I wonder how that's going for Brooks post-divorce, the assortative mating thing

signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Friday, 17 January 2014 16:16 (ten years ago) link

lot of assorted mating around my way dave, come hang out. be cool tho, people smoke.

goole, Friday, 17 January 2014 16:17 (ten years ago) link

"fraying of the social fabric" oh noes slatternly teen wenches are allowing the fabric to fray by having babies!

Kim Wrong-un (Neil S), Friday, 17 January 2014 16:21 (ten years ago) link

(*teens are having fewer babies than they have in forty years)

lag∞n, Friday, 17 January 2014 16:24 (ten years ago) link

why let the facts get in the way of airy and heavily loaded generalisations about "social fabric"?

Kim Wrong-un (Neil S), Friday, 17 January 2014 16:26 (ten years ago) link

theres no reason to when you think about it and are smart and reasonable and a horrific nerd

lag∞n, Friday, 17 January 2014 16:27 (ten years ago) link

why can't you smart-asses just drop the partisanship and start from where we all agree: conservative talking points

bnw, Friday, 17 January 2014 16:31 (ten years ago) link

"The incomes of the top 5% have soared even as wages for 75% of Americans have been flat for 30 years, even though their productivity has doubled; and there's a smaller and smaller tax base as those same 5% fight for lower and lower taxes and move their money out of the US, and therefore less money for things like decent schools, but I'm sure none of these things are connected and its deadbeat dads all the way down."

Ian from Etobicoke (Phil D.), Friday, 17 January 2014 16:33 (ten years ago) link

David Brooks' Social Fabric Softener: All the comforts of knowing your affluence is well-earned, none of the static cling of grasping, guilt-inducing poor people.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Friday, 17 January 2014 16:34 (ten years ago) link

tbf, brooks is otm that lack of sittlichtkeit is primary challenge of contemporary society

Mordy , Friday, 17 January 2014 16:35 (ten years ago) link

nb i haven't read most recently posted op-ed but 'social fabric' is important so

Mordy , Friday, 17 January 2014 16:35 (ten years ago) link

just read it, he's still an asshole

"The income inequality debate is confusing matters more than clarifying them, and it is leading us off in unhelpful directions."

plz ban word "unhelpful"

Mordy , Friday, 17 January 2014 16:38 (ten years ago) link

I'm guessing you're coming at the idea of "social fabric" from a very different and much more legit place than Brooks

signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Friday, 17 January 2014 16:42 (ten years ago) link

David Brooks' Social Fabric Softener: All the comforts of knowing your affluence is well-earned, none of the static cling of grasping, guilt-inducing poor people.

― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Friday, January 17, 2014 11:34 AM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol a+

lag∞n, Friday, 17 January 2014 17:04 (ten years ago) link

doing anything to improve the position of the poor requires breaking the political power of the rich, since their party (or parties, hi morbs!) stands in the way.

― goole, Friday, January 17, 2014 4:13 PM (48 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what are you some kind of class warrior

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 17 January 2014 17:05 (ten years ago) link

tbf, brooks is otm that lack of sittlichtkeit is primary challenge of contemporary society

― Mordy , Friday, January 17, 2014 11:35 AM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nb i haven't read most recently posted op-ed but 'social fabric' is important so

― Mordy , Friday, January 17, 2014 11:35 AM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

for sure the thing he just cant see tho is its the mega rich who are tearing us apart

lag∞n, Friday, 17 January 2014 17:07 (ten years ago) link

there are obvs also all sorts of complex cause and effect questions re moral and structural problems

lag∞n, Friday, 17 January 2014 17:08 (ten years ago) link

ya i mean brooks' thing is just to point that out and leave it at that tho, which is as one might say unhelpful

k3vin k., Friday, 17 January 2014 17:09 (ten years ago) link

his thing is to point it out and then be all destitute teen moms really need to get their act together *pinky sips crystal on g7 en route to ideas conference*

lag∞n, Friday, 17 January 2014 17:10 (ten years ago) link

there's no way even the pro-poor ideas bandied around by the conservatives who even give a fuck (your douthat/salam types) such as a more kid- and marriage- friendly tax credit scheme to more 'radical' things like a wage subsidy or a more generous EITC to even more crazy radical changes like maybe cooling it a little on america's hideous gulag state of mass incarceration will get ZERO look from republicans who hold office

(i take that back somewhat -- i think it will be religious conservatives who tame the carceral state, frankly, if anybody ever does. nixon in china and all that)

goole, Friday, 17 January 2014 17:13 (ten years ago) link

new incarcerations are at a 20 year low fwiw

lag∞n, Friday, 17 January 2014 17:15 (ten years ago) link

obvs so much more to be done

lag∞n, Friday, 17 January 2014 17:15 (ten years ago) link

why hasn't Woody Allen created a David Brooks character in a movie

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 January 2014 17:15 (ten years ago) link

he could've dated Cate Blanchett in Blue Jasmine

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 January 2014 17:16 (ten years ago) link

new incarcerations are at a 20 year low fwiw

― lag∞n, Friday, January 17, 2014 11:15 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

pretty tall mountain to walk down from

but yeah, maybe kevin drum is right and it was lead making ppl crazy for 30-40 years

goole, Friday, 17 January 2014 17:18 (ten years ago) link

LBJ plan to make the right crazier iirc

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 January 2014 17:20 (ten years ago) link

dean baker's takedown of this feudalistic bullshit is otm

http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/david-brooks-primitive-defense-of-the-rich

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 17 January 2014 17:22 (ten years ago) link

As it happens, there's also this in the Economist today:

Over the past 30 years the digital revolution has displaced many of the mid-skill jobs that underpinned 20th-century middle-class life. Typists, ticket agents, bank tellers and many production-line jobs have been dispensed with, just as the weavers were.

. . . Over the past three decades, labour’s share of output has shrunk globally from 64% to 59%. Meanwhile, the share of income going to the top 1% in America has risen from around 9% in the 1970s to 22% today. Unemployment is at alarming levels in much of the rich world, and not just for cyclical reasons. In 2000, 65% of working-age Americans were in work; since then the proportion has fallen, during good years as well as bad, to the current level of 59%.

But I'm sure these phenomena are entirely unrelated and it's all teen moms and church attendance.

Ian from Etobicoke (Phil D.), Friday, 17 January 2014 17:23 (ten years ago) link

but yeah, maybe kevin drum is right and it was lead making ppl crazy for 30-40 years

― goole, Friday, January 17, 2014 12:18 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i love this theory btw and i think its really true, also imo the drop in crime will have major positive effects beyond just like having less crime, i dont think legal weed would be happening if we had early 90s level crime, theres increased urbanization which is good for a bunch of reasons, obvs theres no way to start to roll back our horrible police state if w high crime rates etc

lag∞n, Friday, 17 January 2014 17:24 (ten years ago) link

love this phrase: Fans of arithmetic everywhere

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 January 2014 17:26 (ten years ago) link

dean baker's takedown of this feudalistic bullshit is otm

http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/david-brooks-primitive-defense-of-the-rich

― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, January 17, 2014 5:22 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ty for this

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 17 January 2014 17:27 (ten years ago) link

ruling class pretty much just keeps inventing new terms for the same old class justifications

signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Friday, 17 January 2014 17:29 (ten years ago) link

theyre quite industrious in their own way

lag∞n, Friday, 17 January 2014 17:29 (ten years ago) link

it all translates into "if you don't come from money, go fuck yourself"

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 17 January 2014 17:30 (ten years ago) link

wow the times editorial team is acknowledging each other now i thought that was a no no

lag∞n, Friday, 17 January 2014 17:58 (ten years ago) link

they do it in their blog posts sometimes but you rarely see it in print

k3vin k., Friday, 17 January 2014 18:03 (ten years ago) link

Krugs and David will still go out for martinis after 6 though

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 January 2014 18:03 (ten years ago) link

and talk shop about princeton vs. yale undergrads

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 17 January 2014 18:14 (ten years ago) link

I have stopped caring about this guy. feels like constantly getting outraged about him just encourages him/drives up his profile etc. he deserves anonymity.

Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 17 January 2014 18:16 (ten years ago) link

the thing that still shocks me every time I read his columns is what a terrible WRITER he is. The last generation of conservative ideologues were at least mostly good prose stylists.

signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Friday, 17 January 2014 18:18 (ten years ago) link

This is actually my favorite part of the whole thing:

Democrats often see low wages as both a human capital problem and a problem caused by unequal economic power. Republicans are more likely to see them just as a human capital problem. If we’re going to pass bipartisan legislation, we’re going to have to start with the human capital piece, where there is some agreement, not the class conflict piece, where there is none.

See, democrats and republicans agree on the republican agenda.

signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Friday, 17 January 2014 20:01 (ten years ago) link

"human capital" is such a gross phrase

Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 17 January 2014 20:02 (ten years ago) link

let's all agree that capital gains should be taxed no higher than 15%, and that the estate tax is theft, and the jobs will flow!

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 17 January 2014 20:03 (ten years ago) link

I feel like he's not the kind of writer that actually shapes policy; his role is more to attempt confuse democrats away from feeling too left about things.

signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Friday, 17 January 2014 20:08 (ten years ago) link

yeah, i mean what has the middle class ever done for america anyways? rich people are the best

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 17 January 2014 20:09 (ten years ago) link

his role is more to attempt confuse democrats away from feeling too left about things.

no wonder Obama listens to him

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 January 2014 20:42 (ten years ago) link

"human capital" is such a gross phrase

12 Years as Human Capital

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 18 January 2014 01:35 (ten years ago) link

i mostly feel bad for people who are having things explained to them for the first time by david brooks

flopson, Saturday, 18 January 2014 03:42 (ten years ago) link

i.e. NPR listeners?

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 18 January 2014 03:47 (ten years ago) link

no one really likes david brooks hes a token

lag∞n, Saturday, 18 January 2014 05:01 (ten years ago) link

i mean

i have the new brutal HOOS if you want it (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Saturday, 18 January 2014 09:14 (ten years ago) link

i wish that was true

i have the new brutal HOOS if you want it (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Saturday, 18 January 2014 09:14 (ten years ago) link

i have conservative friends who call him a voice of reason on the left

i have the new brutal HOOS if you want it (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Saturday, 18 January 2014 09:14 (ten years ago) link

lolllll

rhyme heals all goons (m bison), Saturday, 18 January 2014 13:27 (ten years ago) link

that's hilarious

signed, J.P. Morgan CEO (Hurting 2), Saturday, 18 January 2014 13:39 (ten years ago) link

lol but exactly and liberals call him the voice of reason on the right but he doesnt really have any influence

lag∞n, Saturday, 18 January 2014 16:01 (ten years ago) link

liberals call him the voice of reason on the right

I don't believe this.

channel 9's meaty urologist (WilliamC), Saturday, 18 January 2014 16:06 (ten years ago) link

thats his whole role at the times, the reasonable conservative

lag∞n, Saturday, 18 January 2014 16:14 (ten years ago) link

its what hes for

lag∞n, Saturday, 18 January 2014 16:14 (ten years ago) link

I think that's what conservatives put him forward as, but I don't know of any liberals who buy it.

channel 9's meaty urologist (WilliamC), Saturday, 18 January 2014 16:16 (ten years ago) link

i don't know any either but i'm sure they're out there, lotta dumb ppl across the spectrum

call all destroyer, Saturday, 18 January 2014 16:16 (ten years ago) link

its what the new york (mfn) times puts him forward as

lag∞n, Saturday, 18 January 2014 16:17 (ten years ago) link

but i mean hes the voice as reason in that he behaves like a nice reasonable young man, no one listens to what he says was my original point

lag∞n, Saturday, 18 January 2014 16:18 (ten years ago) link

hes a placeholder

lag∞n, Saturday, 18 January 2014 16:18 (ten years ago) link

i mostly feel bad for people who are having things explained to them for the first time by david brooks

imagine his son

j., Saturday, 18 January 2014 16:19 (ten years ago) link

Kid probably just packs another bowl.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Saturday, 18 January 2014 16:25 (ten years ago) link

kid is doomed what with divorced parents decaying moral fabric etc

lag∞n, Saturday, 18 January 2014 16:28 (ten years ago) link

Sure he'll get a nice inheritance though unless dad blows all the money on hookers/blow or leaves it to child from new marriage to twenty something model type.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Saturday, 18 January 2014 16:42 (ten years ago) link

thats what i wld do

lag∞n, Saturday, 18 January 2014 16:43 (ten years ago) link

Sure he'll get a nice inheritance though

how wealthy is a david brooks???

charitable remainder unitrust (crüt), Saturday, 18 January 2014 16:45 (ten years ago) link

expert guess his estate is somewhere in the eight figures

lag∞n, Saturday, 18 January 2014 16:46 (ten years ago) link

multiple best sellers, paid speaking gigs etc

lag∞n, Saturday, 18 January 2014 16:46 (ten years ago) link

"son, homeless people taste best barbecued, not fried"

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 18 January 2014 17:04 (ten years ago) link

"how wealthy is a david brooks???"

Uh I'm guessing insanely wealthy.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Saturday, 18 January 2014 17:11 (ten years ago) link

he chills w the koch bros at conservative functions and thinks "i am not rich"

lag∞n, Saturday, 18 January 2014 17:13 (ten years ago) link

I mean not CEO of Fortune 500 company wealthy, but lagoon's estimates seem right to me.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Saturday, 18 January 2014 17:13 (ten years ago) link

I think that's what conservatives put him forward as, but I don't know of any liberals who buy it.

I know at least one self-described liberal who does. o_O

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Saturday, 18 January 2014 17:27 (ten years ago) link

some middle aged whites listen to him on npr and think "hmm, he's not shouting or firing a pistol in the air...let's give him a chance."

rhyme heals all goons (m bison), Saturday, 18 January 2014 17:39 (ten years ago) link

exactly

lag∞n, Saturday, 18 January 2014 17:40 (ten years ago) link

"how wealthy is a david brooks???"

Top 5% of workers.

barranca jagger (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 18 January 2014 19:32 (ten years ago) link

ha

lag∞n, Saturday, 18 January 2014 19:33 (ten years ago) link

man god bless krugman going over the same exact arguments over & over again for 5 years now

flopson, Saturday, 18 January 2014 21:01 (ten years ago) link

i am pretty sure i have read that exact krugman post maybe 20 times at this point. it's still otm and it's still important and needs to be said. but i don't know how he has the patience. not just the column but on his blog, too.

flopson, Saturday, 18 January 2014 21:02 (ten years ago) link

Have you seen him on Sunday talk shows? Each time he edges closer to the point at which he wraps his expensive scarf around Mary Matalin's throat every time she condescends to call him 'professor.'

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 18 January 2014 21:06 (ten years ago) link

two weeks pass...

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/02/way-we-live-now-by-david-brooks.html

utter destruction

goole, Friday, 7 February 2014 20:00 (ten years ago) link

Wow, congrats on the byline to ILX's own Jody Beth Rosen!

Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Friday, 7 February 2014 20:01 (ten years ago) link

lolololol That's the other Jody Rosen. ikr?

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Friday, 7 February 2014 20:09 (ten years ago) link

sorry it never gets old to me

Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Friday, 7 February 2014 20:19 (ten years ago) link

or at least it seemed like it had been long enough

Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Friday, 7 February 2014 20:19 (ten years ago) link

holy shit

lag∞n, Friday, 7 February 2014 21:38 (ten years ago) link

i have stared into the sun

lag∞n, Friday, 7 February 2014 21:38 (ten years ago) link

IIRC, the other Jody Rosen has posted on ILM a couple of times.

o. nate, Saturday, 8 February 2014 03:03 (ten years ago) link

there is only one jody rosen lets be real folks

lag∞n, Saturday, 8 February 2014 17:24 (ten years ago) link

this charade, long enough

lag∞n, Saturday, 8 February 2014 17:24 (ten years ago) link

what about joe d. rosen? what about jo diro-sen?

rhyme heals all goons (m bison), Saturday, 8 February 2014 17:26 (ten years ago) link

same, same

lag∞n, Saturday, 8 February 2014 17:28 (ten years ago) link

http://www.wbur.org/npr/273133838/week-in-politics-jobs-numbers-and-cbo-report

BLOCK: But David, hasn't the underpinning of the Republican thinking looking forward been we need to reach out to Hispanic voters? We have seen what's happened to us in past elections, and we recognize that we have a problem there.

BROOKS: This is the problem with democracy. If we had a party run by elites, which it should be, they would be far-seeing, they would know what's in the long-term interest of their party, and they would push through change against a minority group, the Tea Party, which doesn't see it that way. But the minority group now has veto power, and so the establishment of the party really has limited control to do what I think most people would agree is in the long-term interest of the party as a whole.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 8 February 2014 17:32 (ten years ago) link

This is the problem with democracy. If we had a party run by elites, which it should be

This is the problem with democracy. If we had a party run by elites, which it should be

This is the problem with democracy. If we had a party run by elites, which it should be

curmudgeon, Saturday, 8 February 2014 17:32 (ten years ago) link

oh yeah I cited that bit in the OTHER David Brooks thread. I heard it live yesterday and nearly drove off the road.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 February 2014 17:44 (ten years ago) link

David Brooks of the elite claims his rightful place beside the throne.

Aimless, Saturday, 8 February 2014 18:12 (ten years ago) link

...like Salacious Crumb.

Bell, ball, bone, boot. No surprises. (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 8 February 2014 19:54 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

Women, meanwhile, have different tastes at different times in their cycles. During ovulation, according to some research, they prefer ruggedly handsome and risky men, while at other times they are more drawn to pleasant-looking, nice men. When men look at pictures of naked women, their startle response to loud noises diminishes. It seems that the dopamine surge mutes the prefrontal cortex, and they become less alert to danger and risk.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 March 2014 20:24 (ten years ago) link

really wish the times titled that piece "let's talk about gender baby"

Treeship, Friday, 14 March 2014 20:48 (ten years ago) link

Women, meanwhile, have different tastes at different times in their cycles. During ovulation, according to some research, they prefer ruggedly handsome and risky men, while at other times they are more drawn to pleasant-looking, nice men. When men look at pictures of naked women, their startle response to loud noises diminishes. It seems that the dopamine surge mutes the prefrontal cortex, and they become less alert to danger and risk.When men look at pictures of naked women, their startle response to loud noises diminishes. It seems that the dopamine surge mutes the prefrontal cortex, and they become less alert to danger and risk. I know this because I was caught looking at porn while writing this column.

marcos, Friday, 14 March 2014 20:56 (ten years ago) link

arrghh copy and paste errors in my clever joke

marcos, Friday, 14 March 2014 20:57 (ten years ago) link

lol I was just gonna make the same joke

james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Friday, 14 March 2014 20:57 (ten years ago) link

probably has something to do with you guys being hormonally in sync

Treeship, Friday, 14 March 2014 20:59 (ten years ago) link

Babies are deep

waterbabies (waterface), Friday, 14 March 2014 21:00 (ten years ago) link

more like babies are DERP

waterbabies (waterface), Friday, 14 March 2014 21:00 (ten years ago) link

I meant burp

waterbabies (waterface), Friday, 14 March 2014 21:00 (ten years ago) link

while at other times they are more drawn to pleasant-looking, nice men

can hear him crossing his fingers right here

j., Friday, 14 March 2014 21:01 (ten years ago) link

i always like to imagine him pining after maureen dowd.

Treeship, Friday, 14 March 2014 21:02 (ten years ago) link

"Thank god ovulation is only once a month!"

james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Friday, 14 March 2014 21:03 (ten years ago) link

i always like to imagine him pining after maureen dowd. What did Butler say about Carlisle? "It was very good of God to let Carlyle and Mrs Carlyle marry one another, and so make only two people miserable and not four."

già, ya, déjà, ja, yeah, whatever... (Michael White), Friday, 14 March 2014 21:06 (ten years ago) link

"Thank god ovulation is only once a month!"

― james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2),

said in his nervous NPR chuckle

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 March 2014 21:11 (ten years ago) link

i always like to imagine him pounding maureen dowd.

waterbabies (waterface), Friday, 14 March 2014 21:13 (ten years ago) link

gross

rhyme heals all goons (m bison), Saturday, 15 March 2014 20:25 (ten years ago) link

tho lmao at david brooks having sex with anything

rhyme heals all goons (m bison), Saturday, 15 March 2014 20:25 (ten years ago) link

done in response to his pot column but still relevant

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdEPjUqCMAAi7io.png

balls, Sunday, 16 March 2014 02:39 (ten years ago) link

I just want to know that he's seen that article.

brains hangin (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 16 March 2014 02:42 (ten years ago) link

i can't stop picturing him doing it in his socks help

sent from my butt (harbl), Sunday, 16 March 2014 02:48 (ten years ago) link

no judgements here this is a safe space

lag∞n, Sunday, 16 March 2014 02:49 (ten years ago) link

lol I was staring at his NYTimes photo and thinking how disturbing it would be if his face just stayed that way all the time, during sex, at dinner, on the toilet, at a baseball game, etc., and then I was like "no, that can't be, it's probably just a weird photo," but then I GISed him and it's true.

james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Monday, 17 March 2014 02:45 (ten years ago) link

There are pictures of him having sex and on the toilet?

brains hangin (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 17 March 2014 02:58 (ten years ago) link

i don't think his appearance, voice, or mannerisms are creepy fwiw. don't like his columns at all though.

Treeship, Monday, 17 March 2014 03:03 (ten years ago) link

not creepy, definitely a dick

purposely lend impetus to my HOOS (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 06:27 (ten years ago) link

Sting reminds us all that sometimes you have to gaze back into the past in order to move forward.

Saw this in a NY Times email this morning but have yet to force myself to read the article. Can see Brooks admiring and/or being envious of Sting.

curmudgeon, Friday, 21 March 2014 13:16 (ten years ago) link

Saw an excerpt that describes songs exploding from sting's head iank.

a nation filled with lead (Hunt3r), Friday, 21 March 2014 13:37 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/04/20/3428792/brooks-obama-manhood-problem-middle-east/

New York Times columnist David Brooks on Sunday claimed that President Obama’s foreign policy isn’t “tough” and that he has a “manhood problem” in the Middle East.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 18:43 (nine years ago) link

yeah

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 18:46 (nine years ago) link

Trying to visualize Brooks looking tough and macho

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 19:19 (nine years ago) link

shall I post that photo again

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 April 2014 19:22 (nine years ago) link

Oh Noooooooooo

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 23 April 2014 19:23 (nine years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/25/opinion/brooks-the-piketty-phenomenon.html?hpw&rref=opinion

Many people join the political left driven by a concern for the poor. But, over the past several years, the Democratic Party has talked much more about the middle class than the poor. Meanwhile, progressive political movements like Occupy Wall Street directed their fervor at the top 1 percent. Progressive movies and books have focused their attention on conspiracy and oligarchy at the top, not “Grapes of Wrath” or “How the Other Half Lives” stories at the bottom.

This is natural. The modern left is led by smart professionals — academics, activists, people in the news media, the arts and so on — who tend to live in and around coastal cities.

If you are a young professional in a major city, you experience inequality firsthand. But the inequality you experience most acutely is not inequality down, toward the poor; it’s inequality up, toward the rich.

j., Friday, 25 April 2014 14:46 (nine years ago) link

idk wtf he is tryina say exactly

smooth hymnal (m bison), Friday, 25 April 2014 15:21 (nine years ago) link

this bloke is seriously a professional writer?

it definitely wasn't designed to be a pants pocket player (stevie), Friday, 25 April 2014 15:25 (nine years ago) link

that middle class/bourgie status anxiety is unworthy of whatever legacy Dems have, and it is the face of the new elitist left? just by looking at the quote, not the article

Hunt3r, Friday, 25 April 2014 15:34 (nine years ago) link

because rich assholes haven't had their asses kissed and their taxes cut enough in the past 15 years . . .
"This is a moment when progressives have found their worldview and their agenda. This move opens up a huge opportunity for the rest of us in the center and on the right. First, acknowledge that the concentration of wealth is a concern with a beefed up inheritance tax. Second, emphasize a contrasting agenda that will reward growth, saving and investment, not punish these things, the way Piketty would. Support progressive consumption taxes not a tax on capital. Third, emphasize that the historically proven way to reduce inequality is lifting people from the bottom with human capital reform, not pushing down the top. In short, counter angry progressivism with unifying uplift." . . . a la sean hannity and rush limbaugh

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 25 April 2014 15:51 (nine years ago) link

fuck david brooks forever, how does such a simple man have such influence in the world

also fuck the rich forever, tax them into poverty then redistribute some of it back to them as welfare

smooth hymnal (m bison), Friday, 25 April 2014 15:55 (nine years ago) link

he doesnt have influence

idontknowanythingabouttechnlolgeez (waterface), Friday, 25 April 2014 15:55 (nine years ago) link

nope, no influence whatsoever. meanwhile in the US

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 25 April 2014 15:57 (nine years ago) link

tell me how he has influence

idontknowanythingabouttechnlolgeez (waterface), Friday, 25 April 2014 15:59 (nine years ago) link

aside from people talking bout his dumb ideas--how does david brooks promote real change and help enact it

idontknowanythingabouttechnlolgeez (waterface), Friday, 25 April 2014 15:59 (nine years ago) link

*folds hands together in a steeple, leans back in chair*

idontknowanythingabouttechnlolgeez (waterface), Friday, 25 April 2014 16:00 (nine years ago) link

he teaches at yale, he writes two op-eds a week for the ny times, he squares off with david shields on a regular basis, he's on the sunday talk shows every weekend. i realize that's less influence than we here at ILX wield, but it's still something

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 25 April 2014 16:00 (nine years ago) link

the gop will never ever ever repeal the estate tax. it was a massive cause celebre during the bush administration when they cut it down to what it is now.

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 25 April 2014 16:01 (nine years ago) link

yeah that isn't influence

idontknowanythingabouttechnlolgeez (waterface), Friday, 25 April 2014 16:01 (nine years ago) link

First, acknowledge that the concentration of wealth is a concern with a beefed up inheritance tax. Second, emphasize a contrasting agenda that will reward growth, saving and investment, not punish these things, the way Piketty would. Support progressive consumption taxes not a tax on capital.

This is so bizarrely contradictory that I can only read it two ways: (1) he doesn't understand what the fuck he's talking about or (2) he's saying "let's throw them a bone with the inheritance tax while not actually addressing concentration of wealth"

Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Friday, 25 April 2014 16:01 (nine years ago) link

x my own p

also realize brooks is on npr all the time and some people only get there news and opinion from it

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 25 April 2014 16:01 (nine years ago) link

he does all those things but how do we know everyone he comes into contact with isn't saying "this dude is full of it"

idontknowanythingabouttechnlolgeez (waterface), Friday, 25 April 2014 16:02 (nine years ago) link

yes, everyone he comes into contact with says "this dude is full of it"

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 25 April 2014 16:03 (nine years ago) link

David Brooks talks out of like three to five different sides of his mouth in any given column

Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Friday, 25 April 2014 16:04 (nine years ago) link

I thought I saw somewhere Obama reads Brooks' column regularly and values his viewpoint, it was a depressing moment, hope I was imagining it

anonanon, Friday, 25 April 2014 16:04 (nine years ago) link

Obama does read it, I wonder how he feels about being called a wimp by noted hardcore alpha male David Brooks

sad that he reads/"values" Brooks's opinion, but somehow that makes sense to me, maybe even explains something about Obama

Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Friday, 25 April 2014 16:21 (nine years ago) link

this guy reminds me of when the onion runs one of those editorial/thinkpieces on politics by a seven-year-old or whatever.

espring (amateurist), Friday, 25 April 2014 16:25 (nine years ago) link

xpost

i think that's obama in populist mode, i.e. "i, too, read these brazenly mediocre columns in the NYT."

espring (amateurist), Friday, 25 April 2014 16:25 (nine years ago) link

"I'm just a regular guy, I read the same smug priveleged assholes as joe lunchpail!"

lol reading

Hunt3r, Friday, 25 April 2014 16:32 (nine years ago) link

I give credit to Brooks for even supporting the inheritance tax. I also think he has a fair point that if the inequality issue is nothing more than the upper-middle-class envying the upper-upper-middle class, then maybe it's not such a big deal. However, obviously the inequality issue is about a lot more than that. Brooks doesn't mention anything about how this dynamic affects the distribution of political power, or the social dynamic in a society in which inherited wealth begins to play a large role. Maybe because he doesn't buy Piketty's arguments that we are headed that way. But his breezy dismissal of Piketty's careful arguments lacks substance.

o. nate, Friday, 25 April 2014 20:15 (nine years ago) link

I also think he has a fair point that if the inequality issue is nothing more than the upper-middle-class envying the upper-upper-middle class, then maybe it's not such a big deal.

How is this a "fair point" given no real evidence that that's the case?

However, obviously the inequality issue is about a lot more than that. Brooks doesn't mention anything about how this dynamic affects the distribution of political power, or the social dynamic in a society in which inherited wealth begins to play a large role.

But this is the big DUH point about the whole issue that every conservative pundit DELIBERATELY glosses over, reducing inequality to "I eat at Per Se you eat at Outback, I drive a Rolls you drive a Ford, what's the big deal?"

Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Friday, 25 April 2014 20:48 (nine years ago) link

also I'd quibble with "begins to play a large role"

basically stop being "fair" to david fucking brooks

Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Friday, 25 April 2014 20:49 (nine years ago) link

Another signature Brooks attempt to incisively analyze "the left" that is almost wholly projection

Also lots of clunky half-hearted 8th grade book report prose in here

Well, of course, this book is going to set off a fervor that some have likened to Beatlemania.

The book is very good and interesting, but it has pretty obvious weaknesses.

Piketty predicts that growth will be low for a century, though there seems to be a lot of innovation around.

anonanon, Saturday, 26 April 2014 08:55 (nine years ago) link

I don't know why it's hard for me to hate Brooks as much as he clearly deserves.

o. nate, Friday, 2 May 2014 02:03 (nine years ago) link

two weeks pass...

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/ten-miles-square/2014/05/i_dont_know_whether_this_point050439.php#

Brooks says Simpson-Bowles-like commissions push populist reforms. Author of the piece questions Brooks' understanding of populism and democracy

curmudgeon, Thursday, 22 May 2014 14:35 (nine years ago) link

Author of the piece questions Brooks' understanding of populism and democracy

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 May 2014 14:41 (nine years ago) link

No surprise. Brooks said a month ago on NPR with one of his trademark embarrassed chuckles that he wished we were ruled by elites.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 May 2014 14:42 (nine years ago) link

David Brooks has taken his valuable NYTimes column inches to inform his readers that George Orwell and Leo Tolstoy are good writers.

Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Friday, 23 May 2014 14:57 (nine years ago) link

His other lesson for writers, even opinion writers, is that it’s a mistake to think you are an activist, championing some movement. That’s the path to mental stagnation. The job is just to try to understand what’s going on.

But I digress, next on my list of white male writers...

bnw, Friday, 23 May 2014 15:05 (nine years ago) link

People are always asking me what my favorite books are.

instant lol

purposely lend impetus to my HOOS (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 23 May 2014 16:02 (nine years ago) link

Hi, I'm David Brooks

Doritos Loco Parentis (Hurting 2), Friday, 23 May 2014 16:21 (nine years ago) link

I've read books.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 23 May 2014 16:22 (nine years ago) link

he wished we were ruled by elites.

it must be awesome to have your wishes fulfilled so easily

Οὖτις, Friday, 23 May 2014 16:24 (nine years ago) link

two weeks pass...

i thought this was a lovely brooks column:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/06/opinion/brooks-president-obama-was-right.html

Mordy, Friday, 6 June 2014 23:16 (nine years ago) link

He spent his NPR segment praising the president.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 June 2014 23:29 (nine years ago) link

i was kinda down on this decision. since after the shalit trade i've been feeling very cynical about these prisoner swaps (and brooks only refs it obliquely but sometimes you don't even get a living soldier in return). but he makes i think a very rational and on some level moving case about why it's honorable to do so.

Mordy, Friday, 6 June 2014 23:31 (nine years ago) link

you needed david brooks for that? jesus

balls, Friday, 6 June 2014 23:46 (nine years ago) link

Despite all our polarization, we do accept the election results, even when the other party wins

o rly

mookieproof, Friday, 6 June 2014 23:55 (nine years ago) link

compared to lots of other "democracies" accepting election results is one of our strongest areas!

Mordy, Saturday, 7 June 2014 00:45 (nine years ago) link

ffs balls does everything need a snarky remark? xxp

Mordy, Saturday, 7 June 2014 00:48 (nine years ago) link

ten months pass...

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/05/david-brooks-is-not-buying-it-poor-people.html

The Brooks column on Baltimore might have been discussed on another thread, but i like this response to it, questioning Brooks' use of stats on poverty and ignoring inequality

curmudgeon, Sunday, 3 May 2015 21:46 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

This is some of what Brooks considers important in discussing Robert E Lee and whether his name should be banished from schools. I think its weird

As a family man, he was surprisingly relaxed and affectionate. We think of him as a man of marble, but he loved having his kids jump into bed with him and tickle his feet. With his wife’s loving cooperation, he could write witty and even saucy letters to other women. He was devout in his faith, a gifted watercolorist, a lover of animals and a charming conversationalist.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 27 June 2015 15:54 (eight years ago) link

a gifted watercolorist

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 27 June 2015 16:07 (eight years ago) link

saucy

resulting post (rogermexico.), Saturday, 27 June 2015 16:18 (eight years ago) link

ticklish feet

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 27 June 2015 16:18 (eight years ago) link

Let me tell you this! And you're hearing this straight from the horse. Hitler was better looking than Churchill. He was a better dresser than Churchill. He had more hair! He told funnier jokes! And he could dance the pants off of Churchill!

da croupier, Saturday, 27 June 2015 17:05 (eight years ago) link

https://www.change.org/p/legally-change-david-brooks-name-to-this-fuckn-guy

Aww man was gonna sign the shit out of that

that's why god destroyed the radio (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 27 June 2015 18:59 (eight years ago) link

If you've got time for a little copywriting we could make it happen...

resulting post (rogermexico.), Sunday, 28 June 2015 17:51 (eight years ago) link

Robert E. Lee is the best advertisement the confederacy ever had. He gets off easy because his only job was to win battles and he did that extremely well, and he perfectly matched the contemporary ideal of what a gentleman ought to be. He was the confederacy's dreamboat.

If you want to see what the confederacy was really about you need to look at the figure of Jefferson Davis, not Lee. He personified the cause far better, in that he was the one who most prominently and vigorously defended its ideas, not its territory. And its ideas were execrable.

Aimless, Sunday, 28 June 2015 18:16 (eight years ago) link

He gets off easy because his only job was to win battles and he did that extremely well

well, until he didn't.

ryan, Sunday, 28 June 2015 18:47 (eight years ago) link

actually, Alexander Stephens is even more representative. Wilson's Patriotic Gore has an unforgettable chapter devoted to him, in which Wilson, enemy of the Cold War and income tax, read Stephens' prison writings and saw in them a noble, futile resistance to the central government.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 28 June 2015 18:54 (eight years ago) link

give lee his due as a general. the south's military ability was amply demonstrated. it was their economic and political culture that was rotten, rotten, rotten. it is a shame so much of that culture survived the debacle.

Aimless, Sunday, 28 June 2015 19:02 (eight years ago) link

The South wasn't all rotten, the further away, by several measures, that you look from Cotten, and the feudalist fuckheads who called it King. For instance, far from the Black Belt, when Alabama left the Union, Winston County left Alabama, at least in terms of proclaiming itself the Free State of Winston. Until the Rebel Rebel Govt. of same, having taken refuge way back in the hills, had their subterranean HQ's location betrayed by one of the very few local slaveowners. There was a Unionist (and sometimes anarchist) resistance, especially in Appalachia, but all through the hijacked CSA, to varying degrees. Confederate conscription efforts could get pretty bloody.

dow, Sunday, 28 June 2015 21:20 (eight years ago) link

Limits of (free white) manpower and domestic manufacture of materiel(because dominance/fixation on plantations etc) were built-in fails, despite whoever was a military genius etc

dow, Sunday, 28 June 2015 21:32 (eight years ago) link

i'm sure that Rommel (Nazi Germany's equivalent of Robert E Lee) had a similarly cozy twee home life.

i can only assume that there is no editorial oversight at the NYT for Brooks.

the myth of a united south is possibly the single most destructive myth about the civil war; a considerable number of southerners (possibly a majority in every state except south carolina) opposed secession and hundreds of thousands of southerners went north to fight for the union.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Sunday, 28 June 2015 21:46 (eight years ago) link

hundreds of thousands of southerners went north to fight for the union.

According to Wikipedia, 2,213,363 men served in the Union Army during the Civil War, so this 'number' seems well within possibility.

Aimless, Monday, 29 June 2015 04:49 (eight years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Dear Ta-Nehisi Coates,

The last year has been an education for white people. There has been a depth, power and richness to the African-American conversation about Ferguson, Baltimore, Charleston and the other killings that has been humbling and instructive.

Your new book, “Between the World and Me,” is a great and searing contribution to this public education. It is a mind-altering account of the black male experience. Every conscientious American should read it.

There is a pervasive physicality to your memoir — the elemental vulnerability of living in a black body in America. Outside African-American nightclubs, you write, “black people controlled nothing, least of all the fate of their bodies, which could be commandeered by the police; which could be erased by the guns, which were so profligate; which could be raped, beaten, jailed.”

Written as a letter to your son, you talk about the effects of pervasive fear. “When I was your age the only people I knew were black and all of them were powerfully, adamantly, dangerously afraid.”

But the disturbing challenge of your book is your rejection of the American dream. My ancestors chose to come here. For them, America was the antidote to the crushing restrictiveness of European life, to the pogroms. For them, the American dream was an uplifting spiritual creed that offered dignity, the chance to rise.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 July 2015 13:42 (eight years ago) link

ok is that real

call all destroyer, Friday, 17 July 2015 13:44 (eight years ago) link

"excessive realism"

jmm, Friday, 17 July 2015 13:54 (eight years ago) link

That's a lot of words that could have been boiled down to "nanny nanny boo boo"

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 17 July 2015 14:02 (eight years ago) link

Dear Black Person, now that I have gotten the niceties out of the way, allow me to lecture you in the traditional fashion.

five six and (man alive), Friday, 17 July 2015 14:10 (eight years ago) link

i like the feint in this, "hey i wonder if maybe white people should just listen quietly for a second HA HA NO WAIT OF COURSE NOT"

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 17 July 2015 15:13 (eight years ago) link

"I TOTALLY HAD YOU, YOU THOUGHT I WAS SERIOUS ABOUT LISTENING QUIETLY, THAT WAS HILARIOUS"

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 17 July 2015 15:13 (eight years ago) link

http://jezebel.com/listening-to-ta-nehisi-coates-whilst-snuggled-deep-with-1718506352

'within my butthole', is how it ends

j., Friday, 17 July 2015 15:22 (eight years ago) link

In any case, you’ve filled my ears unforgettably.

Neil S, Friday, 17 July 2015 15:23 (eight years ago) link

^^^ absolutely the best part

Joan Crawford Loves Chachi, Friday, 17 July 2015 15:28 (eight years ago) link

"By dissolving the dream under the acid of an excessive realism, you trap generations in the past and destroy the guiding star that points to a better future"

uh no

the late great, Friday, 17 July 2015 22:39 (eight years ago) link

My ancestors chose to come here.
My ancestors chose to come here.
My ancestors chose to come here.
My ancestors chose to come here.
My ancestors chose to come here.
My ancestors chose to come here.
My ancestors chose to come here.
My ancestors chose to come here.
My ancestors chose to come here.
My ancestors chose to come here.
My ancestors chose to come here.
My ancestors chose to come here.
My ancestors chose to come here.

difficult listening hour, Friday, 17 July 2015 22:45 (eight years ago) link

the ways that piece fiercely believes it deserves to feel are in such dissonance with what it's forced to acknowledge graf-by-graf it really doesn't have anyplace to end up <i>except</i> as a condemnation of "excessive realism". we are close to the center here.

difficult listening hour, Friday, 17 July 2015 22:57 (eight years ago) link

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difficult listening hour, Friday, 17 July 2015 22:58 (eight years ago) link

reading that piece makes me so mad i can't even begin to articulate why it makes me mad. even under the best of conditions i am not such an articulate person, but this is just ... how did this idiot end up with a NYT column again?

the late great, Friday, 17 July 2015 23:09 (eight years ago) link

oh my god

horseshoe, Friday, 17 July 2015 23:11 (eight years ago) link

i suppose there's a more patronizing set of adjectives than "depth, power and richness" with which to praise the sounds a population makes when sustained in a state of terrified rage but if i could think of them i'd have a better gig

difficult listening hour, Friday, 17 July 2015 23:18 (eight years ago) link

he sounds like he's handwaving about coltrane

difficult listening hour, Friday, 17 July 2015 23:18 (eight years ago) link

those are all nouns, of course.

difficult listening hour, Friday, 17 July 2015 23:19 (eight years ago) link

how about calling it "searing" without seeming to understand that "My ancestors chose to come here" is the whole goddamn point. i'll sear you, david brooks!

horseshoe, Friday, 17 July 2015 23:19 (eight years ago) link

is there any evidence through the years that david brooks can read? serious question.

horseshoe, Friday, 17 July 2015 23:19 (eight years ago) link

can we just make this thread about the coates book? i haven't read it but i heard him read a paragraph from it aloud on the radio the other day and cried. it is just insanely beautiful. the section he read was about how black parents love their children with an almost insane love that makes them want to kill their kids rather than allow someone else (America) to do it. made me think about that lady who hit her son on camera and became a media sensation during the Baltimore uprising. made me think about Sethe in Beloved.

horseshoe, Friday, 17 July 2015 23:22 (eight years ago) link

new thread title xp

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 17 July 2015 23:23 (eight years ago) link

i mean, i have plenty of stupid friends / relatives / acquaintances who are always saying things along the lines of "well if nonwhites would stop obsessing about racism then they'd really get ahead in life" ... i just don't expect to see their views show up on the NYT editorial page

the late great, Friday, 17 July 2015 23:27 (eight years ago) link

i haven't read it either hs but his previous and thus softcover book just came in the mail; looking forward.

difficult listening hour, Saturday, 18 July 2015 00:05 (eight years ago) link

How do you come up with a phrase like "excessive realism" and not see the deep absurdity?

jmm, Saturday, 18 July 2015 00:18 (eight years ago) link

https://www.change.org/p/legally-change-david-brooks-name-to-this-fuckn-guy

― resulting post (rogermexico.), Saturday, June 27, 2015

resulting post (rogermexico.), Saturday, 18 July 2015 00:58 (eight years ago) link

lol!

the late great, Saturday, 18 July 2015 00:59 (eight years ago) link

reading the Coates book right now...it is so good.

horseshoe, Saturday, 18 July 2015 01:02 (eight years ago) link

horseshoe, it is good to see your posts itt

not a garbageman, i am garbage, man (m bison), Saturday, 18 July 2015 02:51 (eight years ago) link

<3 m bise

horseshoe, Saturday, 18 July 2015 02:57 (eight years ago) link

Man "excessive realism" ought to be the title of Coates' next book!

tylerw, Saturday, 18 July 2015 03:40 (eight years ago) link

otm, essay comp imo

difficult listening hour, Saturday, 18 July 2015 04:01 (eight years ago) link

omg the beautiful struggle has a pulp-fantasy-style map of baltimore in the front

difficult listening hour, Saturday, 18 July 2015 05:01 (eight years ago) link

wasn't he going to write a book about the civil war too? almost can't imagine how awesome that would be.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 18 July 2015 05:03 (eight years ago) link

As a family man, he was surprisingly relaxed and affectionate. We think of him as a man of marble, but he loved having his kids jump into bed with him and tickle his feet. With his wife’s loving cooperation, he could write witty and even saucy letters to other women. He was devout in his faith, a gifted watercolorist, a lover of animals and a charming conversationalist.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 18 July 2015 05:06 (eight years ago) link

alas poor robert

mookieproof, Saturday, 18 July 2015 05:15 (eight years ago) link

three months pass...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTt7cUgXIAAeJ5M.png

mookieproof, Friday, 13 November 2015 20:15 (eight years ago) link

I endured shambolic security lines, inexplicable delays and a four-hour layover sitting on the floor of the Casablanca airport, thinking it was nothing like the movie.

which movie? the one about people delayed in their departure from casablanca?

denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Friday, 13 November 2015 20:37 (eight years ago) link

Most straightforward and honest David Brooks writing ever. Maybe he just had an enema.

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Friday, 13 November 2015 21:26 (eight years ago) link

the little cubes of Turkish Delight that tasted as good as the kind gobbled by Edmund in the C.S. Lewis classic.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 November 2015 21:36 (eight years ago) link

david brooks has forgotten that book, tho he rereads the screwtape letters every christmas.

denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Friday, 13 November 2015 21:57 (eight years ago) link

he screws himself every xmas

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 November 2015 22:03 (eight years ago) link

and tapes it

Capitalism Is A Death Cult And Science Is A Whore (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 14 November 2015 00:33 (eight years ago) link

two weeks pass...

His instinct pointed him to pink but he was able to correct himself and choose blue.

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Friday, 4 December 2015 15:21 (eight years ago) link

i don't get the point DB is making there and i don't get what sonny bunch means re: trump either

goole, Friday, 4 December 2015 17:10 (eight years ago) link

And I don't know what to do /
Now that pink has turned to blue

Professor Goodfeels (kingfish), Friday, 4 December 2015 17:13 (eight years ago) link

I strongly suspect he did a search and replace changing "orange" to "pink" between the first and second drafts of that column.

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Friday, 4 December 2015 17:42 (eight years ago) link

i don't get the point DB is making there and i don't get what sonny bunch means re: trump either

― goole, Friday, December 4, 2015 5:10 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

brooks goes on to argue that, like the pink rug, trump is the loud, appealing & fun first instinct for the republican electorate--but really, they should focus on more of a "blue rug" candidate that they can live with, like jeb bush.

sonny bunches of oats then jokes about the persuasive power of a rug shopping metaphor for a trump voter

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 4 December 2015 22:11 (eight years ago) link

I strongly suspect he did a search and replace changing "orange" to "pink" between the first and second drafts of that column.

― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Friday, December 4, 2015 5:42 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and "teal" to "blue"

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 4 December 2015 22:12 (eight years ago) link

wait -- how can anyone or anything be "subtler and more prosaic"?

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 December 2015 22:13 (eight years ago) link

"you'll tire of the electric vibrancy!" has gotta be the weakest antifascist appeal in the history of mass politics

denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Friday, 4 December 2015 22:28 (eight years ago) link

lol

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 4 December 2015 22:38 (eight years ago) link

or is he still talking about his marriage?

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 4 December 2015 23:31 (eight years ago) link

he totally is. he thought he wanted the eye-catching pink! then too late, he realized all along, he was happy with the blue. Now the electric, vibrant option is telling him to throw out all his furniture and frankly, why can't you move into a cooler neighborhood

El Tomboto, Saturday, 5 December 2015 00:58 (eight years ago) link

This is subtle dog whistling by Brooks. 'Pink' codes as 'red' as in red states and conservative republicanism, while 'blue' codes as blue states and democratic allegiance. He's signaling he is a RINO.

Aimless, Saturday, 5 December 2015 01:45 (eight years ago) link

Two rugs diverged on a floor, and I
I bought the rug that popped my eye
Christ, I'm an asshole

Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 5 December 2015 05:31 (eight years ago) link

nytimes a social experiment in what happens when all your editorial columnists are self-clowning ovens

μpright mammal (mh), Saturday, 5 December 2015 05:39 (eight years ago) link

the soft pink truth

an emotionally withholding exterminator (m coleman), Saturday, 5 December 2015 14:14 (eight years ago) link

I read this yesterday and was so happy i paid $2.50 for the paper

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 5 December 2015 15:56 (eight years ago) link

lol

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 9 December 2015 17:07 (eight years ago) link

lol eephus

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 9 December 2015 17:08 (eight years ago) link

two months pass...

It's 2 a.m. The bar is closing. Republicans have had a series of strong and nasty Trump cocktails. Suddenly Ted Cruz is beginning to look kind of attractive. At least he's sort of predictable, and he doesn't talk about his sexual organs in presidential debates!

@dick_nixon 3h
Conrad spoke two languages before English, you know. David Brooks ought to be boiled in oil for writing like this.

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 March 2016 16:47 (eight years ago) link

heh

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 8 March 2016 16:49 (eight years ago) link

Nixon didn't speak English either.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 March 2016 17:05 (eight years ago) link

That's a pretty nonsensical metaphor.

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Tuesday, 8 March 2016 17:12 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...

oh he's really outdone himself with this one

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/11/opinion/sund4r-pichai-google-memo-diversity.html

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 13 August 2017 16:42 (six years ago) link

on pins and needles waiting for his Charlottesville column

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 13 August 2017 17:46 (six years ago) link

Ugh, the very thought makes me want to step off a bridge.

horseshoe, Sunday, 13 August 2017 18:04 (six years ago) link

three years pass...

"David Brooks really has three jobs because he has to raise his wife," my fiance said

— Sarah Jones (@onesarahjones) March 4, 2021

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 4 March 2021 19:03 (three years ago) link

rather condescending toward the wife

Judge Roi Behan (Aimless), Thursday, 4 March 2021 19:17 (three years ago) link

like giving vince carter a 6 at the dunk contest, come on

class project pat (m bison), Friday, 5 March 2021 02:28 (three years ago) link

That's hilarious. Is it wrong that I find that hilarious?

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Friday, 5 March 2021 03:06 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

“If Books Could Kill” covers David Brooks’ book

https://www.iheart.com/podcast/867-if-books-could-kill-104279346/episode/david-brookss-bobos-in-paradise-104750888/

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 17 November 2022 16:43 (one year ago) link

from the bobo thing it's amusing to learn that brooks has the exact same approach to class analysis as those edgy left podcasters who've robbed "PMC" of any concrete meaning

your original display name is still visible (Left), Thursday, 17 November 2022 21:35 (one year ago) link

PMC?

https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/PMC

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 18 November 2022 01:11 (one year ago) link

the professional-managerial class as conceptualised / later rejected as relevant concept by barbara ehrenreich, long since stripped of any material referents and turned into an all purpose woke/idpol/SJW equivalent by reactionary elements on the left

your original display name is still visible (Left), Friday, 18 November 2022 02:39 (one year ago) link

hearing more brooks classics it's no surprise obama was so shit with this kind of intellectual nourishment

his totally (by his own admission for once) imaginary scenario of a scat play fetish party cancelling an attendee for not recycling, presented as if he's making some kind of point, is hilarious and disturbing and probably where he accidentally peaked as a human being

he needs to stay the fuck away from joggers in parks

your original display name is still visible (Left), Friday, 18 November 2022 02:51 (one year ago) link

One of the worst paragraphs I’ve ever read pic.twitter.com/kZRfi2Ol0Y

— Hamilton Nolan (@hamiltonnolan) November 24, 2022

curmudgeon, Friday, 25 November 2022 00:57 (one year ago) link

From the comments on above tweet about Brooks saying his ears were straight outa Compton—

In 1991 when David Brooks was a 30 year old man writing columns about how the Black people who make the music he likes deserve poverty and suffering, his current wife was six years old

— Hilary Agro 🍄 @hilarya✧✧✧@masto✧✧✧.l✧✧ (@hilaryagro) November 24, 2022

curmudgeon, Friday, 25 November 2022 01:02 (one year ago) link

from the same column:

My body has matured; my tastes have not.

Then there are the times that are just awkward — like the time at a Nas concert when a seven-foot-tall woman in a black bodice came up to me and asked, “What on earth are you doing here?”

rejected Piano Man lyrics


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