OAKLAND

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― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:05 (9 years ago) Permalink

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:13 (9 years ago) Permalink

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― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:51 (9 years ago) Permalink

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:53 (9 years ago) Permalink

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:58 (9 years ago) Permalink

this guy's coming to get me

― JaXoN (JasonD), Monday, 3 May 2004 16:59 (9 years ago) Permalink

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:03 (9 years ago) Permalink

― waxyjax (waxyjax), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:06 (9 years ago) Permalink

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:07 (9 years ago) Permalink

― Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:08 (9 years ago) Permalink

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:13 (9 years ago) Permalink

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:26 (9 years ago) Permalink

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:27 (9 years ago) Permalink

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:27 (9 years ago) Permalink

www.portofoakland.com

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:28 (9 years ago) Permalink

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:28 (9 years ago) Permalink

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:32 (9 years ago) Permalink

― Michael White (Hereward), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:35 (9 years ago) Permalink

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

The employees had a rental truck filled with the safe and the jukebox (?).

It reopened after a year but I never went back.

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:43 (9 years ago) Permalink

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 18:38 (9 years ago) Permalink

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 3 May 2004 18:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 18:44 (9 years ago) Permalink

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 3 May 2004 18:44 (9 years ago) Permalink

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 3 May 2004 20:25 (9 years ago) Permalink

― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:38 (9 years ago) Permalink

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― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:40 (9 years ago) Permalink

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― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:45 (9 years ago) Permalink

― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:46 (9 years ago) Permalink

WOOO WOOOOO!

― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:47 (9 years ago) Permalink

― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 3 May 2004 21:48 (9 years ago) Permalink

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 15:31 (9 years ago) Permalink

Oh, I'll second this!

― Kris (aqueduct), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 15:58 (9 years ago) Permalink

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 16:16 (9 years ago) Permalink

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 16:18 (9 years ago) Permalink

It also has shitty food in the international terminal. They could do better.

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 16:23 (9 years ago) Permalink

― Kris (aqueduct), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 17:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

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― gareth (gareth), Saturday, 15 May 2004 11:09 (9 years ago) Permalink

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― donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 15 May 2004 16:04 (9 years ago) Permalink

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― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 15 May 2004 16:33 (9 years ago) Permalink

― ron (ron), Saturday, 15 May 2004 19:24 (9 years ago) Permalink

― teeny (teeny), Monday, 17 May 2004 15:55 (9 years ago) Permalink

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 14:48 (8 years ago) Permalink

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 14:49 (8 years ago) Permalink

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 14:50 (8 years ago) Permalink

― teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 14:51 (8 years ago) Permalink

(just kidding, just felt like making a scene)

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 14:58 (8 years ago) Permalink

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:13 (8 years ago) Permalink

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― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:50 (8 years ago) Permalink

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 21:19 (8 years ago) Permalink

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 21:22 (8 years ago) Permalink

― adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 16:56 (8 years ago) Permalink

― adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 16:56 (8 years ago) Permalink

make him take BART to fremont and leave him there if you're feeling antagonistic.

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 18:02 (8 years ago) Permalink

― adam. (nordicskilla), Friday, 27 August 2004 21:57 (8 years ago) Permalink

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― adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 14:32 (8 years ago) Permalink

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 14:45 (8 years ago) Permalink

― adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 14:46 (8 years ago) Permalink

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 15:12 (8 years ago) Permalink

― adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 15:14 (8 years ago) Permalink

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― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 15:20 (8 years ago) Permalink

― adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 15:20 (8 years ago) Permalink

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 15:23 (8 years ago) Permalink

― adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 15:32 (8 years ago) Permalink

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 15:34 (8 years ago) Permalink

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― adam. (nordicskilla), Friday, 24 September 2004 19:07 (8 years ago) Permalink

Alex has been there, I think.

― Howard Wine (nordicskilla), Friday, 8 October 2004 20:00 (8 years ago) Permalink

― Howard Wine (nordicskilla), Friday, 8 October 2004 20:02 (8 years ago) Permalink

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 8 October 2004 20:22 (8 years ago) Permalink

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 8 October 2004 20:28 (8 years ago) Permalink

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 8 October 2004 20:30 (8 years ago) Permalink

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 8 October 2004 20:32 (8 years ago) Permalink

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 8 October 2004 20:33 (8 years ago) Permalink

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 8 October 2004 20:34 (8 years ago) Permalink

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 8 October 2004 20:35 (8 years ago) Permalink

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 8 October 2004 20:37 (8 years ago) Permalink

― Howard Wine (nordicskilla), Friday, 8 October 2004 20:46 (8 years ago) Permalink

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 8 October 2004 20:51 (8 years ago) Permalink

― Howard Wine (nordicskilla), Friday, 8 October 2004 20:52 (8 years ago) Permalink

― Howard Wine (nordicskilla), Friday, 8 October 2004 20:52 (8 years ago) Permalink

― Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 8 October 2004 20:53 (8 years ago) Permalink

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 8 October 2004 20:54 (8 years ago) Permalink

i've never been in though

― JaXoN (JasonD), Friday, 8 October 2004 21:31 (8 years ago) Permalink

― why do old people and old users of ILX such bastardos (deangulberry), Friday, 8 October 2004 22:02 (8 years ago) Permalink

-- andy (and...), January 28th, 2004.

Andy, I am thinking about going this weekend. Any dishes that you would recommend?

http://www.tjsgingerbread.com/

― adam. (nordicskilla), Friday, 22 October 2004 16:57 (8 years ago) Permalink

― adam. (nordicskilla), Friday, 22 October 2004 16:57 (8 years ago) Permalink

― .adam (nordicskilla), Sunday, 2 January 2005 21:01 (8 years ago) Permalink

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Sunday, 2 January 2005 22:58 (8 years ago) Permalink

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Sunday, 2 January 2005 23:00 (8 years ago) Permalink

i like oakland airport. i flew there from pdx, and i also flew to slc from there

― charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 3 January 2005 00:13 (8 years ago) Permalink

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 3 January 2005 01:09 (8 years ago) Permalink

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 3 January 2005 02:02 (8 years ago) Permalink

He's thinking of selling.

― Airtube (nordicskilla), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:44 (8 years ago) Permalink

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:47 (8 years ago) Permalink

― Airtube (nordicskilla), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:48 (8 years ago) Permalink

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:49 (8 years ago) Permalink

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 1 April 2005 22:13 (8 years ago) Permalink

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 1 April 2005 22:15 (8 years ago) Permalink

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Friday, 1 April 2005 22:48 (8 years ago) Permalink

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 1 April 2005 22:49 (8 years ago) Permalink

It's a really nice house though! And it doesn't SEEM like such a bad area.

― Airtube (nordicskilla), Friday, 1 April 2005 22:49 (8 years ago) Permalink

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 1 April 2005 22:53 (8 years ago) Permalink

― Airtube (nordicskilla), Friday, 1 April 2005 22:54 (8 years ago) Permalink

Yeah rumor has it that certain people consider me to be a bit of a douche.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 1 April 2005 23:25 (8 years ago) Permalink

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 1 April 2005 23:26 (8 years ago) Permalink

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 1 April 2005 23:28 (8 years ago) Permalink

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 1 April 2005 23:29 (8 years ago) Permalink

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 1 April 2005 23:31 (8 years ago) Permalink

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 1 April 2005 23:38 (8 years ago) Permalink

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 1 April 2005 23:38 (8 years ago) Permalink

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 1 April 2005 23:39 (8 years ago) Permalink

― Claude in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 1 April 2005 23:40 (8 years ago) Permalink

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 1 April 2005 23:44 (8 years ago) Permalink

― kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 2 April 2005 00:27 (8 years ago) Permalink

Standing his ground endangers man's life
Despite flood of support, he says he'll move

West Oakland isn't no place for wusses!

― kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 2 April 2005 00:40 (8 years ago) Permalink

― kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 2 April 2005 00:41 (8 years ago) Permalink

― art tribe, Saturday, 2 April 2005 05:06 (8 years ago) Permalink

― Airtube (nordicskilla), Saturday, 2 April 2005 05:19 (8 years ago) Permalink

― Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Saturday, 2 April 2005 09:57 (8 years ago) Permalink

Unless of course the East Bay Rats are having a Fight Party that weekend:

http://www.sfbg.com/39/21/cover_fight.html

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 April 2005 14:04 (8 years ago) Permalink

― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 4 April 2005 16:00 (8 years ago) Permalink

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 May 2005 12:47 (7 years ago) Permalink

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 26 May 2005 12:56 (7 years ago) Permalink

― the black hand, Thursday, 26 May 2005 14:06 (7 years ago) Permalink

Wayans World.

― [that bastard] jaxon (jaxon), Friday, 17 June 2005 16:51 (7 years ago) Permalink

― the Stanmore signal (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 June 2005 16:56 (7 years ago) Permalink

― Munki (nordicskilla), Monday, 17 October 2005 14:44 (7 years ago) Permalink

― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 17:36 (7 years ago) Permalink

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 17:39 (7 years ago) Permalink

― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 17:39 (7 years ago) Permalink

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 17:42 (7 years ago) Permalink

― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 17:42 (7 years ago) Permalink

it's christmas in the ghetto fa la la la la la la la it's christmas in the ghetto fa la la la la la la la dealers bakin, fiends are waitin fa la la la la la la la it's christmas in the ghetto fa la la la la la la la

― svend (svend), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 17:53 (7 years ago) Permalink

fentons still rocks by the way even though it's new and stuff.

― nein Socken (nein Socken), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 18:39 (7 years ago) Permalink

― andy --, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 18:45 (7 years ago) Permalink

― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 18:46 (7 years ago) Permalink

― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 18:46 (7 years ago) Permalink

― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 18:46 (7 years ago) Permalink

― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 18:46 (7 years ago) Permalink

― nein Socken (nein Socken), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 18:49 (7 years ago) Permalink

(This is only two block from the jail where they incarcerated Huey! Oakland! Oakland!)

― andy --, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 18:55 (7 years ago) Permalink

― jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 19:00 (7 years ago) Permalink

― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 19:01 (7 years ago) Permalink

― andy --, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 19:02 (7 years ago) Permalink

The eternal question.

― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 19:03 (7 years ago) Permalink

― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 19:04 (7 years ago) Permalink

I've lived in Downtown since '98 and I've only been mugged once.

― andy --, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 19:05 (7 years ago) Permalink

― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 19:07 (7 years ago) Permalink

― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 19:11 (7 years ago) Permalink

― jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 19:14 (7 years ago) Permalink

http://www.craigslist.org/eby/apa/118742337.html

I can't afford it anyway.

xp haha

― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 19:14 (7 years ago) Permalink

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 19:22 (7 years ago) Permalink

is the Ruby Room fun again? because it was when it opened and then it fucking sucked for a long time.

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 19:26 (7 years ago) Permalink

― jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 19:28 (7 years ago) Permalink

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 19:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

― nein Socken (nein Socken), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 19:32 (7 years ago) Permalink

By far Oakland's greatest asset (which I recently discovered) is Joaquin Miller Park, right above the Mormon Temple. Dense redwood forests, WPA bridges, it's the lovliest place I've found. And you'll see barely a soul, Tilden is packed with North Face kooks but JMiller park is always empty.
http://www.oaklandnet.com/parks/facilities/parks_joaquin_miller.asp

― andy --, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 19:34 (7 years ago) Permalink

― jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 19:43 (7 years ago) Permalink

Where I come from, the property prices eat your puny Bay Area prices for BREAKFAST!

― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:32 (7 years ago) Permalink

(where do you come from?)

― nein Socken (nein Socken), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:33 (7 years ago) Permalink

― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:35 (7 years ago) Permalink

― nein Socken (nein Socken), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:38 (7 years ago) Permalink

― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:39 (7 years ago) Permalink

― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:39 (7 years ago) Permalink

― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:41 (7 years ago) Permalink

― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:42 (7 years ago) Permalink

― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:45 (7 years ago) Permalink

― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:46 (7 years ago) Permalink

― andy --, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:47 (7 years ago) Permalink

― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:48 (7 years ago) Permalink

MORE OAKLAND LESS DANDIES

― nein Socken (nein Socken), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:49 (7 years ago) Permalink

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:51 (7 years ago) Permalink

Holy shit... only her waistband belies her fierce oakland roots.

― andy --, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 21:00 (7 years ago) Permalink

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 21:00 (7 years ago) Permalink

I went there with Alex.

― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 21:02 (7 years ago) Permalink

― andy --, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 21:02 (7 years ago) Permalink

― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 21:03 (7 years ago) Permalink

― nein Socken (nein Socken), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 21:05 (7 years ago) Permalink

Look at the weird Ozzie lookalike!

― andy -, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 21:07 (7 years ago) Permalink

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 21:11 (7 years ago) Permalink

for sure you should not move to oakland.

― nein Socken (nein Socken), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 21:18 (7 years ago) Permalink

― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 21:19 (7 years ago) Permalink

― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 21:20 (7 years ago) Permalink

― svend (svend), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 21:20 (7 years ago) Permalink

― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 21:20 (7 years ago) Permalink

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 21:23 (7 years ago) Permalink

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 21:26 (7 years ago) Permalink

― andy --, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 21:27 (7 years ago) Permalink

― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 21:28 (7 years ago) Permalink

i'm no doofus. i have faith and a huge heart and i think one day we'll turn this shit around. as soon as we fire norv. cuz we're the underdog. that can kill you. and will kill again. i hope.

― nein Socken (nein Socken), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 21:28 (7 years ago) Permalink

These folks are serious doofuses, and they're definitely not from Oakland. San Ramon, I'll venture to guess.

― andy -, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 21:28 (7 years ago) Permalink

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 21:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 21:30 (7 years ago) Permalink

I ROOT FOR A TEAM THAT ABANDONED US FOR LA AND THEN CAME BACK AND FUCKED UP OUR BASEBALL STADIUM! OF COURSE I AM A DOOFUS!

"i'm no doofus. i have faith and a huge heart and i think one day we'll turn this shit around. as soon as we fire norv. cuz we're the underdog. that can kill you. and will kill again. i hope."

???

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 21:30 (7 years ago) Permalink

― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 21:31 (7 years ago) Permalink

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 21:33 (7 years ago) Permalink

― andy --, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 21:37 (7 years ago) Permalink

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 21:40 (7 years ago) Permalink

― wmlynch (wlynch), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 22:13 (7 years ago) Permalink

― wmlynch (wlynch), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 22:21 (7 years ago) Permalink

― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 22:56 (7 years ago) Permalink

1929 - Razing of Idora Park is begun to make way for new homes. For 25 years, the 17-acre amusement ground in North Oakland offered a variety of entertainment from roller-coaster thrills to band music and opera. The park existed in an area with Telegraph Avenue, Shattuck Avenue, 56th Street and 58th Street as its boundaries.

The bastards! I never even heard of that park.

― andy --, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 23:28 (7 years ago) Permalink

― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 23:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

― wmlynch (wlynch), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 23:31 (7 years ago) Permalink

― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 16:00 (7 years ago) Permalink

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a.tcl?topic=San%20Francisco%20History

― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 16:05 (7 years ago) Permalink

― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 16:14 (7 years ago) Permalink

― [jailhouse tattoo] (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 16:15 (7 years ago) Permalink

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 16:48 (7 years ago) Permalink

― wmlynch (wlynch), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 18:01 (7 years ago) Permalink

It seems like anytime there’s a crowd of young people – especially African Americans –gathered together it’s a threat to the police and they feel that they have to break it up. I don’t know what that’s all about but our options for summer activities are limited. They don’t provide fun things like summer camps or things like that in my neighborhood.

― Serge Protecteur (nordicskilla), Saturday, 28 January 2006 21:26 (7 years ago) Permalink

― kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 28 January 2006 21:47 (7 years ago) Permalink

― Serge Protecteur (nordicskilla), Saturday, 28 January 2006 21:49 (7 years ago) Permalink

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― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 19:36 (7 years ago) Permalink

A Cote was real rough as a vegetarian. I didn't enjoy my meal there at all. It was just overwhelmingly cream-centric.

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― wmlynch (wlynch), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 21:41 (7 years ago) Permalink

http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_11280603

hey Dellums, guess what, everyone thinks Oakland is scary dangerous anyway and your city is broker than shit, you really aren't in the position to turn something away that might bring money into this place!

― akm, Monday, 22 December 2008 15:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

He's waiting for the next Ann of Green Gables to be shot by in the dirty 30s

― throwbookatface (skygreenleopard), Monday, 22 December 2008 23:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

I can't wait for the episode where the pimp scores some organic apricot vinegar at the saturday lake merritt farmer's market

― Dominique, Monday, 22 December 2008 23:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

sounds kinda awesome. too bad.

― There was even a brief period when I preferred Sally Forth. (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 22 December 2008 23:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

It'll end up happening for basically the broker than shit reason.

― Alex in SF, Monday, 22 December 2008 23:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

I have no idea who Polly Anthony and Evan Reilly are.

― Alex in SF, Monday, 22 December 2008 23:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

Guess the former is a TV producer (hah!) and the latter is TV writer (and distribution coordinator for some Sopranos episodes whatever the hell that is.)

― Alex in SF, Monday, 22 December 2008 23:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

Dellums isn't really in a position to say shit about shit.

― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 23 December 2008 00:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

Agreed - I like how they conclude fictional crime is NOT TO BE HAD in THIS proud city while most of the municipal government is embroiled in corruption scandals and the current news is already full of violent happenings. I guess it's easier to just say words about stuff than to do things.

― throwbookatface (skygreenleopard), Tuesday, 23 December 2008 01:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

oakland...

― (*ﾟーﾟ)θ L(。･＿･)　　　°~ヾ(･ε･ *) (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 8 January 2009 18:40 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yesterdud.

― ShamPowWow (libcrypt), Thursday, 8 January 2009 18:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

scary things last night, i had to walk quite near the mini riot scene on my way home from work.

― just1n3, Thursday, 8 January 2009 18:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

expect more of that if dude doesn't get put away.

― (*ﾟーﾟ)θ L(。･＿･)　　　°~ヾ(･ε･ *) (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 8 January 2009 18:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'm moving (back) to the Bay Area in a few weeks. I'm curious as to how widespread the protest/riots are? Anything in Berkeley?

― iatee, Thursday, 8 January 2009 18:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

see above. i think it is conditional on whether justice is served.

― (*ﾟーﾟ)θ L(。･＿･)　　　°~ヾ(･ε･ *) (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 8 January 2009 18:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

Mostly poor minorities destroying the autos of other poor minorities.

― ShamPowWow (libcrypt), Thursday, 8 January 2009 18:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

um.... African-Americans are the majority ethnic group in Oakland.

― (*ﾟーﾟ)θ L(。･＿･)　　　°~ヾ(･ε･ *) (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 8 January 2009 18:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

wat

― ShamPowWow (libcrypt), Thursday, 8 January 2009 18:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

expect more of that if dude doesn't get put away.

― (*ﾟーﾟ)θ L(。･＿･)　　　°~ヾ(･ε･ *) (Steve Shasta)

this is exactly what my bf has said, too. we live near lake merritt, and i have to walk through downtown oakland everyday to catch the BART to work. last night i was probably coming home just early enough to not be walking directly through the scene (i always walk down 14th), but i could see a bunch of cop cars a few blocks up madison.

― just1n3, Thursday, 8 January 2009 19:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

The racial makeup of the city was 35.66% African American, 23.52% White, 0.66% Native American, 15.23% Asian American, 0.50% Pacific Islander, 11.66% from other races, and 4.98% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 21.19 percent of the population.[60]

― (*ﾟーﾟ)θ L(。･＿･)　　　°~ヾ(･ε･ *) (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 8 January 2009 19:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

SF Gate said something about there never having been a BEAST cop prosecuted for this kinda thing. So, good luck?

― ShamPowWow (libcrypt), Thursday, 8 January 2009 19:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

Steve, you are totally thick. There, I said it.

― ShamPowWow (libcrypt), Thursday, 8 January 2009 19:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

Awesome, keep up the not-so-thinly-veiled racist language.

― (*ﾟーﾟ)θ L(。･＿･)　　　°~ヾ(･ε･ *) (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 8 January 2009 19:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

WTF you moron.

― ShamPowWow (libcrypt), Thursday, 8 January 2009 19:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

That riot was complete bullshit. Good job beating the hell out of Creative African Braids.

― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 8 January 2009 20:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

The mob smashed the windows at Creative African Braids on 14th Street, and a woman walked out of the shop holding a baby in her arms.

"This is our business," shouted Leemu Topka, the black owner of the salon she started four years ago. "This is our shop. This is what you call a protest?"

Wednesday night's vandalism victims had nothing to do with the shooting death by a BART police officer of Oscar Grant on New Year's Day - but that did little to sway the mob.

"I feel like the night is going great," said Nia Sykes, 24, of San Francisco, one of the demonstrators. "I feel like Oakland should make some noise. This is how we need to fight back. It's for the murder of a black male."

Sykes, who is black, had little sympathy for the owner of Creative African Braids.

"She should be glad she just lost her business and not her life," Sykes said. She added that she did have one worry for the night: "I just hope nobody gets shot or killed."

― ShamPowWow (libcrypt), Thursday, 8 January 2009 20:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

Nia Sykes, 24, of San Francisco

― ShamPowWow (libcrypt), Thursday, 8 January 2009 20:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

A class act.

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 8 January 2009 20:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

They also pitched rocks & bricks through windows at the Fox Theater and the Uptown. Nice work.

― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 8 January 2009 23:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

god the shooting is just sickening, unbelievable

― ie: BANGING (M@tt He1ges0n), Thursday, 8 January 2009 23:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

on an entirely different subject- I feel like we should play a show in Oakland but venues seem real hit and miss over there. I do not wanna play the Stork Club or any other bar no one will come to. Any suggestions?

― There was even a brief period when I preferred Sally Forth. (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 8 January 2009 23:39 (4 years ago) Permalink

also nia sykes is obv a retard

but it always bums me out when there's more moral outrage over the bad stuff that happens in reaction to a police shooting than the actual shooting itself

― ie: BANGING (M@tt He1ges0n), Thursday, 8 January 2009 23:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

"god the shooting is just sickening, unbelievable"

It is sickening. It would be more unbelievable but for the fact that it's the third incident of BART police shooting an unarmed rider in the past decade and a half, I think.

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 8 January 2009 23:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

Believe me, people are pretty outraged about the shooting here.

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 8 January 2009 23:43 (4 years ago) Permalink

as they should be.

wow i didn't know the history of the BART police, as an outsider i guess i never knew that oakland cops had a rep for that kind of stuff.

― ie: BANGING (M@tt He1ges0n), Thursday, 8 January 2009 23:45 (4 years ago) Permalink

This covers some of the history:

http://www.sfbg.com/entry.php?entry_id=7813&catid=4&volume_id=398&issue_id=413&volume_num=43&issue_num=15

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 8 January 2009 23:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

as far as Oakland cops rep goes, there's a reason the Black Panther Party was founded in Oakland

― There was even a brief period when I preferred Sally Forth. (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 8 January 2009 23:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

I dunno if I'd call it sickening, it's just sorta...unexplainable?

Is this even police brutality? The cops were pretty calm and don't appear to be roughing anybody up. And then he takes a gun out and shoots a guy in front of dozens of witnesses. It seems like a total absent minded event - more a "police shouldn't have guns because guns can be dangerous when you're not careful" than a "police being bad people." (And as anti-gun as I am, I'm not sure if police shouldn't have guns in Oakland...)

― iatee, Thursday, 8 January 2009 23:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

1) These are the BART police which is separate from the Oakland PD.

2) This is pretty much the definition of police brutality. In fact I'm not sure it is possible to be more brutal than this.

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 8 January 2009 23:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

shooting and killing a naked guy is like the apex of shitty policing

― There was even a brief period when I preferred Sally Forth. (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 8 January 2009 23:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

And even more bewildering than the shooter's conduct is the BART police response to the events which is basically "look we fired him, what more do you want?"

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 8 January 2009 23:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

Or rather "look he resigned, what more do you want?"

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 8 January 2009 23:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

He's not shitty policing though, he's shitty-being a normal human being.

I dunno, I mean if the facts come out and it turns out the cop purposely shot the guy, then yeah, I'm with you guys. But it's just so *weird* a situation, esp. because there really didn't appear to be much struggle, that I'm not yet at the 'fuck the police' perspective.

― iatee, Thursday, 8 January 2009 23:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

most shitty normal human beings do not have guns and badges that allow them to kill random people with impunity

― There was even a brief period when I preferred Sally Forth. (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 8 January 2009 23:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

the whole thing is pretty weird. has it been determined yet if that officer's wife had just had a baby? because he could have been out of his mind sleep deprived and confused (in which case he should, under no circumstances, have been on the job with a weapon).

this is the first time I ever actually considered BART cops actual cops. I mean I was under the impression they were like, glorified security guards. i don't know that I even realized they had weapons.

(BART police are distinct from Oakland PD).

Shakey, you could play the Uptown. I think you'd have to do a fair amount of promotion yourself for that though. But they seem to be doing better than people expected. Also, 21 Grand will book shows, but they officially aren't supposed to be having shows, because they got in trouble with (ta da) Oakland PD.

― akm, Thursday, 8 January 2009 23:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

(also plz note that re: the naked guy I was referring to a PREVIOUS BART police killing)

― There was even a brief period when I preferred Sally Forth. (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 8 January 2009 23:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

and then he takes a gun out and shoots a guy in front of dozens of witnesses. It seems like a total absent minded event - more a "police shouldn't have guns because guns can be dangerous when you're not careful" than a "police being bad people."

CNN says there have been unconfirmed reports that the officer mistook his gun for a taser, which would explain the matter-of-fact manner of the shooting.

― mumps (iiiijjjj), Thursday, 8 January 2009 23:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

"He's not shitty policing though, he's shitty-being a normal human being."

Um no he's shitting policing. There was absolutely no reason to pull out your gun in that situation.

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 8 January 2009 23:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

CNN says there have been unconfirmed reports that the officer mistook his gun for a taser, which would explain the matter-of-fact manner of the shooting.

hahaha waht

― There was even a brief period when I preferred Sally Forth. (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 8 January 2009 23:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

hmm the Uptown... would have to consider requisite Prince cover

― There was even a brief period when I preferred Sally Forth. (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 8 January 2009 23:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

i don't undestand how you could really confuse your gun with a taser, aren't they shaped completely differently? tasers don't even have triggers, I don't think.

― akm, Thursday, 8 January 2009 23:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

"CNN says there have been unconfirmed reports that the officer mistook his gun for a taser, which would explain the matter-of-fact manner of the shooting."

Laughable.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 9 January 2009 00:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

shitty policing = roughing up people for no reason.
shitty human being = shooting someone execution style in a very public space for no reason. police don't do this for fun.

and if the unconfirmed reports are right, then the guy is more stupid than he is evil

― iatee, Friday, 9 January 2009 00:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

and the first thing that came to my head was also wtf guns have triggers. but seriously, what the hell other explanation is there? it wasn't a situation where he needed to pull his gun anyway.

― iatee, Friday, 9 January 2009 00:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

well yeah on one hand tasers and pistols are very different, but on the other hand, he sure was awful tired

― mumps (iiiijjjj), Friday, 9 January 2009 00:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

1) Shitty policing is pulling out your sidearm if your two partners have already subdued a cooperating suspect.

2) Those unconfirmed reports are complete bullshit.

3) I don't give a shit if the guy is evil.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 9 January 2009 00:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

look, if there was a struggle and somebody pulled a knife or something, and the police instantly pulled out his gun and shot him, that's def shitty policing. Amadou Diallo = definitely police brutality. but that situation has twisted shitty police logic behind it. this one doesn't.

― iatee, Friday, 9 January 2009 00:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

1) was he really a "cooperating" suspect? the footage I saw showed him struggling. I mean I could understand pulling out a taser at that point.

2) most unconfirmed reports are

3) cool

― mumps (iiiijjjj), Friday, 9 January 2009 00:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

or, alternatively, this guy decided to kill a man for no particular reason, because that's just what police do.

― iatee, Friday, 9 January 2009 00:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

I think our definitions of shitty police logic are so vastly different that they will not meet.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 9 January 2009 00:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

the whole taser thing is so fucked up, too, so that's no excuse in my book.

― ie: BANGING (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 9 January 2009 00:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

BART police are highly, highly undertrained. Also, they're supposed to wear their tasers in a wholly different kind of location than the sidearm.

― ShamPowWow (libcrypt), Friday, 9 January 2009 00:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

tasers are fucked up too, I agree. I'm not looking for an excuse, obv there isn't an excuse here...I'm looking for an explanation.

― iatee, Friday, 9 January 2009 00:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

But even if the dude meant to taser the guy he killed, that's STILL the wrong situation to use a taser!

― ShamPowWow (libcrypt), Friday, 9 January 2009 00:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

ugh, sorry guys. I'm not going to watch the video, but your explanations and reactions, i think, tell me all I need to know. :(

It's been a while, but I've DJed once at the Uptown (in 2002?) while on a road trip. I've been on BART on those very stops too. (obv, a lot of bay area people here have)

― 909090909 Rivethed Brikkchin Reverk now DANZ (Mackro Mackro), Friday, 9 January 2009 00:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

A taser is supposed to be a non-lethal firearm replacement, to be used in situations where a firearm would perhaps otherwise be used. It's not supposed to be a means of neutralizing a suspect who is already under control.

― ShamPowWow (libcrypt), Friday, 9 January 2009 00:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

the video isn't very graphic

― iatee, Friday, 9 January 2009 00:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

just "shitty", right?

― ñé¥ë® ƒø®g£‡ ✈ ✈ ▌▌ (jeff), Friday, 9 January 2009 00:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

You have to define "under control" then. Guy didn't look under control to me anyway fwiw. Accidentally grabbing a gun while reaching for a taser is certainly nowhere near anything that could be considered an excuse for killing a guy, but I don't see what's fucked up about tasers. Obviously it's a lesser-of-two-evils thing, but wouldn't you agree that accidents involving immobilization and pain are infinitely preferable to ones involving death?

― mumps (iiiijjjj), Friday, 9 January 2009 00:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

xxpost You are a weird guy.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 9 January 2009 00:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

tasers are fucked up because they're overused in places that aren't Oakland BART stations.

― iatee, Friday, 9 January 2009 00:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'm not going to "define" under control, but let's just say that a dude on his stomach with his hands behind his back is pretty close.

― ShamPowWow (libcrypt), Friday, 9 January 2009 00:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yup.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 9 January 2009 00:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

I dunno why it comes across like I'm defending the police here. Well, I mean, okay, I do know why. I have no sympathy for the BART police, Oakland PD, Berkeley PD, whoever.

I'm just of the mind that this is way too *weird* for it to be purely a normal fuck the police situation.

― iatee, Friday, 9 January 2009 00:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

All instances of police brutality seem "weird" to me.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 9 January 2009 00:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

I mean do you think it's "rational" to shoot someone 40 someodd times??!

― Alex in SF, Friday, 9 January 2009 00:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

this guy must have lost his mind to have done something so stupid and crazy in front of so many people. i agree 100% with the tone of the SFBG editorial. BART PD clearly needs more oversight.

― fwiw (rockapads), Friday, 9 January 2009 00:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

I mean do you think it's "rational" to shoot someone 40 someodd times??!

I just walked to in-n-out and was actually thinking about this particular case on the way there, trying to come up with a police-brutality-rational-thinking system.

Their reasoning in that situation:
1. Guy may or may not have a gun
2. With which he may shoot us
3. We're gonna shoot him and make sure he's dead
4. We really, really want to make sure he's dead

So Kant it ain't, but there does have to be some sort of *reasoning* behind this, some sort of explanation for why someone acted like they did. Psychological, racist, whatever.

In general the brutality rationality is more like:

1. We can be more violent than the law deems appropriate
2. We will get away with it, or will be punished lightly

and

3. This is okay because we're the good guys / they're the bad guys / we're teaching someone a lesson
or
4. This is okay because I dislike that person / enjoy inflicting violence on others

― iatee, Friday, 9 January 2009 01:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

(1) he'd already been pat down.

― (*ﾟーﾟ)θ L(。･＿･)　　　°~ヾ(･ε･ *) (Steve Shasta), Friday, 9 January 2009 01:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

Amadou Diallo was?

― iatee, Friday, 9 January 2009 01:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

it is a weird video: the whole thing just seems so... casual. the guy is on the ground, things seem pretty calm and under control, the cops are stressed-looking or freaked out or whatever, and then he just pulls out the gun - kind of half-heartedly, he doesn't whip it out in a big hurry - let's his arm sort of hang and then shoots him. and then he seems completely out of it, like he doesn't realise what's happened.

i dunno, it just seems pretty different to other types of police-brutality footage i've seen.

― just1n3, Friday, 9 January 2009 02:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

The fact that he quit right before he had to explain why he killed an unarmed man in such a bizarre way makes me think that the reasons he may or may not eventually be required to give won't be all that terribly compelling.

― ShamPowWow (libcrypt), Friday, 9 January 2009 02:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

it should be pretty obvious that even if he shot the guy by accident he should still go to jail for it, just as if i "absent-mindedly" drove onto the sidewalk and killed people while i was driving.

besides, aren't police supposed to be like extraordinarily well-trained to handle and use guns, considering that they're licensed to carry guns and use them to kill people?

― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 9 January 2009 02:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

and it's not like the gun just went off in his holster or something, i mean the dude pulled it out, aimed it, and fired.

― shook pwns (omar little), Friday, 9 January 2009 02:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

BART police are highly, highly undertrained. Also, they're supposed to wear their tasers in a wholly different kind of location than the sidearm.

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― ShamPowWow (libcrypt), Friday, 9 January 2009 02:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

24 year old protestors from san francisco are highly, highly undertrained

― moonship journey to baja, Friday, 9 January 2009 02:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

i didn't realise bart police were 'real' police, either.

gah, in nz our police don't carry guns and have only recently allowed to start using tasers. a guy i went to high school with was shot and killed when he had some kind of freak-out and went on a window-bashing spree with golf club.

and speaking of dodgy cops: my boyfriend was riding to work and got some bored cop trailing him, then flashing his lights. he pulled over to the broken glass-covered shoulder and the cop drove by slowly, staring at him, then took off. and then my bf got a flat tire.

― just1n3, Friday, 9 January 2009 02:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

uh, that guy was shot and killed by a policeman. our cops don't carry guns on duty, but will report to a dangerous scene with them. if that makes sense.

― just1n3, Friday, 9 January 2009 02:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

Wow, more riots. And the cop still isn't talking. This sucks.

― throwbookatface (skygreenleopard), Tuesday, 13 January 2009 13:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

cop has been arrested

― There was even a brief period when I preferred Sally Forth. (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 16:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/c/a/2009/01/14/BAJE15A6O2.DTL&o=0

― (*ﾟーﾟ)θ L(。･＿･)　　　°~ヾ(･ε･ *) (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 19:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

i dont know why i thought he might look different than he does

― big baller eating steaks every day (jeff), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 19:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

tons and tons of cops everywhere off and on broadway, roads closed... bit scary getting off the train in downtown oakland. but i may have missed some stuff, since our neighbour told my bf early that downtown was 'mad' - it was pretty barren at 6.30pm.

― just1n3, Thursday, 15 January 2009 03:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

one of my bff's lives at 11th and mlk. he was at our house and we turned on the live news broadcast to see protesters fighting w/cops at 12th and broadway. 2 blocks from his place. luckily (?) he was driving home instead of taking bart

― (jaxon) ( .) ( .) (jaxon), Thursday, 15 January 2009 05:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

what time was that? 12th and broadway is where i exit bart.

― just1n3, Thursday, 15 January 2009 05:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

is it worth asking how many of these protestors were from out of town?

anything crazy that went on at berkeley when i was there - and there was not much except for a couple of PETA protests on tolman hall, some pro-public space "take back the streets" squatter nonsense on telegraph, and some very very heated arguments about the intifada - seemed more to do with people from surrounding areas showing up to misbehave in berkeley rather than residents or students.

― moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 15 January 2009 06:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

i think a fair amount of these protestors were from oakland. I don't know, I completely understand the protesters in this case. I don't really agree with how it's gone down but I see why it went that way and wouldn't have expected anything else. A white cop shot a restrained black man in the back on video. I'm surprised there weren't even bigger riots.

― akm, Thursday, 15 January 2009 15:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2009/01/08/18559690.php

^ amazing!

The kids in Oakland know how to party. Let's show them they are not alone.

― (jaxon) ( .) ( .) (jaxon), Friday, 16 January 2009 07:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

justine, it was around 9pm

― (jaxon) ( .) ( .) (jaxon), Friday, 16 January 2009 07:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

Legal analysis of murder

Common law murder is defined as the:

1. unlawful
2. killing
3. of another human being
4. with a state of mind known as "malice aforethought".

The first three elements are relatively straightforward; however, the concept of "malice aforethought" is a complex one that does not necessarily mean premeditation. The following states of mind are recognized as constituting the various forms of "malice aforethought":
(i) Intent to kill;
(ii) Intent to inflict serious bodily harm short of death;
(iii) Reckless indifference to an unjustifiably high risk to human life (sometimes described as an "abandoned and malignant heart"); or
(iv) Intent to commit a dangerous felony (the "felony-murder" doctrine).

Under state of mind (i), intent to kill, the deadly weapon rule applies. Thus, if the defendant intentionally uses a deadly weapon or instrument against the victim, such use authorizes a permissive inference of intent to kill. An example of a deadly weapon or instrument is a gun, a knife, or even a car when intentionally used to strike the victim.
Under state of mind (iii), an "abandoned and malignant heart", the killing must result from defendant's conduct involving a reckless indifference to human life and a conscious disregard of an unreasonable risk of death or serious bodily injury. An example of this is a 2007 law in California where an individual could be convicted of third-degree murder if he or she kills another person while operating a motor vehicle while being under the influence of alcohol, drugs, or controlled substances.
Under state of mind (iv), the felony-murder doctrine, the felony committed must be an inherently dangerous felony, such as burglary, arson, rape, robbery or kidnapping. Importantly, the underlying felony cannot be a lesser included offense such as assault, otherwise all criminal homicides would be murder as all criminal homicides are felonies.

Voluntary manslaughter

Voluntary manslaughter describes cases where the defendant may have an intent to cause death or serious injury, but the potential liability for the person is mitigated by the circumstances and/or state of mind. The most common example is the so-called passion, or heat of the moment killing, such as where the defendant is provoked into a loss of control, by, for instance, unexpectedly finding his or her spouse in the arms of another lover, or witnessing an attack against his or her child.
There have been several types of voluntary manslaughter recognized in law, although they're so closely related, and, in many cases, indistinguishable, that many jurisdictions don't differentiate between them.[1]
Another form of voluntary manslaughter in some countries is infanticide. This offense was created by statute in some countries during the 20th century. Generally, a conviction of infanticide will be made where the court is satisfied that a mother killed her newborn child while the balance of her mind was disturbed as a result of childbirth; for instance, in cases of post-natal depression. It's a form of manslaughter, and carries the same range of sentences as a manslaughter conviction. Theoretically, it's a separate offense to murder, and not a reductive defense to murder (such as the defenses listed below), but, in practice, it works in much the same way as a reductive defense.

Defenses include:

1. Provocation. This is a killing caused by an event or situation which would probably cause a reasonable person to lose self-control and kill.
2. Heat of Passion. In this situation, the actions of another cause the defendant to act in the heat of the moment, and without reflection. This falls under the provocation heading.
3. Imperfect self-defense. This is a third type, which is allowed only in some US states. By default, self-defense is a complete defense to any charge of murder. However, if a person acted in the honest but unreasonable belief that self-defense justified the killing, many US states will define this as deliberate homicide committed without criminal malice: a manslaughter. The word "malice" is used in the definition of murder where the act is both an intentional killing, and without legal excuse or mitigation. The honest belief in the need for self-defense mitigates the crime so that one acts intentionally, but without the legal "malice." Therefore, Imperfect Self-Defense refers to an intentional killing which is unlawful, but doesn't rise to the level of being a murder.
4. Diminished Responsibility is another defense to murder that will negate the charge down. Most US states require an almost complete mental breakdown to eliminate the culpable mental state of "malice". If a jurisdiction recognizes that a person can kill with justification, but also without any evil intent, that jurisdiction is free to define the crime as something less than murder. Not all US states do this; in many, a mental defect, or even mental illness, won't reduce the seriousness of the offense whatsoever. However, if a US state legislature chooses, a diminished mental state may justify the finding of a lesser crime.
Insanity is a different defense as it completely negates any criminal culpability, although the mental health consequence can result in as much confinement time as a murder conviction.

Involuntary manslaughter

Involuntary manslaughter, sometimes called criminally negligent homicide in the United States, gross negligence manslaughter in England and Wales or culpable homicide in Scotland, occurs where there's no intention to kill or cause serious injury, but death is due to recklessness or criminal negligence.

Recklessness
Recklessness, or willful blindness, is defined as a wanton disregard for the known dangers of a particular situation. An instance of this would be a defendant throwing a brick off a bridge, into vehicular traffic below. There exists no intent to kill; consequently, a resulting death wouldn't be considered murder. However, the conduct is probably reckless, sometimes used interchangeably with criminally negligent, which may subject the principal to prosecution for involuntary manslaughter: the individual was aware of the risk of injury to others and willfully disregarded it.
In many jurisdictions, such as in California, if the unintentional conduct amounts to such gross negligence as to amount to a willful or depraved indifference to human life, the mens rea may be considered to constitute malice. In such a case, the charged offense may be murder, often characterized as second degree murder.

Misdemeanor manslaughter
In the United States, this is a lesser version of felony murder, and covers a person who causes the death of another while committing a misdemeanor – that is, a violation of law which doesn't rise to the level of a felony. This may automatically lead to a conviction for the homicide, if the misdemeanor involved a law designed to protect human life. Many violations of safety laws are infractions, which means a person can be convicted regardless of mens rea.

― Carne Meshuggah (libcrypt), Friday, 16 January 2009 18:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

I honestly don't think that murder is going to stick. Voluntary manslaughter seems much more plausible.

― Carne Meshuggah (libcrypt), Friday, 16 January 2009 18:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

Uh he fired a gun at him. That's pretty much the definition of "intent to kill" right there.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 16 January 2009 18:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

Not saying he won't get voluntary manslaughter, but this is pretty clearly murder.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 16 January 2009 19:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

I think it's voluntary manslaughter because any reasonable defense attorney is going to be able to make a good case for the mitigating factors that would classify it thus. E.g., "heat of passion", "fear" or somesuch.

― Carne Meshuggah (libcrypt), Friday, 16 January 2009 19:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

i.e. the guy was a cop and the guy he shot was black.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 16 January 2009 19:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

That's a Shasta-level reduction right there.

― Carne Meshuggah (libcrypt), Friday, 16 January 2009 19:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

Uh no.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 16 January 2009 19:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

I think that racism was a factor in the killing, but I don't think that it's reducible to simple racism. I mean, it was wrong, but it wasn't a lynching.

― Carne Meshuggah (libcrypt), Friday, 16 January 2009 19:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

seems to be pretty close

― THE DWIGHT BRAXTON (jeff), Friday, 16 January 2009 19:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yes, lots of people with bona fides to establish do say that.

― Carne Meshuggah (libcrypt), Friday, 16 January 2009 19:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

It's hard to say it was racism without knowing the cop's motives.

― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Friday, 16 January 2009 19:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

What, are you saying that speculation on the internets is no longer allowed???

― Carne Meshuggah (libcrypt), Friday, 16 January 2009 19:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

Dearest libcrypt,

If the level of reduction, if you please allow me to remind you with your brilliant post immortalized upthread, of which the standard you judge thusly is this:

Mostly poor minorities destroying the autos of other poor minorities.

― ShamPowWow (libcrypt), Thursday, January 8, 2009 10:56 AM

Then I don't mind being criticized by you because, to be frank, you're a fucking idiot.

Besties,

Shasta

― (*ﾟーﾟ)θ L(。･＿･)　　　°~ヾ(･ε･ *) (Steve Shasta), Friday, 16 January 2009 19:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, it's definitely "covert racism" to mention that there were counterproductive elements to the protest, genius.

― Carne Meshuggah (libcrypt), Friday, 16 January 2009 19:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

When you feel it's safe to come down off your pedestal, you should share your views with Myron Bell.

― (*ﾟーﾟ)θ L(。･＿･)　　　°~ヾ(･ε･ *) (Steve Shasta), Friday, 16 January 2009 19:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

u just mad cause I am late on the pedestal rent this month.

― Carne Meshuggah (libcrypt), Friday, 16 January 2009 19:40 (4 years ago) Permalink

"I think that racism was a factor in the killing, but I don't think that it's reducible to simple racism. I mean, it was wrong, but it wasn't a lynching."

I'm not saying racism was or wasn't a factor in the killings, I'm saying race (and the fact that the perpetrator was a cop) will be a major factor in whether or not the conviction will be for murder or not.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 16 January 2009 20:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

And if you don't believe that then I agree with Steve, you are a fucking idiot.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 16 January 2009 20:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'm not saying racism was or wasn't a factor in the killings, I'm saying race (and the fact that the perpetrator was a cop) will be a major factor in whether or not the conviction will be for murder or not.

Factor positively or negatively?

― Carne Meshuggah (libcrypt), Friday, 16 January 2009 20:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

Okay you are a fucking idiot.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 16 January 2009 20:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

Okay you are a fucking idiot.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 16 January 2009 20:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

So nice had to say it twice.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 16 January 2009 20:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

*shrug* one less hottentot

― ﾞ（ﾟ､ ｡ ７ (cankles), Friday, 16 January 2009 20:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

Sorry, I still have the pedestal for the rest of this month. Ask Steve about Feb rentals.

― Carne Meshuggah (libcrypt), Friday, 16 January 2009 20:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

It's too bad ILX can't have a reasonable discussion on the merits of the various cases without the SF clergy starting a game of fantasy stone tablet tossing.

― Carne Meshuggah (libcrypt), Friday, 16 January 2009 20:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

Mostly poor clergymen destroying the discussions of other poor clergymen.

― (*ﾟーﾟ)θ L(。･＿･)　　　°~ヾ(･ε･ *) (Steve Shasta), Friday, 16 January 2009 20:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

No offense, but I like to have my reasonable discussions with people who've demonstrated basic reading comprehension.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 16 January 2009 20:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'm not the only dude on this thread if you can't get over yrself.

― Carne Meshuggah (libcrypt), Friday, 16 January 2009 20:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

That's pretty much the definition of "intent to kill" right there.

Not quite. Just to quibble, what will make it murder is shooting Mr. Grant not in the leg or hand but right in the back.

― Last night it was pullulating with (Michael White), Friday, 16 January 2009 20:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

^^OTM

― There was even a brief period when I preferred Sally Forth. (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 16 January 2009 20:45 (4 years ago) Permalink

totally lolling at dude's not guilty plea btw

― There was even a brief period when I preferred Sally Forth. (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 16 January 2009 20:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

"Not quite."

True. I used a bit of shorthand there.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 16 January 2009 20:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

Not quite. Just to quibble, what will make it murder is shooting Mr. Grant not in the leg or hand but right in the back.

To my non-lawyerly reading, it looks like "voluntary manslaughter" is a set of exceptions to the qualifications for murder. That is to say, it's voluntary manslaughter if it falls under the definition of murder but there are a set of qualifying extenuating circumstances.

― Carne Meshuggah (libcrypt), Friday, 16 January 2009 20:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

At least according to Wikipedia.

― Carne Meshuggah (libcrypt), Friday, 16 January 2009 20:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

MW makes good point but this whole case hinges on what the cop says (sorry, I can't spell his last name) under cross-examination. Until the jury hears what his thoughts were prior to pulling the trigger, everything else is speculative. That's why he resigned prior to interview with IA, then pleaded the 5th so that there is no chance of that information leaking prior to trial.

― (*ﾟーﾟ)θ L(。･＿･)　　　°~ヾ(･ε･ *) (Steve Shasta), Friday, 16 January 2009 20:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

ie, no trial by media.

― (*ﾟーﾟ)θ L(。･＿･)　　　°~ヾ(･ε･ *) (Steve Shasta), Friday, 16 January 2009 20:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

So the question in my mind is whether such circumstances exist.

― Carne Meshuggah (libcrypt), Friday, 16 January 2009 20:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

If his defense is that he mistook his pistol for his Taser (and generally acts like a moron from here on out), he can claim involuntary manslaughter, though I can't imagine a local jury's going to buy it. His lack of remorse following this is damning.

― Last night it was pullulating with (Michael White), Friday, 16 January 2009 20:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

According to the talking voices on Forum this morning, the defendant isn't going to testify. So the jurors will have to ascertain his state of mind from his actions and the testimonies of the other officers and witnesses (most of which are still not public).

― Carne Meshuggah (libcrypt), Friday, 16 January 2009 20:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

I can't say I know how they knew he wasn't going to testify, tho, 'cause I joined 15 min in.

― Carne Meshuggah (libcrypt), Friday, 16 January 2009 20:52 (4 years ago) Permalink

Wow, if that's the case, those three videos are pretty damning and he's gonna get 25+ years.

― (*ﾟーﾟ)θ L(。･＿･)　　　°~ヾ(･ε･ *) (Steve Shasta), Friday, 16 January 2009 20:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'm not a potential juror unless this turns Federal, methinks, so I have no compunction saying that my prejudice is highly weighted towards a finding of murder.

― Last night it was pullulating with (Michael White), Friday, 16 January 2009 20:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

Where are ILX's criminal defense lawyers when you need them?

― Carne Meshuggah (libcrypt), Friday, 16 January 2009 20:55 (4 years ago) Permalink

Where are they trying the case?

― Alex in SF, Friday, 16 January 2009 20:55 (4 years ago) Permalink

What I would also love to know is if (ok, i'm going to try...) Meserhle was drug/alcohol tested upon returning to the station.

― (*ﾟーﾟ)θ L(。･＿･)　　　°~ヾ(･ε･ *) (Steve Shasta), Friday, 16 January 2009 20:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

The charge I heard was 2nd degree murder, but the jury has leeway to convict on lesser counts of murder all the way down to involuntary manslaughter.

― Carne Meshuggah (libcrypt), Friday, 16 January 2009 20:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

Alex, they're trying to move it out of Oakland (cf, Rodney King vs. LAPD).

― (*ﾟーﾟ)θ L(。･＿･)　　　°~ヾ(･ε･ *) (Steve Shasta), Friday, 16 January 2009 20:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

I dunno where it's being tried, but if there's a single damned lesson to be learned from Rodney King, it shouldn't be Marin.

― Carne Meshuggah (libcrypt), Friday, 16 January 2009 20:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

I want to reiterate the major (if not only) reason why this guy isn't going to get convicted of murder is that a) he's a cop and b) the guy he shot was black. Juries giving leeway to cop's abuses of power and letting latent racism color their verdicts is as old as time itself.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 16 January 2009 20:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

lib, no defense attorney will approach that video footage with any hope of an exoneration.

In many jurisdictions, such as in California, if the unintentional conduct amounts to such gross negligence as to amount to a willful or depraved indifference to human life, the mens rea may be considered to constitute malice. In such a case, the charged offense may be murder, often characterized as second degree murder.

― Last night it was pullulating with (Michael White), Friday, 16 January 2009 20:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

Do you know examples of police being convicted of murder in similar situations, where the victim was white, Alex?

― Carne Meshuggah (libcrypt), Friday, 16 January 2009 21:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

Except, Alex, the 'thin blue line' isn't likely to form around a guy who (a) was captrued committing his crime on tape, (b) never even bothered to submit to IA, and (c) essentially bailed on the whole scene. The BART cops are just as likely to be perfectly happy to throw this guy under the bus.

― Last night it was pullulating with (Michael White), Friday, 16 January 2009 21:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

There's a general pro-cop bias in the SF area. No officer has been charged with even manslaughter in this area in a long, long time, if ever.

― Carne Meshuggah (libcrypt), Friday, 16 January 2009 21:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

Maybe I'm just thinking of BART cops, tho.

― Carne Meshuggah (libcrypt), Friday, 16 January 2009 21:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

"The BART cops are just as likely to be perfectly happy to throw this guy under the bus."

We'll see.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 16 January 2009 21:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

"Do you know examples of police being convicted of murder in similar situations, where the victim was white, Alex?"

No, do you?

― Alex in SF, Friday, 16 January 2009 21:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'm not arguing against you, Alex. I'm simply curious, and no, I don't know.

― Carne Meshuggah (libcrypt), Friday, 16 January 2009 21:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

Well, you know they'll play at least a modicum of CYA and this is a two year vet, hardly a pillar of the force, and he's made them look like asses.

― Last night it was pullulating with (Michael White), Friday, 16 January 2009 21:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

I hope you are right, but somehow I doubt you are.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 16 January 2009 21:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

Either way I don't think it pays to underestimate even without much BART cop cooperation that certain jurors might be inclined to view this cop's perspective of the threat posed by this guy/situation differently than you or I might.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 16 January 2009 21:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

Fair enough. I wonder how much the threat of civil unrest will weigh on them, too.

― Last night it was pullulating with (Michael White), Friday, 16 January 2009 21:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

If the trial is moved away from the SF bay area, I don't think that civil unrest will matter one whit to the jurors.

― Carne Meshuggah (libcrypt), Friday, 16 January 2009 21:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

They will certainly be instructed not to take that into account

― Last night it was pullulating with (Michael White), Friday, 16 January 2009 21:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

"Fair enough. I wonder how much the threat of civil unrest will weigh on them, too."

I'm not convinced that would be a positive for conviction.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 16 January 2009 21:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

OAKLAND – BART’s initial probe into the fatal shooting New Year’s Day of an unarmed passenger by a transit agency police officer is under fire after recently released footage of the incident shows another officer punching the Hayward father in the head prior to the shooting.
On Jan. 12, BART announced it had completed its internal investigation into the death of 22-year-old Oscar Grant III. That afternoon, police Chief Gary Gee said only the shooter, former Officer Johannes Mehserle, was being investigated in connection with the incident. The other six officers on the Fruitvale station platform that morning had followed proper police procedure, Gee said.
But an amateur video clip that aired Friday on KTVU presents a different scenario, legal experts say. A second officer identified as Tony Pirone is shown punching Grant moments before the shooting in what appears to be a clear act of excessive police force, said Peter Keane, a police expert and professor at Golden Gate University Law School in The City.
Mehserle, 27, is accused of murder, but no other officers are facing disciplinary or other charges. The Alameda County District Attorney’s Office, which is prosecuting Mehserle, did not return calls for comment Monday. Mehserle is being held at Santa Rita Jail in Dublin and has pleaded not guilty.
The footage of Pirone punching Grant seems new to the case, but KTVU’s news director said Monday that the same clip has been available for viewing in full on its Web site since Jan. 6, less than a week before Gee publicly exonerated Pirone and the other officers present on the Fruitvale platform.
The question now is whether BART had missed seeing the footage of the punching incident during its investigation or had chosen to ignore it in order protect Pirone, experts say.
“If the police chief made that statement having seen this video ... the chief should be fired,” Keane said.
He also said if it’s discovered that officers witnessed the punching and chose not to report it to investigators, they “at a minimum” should lose their jobs.
“This is the most revealing of all the videos, the most damning,” he said.
Grant’s killing has sparked social unrest and led to rioting in Oakland.
Attorney John Burris, who’s representing Grant’s family in a $25 million claim against BART, said he’d “like to believe” BART investigators missed the punching incident while reviewing the available video footage.
“If they saw it, that’s a cover-up,” Burris said.
BART officials said they will conduct a “rigorous” internal-affairs investigation into Pirone’s actions. Repeated e-mails and phone calls asking whether the transit agency had missed seeing the punch during its initial investigation have not been returned.

― Badder Meinhof Syndrome (libcrypt), Thursday, 29 January 2009 08:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

There was a young man in the Houston area, Bellaire, that was shot in the back while he was on the ground after being stopped at his own house and falsely accused of having a stolen car. around the same time. He lived, but that was just chance.

there really haven't been any protests and it hasn't been a major media event. Here's a random article about it http://www.khou.com/news/local/stories/khou090105_mh_bellaire_shooting_meeting.4059f425.html

Sometimes it feels like what happens in Houston isn't real to the national media.

I'm not trying to intrude on your local news, or your feelings about it. I don't know what it would be like to live where protests or riots take place when these things happen. I feel bad when it just passes by down here. It's a nation wide situation. Maybe the people of Oakland feel alone with these situations. and the people of Cincinnati. all of us.

― james k polk, Thursday, 29 January 2009 09:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

wayyyyy off this ^^^^ subject, but I found this super disappointing and this is the oakland thread:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/06/24/DDMH11DRSK.DTL

― iatee, Thursday, 5 February 2009 00:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03/03/bart.lawsuit/index.html

$50 million lawsuit filed in BART shooting case

(CNN) -- The family of a man slain by a former transit police officer filed a $50 million lawsuit Monday against officers involved in the New Year's Day shooting, the family's attorney told CNN affiliate KTVU.
The shooting of Oscar Grant III, an unarmed man, sparked large protests in Oakland.

The shooting of Oscar Grant III, an unarmed man, sparked large protests in Oakland.

The hefty price tag is double what the family's attorney originally asked for in its legal claim, which is the first step in filing a lawsuit. In the weeks after the shooting, John Burris, the victim's family attorney, filed a $25 million claim alleging wrongful death. Burris said he decided to raise the amount of the lawsuit after learning more about the shooting of 22-year-old Oscar Grant III on a platform of a Bay Area Rapid Transit train station.

"It is the most outrageous shooting, police-misconduct case I have ever been involved in," the veteran civil rights lawyer told the affiliate.

The lawsuit alleging wrongful death and violation of civil rights names then-Officer Johannes Mehserle, the BART police chief and other officers involved in the incident, Burris said.

The shooting drew national attention after grainy cell phone videos of the incident taken by a bystander began circulating on the Internet and news shows.

The video showed Mehserle, 27, pulling his gun and shooting Grant in the back as another officer kneeled on Grant.

Mehserle may have intended to draw and fire his Taser rather than his gun, according to a court filing by his attorney.

The shooting of the unarmed man sparked large protests in Oakland and led to the arrest of Mehserle on a murder charge.

― Let's Keep This Jam Casual (jeff), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 19:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

So large protests.

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 19:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

this was exactly what our overflowing-with-money public transportation system needed

― iatee, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 19:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

waiting to see what the financial damage from the "strong police presence" at all the protests is going to cost Oakland, and what huge budget cuts they're going to make.

― what happened? I'm confused. (sarahel), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 20:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

I am reading a funny novel set in Oakland, Youth in Revolt.

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 3 March 2009 20:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

never read it, though a friend recommended it to me years ago. Maybe I should read it.

― what happened? I'm confused. (sarahel), Tuesday, 3 March 2009 20:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/03/21/us/AP-Police-Shot-CA.html

ugh

― iatee, Sunday, 22 March 2009 02:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

3 of the 4 are now reported dead. Apparently this was really close to the East Oakland police station. It could be worse, they could have killed people on the healthy neighborhoods walking tour.

― unexpected item in bagging area (sarahel), Sunday, 22 March 2009 05:34 (4 years ago) Permalink

from AP: As for the slain shooting suspect, the father said, "The man was evidently terribly desperate. It is a sad story..."

― moonship journey to baja, Sunday, 22 March 2009 09:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

father of the cop that got shot but is still alive

― moonship journey to baja, Sunday, 22 March 2009 09:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

Kinda shocked here to hear reports of "celebrations" of the cops' deaths.

― plenty chong (libcrypt), Sunday, 22 March 2009 14:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

I'm not

― The Lost Boys Buff Guy Playing Sax (rockapads), Sunday, 22 March 2009 20:40 (4 years ago) Permalink

4th officer dead

― iatee, Sunday, 22 March 2009 20:43 (4 years ago) Permalink

Shocked, not surprised.

― plenty chong (libcrypt), Sunday, 22 March 2009 20:43 (4 years ago) Permalink

did anyone hear about 5 murders going don on 12th st near 14th ave on march 4th? i rode past a roped off street and 2 coroners' vans on my way home, but i never saw anything about it in the news. but you'd think 5 murders in one day would merit news coverage. strange.

― Mother Father Chinese Dentist (ytth), Sunday, 22 March 2009 21:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

I think there was an Oscar Grant protest that day.

― unexpected item in bagging area (sarahel), Sunday, 22 March 2009 21:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

there was, and all the news i searched for on the net was about that... but still- 5 people murdered in an apartment building? that's practically a massacre, and the news loves calling things massacres.

― Mother Father Chinese Dentist (ytth), Monday, 23 March 2009 00:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

^^ true that. Also, if someone is murdered in San Francisco it trumps a murder in Oakland.

Maybe a stupid question, but how do you know that 5 people were murdered?

― unexpected item in bagging area (sarahel), Monday, 23 March 2009 01:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

i went to the crime stats website to look at how many murders there have been in the last 90 days within a mile from my house. i was curious, because it's not every day you see buildings roped off and coroner's vans on the ride home from work...

― Mother Father Chinese Dentist (ytth), Monday, 23 March 2009 01:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

oh yeah, it's listed on the OPD crime stats report - guessing that since 4 of them all happened within minutes of each other and were either 1st degree or no type stated and the 5th was a half hour later and second degree, that the 5th murder was probably the person that killed the other four. Weird that there wasn't news about it, you're right!

― unexpected item in bagging area (sarahel), Monday, 23 March 2009 01:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

also, i guess it seems flippant to mention, since the oakland thread has been devoted to loss of life lately, but the parkway is having its last hurrah right now. people are lined up around the block to get in. i, for one, am devastated not only at the loss of the parkway, but at the fact that this neighborhood looks like it's gonna get worse before it gets better.

― Mother Father Chinese Dentist (ytth), Monday, 23 March 2009 01:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

my s.o. used to live in that neighborhood (near the Parkway) when it first opened, and it was a lot worse then than it is now. I think a lot of people who moved to Oakland in the last 3 or 4 years have moved to that neighborhood (at least most of the people I know), so I don't think it's going to go back to 1997 levels of dismal, at least in terms of crime.

― unexpected item in bagging area (sarahel), Monday, 23 March 2009 01:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

http://uhurunews.com/event?resource_name=march-and-candlelight-vigil-for-lovelle-mixon-and-the-african-community

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/03/25/BADD16N9VP.DTL

This is some through-the-looking-glass shit.

― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 26 March 2009 07:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

That doesn't surprise me. What would is if there were a rally in Oakland for Johannes Mehserle - the BART cop that shot Oscar Grant. "We are all Johannes Mehserle. We all sometimes fuck up and kill someone for no good reason." Actually Mixon and Mehserle do have that in common.

― unexpected item in bagging area (sarahel), Thursday, 26 March 2009 07:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

he didn't rape little girls though

― iatee, Thursday, 26 March 2009 07:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

oh come on, it was just _one_ little girl.

― unexpected item in bagging area (sarahel), Thursday, 26 March 2009 07:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

O_O
http://indybay.org/newsitems/2009/03/25/18582590.php

LOVELL MIXON IN MEMORY AND SUPPORT RALLY ON EAST OAKLAND
by Freelance Reporter
Wednesday Mar 25th, 2009 9:47 PM

Family friends and total estrangers gather today’s at the place where Lovell Mixon Ceased to exist in this physical form this past Saturday in Oakland CA. People were there to show solidarity and support and to tell the media and the whole police department that they can go to hell because "we don’t believe in the demonization of this modern day Malcolm X". A Native American Man said " the only raper i can really think of is the ones who came and rape my mother land"

― steve "no neck" yamaguchi (vermonter), Thursday, 26 March 2009 08:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

Because Lovell Mixon was a stirring orator and a charismatic leader of men. Struck down too early to write his compelling autobiography.

― unexpected item in bagging area (sarahel), Thursday, 26 March 2009 08:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

jesus christ

― where we turn sweet dreams into remarkable realities (just1n3), Thursday, 26 March 2009 15:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

that is actually totally insane

― where we turn sweet dreams into remarkable realities (just1n3), Thursday, 26 March 2009 15:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

Lolo Darnell, one of Mixon's cousins at the demonstration, said, "He needs sympathy too. If he's a criminal, everybody's a criminal."

I just don't know how to respond to this.

― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 26 March 2009 15:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

i wish that certain people could see that not every single thing in world comes down to race.

― where we turn sweet dreams into remarkable realities (just1n3), Thursday, 26 March 2009 15:49 (4 years ago) Permalink

so basically Oakland residents really REALLY hate the cops. Like, more than rapists.

― Featuring Ben Jones as Geir's Cooter (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 26 March 2009 16:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

and more than pedophiles, too

― where we turn sweet dreams into remarkable realities (just1n3), Thursday, 26 March 2009 16:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

let's not blow it out of proportion, that looks like 5-10 "community organizers" and 40-50 friends they picked up off the street. you could probably organize a thousand man march through oakland in support of the seven galaxies in 24 hours, it's just that sort of place.

― moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 26 March 2009 16:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

^^^^Frank Chu wishes

― I'm Into that Japanese Pop-Funk (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 26 March 2009 16:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

ive heard people suggest that mixon's rape charges were trumped-up, if not wholly fabricated.

― 69, Thursday, 26 March 2009 16:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

and i mean, whether or not it's a rational response, there are rational people who distrust oakland police. that said, it's very sad that these four people died.

― 69, Thursday, 26 March 2009 16:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

this is true - i mean, my fiance got harassed very recently for no apparent reason: he (a white guy) was just riding his bike to work and some cop basically tried to intimidate (and forced him as close to the edge of road as possible, so that he had to ride through a bunch of broken glass and got a flat tire) him. we also had some rude cop beating down our door while trying to track down our neighbours. so yeah, i don't have much love for the police around here. but it sure as hell doesn't mean that it's ok to be happy that 4 men are dead, given that i have no idea what kind of policemen they were.

― where we turn sweet dreams into remarkable realities (just1n3), Thursday, 26 March 2009 16:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

what i hear around here isnt a happiness that cops are dead, but a kind of SO WHAT response, motivated by the volume and history of unreported/unpublicized police violence in oakland. im new here (in oakland, not on ILX LOL), so i have basically no idea about the real story, but i know that these vigils are not throngs of cop-haters having parties!

― 69, Thursday, 26 March 2009 16:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

re: OPD history - there are really good, legitimate reasons the Black Panther Party was born in Oakland.

― I'm Into that Japanese Pop-Funk (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 26 March 2009 16:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

can anyone recommend a book to read abt this?

― 69, Thursday, 26 March 2009 16:42 (4 years ago) Permalink

69, what part of oakland are you in?

― where we turn sweet dreams into remarkable realities (just1n3), Thursday, 26 March 2009 16:51 (4 years ago) Permalink

live above the adams pt whole foods, work for a housing/banking watchdog at 13th and broadway.

full disclosure: my gf and i are moving to the mission this weekend, but im interested in having dual-bay-citizenship

― 69, Thursday, 26 March 2009 16:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

I've never had a negative interaction with the cops around here, but I am a bougie white dude so what do I know.

― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Thursday, 26 March 2009 16:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

my gf and i are moving to the mission this weekend, but im interested in having dual-bay-citizenship

congrats! welcome to the neighborhood! I'm at 25th and Hampshire

― I'm Into that Japanese Pop-Funk (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 26 March 2009 17:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

Perhaps Oakland needs to spend 10 years without any police presence whatsoever.

― Sorry that's the implant talking (libcrypt), Thursday, 26 March 2009 17:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

I hear that Juarez has some really great community organizers that might be able to help out Oakland in their post-police future.

― Sorry that's the implant talking (libcrypt), Thursday, 26 March 2009 17:13 (4 years ago) Permalink

not really a 1:1 analogy there (but I lolled)

― I'm Into that Japanese Pop-Funk (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 26 March 2009 17:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

congrats! welcome to the neighborhood! I'm at 25th and Hampshire

― I'm Into that Japanese Pop-Funk (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, March 26, 2009 5:04 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark

hi dere 21st and AL

― 69, Thursday, 26 March 2009 17:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

but this is a discussion for another thread

― 69, Thursday, 26 March 2009 17:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

hey im not from oakland or anything but i bet its possible to remain critical of the opd and its history and policies and not actually be advocating a police-free city

― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Thursday, 26 March 2009 17:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

― Sorry that's the implant talking (libcrypt), Thursday, 26 March 2009 17:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

live above the adams pt whole foods

You're not the guy that was playing Fleetwood Mac over and over again every afternoon a couple months back are you?

― unexpected item in bagging area (sarahel), Thursday, 26 March 2009 20:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

I can't imagine an ilx poster doing that

― iatee, Thursday, 26 March 2009 20:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

well, someone who lives in the building that's right above the adams pt whole foods did this! It was kinda annoying because I don't like Fleetwood Mac, but it was nowhere near as bad as the dude a few years back that played "Hey Jude" on his car stereo below our window around 1am for a couple weeks straight.

― unexpected item in bagging area (sarahel), Thursday, 26 March 2009 20:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

LOL i wish it had been me, but my gf and i just got to CA on 2/23 or something

― 69, Thursday, 26 March 2009 21:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

seriously though, do you live on Vern0n Terrace?

― unexpected item in bagging area (sarahel), Thursday, 26 March 2009 21:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

just till tuesday but yeah!

― 69, Thursday, 26 March 2009 21:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

I've known so many people who have lived on Vernon for some reason.

― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Thursday, 26 March 2009 21:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

I live on Vernon, next to the "terrace" ... I feel sorry for everyone who has to get a moving van up vernon terrace. A while back some guys' van literally got stuck and had to get a tow.

― unexpected item in bagging area (sarahel), Thursday, 26 March 2009 21:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

i live right across from you, on the other side of the lake

― where we turn sweet dreams into remarkable realities (just1n3), Thursday, 26 March 2009 21:43 (4 years ago) Permalink

yay! Maybe we should have an Oakland drinking expedition, Berkeley ilx-ors are invited as well.

― unexpected item in bagging area (sarahel), Thursday, 26 March 2009 21:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

that might be pretty cool. i don't really know any of the oakland/berkxlors, online or off.

― where we turn sweet dreams into remarkable realities (just1n3), Thursday, 26 March 2009 21:53 (4 years ago) Permalink

Well hey I'm in adams point closer to fairyland. I have also been known to play "Over and Over" over and over.

― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 26 March 2009 22:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

I've never met any ILX people before, but I would participate if invited!

― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Thursday, 26 March 2009 22:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

suggestions for cool places to meet? i don't really go to bars so i have no idea!

― where we turn sweet dreams into remarkable realities (just1n3), Thursday, 26 March 2009 22:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

Easy Lounge has a cool happy hour. Geo Kaye's is good, too. So is Kona Club.

― unexpected item in bagging area (sarahel), Thursday, 26 March 2009 22:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

lol i have no idea where any of those are

― where we turn sweet dreams into remarkable realities (just1n3), Thursday, 26 March 2009 23:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

geo kaye's is on broadway.

I don't drink but depending on when this was I might show up and drink water.

― akm, Thursday, 26 March 2009 23:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

don't worry - i don't really drink anymore either, so you won't be on your own!

― where we turn sweet dreams into remarkable realities (just1n3), Thursday, 26 March 2009 23:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

I had to look them all up but then remembered that Kaye's has been rec'd to me many times, and Kona is the tiki bar I have driven past approximately a gazillion times.

― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Thursday, 26 March 2009 23:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

ned is in sf this weekend, maybe he could be persuaded to visit dirty ol' oakland

― where we turn sweet dreams into remarkable realities (just1n3), Thursday, 26 March 2009 23:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

I might be interested in coming, depending on time...

― iatee, Friday, 27 March 2009 00:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

hah, I used to live a few blocks from Geo Kayes. I think it was the first bar I went to in the bay area. Kerry House was a fave.

― The Lost Boys Buff Guy Playing Sax (rockapads), Friday, 27 March 2009 01:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

My brother, who's not very message board-savvy (i.e. he has a life), is moving to Oakland and wants to know what the safest, most affordable areas are. I guess affordable first and safety second, although I know for a fact he doesn't want to live anywhere that he's going to have to worry about home break-ins or hear shots ringing out all night. Do such places exist? We live in a relatively "rough" city right now, although I don't think it's Oakland-rough.

Also, how's the job market now? Not career-level stuff, but just like restaurant jobs, Trader Joe's type places, maybe working for a newspaper or magazine? That type of thing.

I think he'd like to have a roommate as long as he had his own room.

Is Oakland a fun place to live overall? How much time do you guys spend in SF vs. Oakland (those of you who live in Oakland)?

Thanks!

― Reatards Unite, Sunday, 26 April 2009 02:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

Generally, the safest areas are the least affordable areas. When picking a neighborhood to live in, he probably should consider his primary mode of transportation. If he's comfortable riding a bike in a city, there are a lot more options than if he doesn't have a car and doesn't want to bike.

Most of the folks I know that have moved to Oakland in the past couple years (as opposed to me who's lived in the same place for 11+ years) end up in the Temescal, North Oakland or just east of Lake Merritt. The first two are good for easy access to SF and Berkeley (the two places he's most likely to find work).

Except in a few neighborhoods, he wouldn't have to worry much about home break-ins or gunfire, but car break-ins and muggings are par for the course in a number of places.

― giving a shit when it isn't your turn to give a shit (sarahel), Sunday, 26 April 2009 03:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

out of curiosity, if he doesn't have a place or a job, what exactly is his reason for wanting to move to oakland?

― iatee, Sunday, 26 April 2009 03:43 (4 years ago) Permalink

temescal is still relatively cheap. I mean all of oakland is relatively cheap compared to SF or Berkeley. But temescal, even though it is cute and looks safe, has a lot of robberies (maybe fewer these days, but there were a lot of street robberies and muggings, I think they finally caught a few of the people responsible for most of these). even up on piedmont ave there are robberies and muggings. this happens because oakland PD is understaffed and criminals take advantage; they come into the neighborbood to rob, it's not like they live there. I'd say, if you're that worried about it, move to Montclair, but it's not cheap there and it's hard to get around, might as well live in Berkeley. Or just move to Temescal and try not to worry about it, you'll probably be fine.

― akm, Sunday, 26 April 2009 04:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

Temescal is safe, close to things, GREAT for biking. Also Geta Sushi, mmm..

― the table is the table, Sunday, 26 April 2009 04:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

also, a Burma Superstar just opened there.

― akm, Sunday, 26 April 2009 14:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

When I lived in Oakland, I lived between Piedmont and Broadway, between 40th and Pleasant Valley. Further east it gets a little more pricey, further west it gets a little sketch (I think I have my directions right - it's been a while). This area is freakin' great. If I ever had to move back to Oakland, I would look here first.

― slugbaiting (rockapads), Sunday, 26 April 2009 17:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

slugbaiting, that is almost exactly where my friends live or have lived in the past. very awesome area.

― the table is the table, Sunday, 26 April 2009 17:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

xp that area used to be relatively cheap, but isn't anymore.

― giving a shit when it isn't your turn to give a shit (sarahel), Sunday, 26 April 2009 21:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

Also, how's the job market now? Not career-level stuff, but just like restaurant jobs, Trader Joe's type places, maybe working for a newspaper or magazine? That type of thing.

I know a lot of people who are out of work. It's isn't great.

― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Sunday, 26 April 2009 21:31 (4 years ago) Permalink

i live by the parkway theater just east of the lake, and my apartment got broken into and robbed. my friend lived in piedmont for awhile (off the corner of pleasant valley and howe) and a guy smashed her window and crawled in at night, although her husband chased him off with a bat. you're really rolling the dice anywhere in oakland, although i still like living here and try to defend it most of the time. just live somewhere decent, like in the grand lake, temescal, or piedmont areas, and get renter's insurance.

― hokey pokey squiggle tops (ytth), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 02:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

as I said above, everyone I know who lives in temescal has been mugged, a few of them at gunpoint; only one of them got hurt though (hit in the face...by teenagers!). none of them this year though.

― akm, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 04:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

I live in Temescal and have never been mugged. The only time my place got broken into was when I lived in the gourmet ghetto in North Berkeley, ironically enough.

― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 04:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, when I lived in Piedmont there was a rash of muggings-at-gunpoint by a group of three teenagers. Nobody got hurt, and they were never caught. Some dudes tried to mug me walking back from MacArthur BART station at like 11pm one night, but I pushed through them and ducked into a well-lit liquor store. Shit like that just happens in Oakland. I also lived a few blocks from the Coliseum for about a year, but the only thing that happened to me out there was being stalked by wild dogs on the way home from work.

― slugbaiting (rockapads), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 19:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

A friend of mine got cold-cocked by some teenage dickhead and now has a bunch of false teeth.

― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 19:30 (4 years ago) Permalink

jeez, oakland sounds pretty grim

― velko, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 19:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

in my limited experience, if you take the same precautions you would in any big city, you will be fine in oakland. this is not to discount the above experiences or diminish the fact that some parts of oakland are pretty tough, but you can certainly find places to live in a variety of neighborhoods that dont involve living in constant fear or anything.

― 69, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 19:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

gourmet ghetto in North Berkeley

I just heard of this area yesterday (casually surveying housing listings) - wtf with this neighborhood name

― shit was shocking as fuck back then (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 19:45 (4 years ago) Permalink

I just heard of this area yesterday (casually surveying housing listings) - wtf with this neighborhood name

The neighborhood is sometimes more formally referred to as "North Shattuck". It received its nickname due to the high concentration of fine eating establishments in the area, including Chez Panisse and the Cheese Board Collective, as well as the first Peet's Coffee.

(Also there is a high concentration of Jewish residents, in my experience.)

― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 19:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

i like lakeshore and temescal -- adams point is cool, too, but im a little unclear on where that ends and lakeshore starts. some new movers-to-oakland like west oakland. i havent spent too much time there, but theres a lot of controversy over the high prevalence of liquor stores there and zero grocery stores.

― 69, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 19:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

xp: from my understanding, Adams Point is directly north of Lake Merritt; Lakeshore/Grand Lake neighborhood is northeast of the Lake - where the Grand Lake theater is. That's an okay neighborhood - a few friends live over there - there's a Trader Joe's, a few good dive bars, and stroller people during the day.

West Oakland: also a lot of controversy about white people gentrifying the traditionally black neighborhood; also plenty of drug dealing and murders. A friend of mine who used to live there before moving to Europe once called the police to report a guy across the street beating up a woman, and they asked if she was bleeding. He replied, "Do you want me to go outside and find that out for you?"

― giving a shit when it isn't your turn to give a shit (sarahel), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 20:06 (4 years ago) Permalink

Here is your handy map, which has probably been posted before but is still relevant:

http://oakland.crimespotting.org

― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 20:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

they asked if she was bleeding

ahhhhhhhhhhhh

― 69, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 20:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

also that crimespotting map is a really nice presentation (of wild data)

― 69, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 20:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

wow that crimespotting site has gotten a lot nicer than it was the last time i checked it.

― slugbaiting (rockapads), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 21:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah that map is really cool, I wish it covered the entire bay area

― iatee, Tuesday, 28 April 2009 21:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

the way it overlays stuff (based on date?) makes it more difficult to see where murders happen. On the other hand, in terms of the average person's quality of life, or likelihood of being a victim, they should probably worry more about robberies and thefts than murders. Of course, the thing is, not all crimes get reported ... when my car got broken into last year, I didn't report it. It makes me wonder whether certain crimes are more likely to be reported in "better" areas.

― giving a shit when it isn't your turn to give a shit (sarahel), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 21:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

It makes me wonder whether certain crimes are more likely to be reported in "better" areas.

If that's true, yikes!

― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 21:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

xp I just think about how city blogs will post items from suburban or small town police blotters for the lol factor -- that these small crimes are even being reported or investigated.

― giving a shit when it isn't your turn to give a shit (sarahel), Tuesday, 28 April 2009 21:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

totally off the current topic, and also on a lighter note: do oaklanders have any recommendations for good sort of junkyards/thrift stores where i could find a decent set of wooden drawers and a big desk?

― where we turn sweet dreams into remarkable realities (just1n3), Wednesday, 29 April 2009 04:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

a coworker of mine just moved to west oakland (21-year old recent uc santa cruz grad who's down with the plight of the black folk) and he goes on at length about how vibrant his community is and how it gets such a bad rap... and i'm like, dude you've lived there for 2 months and your perceptions of the community are more influenced by how happy you are to have street cred than anything else. so it doesn't surprise me to hear that west oakland is being gentrified pretty heavily - this guy is pretty much exhibit A for that.

― hokey pokey squiggle tops (ytth), Wednesday, 29 April 2009 04:38 (4 years ago) Permalink

for the junkyard/thrift store recommendation, I'm guessing Urban Ore is probably a good suggestion. It's in Berkeley (I think anyway) right off of Ashby, in between San Pablo and 880. It's a big old warehouse full of junk/not junk (including electronics, clothes, furniture, uh... doors, records... basically anything old and used). It's fun to look around anyway.

― altair nouveau, Wednesday, 29 April 2009 05:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

totally off the current topic, and also on a lighter note: do oaklanders have any recommendations for good sort of junkyards/thrift stores where i could find a decent set of wooden drawers and a big desk?

Define "decent". Obviously the first place to look is Urban Ore, but there's a guy who sells stuff about a block north of Alcatraz on Telegraph who has a lot of stuff like that for dirt cheap, although you'd need to refinish most of it unless you don't care about how stuff looks.

― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Wednesday, 29 April 2009 05:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

mostly i just mean: not termite ridden, stable, functional (i.e. drawers slide in and out adequately). not to fussed with the appearance.

― where we turn sweet dreams into remarkable realities (just1n3), Wednesday, 29 April 2009 05:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, check OE and the spot on Telegraph. Usually a bunch of stuff just sitting around outside, a little bit north of Cafe Colucci.

― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Wednesday, 29 April 2009 05:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

Urban Ore is a bit "overpriced" now - furniture selection isn't as great as their selection of fixtures - like doors, toilets, etc. The San Pablo flea market place (not actually a flea market) but a big thrift/junk shop on San Pablo in North Oakland might be a better bet. They also have desks at the UC Berkeley surplus warehouse, which is around the corner from Urban Ore on the street between 67th and Ashby, also on San Pablo. It's the same building that houses the bindery and up until recently, printing services.

― giving a shit when it isn't your turn to give a shit (sarahel), Wednesday, 29 April 2009 09:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

thanks guys

― where we turn sweet dreams into remarkable realities (just1n3), Wednesday, 29 April 2009 14:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

36 Hours in Oakland, Calif.

― Maltodextrin, Sunday, 3 May 2009 04:06 (4 years ago) Permalink

I live in the gourmet ghetto! it's been called that for ages.

― akm, Sunday, 3 May 2009 07:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

36 Hours in Oakland, Calif.

I loathe Luka's ... I had more positive experiences there when it was the rat-infested Hofbrau. It reminds me of Blondie's in SF circa 1999.

― giving a shit when it isn't your turn to give a shit (sarahel), Sunday, 3 May 2009 22:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

found ohmega salvage on san pablo - found an amazing desk there, perfect for what we need, but couldn't figure out a way to get it to our apartment anytime soon. kinda worried about wood rot & termites in it, too :/

― where we turn sweet dreams into remarkable realities (just1n3), Monday, 4 May 2009 02:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

Since the SF thread is about burritos right now, I'm totally obsessed with the Sinaloa taco truck in Fruitvale. So amazing.

― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Monday, 3 August 2009 18:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

Good to know, will check out.
Anyone know if the Lanesplitter by the lake is delivering yet? I heard there were take-out only...

― wmlynch, Monday, 3 August 2009 19:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

is there more than one? i went to the one in temescal this past wknd, it was dece

― reginald and the veljohnsons (donna rouge), Monday, 3 August 2009 19:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

There's one in Berkeley on San Pablo and they just opened a hole in the wall between Grand Ave. and Lakeshore sort of near the Serenader.

― wmlynch, Monday, 3 August 2009 20:34 (3 years ago) Permalink

Le Val's recently moved/opened a location in Oakland ... I got a good fish sandwich there.

― free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Monday, 3 August 2009 20:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

This is going to be fun:

― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Thursday, 3 September 2009 18:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

Woo hoo! Accidents!

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 3 September 2009 18:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1681730592?bctid=36873198001

― *⁂((✪⥎✪))⁂* (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 3 September 2009 18:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

I'm taking the ferry back tonight; the BART is going to be a clusterfuck I bet.

― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Thursday, 3 September 2009 18:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

Get to drive across one last time after work today (they let us out at 3 for the traffic) then tomorrow I'll find out how crowded BART is.

(My normal amazing system, for those who don't know, is to leave my car at the San Leandro BART station during the work week, then to BART back and forth with my car waiting for me in the East Bay to get to/from work/BART/lunch. I do the Bay Bridge twice a week, Monday morning and Friday night.)

― Chinavision (altair nouveau), Thursday, 3 September 2009 18:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

ok between this and the LA fires i got the hell out of dodge just in time :/

― xuxa pitts (donna rouge), Thursday, 3 September 2009 18:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

but this is cool!

― Chinavision (altair nouveau), Thursday, 3 September 2009 18:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

although I've wondered, what do Treasure Island residents do this weekend? They're closing both spans right?

― Chinavision (altair nouveau), Thursday, 3 September 2009 18:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

never mind: "Vehicle access to Yerba Buena Island and Treasure Island for residents, employees
and visitors will be maintained via special permit from San Francisco."

If you were also wondering.

― Chinavision (altair nouveau), Thursday, 3 September 2009 18:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

they haven't closed the bridge for almost exactly 20 years right?

― *⁂((✪⥎✪))⁂* (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 3 September 2009 18:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

no, they closed it a few years ago during the same weekend.

― akm, Thursday, 3 September 2009 18:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

so glad I live AND work in the east bay now

― akm, Thursday, 3 September 2009 18:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

guess I'm the only fan of infrastructure-repair-related traffic-and-transit-snarls then

― Chinavision (altair nouveau), Thursday, 3 September 2009 19:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

also, 24 hour BART!

― Chinavision (altair nouveau), Thursday, 3 September 2009 19:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

I would be a bigger fan if I didn't drive across that bridge so often.

― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Thursday, 3 September 2009 19:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

I predict BART won't be that bad tomorrow on account of everyone saying 'fuck this, I'm not coming in'. At least, that seems to be the dominant paradigm at my place of employment.

― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 3 September 2009 22:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

I'm hoping all the SOMA eateries will be dead tomorrow from all the east bay commuters staying home. No lines!

― Highly trained BBQ chef (rockapads), Friday, 4 September 2009 01:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

I have a gig in SF tomorrow night, and will brave the San Mateo bridge ...

― what happened? i am confused. (sarahel), Friday, 4 September 2009 19:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

Lotsa luck. Realized I drove over that section of the Eastern span for the LAST TIME EVER last night. I seriously stressed out about playing some appropriately cool music while doing so.

― lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Friday, 4 September 2009 19:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

They also seem to be doing a bunch of construction on 880 and 24.

― what happened? i am confused. (sarahel), Friday, 4 September 2009 20:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

Is it that center divider stuff on 880? That's been going on and annoying me for awhile. 880 is the worst freeway in the Bay Area, by the way.

― lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Friday, 4 September 2009 20:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

280 is the best.

― lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Friday, 4 September 2009 20:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

I spent several years commuting from Oakland to Hayward ... oh how I loathed 880.

― what happened? i am confused. (sarahel), Friday, 4 September 2009 20:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

downtown sf is a fucking ghosttown rn

would be an A+ night for critical mass

― *⁂((✪⥎✪))⁂* (Steve Shasta), Friday, 4 September 2009 20:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

OOh boy, can't wait to take my early out at work here, hop on BART, have a couple beers and get rolling with the extended weekend in isolated SF!
(sorry this isn't all that Oakland related, but hey, since that's where the bridge closure came up...)

― lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Friday, 4 September 2009 20:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

280 really is the best.

― akm, Friday, 4 September 2009 20:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

although there are stretches of heading right out of SF where people drive like maniacal assholes

― akm, Friday, 4 September 2009 20:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

"downtown sf is a fucking ghosttown rn"

My office is ridiculously empty even for a a Friday.

― Alex in SF, Friday, 4 September 2009 20:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

Sounds like the bridge may not re-open on time:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/09/06/california.bridge.closed/index.html

― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Sunday, 6 September 2009 16:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

that would be great, because then my boss won't come to work, and I won't have to feel bad about not finishing this crap on time.

― akm, Sunday, 6 September 2009 16:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

Time-lapse:

― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Thursday, 10 September 2009 00:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

that's awesome

― iatee, Thursday, 10 September 2009 01:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

Mehserle trial being moved out of Alameda County

― sarahel, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 19:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

Jacobson said his "deepest concern" was the possibility that jurors would have to walk past protesters outside the courthouse each day of the trial demanding "justice for Oscar Grant."

He really thinks simply moving the trial will dissuade protesters? Or quell the anger that will ensue if Mehserle is found not guilty?

― hyperstudio (skeletor), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 20:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

hey it worked for in Simi Valley lolz

― Jesus, the Czar of Czars (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 20:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

er "those cops in" Simi Valley

― Jesus, the Czar of Czars (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 20:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

I just think it's kinda fucked up that Oakland via OPD has ended up bearing so much expense of babysitting/handling protesters when it was BART's fuck-up that brought it about. Meanwhile BART from Oakland to SF costs 3 times as much as in 1997.

― sarahel, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 20:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah I couldn't help but think about that during the protests downtown. Of all the lousy situations for BART to drop on Oakland's doorstep.

― lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 20:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

for a while they were having protests weekly near City Hall on the same day I was working for a client in the Tribune Tower. I could tell they were running out of steam when for half an hour some guy was going on about the only way to prevent travesties like this is by an authentic Socialist Revolution.

― sarahel, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 20:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

god those international socialist party people are the worst

― Jesus, the Czar of Czars (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 21:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

19th Street Station was covered in these this morning,

― svend, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 21:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

lo....l?

― Jesus, the Czar of Czars (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 21 October 2009 21:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

whoa shit.

in other downtown oakland news, the lady at the NY deli on the corner of 14th and franklin insisted i and another customer pay her tomorrow instead of using card or a big bill to pay today. bad sign for a really great lunch place.

― 69, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 21:34 (3 years ago) Permalink

Why's the Bay Bridge falling down?

― wmlynch, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 03:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

some repair fuckup from that crack they found during labour weekend. apparently a big cable or something came loose and crashed out on 3 cars. bridge expected to be closed for the next 24hrs.

― DAN P3RRY MAD AT GRANDMA (just1n3), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 03:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

the bay bridge twitter says that the bridge is closed indefinitely. i wish it had said, "aahh!!! in so much pain!!! snapped cable and it hurts so much!!!"

― I Endorse He-Horse (ytth), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 03:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

i don't want to go to work tomorrow anymore. bart gonna suck.

― wmlynch, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 05:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

Ugh, goddamnit.

― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 05:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

hmm... BART will be crowded, but on the other hand so many people will be late to work tomorrow that I can probably take it slow. All in all, not so bad.

― lou reed scott walker monks niagra (chinavision!), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 05:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

for future reference, people who live in oakland as i do now: when this sort of bullshit happens and it's post-BART, which way do you take to get home? we did the san mateo-hayward bridge tonight and it wasn't bad, but i wonder if the golden gate to san rafael-richmond bridge isn't faster?

― my bach penises and their contrapuntal technique (the table is the table), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 08:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

golden gate to san rafael-richmond tends to be faster, yes.

― sarahel, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 08:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

i mean, we were also in potrero hill/dogpatch. so even then? i just tend to believe that the more one can avoid 'streets' on such a drive, the better. but i also hate stopping for lights.

― my bach penises and their contrapuntal technique (the table is the table), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 08:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

well, it obviously depends on traffic. i think they're doing a bunch of road construction on 880 right now (or they were fairly recently), but it seems like they're doing road construction just about everywhere.

― sarahel, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 08:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Thursday, 29 October 2009 16:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

well, it obviously depends on traffic. i think they're doing a bunch of road construction on 880 right now (or they were fairly recently), but it seems like they're doing road construction just about everywhere.

― sarahel, Wednesday, October 28, 2009 1:40 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark

Yeah, they still are. At some point before the entrance from the San Mateo bridge onto the 880 North there's a lot of construction. The exit to the 880N is the middle lane, and 880 South is the right lane. Signs don't tell you until right before, and since the traffic is completely backed up, switching at the last minute (as people inevitably do) causes a lot of anger. Haven't driven it yet since the Bridge closed, but the girlfriend reports tonight. She might be pissy.

― throwbookatface (skygreenleopard), Friday, 30 October 2009 00:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

Last New Year's Eve, the San Francisco Area rung in the New Year with a bad start. A police officer working for the BART transit system shot and killed an unarmed man already restrained and facing down on the ground. Now that former cop, 27-year-old Johannes Mehserle stands trial for murder.

With all the media attention and community reaction--some crazy riots--the climate in Bay Area was too intense to hold the trial there. Therefore a judge ruled to move it to downtown Los Angeles. The family of the victim, Oscar Grant, is happy with the decision. Mehserle's lawyers are not.

"Citing the reaction to the 1991 police beating of Rodney King in Los Angeles, [defense attorney Michael] Rains also argued that the trial could drag that city back in time, and into 'the boiling cauldron we wanted to get out of in Alameda County,'" explained the San Francisco Chronicle. Rains also argued that with L.A.'s backlog of cases, the trial won't happen for some time and that it would be better to move the case to San Diego. Others argue moving it to San Diego would result in a not guilty verdict.

― and then makes him speak only by rapping (he hates rap) (jeff), Friday, 20 November 2009 20:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think this is OK. They couldn't have found 12 impartial jurors in AC anyhow. I doubt this will be Rodney King II, but no doubt there will be some street activity during the trial regardless of where it's held. In any event, Oakland doesn't need another round of riots anytime soon.

― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 20 November 2009 20:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

This sounds like a good compromise to me, too.

― sarahel, Friday, 20 November 2009 20:34 (3 years ago) Permalink

this dude's gonna be found guilty anywhere the bigger question is whether it spurs the kind of systemic changes necessary to reform the BART cops into something other than trigger happy nutjobs

― Jack Kirby's Orangutan Surfing Civilization (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 20 November 2009 20:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think the big question is what he is found guilty of - like is he going to be found guilty of a lesser charge than those who want the guy punished as much as possible want to see.

― sarahel, Friday, 20 November 2009 20:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

The latter seems more likely. The outcome will hinge entirely on how effective the defense is, and what evidence they present--most or all of which has not yet been heard publicly (to my knowledge).

As per Shakey's comment--did the BART cops already have a rep for being trigger happy already?

― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 20 November 2009 20:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

not nearly as bad as OPD.

― sarahel, Friday, 20 November 2009 20:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

BART cops have a number of unjustifiable homicides under the belt, most "classic" one being their murder of a naked, unarmed man

― Jack Kirby's Orangutan Surfing Civilization (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 20 November 2009 21:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

(they shot him in the back! classy!)

― Jack Kirby's Orangutan Surfing Civilization (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 20 November 2009 21:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

BART cops are all totally off their fucking rockers, yes.

― ken taylrr, Friday, 20 November 2009 21:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

i am still trying to substantiate this further, but i read a few months ago that there's court precedent for the "taser confusion" defense negating a murder charge. i think the trial could be held in senegal and there would still be riots in downtown oakland if he's found not guilty.

― I Endorse He-Horse (ytth), Saturday, 21 November 2009 02:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

well, there wouldn't be daily protests and grandstanding outside the courthouse every day of the trial that would cost the City a bunch of money that it doesn't have. Not that the financial argument should outweigh the issue of justice. But, I was actually going to work and driving home from work in the area where the major riot took place on the night it did take place -- and my first thought was how much is this gonna cost the City in police overtime alone, and that it would be a shame if it resulted in a lot of services of quality of life stuff that the City has funded in the past getting cut because of how much they have to spend on cops. My second thought upon witnessing it was, "And this is why we cannot have nice things."

― sarahel, Saturday, 21 November 2009 18:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

so a BART cop has been caught on camera basically forcing a dude's head through a window.

― DAN P3RRY MAD AT GRANDMA (just1n3), Monday, 23 November 2009 05:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

^I just saw this on a local news teaser, but looks like the vid has been taken off youtube.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/11/22/BA9V1AORMM.DTL&tsp=1

― Jenny-Bea Englishman (Whitey on the Moon), Monday, 23 November 2009 05:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

not only that but it looks like the same location that Oscar Grant was killed?

― ♪♫(●̲̲̅̅̅̅=̲̲̅̅̅̅●̲̅̅)♪♫ (Steve Shasta), Monday, 23 November 2009 05:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

looks like window confusion to me

― and then makes him speak only by rapping (he hates rap) (jeff), Monday, 23 November 2009 06:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

― and then makes him speak only by rapping (he hates rap) (jeff), Monday, 23 November 2009 06:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

"game over drunk man... that cop is not fucking around"

that glass breaking sound is almost comical. it sounds so perfect and fake.

― and then makes him speak only by rapping (he hates rap) (jeff), Monday, 23 November 2009 07:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

wtf

― oh (skeletor), Monday, 23 November 2009 07:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

"don' touch him, put some gloves on if you're gonna touch that blood"

― oh (skeletor), Monday, 23 November 2009 07:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

that looks like West Oakland station to me

― sarahel, Monday, 23 November 2009 07:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

it was West Oakland. I doubt the guy meant to throw his head through a window at the BART station. cop was injured as well.

― Buck Utah (rockapads), Monday, 23 November 2009 08:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

more quality policing

― the butt is like a wailin' guitar solo (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 23 November 2009 16:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

even when they're in the right, they do it wrong

― the butt is like a wailin' guitar solo (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 23 November 2009 16:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

true

― Buck Utah (rockapads), Monday, 23 November 2009 17:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

I'm sure Shakey will love me referring to his "favorite" tv show - but the whole incident with Mehserle reminds me of when Prez accidentally shot the undercover cop in The Wire - it was a tragic mistake made by someone that probably shouldn't be a cop and carry a gun.

― sarahel, Monday, 23 November 2009 17:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

that guy is a little too excited to help out the police.

― Jenny-Bea Englishman (Whitey on the Moon), Monday, 23 November 2009 18:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

can anyone recommend a decent hotel/motel? my folks are going to be in town in april for a week and are looking for somewhere that has a room with a kitchenette type of thing.

― DAN P3RRY MAD AT GRANDMA (just1n3), Monday, 1 February 2010 03:34 (3 years ago) Permalink

http://www.claremontresort.com/

― Maltodextrin, Monday, 1 February 2010 03:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

liiiiiiitle bit out of my parents' price range! but yeah, beautiful hotel.

― DAN P3RRY MAD AT GRANDMA (just1n3), Monday, 1 February 2010 04:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

just applied for a job here lol

― mookieproof, Monday, 1 February 2010 04:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

maybe try the executive suites next to the Best Buy in Emeryville? The Jack London Inn is supposed to be okay. I think there's at least one not too pricey hotel in Jack London Square. Probably steer clear from no-tell motel row on Macarthur.

― sarahel, Monday, 1 February 2010 04:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

The French Hotel in North Berkeley is kinda barebones, but very good location.

― Your body is a spiderland (polyphonic), Monday, 1 February 2010 04:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

what kind of job, mookie???

― DAN P3RRY MAD AT GRANDMA (just1n3), Monday, 1 February 2010 05:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

think i'm gonna recommend them the hawthorne suites in alameda

― DAN P3RRY MAD AT GRANDMA (just1n3), Monday, 1 February 2010 05:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

web production thing; v. unlikely tbh

― mookieproof, Monday, 1 February 2010 05:29 (3 years ago) Permalink