― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:41 (nineteen years ago) link
In an alternate timeline where Germany won World War II and Great Britain is now a facist state
― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:42 (nineteen years ago) link
also of interest: Aranofsky to direct Watchmen! (note: Aronofsky no longer attached to title, just the thread title)
― Huk-L, Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― andrew l. r. (allocryptic), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:45 (nineteen years ago) link
http://www.watchmenmovie.com/
― Huk-L, Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:48 (nineteen years ago) link
now its just about them evil nazis taking over.
― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:51 (nineteen years ago) link
That's just a singe splash page, not a website! And I'll believe it when I see it.
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:52 (nineteen years ago) link
Watch them put in an "unmasking of V!" scene
Count on it!http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0700856/ is a hottie!
― Huk-L, Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:53 (nineteen years ago) link
― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 17 March 2005 18:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― sunburned and snowblind (kenan), Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-L, Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― sunburned and snowblind (kenan), Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:06 (nineteen years ago) link
From what I've heard, all versions of the script up to now have taken out the big alien and the ending. Don't ask me how. One screenwriter (I forget who) said, "You can't have a movie end with four million people dying in Manhattan. It's too ugly."
― sunburned and snowblind (kenan), Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:07 (nineteen years ago) link
x-post Fuck, yet another depressing yet believable cop-out.
― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― sunburned and snowblind (kenan), Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:13 (nineteen years ago) link
The only ostensibly positive thing about either movie getting made would be raising Moore's profile/making him a bunch of money and giving him a modicum of financial stability.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:14 (nineteen years ago) link
and, more importantly, james purefoy
― fe zaffe (fezaffe), Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link
(if he has any say in the matter, I mean)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― Curious George Finds the Ether Bottle (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:21 (nineteen years ago) link
oh I can think of a way they replace the original work. A SHIT LOAD MORE PEOPLE SEE IT, WTF.
― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link
haha - good for him. he's an upstanding chap.
"oh I can think of a way they replace the original work. A SHIT LOAD MORE PEOPLE SEE IT, WTF."
but the original books are still there, perfectly unmolested, available for all to read if they so wish. Movies are not comics. One does not replace the other - they exist parallel to each other.
let's face it - the best hope for a decent Watchmen movie was when Gilliam wanted to make it. But then Munchausen bombed and Gilliam got cold feet re: translatability of the script...
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:27 (nineteen years ago) link
At the bottom of the Aronofsky Watchmen thread linked above there's another link to an interview with the guy who IS directing Watchmen that might allay some concerns.
― Huk-L, Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― fe zaffe (fezaffe), Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link
Easy to say when it isn't your words putting bacon on the table. PK Dick was so damn broke at the end of his life, he would have been elated if they cut him a check to turn one of his movies into a musical comedy.
Moore has already had one movie not translate from the comic very well with "From Hell".
― earlnash, Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-L, Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:51 (nineteen years ago) link
One?! Can we get the full list of bad Moore adaptations? I'll start with LXG and SWAMP THING!
― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-L, Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:55 (nineteen years ago) link
LXG was awful.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 17 March 2005 19:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 17 March 2005 20:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― Pete Scholtes, Friday, 18 March 2005 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 18 March 2005 00:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― sunburned and snowblind (kenan), Friday, 18 March 2005 00:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― Pete Scholtes, Friday, 18 March 2005 00:22 (nineteen years ago) link
"It's a common device for serial killer films to let you know who the killer is right away."
Please tell me what these movies are, because I disagree. Obviously Jason/Mike Myers/Freddy etc are not analogous with Dr. Gull. I guess there's "Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer" and the various Gacy movies, but those don't involve a cop/investigator as the main protagonist - they feature the killers themselves as the protagonists (an approach which also wouldn't have worked with From Hell, I don't think).
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 18 March 2005 00:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 18 March 2005 00:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 18 March 2005 00:36 (nineteen years ago) link
*this has always vaguely annoyed me abt moore's "from hell" actually: gull is the easily least interesting of the various proposed rippers; a "from hell" based round james maybrick wd have been better
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 18 March 2005 00:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 18 March 2005 00:39 (nineteen years ago) link
It would've been nice if they'd squeezed Oscar Wilde and the Golden Dawn into the movie, but what can ya do... at least they managed to get the Elephant Man in there (tho not the reference to Ganesha, the Opener of Ways, sadly. Actually that's what I missed most from the movie - the depth of magical/mystical ref. points)
Dick's being thoroughly mined now Mark, don't worry. He wrote enough trash to fuel a million crappy sci-fi flicks.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 18 March 2005 00:40 (nineteen years ago) link
Anyone, turns in to more counterfactual nazi pron. yawn. Still, Natalie Portman eh? Can't all be bad.
― Dave B (daveb), Friday, 18 March 2005 00:51 (nineteen years ago) link
Henry, Silence of the Lambs, The Minus Man, American Psycho, Felicia's Journey (arguably), Eye of the Needles (arguably), Freeway, Natural Born Killers, I Was a Teenage Serial Killer, Summer of Sam, Bonnie and Clyde...
― Pete Scholtes, Friday, 18 March 2005 01:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 18 March 2005 01:35 (nineteen years ago) link
Wow. I missed that. This thread makes me want to reread those comics...
― Pete Scholtes, Friday, 18 March 2005 01:39 (nineteen years ago) link
and anyway none of these suggest a workable template for From Hell (w/the possible exception of American Psycho)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 18 March 2005 01:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 18 March 2005 13:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 18 March 2005 14:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 18 March 2005 14:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 18 March 2005 14:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― Silky Sensor (sexyDancer), Friday, 18 March 2005 16:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-L, Friday, 18 March 2005 16:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― Silky Sensor (sexyDancer), Friday, 18 March 2005 16:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― Huk-L, Friday, 18 March 2005 16:52 (nineteen years ago) link
Dude, just let me have my From Hell movie dream.
― Pete Scholtes, Monday, 21 March 2005 03:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 21 March 2005 04:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 March 2005 04:07 (eighteen years ago) link
ihttp://vforvendetta.warnerbros.com/img/poster_1.jpg
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 19:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 19:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 20:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― Negativa, True Believer (Sheryl Crow in a Britney costume) (Barima), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 08:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 08:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― Negativa, True Believer (Sheryl Crow in a Britney costume) (Barima), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 09:17 (eighteen years ago) link
Actually, a unique namedropping encounter, in that David was saying 'hello Martin' to me while I was still not sure if he was who I thought. I've not met a famous person before where that's happened.
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 11:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 11:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― Britain's Jauntiest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 11:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 11:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 12:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 12:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 13:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 19:57 (eighteen years ago) link
I haven't heard any more advance press about it. Are they still going with the Nazi angle? Is he still not going to blow up any buildings?
― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 29 July 2005 20:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 29 July 2005 20:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 29 July 2005 20:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sparkle Motion's Rising Force, Friday, 29 July 2005 21:16 (eighteen years ago) link
And no, it doesn't look bad. Shame about casting Natalie Portman, but it has Stephen Rea, too, and it's always good to see him. And Hugo Weaving will be perfect if they can resist an unmasking scene.
The repeated use of the word "uncompromising" in the ad campaign is perhaps a good sign. Did they actually stick very close to the source material? They want us to believe so, at any rate.
Surely there's a good (if un-PC, heady, and uncomfortable) movie in the material, no doubt. And the original GN has always been my least favorite of Moore's works -- it's him finding footing, and it's messy.
I have hope.
― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 29 July 2005 21:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 29 July 2005 21:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 29 July 2005 21:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 29 July 2005 22:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 29 July 2005 22:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― V for Vendetta fan, Friday, 29 July 2005 22:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 29 July 2005 22:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 29 July 2005 22:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― kit brash (kit brash), Saturday, 30 July 2005 00:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 30 July 2005 03:56 (eighteen years ago) link
Taken all together, I am now very excited by this.
― Dave B (daveb), Sunday, 31 July 2005 22:47 (eighteen years ago) link
What Moore found most laughable however were the details. "They don't know what British people have for breakfast, they couldn't be bothered. 'Eggy in a basket' apparently. Now the US have 'eggs in a basket,' whish is fried bread with a fried egg in a hole in the middle. I guess they thought we must eat that as well, and thought 'eggy in a basket' was a quaint and Olde Worlde version. And they decided that the British postal service is called Fedco. They'll have thought something like, 'well, what's a British version of FedEx... how about FedCo? A friend of mine had to point out to them that the Fed, in FedEx comes from 'Federal Express.' America is a federal republic, Britain is not."
David Lloyd was reported to have commented on the script at the recent Bristol comics convention. Superherohype posted a fan report talking to Lloyd, saying "he thinks it was very good for an Action Thriller, but is very much different from the Graphic Novel. He said that the character of Evey is less of a victim in this film and that he had met with The Wachoski Brothers."
― LOCKER ROOM TOWEL FIGHT: THE BLINDING OF LARRY DRISCOLL (Adrian Langston), Sunday, 31 July 2005 23:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Sunday, 31 July 2005 23:39 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.alanmoorefansite.com/news/may2005.html
― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Sunday, 31 July 2005 23:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 31 July 2005 23:53 (eighteen years ago) link
V: "This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is it vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished, as the once vital voice of the verisimilitude now venerates what they once vilified. However, this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified, and has vowed to vangquish these venal and virulent vermin vanguarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition.
"The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous. Verily, this vichyssoise of verbiage veers most verbose vis-à-vis an introduction, and so it is my very good honor to meet you and you may call me V."
Evey: "Are you like, a crazy-person?"
― Leeeeeee (Leee), Monday, 1 August 2005 02:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 1 August 2005 02:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― Leeeeeee (Leee), Monday, 1 August 2005 03:45 (eighteen years ago) link
Is it just me, or is "an uncompromising vision of the future, from the creators of the Matrix trilogy" one of the most unappealing taglines ever?
-- Tuomas (tuomas.alh...), June 29th, 2005.
it's just you.
i hope they set this in the actual 1997-8. it needs updating because the surveillance state looks very archaic (and it's run by about 6 people wtf). i can't believe they'll follow the 'logic' of v's anarchy, but then, the premise that self-government will miraculously follow a period of chaos may be a little bit shakey to begin with.
― N_RQ, Monday, 1 August 2005 07:37 (eighteen years ago) link
But the comic isn't saying that "self-government will miraculously follow", is it? People are free of the fascist government, but what happens next is (decidedly) left open.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 1 August 2005 11:11 (eighteen years ago) link
well, there is ambiguity there, but the logic of the thing is that self-government will miraculously prevail. perhaps i read it opstimistically, but i think that's how it's meant.
― N_RQ, Monday, 1 August 2005 11:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― N_RQ, Monday, 1 August 2005 13:03 (eighteen years ago) link
cuz that's horrible...
― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 1 August 2005 15:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Monday, 17 October 2005 00:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 31 October 2005 22:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 31 October 2005 22:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― kingfish orange creamsicle (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 31 October 2005 23:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 31 October 2005 23:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 04:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 09:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― N_RQ, Tuesday, 1 November 2005 09:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 19:17 (eighteen years ago) link
And it DID blow goats.
― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 23:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 1 November 2005 23:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dave B (daveb), Friday, 10 February 2006 13:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 10 February 2006 14:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 10 February 2006 14:36 (eighteen years ago) link
Will Natalie Portman return to her adolescent brilliance? I mean, same basic setup as Leon the Professional. I don't have audio @ work so can't tell if she's being totally boring again or what else is going on.
― TOMBOT, Friday, 10 February 2006 14:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― chap who would dare to be completely sober on the internet (chap), Friday, 10 February 2006 15:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 10 February 2006 16:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 February 2006 16:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― ledge (ledge), Friday, 10 February 2006 17:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Friday, 10 February 2006 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 10 February 2006 17:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 10 February 2006 17:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Friday, 10 February 2006 17:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 10 February 2006 17:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― elmo, patron saint of nausea (allocryptic), Friday, 10 February 2006 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 10 February 2006 17:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― chap who would dare to be completely sober on the internet (chap), Friday, 10 February 2006 17:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Friday, 10 February 2006 17:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jimmy Mod (I myself am lethal at 100 -110dB) (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 10 February 2006 17:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 February 2006 17:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― elmo, patron saint of nausea (allocryptic), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:02 (eighteen years ago) link
includes this (inadvertantly?) amusing one
― kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dan (Dibs On Anti-Matter) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Friday, 10 February 2006 21:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 10 February 2006 21:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― Lil' Eno (nordicskilla), Friday, 10 February 2006 21:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Friday, 10 February 2006 21:25 (eighteen years ago) link
Larry Wachowski in 2003 (in the middle)
― gear (gear), Friday, 10 February 2006 21:33 (eighteen years ago) link
For the record, he's been doing this wrt film projects for 10 years.
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 10 February 2006 21:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 10 February 2006 21:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 10 February 2006 21:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alba (Alba), Friday, 10 February 2006 21:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 10 February 2006 21:50 (eighteen years ago) link
There was an interesting feature on V for Vendetta in Vanity Fair last month.
― Alba (Alba), Friday, 10 February 2006 21:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alba (Alba), Friday, 10 February 2006 22:00 (eighteen years ago) link
From Hell is an okay film. LXG is unwatchable.
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 February 2006 22:42 (eighteen years ago) link
For the record, this is the first film project he's done this with.
― kit brash (kit brash), Saturday, 11 February 2006 01:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Saturday, 11 February 2006 02:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― kit brash (kit brash), Saturday, 11 February 2006 04:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 11 February 2006 07:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― elmo, patron saint of nausea (allocryptic), Saturday, 11 February 2006 09:17 (eighteen years ago) link
If the film's look and feel refuse to flee from the real world, its dialogue takes every chance to connect to it. We are told about the recent past, that "America's war grew worse and worse, and eventually came to London." Hot-button terms like "rendition" are sprinkled about; dissidents are handled as in a third-world dictatorship; and our hero (who calls himself V) lectures citizens who have surrendered their liberties to a government that promised to protect them from terrorism.
So it looks like the "what if Nazis won WWII" story might not be the basis for the film after all. If they've actually tried to make the films future sort of a logic continuation of today's situation (just like the comic was), that should prove interesting. Also, the word "terrorist" was used right in the trailer - so if this film actually tries comment on the current world politics too, I think that'd be a better approach than to try to adapt Moore's obsolete dystopy of the early eighties down to every detail. Then again, perhaps I'm placing too much trust on the Wachowski Bros. screenwriting abilities.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Saturday, 11 February 2006 10:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 11 February 2006 15:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― kit brash (kit brash), Sunday, 12 February 2006 03:02 (eighteen years ago) link
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/38/Alanmoore.jpg
I hope your days have been brightened.
― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Sunday, 12 February 2006 05:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― teeny (teeny), Sunday, 12 February 2006 12:02 (eighteen years ago) link
the end
― älänbänänä (alanbanana), Sunday, 12 February 2006 16:44 (eighteen years ago) link
And League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Why so patronising and so wrong, Kenan?
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Sunday, 12 February 2006 18:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Friday, 3 March 2006 12:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 3 March 2006 16:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 March 2006 16:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 3 March 2006 16:18 (eighteen years ago) link
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― Alba (Alba), Saturday, 4 March 2006 00:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alba (Alba), Saturday, 4 March 2006 00:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Saturday, 4 March 2006 00:54 (eighteen years ago) link
xp - that's Tom Ford!
― Adam Rice Lacucaracha (nordicskilla), Saturday, 4 March 2006 00:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 4 March 2006 00:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― Adam Rice Lacucaracha (nordicskilla), Saturday, 4 March 2006 00:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alba (Alba), Saturday, 4 March 2006 01:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― Adam Rice Lacucaracha (nordicskilla), Saturday, 4 March 2006 01:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Saturday, 4 March 2006 01:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 4 March 2006 23:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― antexit (antexit), Saturday, 4 March 2006 23:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― def zep (calstars), Sunday, 5 March 2006 01:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― Yes, well, Sunday, 5 March 2006 02:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― kit brash (kit brash), Sunday, 5 March 2006 13:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― koogs (koogs), Sunday, 5 March 2006 17:44 (eighteen years ago) link
Really--if Lindsay Anderson made a guilt-wracked, *really* angry socialist action movie, this would be it.
― Ian in Brooklyn, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 06:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 09:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sparkle Motion's Rising Force, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 20:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― My Psychic Friends Are Strangely Silent (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 21:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sparkle Motion's Rising Force, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 22:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sparkle Motion's Rising Force, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 22:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:21 (eighteen years ago) link
I can't imagine Moore complaining that it pulls any punches--if it were more explicit in its dusgust with both the USA and UK, it would be one endless libel suit.
― Ian in Brooklyn, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― Adamrl (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:22 (eighteen years ago) link
Fuckin great stuff.
― Ian in Brooklyn, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ian in Brooklyn, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:31 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0434409/board/threads/
Some sample threads:-Terrorists will like this movie
-Libertarian Party (Join the NEXT Revolution)
-Why would a conservative dislike this movie?
-THE VARIETY REVIEW SLAMMED THIS AS AWFUL
-Another Anti-American film
― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:35 (eighteen years ago) link
I believe that was pointed out, like, a month ago. I feel appropriately dumbassy. But thanks for stopping by.
― Joe Polniaczek (kenan), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:37 (eighteen years ago) link
When two Christian/Fascist G-men try to rape Portman and V shows up and *baffles* them into submission with this high speed monologue mainly using words that start with "v" and then sorta bitchslaps em with his hard, highly shiny cane.
― Ian in Brooklyn, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― Joe Polniaczek (kenan), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― Adamrl (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:41 (eighteen years ago) link
That's right--you read it here first folks--recent advances in bleeding edge modern technology have invented devices that allow for steady, fluid camera movements!
― Ian in Brooklyn, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:41 (eighteen years ago) link
x-post
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:42 (eighteen years ago) link
Thank the good folks at the IMDB boards, home to the most reactionary contrarianism by way of subliterate IGN types you'll find anywhere outside of certain ILM threads.
― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ian in Brooklyn, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:48 (eighteen years ago) link
hugo weaving's voice has always been his trump card
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:48 (eighteen years ago) link
heh
― Ian in Brooklyn, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― Adamrl (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― Adamrl (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 23:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 9 March 2006 00:01 (eighteen years ago) link
Internet Rule 452. b
Any imdb message board ALWAYS has a great chance at bringing the funny business.
― Jingo, Thursday, 9 March 2006 00:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 9 March 2006 01:04 (eighteen years ago) link
definite changes, but nothing severely drastic. i think where they did change things it just clarified or short-cutted certain things.
i enjoyed it. my expectations were low tho. and my movie tastes are probably weak. etc.
certainly political... but...
m.
― msp (mspa), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 04:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 13:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 14 March 2006 14:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 16:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 16:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 17:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 18:18 (eighteen years ago) link
-- Shakey Mo Collier (audiobo...), March 14th, 2006 11:44 AM. (later) (link)
My bet is it's completely gone, creating the "massive plotholes" Moore's been complaining about--Rose Almond and Helen Heyer aren't in the cast.
― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 19:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 19:54 (eighteen years ago) link
let me see if i can come closer with.... V doesn't turn into a unicorn at the end, but stuff does blow up.
don't let me overhype and ruin this for you.m.
― msp (mspa), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 20:13 (eighteen years ago) link
:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
― Dan (YOU'VE RUINED EVERYTHING) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 20:14 (eighteen years ago) link
Drudge has started posted links to reviews:
Torygraph (who take pains to point out that Tony Blair's son helped work on the film)
Roeper's
and i can't wait for the endless lazy "_____ for ____" constructions.
Also, how exactly did they pull off the "Britain is fascist now" explanation in the flick? Did they go with the much safer "WWII was lost" type of thing(as Roeper mentions), or do they actually infer that the people brought it on themselves(as in the book)?
― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 22:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 22:05 (eighteen years ago) link
This isn’t to discount McTeigue’s participation. He was the second unit director on all the “Matrix” films and on one of the “Star Wars” sequels. Listening to him last night, he’s obviously a smart man. But “V” is just too complex. Let’s just say he had around-the-clock and up-the-wazoo assistance from the strange Wachowskis.
We all know just how strange they are: by now the world is well-versed in brother Larry’s bid to be a transgender, and about his relationship with a dominatrix. It’s “Transamerica” for real, except instead of Felicity Huffman playing the part, it’s the man who helped think up “The Matrix.”
I'm curious about the segment of Fox's audience who're both completely clueless on the TG part yet culturally savvy enough to get the Transamerica mention.
― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 22:10 (eighteen years ago) link
From what little I know of the comics (my brother just gave me the graphic novel collection, but I haven't read it), this doesn't sound right at all: "What's remarkable about the Wachowski scenario, as opposed to Moore's original, is the degree to which it stands Fawkes on his head—recuperating this proto–suicide bomber as a figure of revolt."
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 22:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 22:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 22:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 14 March 2006 22:46 (eighteen years ago) link
it's basically sounding like several post-iraq wars happened, etc ... it provides details about the US that i don't recall from the book. although it's a little hard to trust some of that cause it's news propaganda. essentially there's a bunch of biotech fiascos that screw everything all to hell. some of that spelled out as government created fiasco. not fall out from greater disasters. seems like in reading the book, i had thought it was total nuclear insanity and britain was about all that was left.
that's funny that they are calling him a terrorist and not a freedom fighter... i mean, at every crossroads it's obvious that this is a futuristic, hardcore totalitarian state. how is he not fighting for their freedom? despite connections you could make to modern day states, it's still way beyond. sure, when they show torture chambers with prisoners in black hoods, you might think of abu ghraib, but... the offensive part is entirely the movie's fault is it? in the context of war/terror/revolution... what's the difference between terrorist and revolutionary but your perspective on the state being rebeled against?
one other thing... brace yourself for a couple of the hallowed jukebox selections... i believe i recall some cat power and some antony and the johnsons. m.
― msp (mspa), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 23:13 (eighteen years ago) link
The idea that the script is based on an alternative history 'if the Nazis had won world war II' seems to be a completely bogus internet rumor. Lawson and the other reviewer were having a laugh about the film's concept being that the Tory party had lurched to the authoritarian right in a crisis. The very idea etc. How soon they forget.
I'll make up my own mind on Friday. if it's half as good as the Dr. Phibes movies which inspired it, I'll be well pleased.
― soukesian, Tuesday, 14 March 2006 23:16 (eighteen years ago) link
i'm guessing they didn't go with "What a Wonderful World"-type golden pop tunes as symbols of innocence and/or the world gone by, huh?
xpost
― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 23:17 (eighteen years ago) link
"Beneath This Mask Another Mask"
― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 23:22 (eighteen years ago) link
Perhaps I don't understand the problem with granting 'absolute moral superiority' to a guy opposing (essentially) the Nazis? I can understand how doing so could make for a boring movie, but I don't really grasp the moral objection.
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 23:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 23:31 (eighteen years ago) link
x-post to kf...
there are some older classics. don't fret too bad. as a music fan tho, i'm a little on the fence still about cp+aatj's classic status in 15 years from now. at least he didn't get jiggy with "my humps" or some mediocre boy band of the moment.
― msp (mspa), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 23:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 23:33 (eighteen years ago) link
i'm suddenly reminded of the spawn soundtrack... featuring metal/hip hop hybrids i think... coworkers subjected it to me.
it's nowhere near that bad.m.
― msp (mspa), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 23:35 (eighteen years ago) link
Shame about Portman's accent...she has a great English accent actually, but it's a little posh girl voice instead of a wee urchin.
David Lloyd was there, giving a little talk about how happy he was with the film, and pleading with fanboys of the original to 'just go with it' and recognise that while some things have been changed, the essential spirit is still there.
That newsweek quote up there is really annoying: "the movie plays like a clumsy assault on post-9/11 paranoia". Well perhaps the reason it seems 'clumsy' is that actually, no, it's isn't just about fucking america!
― JimD (JimD), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 01:12 (eighteen years ago) link
Supremely ironic considering the book was a reaction to Thatcher's England. :D
Seeing all these reviews condemning it for portraying a terrorist as a hero make me really curious--in the comic, V was never the out-and-out hero. Anarchy was presented as the ideal form of government (real anarchy), but the fact that V was killing innocent people, torturing Evey, and making things a lot worse before they were better wasn't dismissed. Also, it was made pretty clear that he was absolutely insane. Does the movie gloss over all this, or are these reviewers merely very dense and hypersensitive to any image of a man blowing up a building?
(Completely unrelated aside: so is a "freedom fighter" just a terrorist who has more of a goal than just scaring people, or just one who is fighting a "bad government"?)
― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 02:08 (eighteen years ago) link
And James Wolcott's peevish dismissal of Denby's drift towards (ahem) "neo-conservatism":
I anticipated that my Upper West Side neighbor David Denby--such a trial for him, bumping into me wherever he goes--would render a negative verdict on V for Vendetta, and so he does, rapping his gavel with stern monotonony as he pronounces sentence. With this review and his pan of Why We Fight, I fear David is drifting toward neoconservatism, a doctrine more congenial to the sort of principled stands he likes to take, offering more room for rhetorical heroism. I pray I am wrong.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 03:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― gunther heartymeal (keckles), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 05:01 (eighteen years ago) link
I think they know that. Their point was that times have changed and the film launches at a time when Cameron is reforming the Tory leftwards.
― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 07:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 07:56 (eighteen years ago) link
Hah!
― Soukesian, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 08:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 08:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 09:51 (eighteen years ago) link
the book (am just re-reading this) has WWIII happening in about 1987, nuking of africa, nuclear winter over europe, fascists coming to power due to lack of anything else. book is set in 1997-1998. he's just sent out valentines. it is a very english book, am quite annoyed that it's been repositioned as anti-american.
(is great to see lloyd's art on buses btw)
(in an interview at the time moore said words to the effect of 'we had supposed that it would take a nuclear war to make england veer towards fascism. in the end all it took was giving people the right to buy their own council house...')
― koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 09:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 10:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― ledge (ledge), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 10:42 (eighteen years ago) link
No, it doesn't. V is still morally very dubious and at times is frightening, and Evey is much more resistant to him and his ideas than she was in the book. The relationship ends up being kind of similar to that of Jack and Tyler in Fight Club, actually, and I think the film manages to maintain a similarly detached attitude to its 'hero'. Whichever review it was that said "She kisses him, therefore the film agress with him about everything" was just mindless.
am quite annoyed that it's been repositioned as anti-american.
I don't think it has. It's still very british, and politically is perhaps more believable than the original. The ruling government is explicitly shown to be a third party (not labour or tory) who gained power on a wave of post-terror fear and a swing to the right in the electorate, not the ruling power, ie yes, people did bring it on themselves. Unlike the book, this didn't require anything as drastic as a collapse-then-rebuilding of government after a nuclear war, just (what appeared to be) a large scale terrorist attack followed by the promise of protection. So the society they end up with (in the film) does feel less removed from where we are now, and that strengthens the story a lot I think. The feeling is that the people haven't had their freedoms forcibly taken away, so much as they've willingly given them up in return for their security. Which for my money means that the film is definitely anti-British rather than anti-American (Hello ID cards, etc).
― JimD (JimD), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 10:58 (eighteen years ago) link
Again though, this meant it felt closer to reality, and therefore, I think, better. The acceptance of dictatorship was an insidious, electorate-approved thing, not a seizing of control by an unpopular power.
everyone in the movie seemed well fed and well dressed and pretty content.
Kind of like in modern day China, perhaps? It doesn't make sense for a dictatorship to keep its subjects miserable, that just inspires revolt. Much more sensible and dangerous to keep them reasonably happy with one hand, whilst with the other hand you take away their freedoms.
― JimD (JimD), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 11:03 (eighteen years ago) link
The last time I looked, London seemed more like a prosperous pleasure garden
Jesus wept...
― JimD (JimD), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 11:14 (eighteen years ago) link
"England's not-quite 9-11 (a pretext for a crackdown on Catholics and foreigners), this thwarted conspiracy—celebrated every year as Guy Fawkes Day—has an even more hysterical significance. Had it been successful, the explosion would have vaporized half of London and thus, in its state-of-the-art carnage, offered a foretaste of Hiroshima."
i'm not an expert on explosives but: o rly?
― The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 11:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 11:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 11:38 (eighteen years ago) link
Um. No. There was a show last year at a MoD range, presented by Richard Hammond, where they exactly replicated the blast (down to authentic gunpowder). It would have been a very big bang, and certainly would have as good as destroyed parliament and caused fairly significant damage for about a mile radius (through the blast wave and thrown rubble), but wouldn't have caused that sort of effect.
― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 12:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 16:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 16:20 (eighteen years ago) link
"It doesn't matter that they all have funny accents, this movie is CLEARLY an attack on america and the president!" etc
― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 16:35 (eighteen years ago) link
i hope the movie isn't demonized... because a) we all need to be reminded that our country isn't this bigbro+nazi++ totalitarian regime... and b) where our country is like this country, we need to be thinking hard about that...
i wish people would see a movie like this and not dismiss it.m.
― msp (mspa), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 16:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 17:00 (eighteen years ago) link
haha, xpost!
um, 'newsflashes and stuff about america' != CCTV
― JimD (JimD), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 17:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― msp (mspa), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― JimD (JimD), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 17:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― msp (mspa), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 17:33 (eighteen years ago) link
that's what I meant. is there an updated thing in the flick that takes the place of the threat/symbol of CCTV circa 1980?
― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 19:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― JimD (JimD), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 19:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― mike h. (mike h.), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 19:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 19:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 19:20 (eighteen years ago) link
yeah, there are little nods to stake out vans... and "88% of conversation indicates that people still think xyz".... and office rooms being bugged, so the good cops pull out some kind of jammer device or something... etc.m.
― msp (mspa), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 19:33 (eighteen years ago) link
yeah, maybe my opinion is awful. what do i fuckin know? it was free and i had a good time.m.
― msp (mspa), Friday, 17 March 2006 16:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Friday, 17 March 2006 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 17 March 2006 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Friday, 17 March 2006 16:37 (eighteen years ago) link
That's what I felt it was missing - ok so maybe today's dictatorship ensures its citizens have some degree of comfort, but if there's *no* privation or repression - and I didn't get much of a sense of any from the movie - then what is the point in rebelling?
― ledge (ledge), Friday, 17 March 2006 16:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― ledge (ledge), Friday, 17 March 2006 17:02 (eighteen years ago) link
Don't answer that...
― ledge (ledge), Friday, 17 March 2006 17:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 17 March 2006 17:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 17 March 2006 17:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Friday, 17 March 2006 17:36 (eighteen years ago) link
Portman Bold ... and Bald ... in 'V for Vendetta' Thursday, March 16, 2006By Michael Kane
Natalie Portman, why must you grow up? You were just so perfectly pixie, skating around and doing the "doo, da-doo, da-doo" from that Lou Reed tune in "Beautiful Girls," or getting teary-eyed at a funeral for a hamster in "Garden State."
Now you're playing a gangsta rapper on "Saturday Night Live" and blowing up British Parliament in "V for Vendetta."
And, Natalie, can we talk about the hair? Does a nice girl go out and get her head shaved?
Meet the radical new Natalie, 24 years old and graduated from Harvard. Out of "Star Wars." And out to change the world, one subversive psychodrama at a time...
and it goes on, etc
― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 17 March 2006 17:42 (eighteen years ago) link
i have never seen her give a good performance in a movie, however.
― amateurist0, Friday, 17 March 2006 17:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 17 March 2006 17:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― amateurist0, Friday, 17 March 2006 17:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― amateurist0, Friday, 17 March 2006 18:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― amateurist0, Friday, 17 March 2006 18:06 (eighteen years ago) link
help me out here dudes
― amateurist0, Friday, 17 March 2006 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― vahid (vahid), Saturday, 18 March 2006 09:04 (eighteen years ago) link
Anyone else think the guy playing the ranting TV journalist had modelled his look and mannerisms rather closely on Christopher Hitchens?
― Soukesian, Saturday, 18 March 2006 11:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 18 March 2006 15:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 18 March 2006 15:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Brainwasher (Twilight), Saturday, 18 March 2006 18:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 18 March 2006 18:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 18 March 2006 18:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Saturday, 18 March 2006 19:33 (eighteen years ago) link
It totally kicked @$$ and I'm going to see it again!
― Michael Vanier, Saturday, 18 March 2006 20:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― chaki (chaki), Saturday, 18 March 2006 23:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― Soukesian, Sunday, 19 March 2006 00:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Brainwasher (Twilight), Sunday, 19 March 2006 00:43 (eighteen years ago) link
Aaronovitch or Littlejohn, surely?
― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Sunday, 19 March 2006 01:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Sunday, 19 March 2006 01:58 (eighteen years ago) link
it was an especially good hollywood superhero fantasy
― vahid (vahid), Sunday, 19 March 2006 02:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― chaki (chaki), Sunday, 19 March 2006 02:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― vahid (vahid), Sunday, 19 March 2006 02:15 (eighteen years ago) link
most people seemed to think it was too slow. i overheard one guy saying "natalie portman's tits can save most bad movies, but ..."
― vahid (vahid), Sunday, 19 March 2006 02:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― chaki (chaki), Sunday, 19 March 2006 02:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer is a belly with a guy pierce in it (latebloomer), Sunday, 19 March 2006 02:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 19 March 2006 02:23 (eighteen years ago) link
-- Chuck_Tatum (sappy_papp...), March 18th, 2006.
um, you do know that the US gov't has experimented on unwitting citizens many times in the past, right? do the tuskeegee experiments ring a bell? the radiation experiments that clinton belatedly apologised for? or the cloud of bacteria sprayed over san francisco by the navy? MK-ULtra experiments?
but you're right, the movie was kinda "meh" though
― latebloomer is a belly with a guy pierce in it (latebloomer), Sunday, 19 March 2006 02:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― chaki (chaki), Sunday, 19 March 2006 02:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer is a belly with a guy pierce in it (latebloomer), Sunday, 19 March 2006 02:32 (eighteen years ago) link
ilx, help me decide: should i go see this or "she's the man"?That's a tough one. "She's The Man" is being called this generation's "Mean Girls," so...
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Sunday, 19 March 2006 02:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer is a belly with a guy pierce in it (latebloomer), Sunday, 19 March 2006 02:50 (eighteen years ago) link
She's the man, obv.
― My Psychic Friends Are Strangely Silent (Ex Leon), Sunday, 19 March 2006 02:53 (eighteen years ago) link
-- vahid (vfoz...), March 18th, 2006 9:10 PM. (vahid) (later) (link)
That's the problem, though--IT WASN'T. It should have been, and it could have been, but it wasn't. Batman Begins was easily FAR superior. In fact, as a hollywood comic book movie, it was decidedly mediocre. The direction, cinematography, production design, and most of the acting (Stepehen Fry, Stephen Rea being the notible exceptions, Hugo Weaving gets points for trying VERY HARD) was decidedly uninteresting. Especially the directing. CLOSE-UPS ON FACES MEANS IT'S SERIOUS BUSINESS.
As for film vs. comic books, it was as good as adaptation as one could expect, they just didn't focus on what *I* would have liked to have seen a focus on--namely, the questionable morality of V's actions (most notably changed in his broadcast to the populace, where he sided with the people instead of blaming them for their government) and the "it could happen IN YOUR COUNTRY" air of the government in the comic. I felt the "OMG A CONSPIRACY" explanation was in place to make it seem less of an all-too-real threat of elected fascism and simply the well-planned coup of a few people. Honestly, all those reviewers bitching about the "anti-US/UK sentiment" are really hypersensitive and should never be allowed to read the comic lest their poor little brains explode for being so offended. I felt that the absence of Rose Almond was SORELY missed, as it kind of took all the emotional strength out of the "this government sucks" argument. Also making her parents into "activists" instead of just people with "the wrong kind of past" made the government less scary.
In conclusion, Stephen Fry stole the fucking movie away from everyone else and ran with it, I am mad V didn't show Delia his face, and that whole "love story" thing was gross.
― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Sunday, 19 March 2006 06:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― adam (adam), Sunday, 19 March 2006 06:04 (eighteen years ago) link
i got bored w/ "batman begins" about 2/3rd of the way through. let's stop acting like "batman begins" is the "citizen kane" of superhero movies. there was a bunch of garbage in that film, too.
"v for vendetta" = "darkman" done right!
― vahid (vahid), Sunday, 19 March 2006 06:15 (eighteen years ago) link
The best superhero movie thus far (haven't seen V yet) is Hellboy. Even that wasn't as good the second time around, it lost a lot going from big-screen to DVD.
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Sunday, 19 March 2006 06:22 (eighteen years ago) link
b-b-b-b-but...he was a NINJA. :(((((
Oh and props to Hellboy! So underrated.
― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Sunday, 19 March 2006 06:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― adam (adam), Sunday, 19 March 2006 06:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― adam (adam), Sunday, 19 March 2006 06:24 (eighteen years ago) link
And, of course, Howard the Duck (or did the comic book come after?).
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Sunday, 19 March 2006 06:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Sunday, 19 March 2006 06:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― vahid (vahid), Sunday, 19 March 2006 07:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― chaki (chaki), Sunday, 19 March 2006 08:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer is a belly with a guy pierce in it (latebloomer), Sunday, 19 March 2006 11:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 19 March 2006 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― DV (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 19 March 2006 18:46 (eighteen years ago) link
It predates the film by about a decade or so. My cousin Alan drew a few issues in the mid-70s.
― phil d. (Phil D.), Sunday, 19 March 2006 20:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― Hal! Jordan! HAL! JORDAN! (Barima), Sunday, 19 March 2006 20:36 (eighteen years ago) link
Okay, I accept the likely possibility that that speech is worded differently in the book (which I haven't read) but what part of "if you want to know who to blame, you should look in a mirror" was ambiguous in that speech?
Seriously, do some of you EVER pay attention to ANYTHING you watch or hear????
― Dan (Wow) Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 19 March 2006 21:08 (eighteen years ago) link
-- Hal! Jordan! HAL! JORDAN! (b4rim4_...), March 19th, 2006.
oh in this one she magically changes instead of dressing up?
― latebloomer is a belly with a guy pierce in it (latebloomer), Sunday, 19 March 2006 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dan (And "O", Heh) Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 19 March 2006 21:18 (eighteen years ago) link
HA HA! Big time! I knew he seemed familiar.
― DV (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 19 March 2006 21:20 (eighteen years ago) link
The sequence with Evey's torture and the note and everything was terrific, and I loved all the scenes with the crusty, disinterested cop (who is never revealed to have a heart of gold or anything).
(Also noted that despite the 30-year time difference and apparent destruction of continental Europe or somesuch, they were still making 2006 BMWs. Fascist cops drive like this...)
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Sunday, 19 March 2006 21:45 (eighteen years ago) link
-- Dan (Wow) Perry (djperry@gmail.com), March 19th, 2006 4:08 PM. (Dan Perry) (later) (link)
I DID hear that line, but the overall tone of the speech was drastically different in the book, which had a much more scathing indictment of the populace. I didn't mean to say he let the population off entirely, just that the general focus of the speech had changed from an indictment/warning to a call for an uprising.
― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Sunday, 19 March 2006 21:55 (eighteen years ago) link
anyway like i said above i liked that movie V avoided some of the really shitty stuff in the original, but overall... i dunno. despite really liking a lot of it, the way they went with the ending still bothers me.
and the best superhero movies are:
supermanblade ONE
― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 19 March 2006 22:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― keyth (keyth), Sunday, 19 March 2006 23:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 19 March 2006 23:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alba (Alba), Sunday, 19 March 2006 23:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Sunday, 19 March 2006 23:54 (eighteen years ago) link
http://img23.imagevenue.com/loc24/th_87460_sey_12.jpg
― latebloomer is a belly with a guy pierce in it (latebloomer), Sunday, 19 March 2006 23:58 (eighteen years ago) link
The thing about that Valerie letter, and some of V's speeches, was that they dangled profundity in front of you, which didn't sit very well with the hokum of the rest of it. It was frustrating. Easier just to write it all off as enjoyable exploitation flick, as Mark Kermode did, but I couldn't quite do that.
― Alba (Alba), Monday, 20 March 2006 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alba (Alba), Monday, 20 March 2006 00:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Monday, 20 March 2006 00:02 (seventeen years ago) link
Anna Paquin would have made a good Evey, I think.
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Monday, 20 March 2006 00:05 (seventeen years ago) link
I don't mind the idea of V being mad and not a hero, and he suggested as much himself when he said that for every reaction there was an opposite reaction, that he was a monster born of their monstrosity. But there's accepting that idea in principle, and then there's feeling like a film coherently conveys it, and I don't think it did. It cast him as the clear-thinking, righteous crusader too often. It's not a problem if V himself is incoherent – but the film shouldn't be.
― Alba (Alba), Monday, 20 March 2006 00:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish, Monday, 20 March 2006 00:14 (seventeen years ago) link
who was it who said every superhero movie is really about the moment the main character goes from being a "normal" to being a superhero?
i think every superhero movie is sort of a let-down after the "becoming a superhero" scene. def for me, the climax (and best part of this film) was evey in the rain, and just like "batman begins" once that point had passed the movie wasn't so great anymore.
it's too bad that the cop's imagined ending (the girl getting shot, brixtoners retaliating, riots starting, etc) was so much more exciting than the actual ending.
as for the poster who asked what and how had made the family political after st mary's ... i think they showed the little girl (evey) passing out biohazard-marked fliers. i guess the family just became hardline greens or something. or maybe the turned into "us gov't did 9.11" type crazies.
― vahid (vahid), Monday, 20 March 2006 01:55 (seventeen years ago) link
or, do we need to know EXACTLY HOW bruce wayne ends up in rural tibet? and how the the league of shadows tracked him to rural tibet? etc etc.
if you measure v for vendetta by the superhero yardstick it makes good sense. if you try to treat it like a police procedural, you're being unfair.
But there's accepting that idea in principle, and then there's feeling like a film coherently conveys it, and I don't think it did. It cast him as the clear-thinking, righteous crusader too often
you can say what you want about bin laden, but you can't argue with "clear-thinking" and "righteous". why should he not be clear-thinking? i mean, part of what makes him the particular superhero that he is is his singleminded doggedness about his revenge. he's a moral juggernaut! and anyway i think that "monstrous" doesn't need to mean "confused and wrong". you can be "clear-thinking, righteous" and still be monstrous! (see: bin laden, bush, etc)
― vahid (vahid), Monday, 20 March 2006 02:03 (seventeen years ago) link
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Monday, 20 March 2006 02:04 (seventeen years ago) link
well. v never said "i'm out to spread valerie's message of love". he wanted bloody revenge for her death (and his own mutilation) and that was it. there's no reason why v shouldn't be the inverse of valerie's ideal (every action produces it's opposite, right?). the person who really ended up picking up that thread and going with it was evey, who lived out valerie's happy ending in real life: shaved-headed but safely underground (in the fake ID sense), doing her own thing, watching old movies.
― vahid (vahid), Monday, 20 March 2006 02:08 (seventeen years ago) link
does it make me a bad person that i was disappointed that the soldiers stood down?
― vahid (vahid), Monday, 20 March 2006 02:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Monday, 20 March 2006 02:13 (seventeen years ago) link
oh yeah, i was thinking the exact same thing about BB today... i was loving it up to the point where he becomes batman, then i fell asleep. but i think i already said that exact thing upthread so never mind!
i don't understand why they didn't have the scene of evey putting on the v mask! and i was NOT onboard for the crowd of "V"s. i hate crowd/mob scenes in movies, they're always so corny no matter what.
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 20 March 2006 05:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 20 March 2006 06:07 (seventeen years ago) link
-- vahid (vfoz...), March 19th, 2006 9:09 PM. (vahid) (later) (link
No, it would have been a WAY BETTER ENDING if the soldiers had just opened fire on everyone.
― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Monday, 20 March 2006 06:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― vahid (vahid), Monday, 20 March 2006 07:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― vahid (vahid), Monday, 20 March 2006 07:19 (seventeen years ago) link
See, this would make more sense if the word you repsonding to was "self-righteous". Righteous actually means, y'know, right.
Cracking heads when you're outnumbered 20/30-1: not such a bright idea. Also, cracking masks.
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 20 March 2006 09:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alba (Alba), Monday, 20 March 2006 09:54 (seventeen years ago) link
Huh? Valerie didn't act on V - the government did.
― Alba (Alba), Monday, 20 March 2006 09:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alba (Alba), Monday, 20 March 2006 09:57 (seventeen years ago) link
I think we were meant to assume that the regime had disintegrated from within, like in East Germany or Czechoslovakia, only in a more telescoped fashion to suit the demands of a film. i.e. the regime had been acting more and more erratically, demoralising the soldiers, and without some senior regime type shouting "shoot the fuckers" down a radio it was enough for the soldiers to just give up.
This was not the part of the film that required greatest suspension of disbelief.
― DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 20 March 2006 10:18 (seventeen years ago) link
Oh for fuck's sake.
― Dan (PAY ATTENTION) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 20 March 2006 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dan (Kind Of Obviously Featured) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 20 March 2006 15:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Monday, 20 March 2006 15:30 (seventeen years ago) link
― DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 20 March 2006 15:40 (seventeen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 20 March 2006 15:44 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dan (I Still Don't Think The Girl Is Dead) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 20 March 2006 15:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dan (It's True!) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 20 March 2006 15:47 (seventeen years ago) link
It would have made more sense if they actual people had been riddled with bullet holes then.
― Alba (Alba), Monday, 20 March 2006 16:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alba (Alba), Monday, 20 March 2006 16:09 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.mtv.com/shared/movies/interviews/m/moore_alan_060315/
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 March 2006 16:13 (seventeen years ago) link
maybe thats were all the bollocks in the film came from
― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 20 March 2006 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link
e.g. the whole "order from chaos" bit.
― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 20 March 2006 16:47 (seventeen years ago) link
Let's keep in mind that everyone slamming this film for deviating from the GN is aligning themselves with Charles Manson.
― Dan (H Is For Haircut) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 20 March 2006 16:48 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 March 2006 16:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 20 March 2006 16:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 March 2006 17:00 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.mtv.com/shared/movies/interviews/m/moore_alan_060315/images/main2.jpg
― Dan (Is That Better?) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 20 March 2006 17:02 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.calendarlive.com/media/photo/2006-03/22487024.jpg
Codsarnit, i thot elves couldn't grow facial hair!
from this L.A. Times bit
― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 20 March 2006 17:05 (seventeen years ago) link
― pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Monday, 20 March 2006 17:07 (seventeen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 20 March 2006 18:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 20 March 2006 18:47 (seventeen years ago) link
Doubtless I'll eventually see the film but I agree that this would have been a cool road to go down.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 March 2006 18:47 (seventeen years ago) link
(xp)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 20 March 2006 18:48 (seventeen years ago) link
― DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 20 March 2006 19:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 March 2006 19:05 (seventeen years ago) link
y'know, that's entire possible. hmmm.
― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 20 March 2006 19:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Monday, 20 March 2006 21:54 (seventeen years ago) link
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Monday, 20 March 2006 21:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Monday, 20 March 2006 22:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 March 2006 22:16 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dan (Cum In Packs Of Twelve) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 20 March 2006 22:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 March 2006 22:18 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.najical.com/s-o/season2/sno/conv_intdec3.jpg
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 March 2006 22:20 (seventeen years ago) link
xpost wtf is that?
― kephm (kephm), Monday, 20 March 2006 22:24 (seventeen years ago) link
You don't know? Dude.
http://www.sifl-n-olly.com/
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 March 2006 22:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dan (Hahaha Ned!) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 20 March 2006 22:27 (seventeen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 20 March 2006 23:24 (seventeen years ago) link
Stephen Fry was fine, but I'm not sure the director told him what kind of movie he was starring in; nor was he introduced to the rest of the cast. The always-terrific Stephen Rea was more convincing as a man of pained conscience than Natalie-as-Falconetti. No one's mentioned Rupert Graves, veteran of lots of Merchant Ivory films, as Rea's assistant.
So OTM. I said so to my companion: "He's Hitchens turned into what his leftist critics always suspected he was."
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:33 (seventeen years ago) link
i don't get what you mean... are you saying that we should take it less seriously just because it's based on a GN?
― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:40 (seventeen years ago) link
haha excellent point.
― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:41 (seventeen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:43 (seventeen years ago) link
There's this fellow called Peter Hitchens...
― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:47 (seventeen years ago) link
This is a film whose intentions are seriously misguided. Of course, in case we missed the point the director soaks us in violence done by the purported hero that's no different than what the totalitarian state does: the execution of the police in the final third is slowed down so that we don't miss any evisceration, laceration, or spurt of blood.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:47 (seventeen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:54 (seventeen years ago) link
Oh yeah draw that line reeeeeeeeeeeeeeal thick.
[blast you slicko]
― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:55 (seventeen years ago) link
?
― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 21:58 (seventeen years ago) link
― Yawn (Wintermute), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:01 (seventeen years ago) link
Mark Kermode on V for Vendetta
― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:03 (seventeen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:06 (seventeen years ago) link
arggghhhhhhhhh - way to dismiss an entire medium out of hand. very astute of you.
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:09 (seventeen years ago) link
Now I'm going to reread The Watchmen.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:47 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:50 (seventeen years ago) link
Time Warner promotes terrorism and anti-Christian bigotry in new leftist movie, 'V for Vendetta'
― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 23:02 (seventeen years ago) link
Gospelcom.net: One gets the distinct impression from this film that the true threats to the freedom of man are the adherence to Christian and conservative philosophies..
MensNewsDaily: Too many great quotes from this one to count. Moore was not really writing about Thatcher, Nazis are really Socialists, etc etc
― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 23:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 00:45 (seventeen years ago) link
WND: Ironically, points out Baehr, a homosexual character who owns homosexual pornography also owns a banned copy of the Quran.
IRONY!
Plugged In: Nevertheless, V makes blowing up buildings look very cool and very justifiable. It's hard to measure or predict the impact such images and ideas might have in today's culture, where blasting buildings to make political statements has become a raw reality.
(tho the last one is a bit more even-handed/level-headed)
― kingfish ubermensch dishwasher sundae (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 23 March 2006 17:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 23 March 2006 17:20 (seventeen years ago) link
I say BRING ON THE MENTALISTS!
― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 23 March 2006 17:21 (seventeen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 23 March 2006 17:22 (seventeen years ago) link
honestly the idea he tosses off in the last paragraph about a US-centric story sounds 100% better than whatever the Wachowskis have come up with
otm!
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 23 March 2006 17:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 23 March 2006 17:39 (seventeen years ago) link
― ryan (ryan), Thursday, 23 March 2006 17:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 23 March 2006 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link
i'm not posting these due to them surprising anyone, i'm linking them b/c they tend to be funny, revealing, and in the case of that MND one, really weird. It's like documenting the batshit War on Christmas stuff; watching these guys get themselves into a froth over a not-too-sublte cultural jibe holds a bizarre fascination for me.
Also, the one from Plugged In(the movie review site linked up to Focus on the Family, is surprisingly charitable.
― kingfish ubermensch dishwasher sundae (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 23 March 2006 18:04 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 23 March 2006 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Thursday, 23 March 2006 20:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― toby (tsg20), Sunday, 26 March 2006 00:44 (seventeen years ago) link
― fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Sunday, 26 March 2006 01:24 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 26 March 2006 01:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 26 March 2006 01:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― toby (tsg20), Sunday, 26 March 2006 11:27 (seventeen years ago) link
V for VendettaW for WrevengeX for Xtremism
― StanM (StanM), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link
*As I expected, they downplayed the anarchist themes, which was unfortunate. It's easy to make a story where someone opposes an evil fascist government, but for better or worse I think Moore's ponderings on anarchy is what separates the comic from other similar dystopies. So the V's telly speech about how it was the people's own fault for letting their leaders guide them was toned down drastically, the monologue with the justice statue was changed, etc. The only hints of anarchism in the movie were rather subliminal, i.e. the shoplifter saying "It's anarchy in the UK!" and the fact that V's symbol is almost like an upside down anarchist "A".
*The ending with the Houses of Parliament blowing up was probably the weakest part. The comic ended with angry folks uprising against the fascists, which was a much stronger finale. In the film, the bombing carried an enormous symbolic weight, but it was symbolic of what exactly? The failings of parliamentarism? If the film would've included the comic's anarchist themes, that might've been an option, but now the symbolism was kinda weak. Of course V's speech about how bombing a building can be revolutionary act was a brave move, but still... The comic ended with the explosion of Downing Street, which was the fascist government's operational center, but I'm not sure if the movie ever implied the government resided in the Houses of Parliament.
*The scenes with the V masks and the ending with people taking them off was a very nice touch, one of the changes to the comic that I think actually played out fine.
*Another thing where I felt the film improved upon the comic was the final scenes with V and Evey. V says that he must leave the final choice to Eve, and that his work is done. This I think was a better ending than in the comic. In the film V is more of a counterforce to the fascists, a necessary monster they've created, and once the fascists are dealt with he must perish too, and leave people's fate into their own hands. Whereas in the comic Evey becomes the new V, and it feels like her job is to watch that people don't stray from the narrow path again, which is against the very idea of anarchism. Of course, a single person deciding the fate of a nation is rather anti-anarchist too, but since V is supposed to be a symbol of anarchy rather than a real person, it's sort acceptable. Evey, however is clearly a real person and not a symbol.
*Stephen Rea was very good as Finch, but he wasn't given that much to work with. The humanizing scenes with Finch that were in the comic were mostly left out. I can't say whether Natalie Portman was good or bad, since in the film he was mostly V's puppet, and had very few scenes of her own. Again, a lot of the stuff that fleshed her out in the comic was left off. Obviously they couldn't have included everything from the comic, but what I missed the most were all the subplots with characters like Rose Almond, which showed the banal side of fascism. Now, the actual analysis of the workings of fascism was kinda thin, though maybe you shouldn't expect that much from a Wachowski brothers film.
*I'm glad they kept Evey's prison scenes from the comic almost intact, since that obviously was the true climax in both versions. The scenes with Evey reading Valerie's letters actually made me cry. I like Alan Moore the idealist more than the disillusioned cynic he later turned into.
*The human dictator in the comic was more interesting than the Big Brother one in the film. John Hurt's Hitler mannerisms were okay I guess, but it felt kinda silly that he had to use them to his closest men and not just in his public appearances. It was a nice touch that we never saw him in real life until his final scene.
* The Benny Hill tribute was great!
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 30 March 2006 16:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 30 March 2006 16:28 (seventeen years ago) link
I liked that too, but I was beginning to think I was the only one.
― Soukesian, Thursday, 30 March 2006 16:29 (seventeen years ago) link
(x-post)
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 30 March 2006 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― elmo, holy helper (allocryptic), Thursday, 30 March 2006 16:41 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 30 March 2006 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 30 March 2006 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 30 March 2006 18:07 (seventeen years ago) link
― kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 31 March 2006 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 31 March 2006 01:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 31 March 2006 06:35 (seventeen years ago) link
Quickly designated "a melodrama in sixteen parts," the prologue first appeared in Cerebus #124, published by Aardvark-Vanaheim in 1989. The chapters proper began appearing in Taboo, edited by Stephen Bissette (Alan Moore's former collaborator on Swamp Thing) beginning in Taboo #2. Taboo was published intermittently and stopped publication with #7, which featured chapter 6 of From Hell.These early episodes were collected in From Hell volumes 1-3, first published from 1991-1993, alone with Moore's appendices. After the demise of Taboo, this series continued with new material, beginning with volume 4 in 1994.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 31 March 2006 07:24 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 31 March 2006 07:28 (seventeen years ago) link
DC bought Wildstorm once the contracts were signed and development work done, first issue or so drawn etc. Moore stuck around because it would be depriving a dozen artists of work if he flounced off on principle. He'd been doing work for hire solidly for six years at that point (Spawn, Violator, Bloodfeud, Badrock, WildCATs, Majestic, Fire For Heaven, Vampirella, Supreme, Youngblood, Shadowhawk, Glory), largely because he needed the dosh after going broke on Big Numbers. [Note to small business owners: when publishing a comic book that comes out once every three years as your sole source of income, do not pay regular salaries to your wife and her lesbian girlfriend for running the office.]
― kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 31 March 2006 08:21 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish ubermensch dishwasher sundae (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 31 March 2006 08:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 31 March 2006 19:48 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Sunday, 2 April 2006 14:39 (seventeen years ago) link
Independent of that, as a movie on its own, a little comic book thriller - yeah I guess it was okay.
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 April 2006 18:51 (seventeen years ago) link
how can you manage to make a bad film when for £10 off amazon you can get 200 pages of ready-made storyboards? FFS
― The Real DG (D to thee G), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 15:04 (seventeen years ago) link
― The Real DG (D to thee G), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 15:05 (seventeen years ago) link
― the doaple gonger (nickalicious), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 16:07 (seventeen years ago) link
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 16:07 (seventeen years ago) link
i mean i know he's wearing a mask but it doesn't mean he has to be like "mfmfmfmffmmmfmfmfmfmfmfmfmfmfmfmfmfmfmfmmf" for the whole film, i can suspend my disbelief
― The Real DG (D to thee G), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 16:10 (seventeen years ago) link
― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 8 September 2006 02:04 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 September 2006 02:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― Andrew (enneff), Friday, 8 September 2006 02:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― chaki (chaki), Friday, 8 September 2006 03:37 (seventeen years ago) link
the more I've thought about this the more I think Moore's assessment of the film's politics is essentially correct - its not that the movie is bad, its just that if they wanted to make a movie about the contemporary political landscape (US, War on Terror, Iraq, etc.), then the only ostensible reason for using the UK/V plot as a basis for the film is because they're pussies
otm
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 8 September 2006 04:03 (seventeen years ago) link
― milo z (mlp), Friday, 8 September 2006 16:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 8 September 2006 16:30 (seventeen years ago) link
― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 September 2006 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― Danny Aioli (Rock Hardy), Friday, 8 September 2006 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link
i mean for example V spends about 5 minutes introducing himself, the main purpose of which seems to be to show off the wachowski's ability to use a dictionary rather than introduce the character - he gets 9 short lines in the book
pffft - the graphic novel's great, particularly the latter soap-opera half with multiple narrators. the movie, albeit for fairly understandable reasons, jettisoned all that.
and they weren't shot of running time either, most missing material seems to have been replaced with stephen rea moping round corridors in records offices, hold tight on this roller-coaster ride of an action thriller
(soap opera isn't quite OTM though)
― The Real DG (D to thee G), Friday, 8 September 2006 16:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 8 September 2006 16:52 (seventeen years ago) link
Was Arthur Miller a pussy for writing The Crucible instead of dealing with McCarthy head-on?
Also, would anyone go see an explicit critique of the current war / government? I doubt it.
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 8 September 2006 16:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 September 2006 17:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 8 September 2006 17:03 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 8 September 2006 17:08 (seventeen years ago) link
Oh yeah. *sheepish grin*
I would think its pretty obvious that Miller/the Crucible and Wachowskis/V are not analogous situations,
Does that change the fact that Miller critiqued a current issue through allegory instead of doing so head-on? Is it somehow less "cowardly" to levy a critique with your own allegorical construct instead of awkwardly appropriating someone else's?
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 8 September 2006 17:10 (seventeen years ago) link
not least the fact they dont seem to understand how BRITISHES actually speak!
― The Real DG (D to thee G), Friday, 8 September 2006 17:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 8 September 2006 17:27 (seventeen years ago) link
The operative word is "inept," not "cowardly." This is the only point I'm trying to make.
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 8 September 2006 17:29 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 8 September 2006 17:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 September 2006 17:46 (seventeen years ago) link
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/explodingkinetoscope/vendetta.jpg
― The Real DG (D to thee G), Friday, 8 September 2006 19:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 10 September 2006 03:08 (seventeen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 10 September 2006 05:50 (seventeen years ago) link
Actually, anarchism is never mentioned in the comic. V has one speech about anarchy, but that's it. Though I agree the comic is much more about anarchism than the movie, which is about more vaguely defined anti-fascism. However, I find Moore's handling of anarchism rather problematic as well: the idea of a single mastermind, V, working alone to change the society, forcing Evey into her anarchist "enlightenment", killing lots of people on the way, etc, seems kinda problematic with the ideas of anarchism, even if V himself thinks he is an anarchist freedom fighter. Moore tries to solve this problem by making V a symbol of anarchism, i.e. he's not a real person rather than an idea (which is why we see Evey's face when she takes the mask off), but V for Vendetta is still more of an fantasy superhero take on anarchism rather a story about what a real anarchist revolution in a fascist state might be like. But I guess stories like this are always parables, so I really like the comic still. However, what I didn't expect the movie to do was make V less of an hero than in the comic - it actually criticized his deeds more.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 10 September 2006 14:07 (seventeen years ago) link
the policeman storyline is good, the imagined britain is good, the plot is okay, though the flashbacks are needlessly confusing. it's not totally clear what order things happened in and why.
but it was much clearer about v being fucked-up than the comic. the only problem there is, we still have to spend lots of time with him.
i'm not an anarchist and the ending failed to fill me with hope. i did like seeing parliament blown up though.
also, i think it was invented for big summer movies like 'independence day', but i never like those 'scenes of random people in their homes/pubs watching tv' scenes.
― a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Monday, 11 September 2006 07:41 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 11 September 2006 08:48 (seventeen years ago) link
i did read the comic but forgot that. they all had flat-screen tvs. this obscurely annoyed me. perhaps it needed more 'brazil' type oddness.
― a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Monday, 11 September 2006 08:50 (seventeen years ago) link
How did you feel about the ending in the comic? Because I think the very final scene (with the policeman) was actually grimmer than in the movie, i.e. there was nothing to suggest that the people were actually gonna build a better anarchist society.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 11 September 2006 08:58 (seventeen years ago) link
how does stephen fry come across to people who aren't used to him as a tv wit? i can't quite take him as a Real Actor.
― a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Monday, 11 September 2006 09:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 11 September 2006 09:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 11 September 2006 09:28 (seventeen years ago) link
where do you get off with the 'ugh trash' thing? it's especially ludicrous given the james mason love. like gainsborough melodramas were abstruse works of high modernism or something.
― a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Monday, 11 September 2006 10:12 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Monday, 11 September 2006 10:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― a naked Kraken annoying Times Square tourists with an acoustic guitar (nickalici, Friday, 15 September 2006 13:54 (seventeen years ago) link
― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 15 September 2006 16:25 (seventeen years ago) link
My beefs are few:
1. Fry's being beaten and detained for making fun of the chancellor is not that great as an illustration of living in a crazy fascist state, to me. I think the audience could have dealt with a little more complex illustration of that than the cartoon they provided. OTOH, Benny Hill tribute = haw haws. But seriously why would you even expect to get away with that, if everything is so crap? It raised a few too many questions re: how crap everything really is, in the time frame where most of the action takes place.
2. I would have preferred people marching on parliament to not be so well costumed. uniforms against uniforms isn't really making much of a point. Perhaps just the masks, for the purpose of the unmasking at the end (which was a nice effect) - but everybody dressed up exactly the same doesn't sit well with me as a people's revolution.
3. The timeline of V's origin and the biological warfare and the death camps and the rise of fascism is really pretty fucked up, all because of that dim, unresolved monologue he delivers to Finch while disguised. If that conspiracy theory is supposed to make any sense, then it seems to put V & Valery's incarceration BEFORE the chancellor takes over. Eh. It's a movie.
― LISTEN U TURBO CROUTON (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 15:55 (seventeen years ago) link
Apparently you need to reread my posts.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 16:41 (seventeen years ago) link
― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 16:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 17:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 17:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 17:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 17:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― LISTEN U TURBO CROUTON (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 17:27 (seventeen years ago) link
― LISTEN U TURBO CROUTON (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 17:29 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 17:30 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 17:33 (seventeen years ago) link
Unless they feature cowboys fucking each other, apparently.
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 17:41 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 17:48 (seventeen years ago) link
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:02 (seventeen years ago) link
Though frankly I would watch Aeon Flux again before I watched this.
― LISTEN U TURBO CROUTON (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:07 (seventeen years ago) link
Until you brought up Aeon Flux I basically agreed with you, Tom. It strikes me that Dan and I, having not read the graphic novel, are in a better place to watch the film judging by the amount I also agreed with him on the thread, but I think that is actually true with all films based off of books.
Except DaVinci Code, that was shit no matter which way you look at it.
― Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:19 (seventeen years ago) link
Natalie Portman was not terrible in this, and I thought the movie was very well done for the most part. Could've done without the fucking bullet time in the amazing ninja murder in the tube sequence.
― Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:23 (seventeen years ago) link
wtf are you on about?
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:29 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― horseshoe (horseshoe), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:33 (seventeen years ago) link
blanket dismissal of athletes = snobbish
WHY ARE YOU SO FUCKING STUPID
― LISTEN U TURBO CROUTON (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― LISTEN U TURBO CROUTON (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:34 (seventeen years ago) link
allright I'm leaving this thread before this devolves into another ally/tombot internet bully gangbang - have fun
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― LISTEN U TURBO CROUTON (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:40 (seventeen years ago) link
― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:40 (seventeen years ago) link
― LISTEN U TURBO CROUTON (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 18:44 (seventeen years ago) link
― LISTEN U TURBO CROUTON (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 19:09 (seventeen years ago) link
criticism can be snobbish... or not!
i think my point re gainsborough stands, though this might not be the thread for it. 'hokum' is exactly the word critics used for it; and that word is pretty much always snobbish, ie a judgement on people-who-like-the-film: it rests on unstated prejudices about what we should be enjoying.
― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 16 November 2006 10:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 16 November 2006 12:08 (seventeen years ago) link
― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 16 November 2006 12:11 (seventeen years ago) link
wtf
― from the lowly milligeir to the mighty gigahongro (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link
WMBB television reporter Nadeen Yanes told her station that the man came up to the podium at the Bay District School Board meeting and said he had a motion. He then pulled out a can of red spray paint and painted a V with a circle around it.
Yanes told the station he pulled out a handgun and started talking. She said school board member Ginger Littleton hit the gunman with her purse and he pushed her to the ground and started firing randomly.
^^ a great example of why concealed weapons should NOT be legal
― "Kiss Players♥" (DJP), Tuesday, 14 December 2010 21:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Ghonim, who comes from an affluent Egyptian family, said the activists who organized the January 25 protests intentionally designed their movement to be anonymous and faceless, without a clear leader. He cited the movie "V for Vendetta" as a source of inspiration.
we live in a strange world
― lmao reminisces about his days in southern china (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 20:48 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/15/anonymous-hackers-to-ben-_n_877337.html
― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
so should I see this movie?
it's all right
― anarcho-misogynist puppies (DJP), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 18:35 (twelve years ago) link
this movie was fucking terrible, so no.
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
sadly it's still the best moore adaptation of them all.
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 18:39 (twelve years ago) link
no surprise that the graphic novel's better & I should read it first.
this just seems to have become a visual touchstone for a lot of recent protests, not just Anonymous, so my curiosity's peaked
― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 18:45 (twelve years ago) link
the graphic novel is also okay
tbh I got bored and never finished it
― anarcho-misogynist puppies (DJP), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 18:46 (twelve years ago) link
i was never too fond of the comic - i've reread it multiple times and cant even remember huge swaths of it - i cant imagine that the movie's anything less than awful
― (.づ☀‿☀)づ ~da post-modernist struggle~ (.づ☀‿☀)づ (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
the book is good! i mean it's still overdramatic and hokey and purpley prosed in places but its got a good vibe. (that the movie totally blew out to look like every other overlit slick action thing.)
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
i mean a v for vendetta movie should ideally look more like i dunno an early mike leigh film than transporter 3 but whatta gonna do.
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 18:51 (twelve years ago) link
This movie isn't awful, but it doesn't even come close to doing the source material justice either. I think it would be a lot lot better by casting someone else in the Weaving and Portman roles. I really love Stephen Fry in it and the visual presentation of the High Chancellor and his cronies was pretty cool.
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 19:05 (twelve years ago) link
strongo OTM here
― lots of janitors have something to say (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
the ending is really badly botched, and no one in the film ever utters the word "anarchy", which is kind of amazing given the source material
― lots of janitors have something to say (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 19:18 (twelve years ago) link
what i never get about moore adaptations is that the original stories almost always have really strong slow build suspense lines and they basically come pre-storyboarded for you in terms of things like pacing. i know there are a lot of factors that can go into botching a film, but the original build-up to the public's unrest is one of the strongest and most natural parts of the book and ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LOOK AT THE PICTURES TO SEE HOW TO STAGE IT.
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
and no one in the film ever utters the word "anarchy"
that goes in the plus columng, imho
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
but yeah tacking on a trad fist-in-the-air we-the-people ending to a story that ended on a vague, disquieting, totally unresolved note was always gonna be an ugh.
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
haha on the plus side we were spared stephen rea's lsd revelation at larkhill
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
i love alan moore like a crackpot grandpa but dude never did get over the 60s
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LOOK AT THE PICTURES TO SEE HOW TO STAGE IT
tbf it doesn't sound like this worked so well with Watchmen... (I wouldn't know, as I have no interest in exposing my eyeballs to any of the horrible abortions Zack Snyder puts on screen)
― lots of janitors have something to say (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 19:31 (twelve years ago) link
Moore's work is not aging well at all imo.
― Mr. Patrick Batman (WmC), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 19:33 (twelve years ago) link
watchmen is great, i haven't seen this, can't muster up any enthusiasm for it.
― beta the drivel you know (darraghmac), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
well the thing about "staging"/"pacing" in comics is that yr brain still has to do the fill in work between panels. moore's 80s stuff reads really "slow" to me (not a bad thing and totally fitting with the stories) as much to do with the art style as anything. but i guess if yr zach snyder you read that inexorable one panel at a time gibbons pacing as slsmbangpow action, prolly because zach snyder sees everything in life that way.
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 19:38 (twelve years ago) link
anyone got any insight as to why the imagery from this film keeps getting adopted by several revolutionary / protest movements across Europe / Egypt / US? I skipped it because it looked horrible, but it seems to keep coming up on news sites so it's looking like something I've got to see
― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 19:43 (twelve years ago) link
Well, the imagery is arresting.
― anarcho-misogynist puppies (DJP), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
AND the movie made over $130 million, so a lot of ppl saw it.
― anarcho-misogynist puppies (DJP), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 19:45 (twelve years ago) link
also natalie portman does a full-nude striptease to motorhead
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
right, there's that
― anarcho-misogynist puppies (DJP), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
anyone got any insight as to why the imagery from this film keeps getting adopted by several revolutionary / protest movements across Europe / Egypt / US?/
it has a scene in which unarmed protesters successfully face down tanks and armed men, bringing down a brutal authoritarian regime.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
I quite like the film. In some ways it is like the book, and in other ways it is not.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
also this was a surprisingly middle-class revolution and they are internet nerds
― my Sonicare toothbrush (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
re-read his Swamp Thing run recently and that is still a ton of fun
― lots of janitors have something to say (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 19:54 (twelve years ago) link
uh unarmed except for a train loaded with dynamite that blows up the houses of parliament
― lots of janitors have something to say (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
(a sequence which - in case it wasn't obvious from my comments above - is most definitely NOT in the book)
i remember seeing that sequence and thinking "yknow all this needs is more slo mo and a moody pixies song"
― lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 20:09 (twelve years ago) link
― Milton Parker, Wednesday, June 15, 2011 3:43 PM
u mean the grinning mask? feel like it was first adopted by 4chan/Anonymous as their way of hiding their identity when protesting against Scientology and then spread from there
― am0n, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 20:09 (twelve years ago) link
looooooool
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 20:09 (twelve years ago) link
@ justen
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 20:10 (twelve years ago) link
movie's not over until something's blowed up amirite
― lots of janitors have something to say (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 20:17 (twelve years ago) link
i would have also accepted the ubiquitous "DAH-dah-dah DAH-dah-dah dah-dah, DAH-DAH-DAH DAH-DAH-DAH-DAH-DAH" end pan-out 28 days later music.
― lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 20:17 (twelve years ago) link
more modern movies need to end with "THE END...?"
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
xpost amon, makes sense. probably most of the times I saw the mask being used were 4chan/Anonymous things hitting my internet-peripheral vision. but when I saw it popping up in the middle east as well, I felt like I was missing something.
well that'll do it -- sounds like a contemporary crowd pleaser. I'll be checking it out, it's just silly I found the time for Speed Racer and skipped something like this
― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 20:22 (twelve years ago) link
this can lead to things like the Transformers franchise
― anarcho-misogynist puppies (DJP), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
V Will Return In...The Spy Who Loved V
― da croupier, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 20:24 (twelve years ago) link
t/s "THE END?" vs "THE END" followed by a 5 second pause at which point the question mark dissolves into view
― lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 20:26 (twelve years ago) link
it really depends on the film. If you're talking Inception the former, Black Swan the latter.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
― Milton Parker, Wednesday, June 15, 2011 4:22 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark
speed racer was awesome!
― (.づ☀‿☀)づ ~da post-modernist struggle~ (.づ☀‿☀)づ (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
still haven't seen "Speed Racer"
― anarcho-misogynist puppies (DJP), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
sequel to V for Vendetta would've been awesome. bunch of nerds in masks trying to make the trains run on time while ogling Natalie Portman's ass
― lots of janitors have something to say (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
the villain in speed racer is literally christopher hitchens
― (.づ☀‿☀)づ ~da post-modernist struggle~ (.づ☀‿☀)づ (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 20:35 (twelve years ago) link
so is (one of) the villains in V for Vendetta
dudes are the most inept filmmakers, dunno what anybody sees in them tbh
― lots of janitors have something to say (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
the first 1.75 Matrix movies are amazing
― anarcho-misogynist puppies (DJP), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
man i caught the matrix for the first time in eons the other night and i forgot what a balls-out patchwork of other people's ideas it is. those guys have NO SHAME.
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
^^^
― lots of janitors have something to say (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 20:45 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't see it until years later and... yeah, it just annoyed me.
i kinda enjoyed it for just how shameless it was.
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 20:46 (twelve years ago) link
I said it has A SCENE in which protesters face down tanks, not that this is the only thing that happens in the film. If that was the only thing that happened in the film it would probably be a bit boring.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 20:48 (twelve years ago) link
it just seems so sloppy. once you get past the novelty of "ooh look they're quoting Beaudrillard!" it's just kind of a mess of ideas that don't really fit together in a coherent way. and, not being a goth, I don't swoon over people in trenchcoats and sunglasses shooting at each other in the rain or whatever... I got a similar cognitive dissonance thing with Inception, where the characters are occupying an imagined/dreamed world but their dreams are all so action-movie conventional.
xp
― lots of janitors have something to say (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 20:50 (twelve years ago) link
or, y'know, people are in a war against machines so what tools are they using? more machines. oh, yeah that seems like a bright idea.
― lots of janitors have something to say (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 20:51 (twelve years ago) link
yes but you go into entertainment predisposed to hate it
― anarcho-misogynist puppies (DJP), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 20:52 (twelve years ago) link
(nb: that was not a serious comment)
― anarcho-misogynist puppies (DJP), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 20:53 (twelve years ago) link
This was one of the first ILE threads in which I participated!
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 21:12 (twelve years ago) link
i don't know the source material at all but this movie was ridiculously bad
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
i saw it with friends and said something like, "well that was a turd" as we walked out and they were all >:[. it turned out they all liked it. i learned a valuable lesson about stfu that day.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― (.づ☀‿☀)づ ~da post-modernist struggle~ (.づ☀‿☀)づ (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
If the screenwriters had rewritten the movie so that Stephen Fry was the Big Brother, then it would have been awesome.
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
i saw it with friends and said something like, "well that was a turd" as we walked out and they were all >:[. it turned out they all liked it. i learned a valuable lesson about stfu that day.― horseshoe, Wednesday, June 15, 2011 9:15 PM (4 minutes ago)
― horseshoe, Wednesday, June 15, 2011 9:15 PM (4 minutes ago)
i learned this same lesson at a little movie called 300
― lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 21:20 (twelve years ago) link
ok to be fair i didnt actually lean the lesson of stfu, but i was given the opportunity and squandered it
― lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Wednesday, June 15, 2011 3:28 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
haha yeah before i realized how much i was alienating everyone i was like, "isn't that ending kind of...fascist?"
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
― horseshoe, Wednesday, June 15, 2011 5:15 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
hope you learned a valuable lesson about friends too
― ☂ (max), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
the answer is yes, totally
― lots of janitors have something to say (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
It's an unpleasant experience watching a would-be blockbuster with the wrong kind of friends.
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
aw they're nice people! seriously, i have learned that many people don't want to jump into an impassioned argument about whether a movie was horrible/the best ever immediately after seeing it.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
have there been any other recent movies about mass uprisings/civil unrest/rebellion (or whatever)? this is the only one i can think of, which might explain why its imagery's been coopted by contemporary protest movements/scientology-hating nerds
― ☂ (max), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 21:29 (twelve years ago) link
horseshoe i had the same experience as you after seeing the matrix 2 at midnight with a bunch of people. there is a photo somehwere of me w/ like a dozen people and they are all giving a thumbs up and i am the only person in the group giving a thumbs down
i feel as though i have been vindicated by history
― ☂ (max), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 21:30 (twelve years ago) link
i feel like you have posted about that before and it made me lol on that occasion as well
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 21:30 (twelve years ago) link
haha probably. it was a formative experience in my time as a young contrarian. i have to find that photo
― ☂ (max), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
have there been any other recent movies about mass uprisings/civil unrest/rebellion (or whatever)?
there was that one about the aliens in south africa and that one about the blue people lol
― lots of janitors have something to say (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01577/avatar_1577367i.jpg
― (.づ☀‿☀)づ ~da post-modernist struggle~ (.づ☀‿☀)づ (Princess TamTam), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 21:34 (twelve years ago) link
t/s "THE END?" vs "THE END" followed by a 5 second pause at which point the question mark dissolves into view― lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 20:26 (47 minutes ago) Permalinkit really depends on the film. If you're talking Inception the former, Black Swan the latter.― da croupier, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 20:28 (45 minutes ago)
― lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 20:26 (47 minutes ago) Permalink
― da croupier, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 20:28 (45 minutes ago)
This comment is fantastic imo
― Gravel Puzzleworth, Wednesday, 15 June 2011 21:34 (twelve years ago) link
― lemon kerrang! (jjjusten), Wednesday, June 15, 2011 4:20 PM (28 minutes ago)
I learn it all over again every time Sandra Bullock makes a movie.
― Mr. Patrick Batman (WmC), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 21:50 (twelve years ago) link
You have friends who go to the theater to watch Sandra Bullock movies? (I understand DVD)
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
My wife is a Bullock fangirl.
― Mr. Patrick Batman (WmC), Wednesday, 15 June 2011 22:03 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.channel4.com/news/v-for-vendetta-the-man-behind-the-mask
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Friday, 11 May 2012 22:27 (eleven years ago) link
What images immediately embody rebellion in recent decades? Let me suggest two: the smiley face for the ecstasy generation in the late 80s and early 90s, and the V mask which is currently the icon of global anti-capitalist protest. Both images have spread beneath the level of corporate dictat: neither were concocted by an advertising agency. Both were, and are, recognisable across the planet, and were communicated as memes from user to user.
More remarkably, both emerged from the work of one man - Alan Moore, a working-class Northampton comics writer with a polymath's range of references, and a really rather scary beard. It is hard to suggest another creative artist - certainly not a British one - who has had such an impact on popular culture and above all popular protest.The smiley face came from Watchmen, his seminal counter-factual exploration of superheroes and politics...
The smiley face came from Watchmen, his seminal counter-factual exploration of superheroes and politics...
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Friday, 11 May 2012 23:36 (eleven years ago) link
that is all wrong
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 11 May 2012 23:39 (eleven years ago) link
OG smiley face was created by an advertising agency, V's Guy Fawkes mask is obviously more of a folk thing but is owned by Time Warners.
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 11 May 2012 23:40 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, i'd intended to cut the last couple sentences out of the first quote block. i'm okay, for the sake of argument, with the suggestion that these are important symbols of rebellion.
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Friday, 11 May 2012 23:45 (eleven years ago) link
you know who should have directed this? the ghost of alan clarke.
― jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 11 May 2012 23:56 (eleven years ago) link
was gonna go for whoever did that 60s Batman movie
― like Joe Pasquale and Gandhi (Noodle Vague), Friday, 11 May 2012 23:58 (eleven years ago) link
sorry is that what happened irl?
― like Joe Pasquale and Gandhi (Noodle Vague), Friday, 11 May 2012 23:59 (eleven years ago) link
adam west/burt ward v for vendetta would be good too
― jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Saturday, 12 May 2012 00:00 (eleven years ago) link
burt ward has a look of skinheady sadsack about him
― like Joe Pasquale and Gandhi (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 12 May 2012 00:03 (eleven years ago) link
If the screenwriters had rewritten the movie so that Stephen Fry was the Big Brother, then it would have been awesome.― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, June 15, 2011 2:17 PM (10 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, June 15, 2011 2:17 PM (10 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
have never seen this movie but knew stephen fry was in it and until now had assumed he was the big brother, just like how when i heard he was in sherlock holmes 2 A GAME OF SHADOWS i assumed he was moriarty. but he wasn't. what the hell. how hard is this.
― their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Saturday, 12 May 2012 16:39 (eleven years ago) link
Somehow I never got around to watching this until last night. Mild head trip watching it now in 2018 looking back at 2006 potential future history but it is as politically astute and timely as pages 4-5 of the Maximum Rock & Roll letters column from 1985. Commodify your dissent!
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 21:16 (five years ago) link
this is a funny thread.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 21:43 (five years ago) link
this was better than decent tbh, I'd much lower hopes for it but flung it on last night to good effect personally speaking
― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Saturday, 29 January 2022 21:04 (two years ago) link
I really liked it!
― mardheamac (gyac), Saturday, 29 January 2022 21:15 (two years ago) link