frasier - c/d s/d

Generally after Niles and Daphne getting it on = dud, especially when the sentimental stuff began to outweigh the perfectly-formed farcical setpieces. Plus no Bulldog, which didn't help.

The series leading up to Niles and Daphne hitting it off was brilliant. By the end, I wanted them to get it on, but knew that the whole was that it shouldn't happen, comedy wise, but being a romantic fule, was v pleased when they eloped.

When it's clever, it's great. But I don't like all that running in and out and jumping into the wrong beds crap. I want word play, goddammit.

The silent episode closers were often an interesting formalism.

I find it so annoying and wrong, yet I watch it. It comes on before "Becker" which is also annoying and wrong...

Daphne's brother was played by Anthony LaPaglia wasnt he? He'd be bound to sound inauthentic - he's an Australian who's been in LA far too long!

Saw an ep (new?) recently I hadnt seen before. They had new downstairs neighbour who was effectively a black Frasier and they were at loggerheads but acting exactly like each other. Very well done, it was.

I agree on it being more schmaltzy since the Niles/Daphne wedding tho.

Last evs Frasier next Thursday. Anybody still care?

That's from a few series back.

Peri Gilpin is worthy of much love, and I can only imagine how horrible it would have been if Lisa Kudrow (the original choice to play Roz) had got the part.

I think I'm maybe the only person saddened that Frasier is finishing, and who doesn't think it's gone downhill since Niles and Daphne got married. However, I am extremely glad that they have rounded Daphne's character out more and stopped with all the kooky psychic shite.

Me too. Oh, hold on, I'm from Manchester.

The guy who plays Frasier's dad was born in Manchester too you know. Like rain on your wedding day, innit?

The situation and characters were great; got to love John Mahoney's wonderfully contrasting performance to the brothers; and of course the brotherly relationship between Niles and Frasier... Good to see a US sitcom focusing on such untypical Americans; pompous, pedantic and very likeable as well. Quite a feat.

SEARCH episode where old friend of dad Crane and deceased mum Crane comes to visit, and everybody starts suspecting he's had an affair with mum Crane because he's so much like Frasier and Niles, but in the end just turns out to be gay!

great episode, old friend was played by David Ogden Stiers iirc. I even like the show after Daphne/Niles hookup. I wasn't a fan of the show until it was almost over, catching up in syndication; i already know I don't much like the relatively hackneyed first few years.

never cared for the show when it was on, but i've been watching it a lot in syndication lately. the frasier/niles interplay is classic stuff.

i just wish niles and frasier wouldn't start running in circles flapping their hands every 5 minutes. otherwise classic.

oh and frasiers ex with the man voice always wearing really REALLY short dresses was kind of wrong too.

Lol, British people love Frasier. I spent NYE'98 at a B&B in York watching a Frasier marathon on BBC2.

http://flickr.com/photos/daychokesnight/557439779/

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This show is like Three's Company with psychiatrists.

I love Frasier, but all the actors playing English characters are fucking hopeless

Who plays English on the show?

black frasier http://video.aol.com/video-detail/black-frasier/3863273664

People playing Englishers that I can remember are Jane Leeves, Anthony LaPaglia, Robbie Coltrane and Richard E Grant (Daphne's brothers x 3), Millicent Martin (Daphne's mum) and Brian Cox (Daphne's dad). Some pretty good actors in that list, but all uniformly shit in Frasier. Even Brian Cox.

The worst English thing was the one where Daphne goes to the English pub and it's full of people going gorblimey and standing up for the national anthem and shit.

Daphne's family, especially her brother Simon. Worst character ever.

Just watched the The Focus Group episode, so funny the guy who finds Frasier 'annoying' but keeps denying it. "i think, you are a smarty pants"

david hyde pierce is a hilarious man.

Oh right, I somehow forgot all about Daphne's family.

me and my friends call this show 'white frasier'

OH THE IRONING

lol at Niles trying to fix the issue of seeing Daphne as a perfect woman, by telling her that her cooking is shite lol

mind you, he does get a shag from it

Saw the one recently where it's revealed (by Sarah Silverman) that Frasier has a habit of addressing his sexual partners mid-coitus as "M'Lady" - I was dying

so classic

Frasier: You know the expression "Living well is the best revenge?"
Niles: It's a wonderful expression. Just don't know how true it is. Don't see it turning up in a lot of opera plots. "Ludwig, maddened by the poisoning of his entire family, wreaks vengeance on Gunther in the third act by living well."
Frasier: All right, Niles.
Niles: "Whereupon Woton, upon discovering his deception, wreaks vengeance on Gunther in the third act again by living even better than the Duke."

Niles: What's the point of going to Switzerland without spending a day on the slopes? So, I ducked out of the conference, and who should I run into but Maris? She'd just flown in for her yearly goat-placenta treatments.

Frasier: Hmm... Good lord, is it placenta-treatment-time again, already?

Niles: We had a set-to on the slopes. She ran; I tried to follow her tracks in the snow but, alas, she made none.

i was just staring at a picture of david hyde pierce's face the other day and marveling at how much he does look like he could be kelsey grammer's brother

this show is so great

i always liked how maris was never seen, just like norm's wife from cheers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zYN2Vpe1pk

Just watched this episode with my gf, and we both laughed so much at the punchline at 0:29. Man, when this show was good, it was so good! I could spend hours just watching Niles and Frasier spar with each other.

Still love this show. Have been re-watching seasons 1-4 only recently and it's so consistent. When does it start to tail off? As I remember, the last few seasons are almost unwatchable.

it gets sappier as it goes on but even after niles and daphne get married there are occasional great episodes, including lots of unusually formalist farces.

or maybe that's not true. lifetime seems to run these randomly.

"A party thrown by whom? Caligula?"

Oh man, please tell me this is a real line uttered by Frasier.

― Ce soir je dîne sur la soupe de tortue (EDB), Wednesday, July 7, 2010 10:06 AM (10 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Still waiting on an answer to this...

We watched all these recently, got halfway through series 10 and bottled it. Just couldn't take it anymore.

But yeah, first 4–5 years are remarkable.

Also, once on a plane ride I caught most of an episode of Frasier where part of the plot (I think) revolved around meeting a famous Dadaist artist, but I missed the name and so waited for like 3+ hours for the airline tv service to go through its cycle and repeat the episode, but it cut out right before it started.

It was a mystery until about 2 minutes ago, when I bothered to just look it up on google, and it turns out its not even a real person, just a made up name.

Frasier: I'm Dr. Frasier Crane, and this is my brother, Dr. Niles Crane, the eminent psychiatrist.

Niles: My brother is too kind. He was already eminent when my eminence was merely imminent.

big lolz every time i watch that scene.

just rewatching this

probably one of my favourite shows and on s03e06 (sleeping with the enemy)

starting at 22:05 and the bit where roz comes in with the punchline is hilarious (ending at 25:06)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBno_GfJF30

LOL at "i'm going to get your 4% if i have to stay there all night"

s4e18 is peak ilx

its got ilx jargon
sock puppets
trolls
clusterfucks
a neurotic megalomaniac
and an unexpected lurker

halfway thru the entire thing and plot/subplots get a little repetitive

the show's quality really relies on the constant zings

s06e07

niles: oh the meat paste. well i threw it out. it smelled rancid
daphne: well thats the way it's supposed to smell. it's english

thatd be bovril obv

"The Two Mrs. Cranes," the farce where Daphne is pretending to be married to Niles, is one of my favorites. Especially when Martin willfully sabotages the whole charade by claiming to be an astronaut.

Clive: Daphne, I noticed in the phone book, your surname still is Moon.
Niles: That must be an old book. Now she hyphenates. It's Moon-Crane.
Martin: I remember the first time I ever drove a moon crane. I nearly rolled it into the Sea of Tranquility.

Show is great, but it really nosedives after Niles and Daphne get together. And the plots of those last few seasons are really dire... cool that it was on as long as Cheers, but it really limps to the finish line

xp lol

man they have such great lines

it's weird how i find myself watching just to hear martin come in with the punchline

niles too

but frasier seems to kind of fizzle out as the show progresses

nosedives after Niles and Daphne get together

And how.

ya when it was originally aired i never watched past season 6 or 7 i think, before they got together

and it was still p good at that point

has the frasierverse been discussed here yet

https://twitter.com/MechaGamezilla/status/840612104948338688

christ that is wild

Rozs char makes for the most wildest of stories

Maris was good for the first 20 seasons, but it really fell off sometime around season 24

http://frasierverse.wikia.com/wiki/Maris

MCTV

MCTV is a fan fiction spin-off based on the American sitcom Frasier. It follows a group of characters introduced in the fourth season of Maris, who work at MCTV, a television station owned by Maris Crane. Currently, there are 108 episode ideas, comprising 6 seasons.

See also: List of MCTV episodes

a fan fiction spin-off, of a fan fiction spin-off, based on an unseen character

looking through the episode summaries for Maris it seems that Maris never actually appears onscreen? makes it even more impressive that they managed to wring 29 seasons from the concept imo

Niles crane blood Prince http://drawbrandondraw.tumblr.com/post/75710995883/comics-bud-zac-gorman-began-putting-together-a

good lord

too "creative"

I'm also currently making my way through the show. Currently halfway through season three, did anything happen at that time? The tone changes, Frasier is off screen a lot. I've heard some stories... Anyway, just saw Moon Dance, the one where Niles and Daphne goes dancing at a fancy ball, and it's honestly a pretty amazing episode. There's a feeling of real hard won affection between the characters, and David Hyde Pierce is absolutely amazing. Frasier is on holiday.

haha that one was good

the innuendos just get better and better

Checked Kelsey Grammers wiki-page. Yeah, season 3, 95-96, seems to be the period where he kinda went off the rails. Honestly I was kinda surprised at the change, it felt as if everyone uses a lower tone of voice, and the stakes are much higher.

iirc, he was doing Down Periscope around the same time...wild times.

if 'niles and daphne have a segway for some reason' isn't tvtropes shorthand for a show's nadir, it should be

Checked Kelsey Grammers wiki-page

<3

Martin: Come on, they're great guys: Stinky, Wolfman, Boom-Boom, Jim. Of course, his name's not really Jim; we call him that because he likes to drink Jim Beam. Just like we call Hank “Bud” because he drinks Budweiser. Come on, you'd love these guys!
Niles: We're sherry drinkers, Dad. Think about it.

Martin earnestly trying to sell his sons on something there's no way they could possibly like is always great, even though it happens about 80 times over the course of the show and you'd think he'd learn better

Martins the shit

Rewatching too.

Hate how most of the one-off characters are so cliche, to the point that I sometimes think it must be deliberate.

Though I do really like the newspaper sales guy who dislikes Frasier from the Focus Group episode.

last half of season 6 dragged on a bit for me

season 7 starts off good -- where he dates his mom (e01) and where carlos and the chicken (e03) make fun of him are classic

I just rewatched "Ham Radio," where Frasier directs a radio mystery. Gil is such a great character.

Gil Chesterton: [Frasier is still casting for his radio play Nightmare Inn] Oh, Frasier. I've had a quick peek at your script and I think I'd be perfect as Bull Kragen, the brutish gamekeeper.

Frasier: You know, Gil. I think that's just a bit too on the nose.

haha ya that's the one i mentioned above

some time in the first season there's a line about him being straight and the delivery is perfect

This was season 5, but:

Roz: We thought Deb was your cat.

Gil Chesterson: She is not a cat! She is Mrs. Gilbert Leslie Chesterton, a Sarah Lawrence graduate, and the owner of a very successful auto body repair shop. Honestly, the conclusions people make, just because a man dresses well and knows how to use a pastry bag!
[he exits]

Frasier: Well, that's the first time I've ever seen a man "in" himself.

haha i remember that one too

Getting through season 8 was a struggle

Spoilers

Halfway through is when niles and daphne finally start dating and it turns a bit soap operay

Season 9 starts out a bit boring, but you can tell they're trying to do something new, with the creative episode (forget which ep#), and frasier thinking about all his past relationships

Martin still remains the elusive one, but what motivated me to post is s09e04 is when he starts his security job and starts thinking about the day he got shot. Out of all the backstories this one struck a chord, as he reminds me of my grandad

S09e05

There once was a man frasier crane
Who says he can feel your pain
But he acts like a snob
To the guys at his job
And i think he's totally lame

I love the Motor Skills ep in season 8

Slowing rewatching this and I'm in early season 9, too. Shocking what a self-serious slog this show became somewhere around season 8. I remember a dip in quality but I didn't remember it being this harsh

watched this episode recently:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_EqMG0t0vo6k/S8vhrIHgWjI/AAAAAAAAA6s/Av4Jb4aslaY/s1600/Ep28.jpg

decent enough early frasier.

Then i was on a plane and watched the episode "miss right now" from season 11 with jennifer tilly in it and it was god awful. daphne and niels together. frasier being emo about his love-life etc.

the first half of season 9 david hyde pierce (niles) has some major problems staying in character

he goes in and out of his mid-atlantic accent a lot and it's bizarre watching him just totally slack off as an actor

the dip into series 10 is especially stark because it's suddenly in hd. the pacing plummets just as the picture gets crisp, so you can really see those phoned-in performances in exquisite detail.

oh and frasiers ex with the man voice always wearing really REALLY short dresses was kind of wrong too.

lilith is hot as hell, hush your mouth

Angell and his wife, Lynn, were among the passengers of American Airlines Flight 11 killed in the September 11 attacks when the plane was hijacked by members of Al Qaeda and flown into the North Tower of the World Trade Center in New York City in 2001.[1][4][5]

Coincidentally, a 1997 episode of Frasier titled "Odd Man Out" of season 4 episode 24 (an episode which Angell co-wrote) features a woman's voice, Linda Hamilton, on Dr. Frasier Crane's answering machine stating she will arrive into Sea-Tac Airport, though she does not actually say Sea-Tac airport, on American Airlines' Flight 11. The episode was first broadcast on May 27, 1997: 4 years and 3 months later, Angell and his wife perished aboard that same flight. Eerily, in the same episode a couple getting engaged in the same restaurant in which Frasier is dining alone, the man says to his fiancée that if they ever should die he hopes that it's at the same time so they wouldn't have to be apart.

That's horrible

Feel like seasons 2-4ish were the golden years? Just a feeling bc ive not rewatched them since this second time

S09e16 was a good ep after a while. Second half of s08 and first half of s09 are really bad but it's picking up steam again

Anyway this is the one where michael keaton guest stars as an invalid and after a life of decadence and charlatanry becomes a tv evangelist like persona. Probably one of the best episodes of the show

Season 1 is different, but really good in it's own way, imo. To me the golden years are 1-5 and the end is when the season finale for 5 for the first time ends on a cliffhanger. After that, it's much more broadly glotbased, and less about mood and character.

I enjoyed Frasier, but Cheers was so far superior a show.

keaton one was all time, def

Just watched that one too. That bit where Frasier stands up bleating like a sheep, haha

the dip into series 10 is especially stark because it's suddenly in hd. the pacing plummets just as the picture gets crisp, so you can really see those phoned-in performances in exquisite detail.

― early morning reverse rumplestiltskin rage (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, May 4, 2017 3:55 PM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

holy crap is this ever true

and zooey deschanel as early 2000s hipster/ilxor makes her debut as jen in s10e04

i would say her acting is off if it wasn't for her recognizable ironic/deadpan persona she likes to put on

still needed a bit of work in those early days but she's just about got it

S10e14, 15 and 16 are the only real good ones this season

Some good parts throughout

E12 or 13 might've been good too i last track (and 14 might not have been that good)

On e18 and it's they're revisiting the fancy french bakery and the crane bros are after smuggled beluga caviar

So so

S10e20

Not even Elvis costello (and john hannah) could save this one

or Matt Besser

(although I liked that scene)

Haha that's true

Only the short, understated performances are good now

watching frasier stoned and it occurs to me that the actors playing martin, niles, bulldog, and, the only one playing a gay character - gil are all gay

the guy who plays gil is also charles pahluniak's literary agent

Gil's not gay (or is at least closeted as he has a wife).

(copied from upthread a bit)

Roz: We thought Deb was your cat.

Gil Chesterson: She is not a cat! She is Mrs. Gilbert Leslie Chesterton, a Sarah Lawrence graduate, and the owner of a very successful auto body repair shop. Honestly, the conclusions people make, just because a man dresses well and knows how to use a pastry bag!
[he exits]

Frasier: Well, that's the first time I've ever seen a man "in" himself.

yeah, i seem to remember a piece back in the day remarking that the only (then-outed) gay actor on the cast was the one who played the most testosterone-heavy hetero-sex-pest. is john mahoney officially out? i know he's historically played his cards close to his chest, as far as his private life.

I'm surprised he didn't offer to help Daphne's brother with his Mancunian accent. And Daphne, for that matter.

Ailsa later in the show - seasons after the supposed revelation that he has a wife - it is heavily and unambiguously implied that Gil is actually gay.

I was shocked when I found out Jane Leeves was actually English considering how false her accent sounds.

Gil was so so gay. He even snuck into a gay bar at the end of one episode.

I thought he didn't actually go to the gay bar, it was just a comical misunderstanding to add to all the "lol Gil's so gay" thing. I mean, clearly he's gay but it's never actually stated despite all the heavy-handed pointers. I like to think there's an alternate sitcom spin-off universe in which stereotypically gay female mechanic Deb Chesterton is caught up in all these comical misunderstandings as well.

^^The Frasier fanfic guy probably has 20 seasons of that somewhere.

don't really care to speculate too much but only david hyde pierce and dan butler have come out

in the 90s there was a lot of speculation though

bear in mind that one of the high points in the show was when they were making fun of how supposedly straight men were doing the most stereotypically gay things, specifically as martin reestablished his relationship with frasier and his friends/acquaintances

the whole joke about gil is that he is the only one who feels the need to actually show he is straight and explicitly says he does things a stereotypically straight man would do but the punchlines are the small details or actions that out him as extremely feminine

roz is the male version of a "pig," probably preempting the whole bitch/new feminism culture popular years later

still on season nine of this, and it bounced back a bit. Comedy is snappier.

Seems like in its later seasons this was still good, except for anything having to do with a romantic relationship. All those plots are humorless slogs, yet the show committed more and more time to them

I'm surprised he didn't offer to help Daphne's brother with his Mancunian accent. And Daphne, for that matter.

― Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Sunday, May 28, 2017 4:12 AM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that's because he is not capable of it anymore

he said he purposely tried to lose his accent in the 80s i believe and he never spoke in it even in the 90s

apparently it was because he wanted to blend into american society. i understand that. it's a survival instinct. just like how canadians start speaking like americans when they come to the US

his is more of an extreme case but probably has to do with him being in the US military too

daphne not having a manchester accent is weird in the first few years, but later a lot of people lose a lot of the distinctive features of their original accent if they live outside their native country

xp

ya it goes through more ups and downs past season 8

i'm in s11e08 i think

so far only two really good episodes and they were much in the style of the early years

Gainsbarre

big part of the decline on this show is b/c Niles and Daphne make a horrible couple. Very little chemistry, beyond Niles repeatedly saying they have chemistry. I wonder if the writers were ever tempted to undo their coupling and just act like it never happened, like Frasier/Roz. The show invested so much in their relationship and then had so little payoff for it

it didn't help that daphne was such a shit to niles towards the end

daphne not having a manchester accent is weird in the first few years, but later a lot of people lose a lot of the distinctive features of their original accent if they live outside their native country

It's more that it's not a very good Manchester accent - though at least it sounds Northern English and not Australo-Cockernee.

off topic? but they just showed the "gay" episode of Cheers oh boy that's a good one.

I think a best subplot would have been for Niles and Frasier to construct some sort of balloon traveler and travel the world with their dad in his hilarious shitty chair

S11e12

Gil: And a duck confit that's as rich as Donald Trump and twice as greasy

It may be the gulfs will wash us down
It may be we shall touch the happy isles
And though we are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and heaven
That which we are we are
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find and not to yield

you reached the end of your quest?

there's no way i could make it through this series - when it was on originally i gave up around the time niles and daphne got together, which i now realise is only a little over half way into the series - which perturbs me) but ive watched the first two seasons in the last few weeks

ya

i stand by what i said but basically seasons 2-5 were really good (1 was good too but i feel like they were just getting started)

6 was good too but not as solid

7 started getting bad

there was a dramatic drop off in quality by 8

10 and 11 are pretty bad but i stuck with it, sometimes dozing off/falling asleep during a few episodes

I always felt (and have probs expressed in this thread already) that Cheers was a sharper, warmer, more nuanced show

The problem with this show imo is that the repartee is near untouchable but I can't bear the farce

I like the farce! I thought I would hate it but it always won me over. Except the camping at the cabin one.
Worst bits for me are bulldog and Daphne's family

"The Two Mrs. Cranes," the farce where Daphne is pretending to be married to Niles, is one of my favorites. Especially when Martin willfully sabotages the whole charade by claiming to be an astronaut.

OMG, Daphne's ex-boyfriend's accent.

Just started rewatching this from episode one after finishing Cheers, and it’s such a jarring, unwelcome transition. It’s impressive how quickly the show distanced itself from its predecessor, but the changes to Frasier’s character and temperament are so harsh. Weird to imagine what viewers must have thought at the time

I WAS DISAPPOINTED TBH

I grew to like it. But I think it's aged worse than Cheers - or, perhaps, it perfectly nails an unlikeable character I no longer enjoy spending time with.

Unlikeable characters. Apart from his dad.

and Roz

That's true, I loved Martin and Roz (who has had some SEVERE work done, going by her appearance in the fourth season of Broad City)

I grew to like it. But I think it's aged worse than Cheers - or, perhaps, it perfectly nails an unlikeable character I no longer enjoy spending time with.

Ha, yes! The truth of Grammer's character stains Frasier somewhat (also he reminds me of my stepdad)

for me it’s mainly grammer’s astonishing collection of bald-man mullets throughout the run which makes the show hard to watch whenever i run across an episode now

i feel i have perhaps shared this to this thread before but

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXceET3-awc

i think for me part of the reason that cheers has aged so much better than frasier is that cheers’ working-class milieu still feels eminently relatable while frasier and niles’ brittle, neurotic upwardly-mobile world seems further away than ever

in cheers, diane is forever the odd one out while in frasier it’s martin, and that feels significant

In Frasier, though, there's still the sense that Martin is down to Earth and possessed of common sense, while Diane is odd one out to the bar and also the audience.

I love that in Cheers, literally every character can be the butt of a joke and then, in a later scene, be laughing (with the audience) at another character. Woody can be the dumb hayseed but also the wise country kid seeing through Diane or Frasier's pretentions.

yeah that’s def why cheers is one of the greatest of all time - all the characters have multiple dimensions and they all play off each other in endlessly interesting ways

god i love that show

i rewatched all of frasier over the last 9 months. it was pretty heavy going at times, season 7 and after are excruciatingly bad at times, though with a little bit of an upward trend in quality in the last 2 seasons (i think they changed show-runners or something).

i understand why they changed the character of frasier so much, they wanted to give the show a completely separate identity and they succeeded. it is a little jarring though. frasier's aversion to going anywhere blue-collar with his dad after spending a decade drinking in a bar doesn't make a ton of sense for instance (although they do have an episode where nostalgic for cheers frasier starts frequenting daphne's british local).

I've started rewatching cheers. only a few episodes in so far but i imagine it will be a more enjoyable endeavor.

Cheers has a bigger cast and no redundant characters, whereas Martin and Daphne are boring, and Roz doesn't get enough good material, so it's basically Frasier and Niles and that's it. Also Frasier feels very 90s whereas Cheers feels timeless. Also fuckin' Ted Danson and Shelley Long, man.

daphne is a bit of a dud of a character but i think martin and roz are good and have plenty of good material - though the jokes about roz's promiscuity get old fairly quickly, they do thankfully move away from that a little

never really got into cheers (went on far too long too)

liked frasier better for the most part

though i love ted dansen

he's probably one of the only older actors that can still make me laugh

whereas like i never want to see anyone from frasier do anything again

never really got into cheers (went on far too long too)

liked frasier better for the most part

If only Cheers had made exactly 11 fewer episodes it would have been okay

Martin is kinda the co-lead in season 1 for a while. Then Niles clearly becomes the breakout character. But to begin with, it's Frasier and Martin arguing, and then the son runs around and discusses his problems with a variety of supporting characters.

when things switch to niles and daphne everything just falls apart

and niles' acting pretty much tanked after season 7 or whatever it was

they get together at the end of 7 - which is a bad enough season on its own - the next couple of seasons are terrible.

my impression from the internet/Twitter/memes/Buzzfeed is that younger audiences are way more fired up about this show than Cheers. Which might just be an age thing (they were kids when it was on so they're nostalgic for it), but like do a search for Buzzfeed + Frasier and it's kind of astonishing how much millennial reverence there is for this show

cheers is practically prehistoric for young millennials tbh.

This is otm in my experience. Frasier one of those shows that everyone I know saw at least once in a while, like Friends or Seinfeld or Will & Grace. Cheers is like the Cosby Show or All In the Family, not something you'd see.

i mean it's subjective but cheers just feels from a completely different time to me and i'm not exactly young anymore

millennial Frasier reverence seems like a combination of semi-ironic, mofo w/some dark secrets type stuff and genuine affection for the show? Frasier Crane more relatable to a specific millennial self-image than rest of the Cheers gang - he's over-educated and self-analytical but still hapless weirdo, and his minor celebrity and obsession with how he comes across to his audience makes is like a 90s version of mid-level social media fame

that's brilliant and probably spot on soref

he's also always horny and lonely which i think people online can relate with

that's a good explanation of it soref

he and Niles are both kind of stuck in a permanent adolescence, have never really become 'proper' adults like Martin, which feels like another bit of millennial angst (and adults tend revert back to their childhood self in some ways when around parents and siblings, so the fact he's always with Martin and Niles accentuates this?)

not sure i agree with that completely

iirc they blame martin for almost all their shortcomings in the first 2/3 of the entire show?

martin comments on their being momma's boys so that seems pretty evident

the twist is that martin took some of the blame to cover up their mom's i guess let's call it failures

and the brothers see their father as a better parent and themselves as bad sons later on in the show

the comedic side to it is that they can't help from being a bunch of babies and seek complex explanations to problems martin ends up explaining simply but almost brutishly

millennial Frasier reverence seems like a combination of semi-ironic, mofo w/some dark secrets type stuff and genuine affection for the show? Frasier Crane more relatable to a specific millennial self-image than rest of the Cheers gang - he's over-educated and self-analytical but still hapless weirdo, and his minor celebrity and obsession with how he comes across to his audience makes is like a 90s version of mid-level social media fame

this is 10/10

def understand why Cheers might seem prehistoric to youngsters, am 42 and the show was just ending when I hit 17 or so. Thank god for Channel 4 reruns.

Frasier is a boomer sort, so are we saying it scans for milennials bcz this is what their dreams might be? Steady well paid job, gorgeous flat, maid taking good care of parent, etc. I wouldn't say relatable.

Mainly due to this article which named it the best xmas special of all time, i watched the Miracle On 3rd Or 4th Street episode from Season 1 again a few weeks back; still one of the very best sitcom things i've ever seen, not a syllable out of place.

http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/christmas/38292/top-100-christmas-tv-episodes-of-all-time-20-1

please to have a top ten sitcoms that never featured an xmas episode but should have. My number one would be Young Ones.

Fawlty Towers

Thread inspired I've been going through some of the higher rated ones (seen the complete show quite some time ago). They really hold up great. When they were good, they were really, really good.

I toyed with the idea of rating every single episode but that’s just a whole other level of commitment i wasn’t willing to take on

I usually don’t like (TV) shows anyway so

I recently rewatched the Patrick Stewart episode - it's another variation on the "everyone thinks Frasier is gay" gag - it's a really funny episode, about gay panic without succumbing to it.

Also watched the Michael Keaton story (conman in a wheelchair) which was a little lame.

Seasons 1 to 3 are mostly classic. Tailed off badly after that and a lot of it is unwatchable (given what came before).

xp yeah that's a fantastic ep with Stewart

I watched all of them a couple of years ago and can't remember the Patrick Stewart one or the Christmas one!

there's a christmas episode in most seasons of frasier.

there is also a millennium episode (where martin keeps quoting austin powers)

Also watched the Michael Keaton story (conman in a wheelchair) which was a little lame.

ISWYDT

thinking of big name guest stars, I love the one with Derek Jacobi as the hammy Shakespearean actor (that from pretty late in the shows run as well iirc?)

yeah, season 8 iirc.

(conman in a wheelchair)

"Her lips said No, but her eyes said read my lips"

Just started rewatching this from episode one after finishing Cheers, and it’s such a jarring, unwelcome transition. It’s impressive how quickly the show distanced itself from its predecessor, but the changes to Frasier’s character and temperament are so harsh. Weird to imagine what viewers must have thought at the time

― Evan R, Monday, January 8, 2018 8:06 PM (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is pretty much OTM. I watched Cheers while it was airing (old) and tried Frasier for a while but it just felt like a wan and overly-manic AfterCheers to me.

Also the cultural products of one's childhood and adolescence will always be the best and most important so there's really nothing to be gained from arguing these things with someone from a different generation, I find.

Which is to say it's only right and natural that millennials prefer Frasier to Cheers.

(Millennials, let me know if you need me to explain what AfterCheers is in reference to.)

did anybody ever actually watch this? i only heard of it recently via AV Club.

https://flashbak.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/TV-Guide-Advert-8.jpg

Afterglow?

picesx got it. And given that it lasted two seasons and there were only three things to watch on TV at the time, I guess people must have watched it.

The decision has been made to cancel AfterM*A*S*H after the most recent episode was viewed by a paltry 63 million people.

Was the Radar pilot ever screened? I feel like I watched it on a dodgy realplayer stream from a MASH fan-site one time in the 90s, but perhaps I am imagining things.

Wow, I had no idea that was a thing. And it's apparently not even called Radar but rather W*A*L*T*E*R. It's a shame that the non-Trapper John spin-offs tanked and we never got to see H*A*W*K*E*Y*E*P*I*E*R*C*E.

http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/uploads/JoshGoldberg/2011-08-10_111850_aftermashresized.png

I pity the fool...

why am I legally allowed near photoshop pic.twitter.com/9L3WZvy0pU

— Goth Ms. Frizzle (@spookperson) June 16, 2018

also here’s a frasier script I wrote where he and niles are inspired by hannibal lecter to try cannibalismhttps://t.co/PMWDPgPiyF

— Ben Rosen (@ben_rosen) June 17, 2020

Lol Bishop Brennan out of Father Ted just popped up in a one line role as a waiter in some Gentleman's Club

My bad, he got a second line

yeah I know the scene, was a bit shocked myself.

Frasier's nightmare pic.twitter.com/5ScqBpdGJG

— Baal Til You Fall (@coffinzone) September 15, 2021

My favorite Frasier bit is where he unwittingly recites the bracha in Klingon at his kid's bar mitzvah.

Some one left the complete Frazier on dvd out on the street with the trash

I'll bet it was that contemptible Cam Winston

My fave episodes:

Caviar episode
Where Frasier and Niles find an old skull and mistakenly believe foul play
Frasier and Niles take a motor school class
Frasier writes a jingle for his show
Frasier and Niles get a free spa session and become obsessed with getting higher access

Fravatar pic.twitter.com/e5AAjPVNQH

— Ben Rosen (@ben_rosen) December 1, 2022

I prefer Jodorowsky's Frasier:

Many of you sent me that spectacular AI art of "Jodorowsky's TRON." I felt inspired to take a stab at the concept with some other properties. Step into a dark portrait of the human psyche in...

Jodorowsky's FRASIER pic.twitter.com/EfqBY7UBPu

— Rob Sheridan (Parody) (@rob_sheridan) November 29, 2022

Cor blimey

Frasier’ Sequel Series at Paramount+ Casts Nicholas Lyndhurst

First pic of Nicholas Lyndhurst in the Frasier reboot pic.twitter.com/PLSOdjR84n

— hoskas (@hoskas) August 22, 2023

Blimey.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytRUZi9geSE

missed opportunity to turn the frasier theme into another dramatic half-time plinky piano thing with moody shots of niles glaring into the distance imo

My fave episodes:

Caviar episode
Where Frasier and Niles find an old skull and mistakenly believe foul play
Frasier and Niles take a motor school class
Frasier writes a jingle for his show
Frasier and Niles get a free spa session and become obsessed with getting higher access

― Sorry, but that is how I feel (Ste), Saturday, September 25, 2021 1:05 PM bookmarkflaglink

spa ep is wonderful: "be my eyes, frasier"

i'm def a frasier millennial sigh. some faves:

frasier and niles want to join a spa
frasier and niles want to join a club
frasier and niles both want to be elected "corkmaster"
frasier and niles go christmas shopping
niles suspects maris of having an affair with her fencing instructor
niles hosts a society party but there is a dead seal on the beach
niles hosts a society party but there is a cockatoo on his head
frasier stages a radio play
frasier and bebe host a morning show
frasier acquires a reputation as a tough guy
frasier endorses a political candidate
frasier believes he has solved his dad's decades-old cold case
frasier cannot accept that his dad is a better chess player than him
frasier cannot accept that tony shalhoub dislikes him
no one believes frasier is dating a supermodel zoologist
farce in ski lodge
farce on cruise ship
farce in bora bora (ft. lilith)
frasier crane day

the radio play episode was weird to watch as a teenager as radio plays have never gone away in the UK

i love the spa one and the farces, which I normally can't stand. not watched them since I was at home with my eldest when he was a baby, so about 8-9 years

-- actually, this is not without precedent. when he was 10, he forged letters from leonard bernstein and told everyone they were pen pals.

-- oh yeah.

-- he'd come bounding up the stairs: "got another one from lenny!" we were all agog! UNTIL mr. bernstein wrote that his broadway debut was "candide" when everyone knows that it was "on the town". that's when we knew it was a fake!

-- the sloppy kid lettering was also a clue.

Same Frasier. New Skyline. The first two episodes of #Frasier premiere Thursday, Oct. 12 exclusively on #ParamountPlus pic.twitter.com/xIl41160hk

— Paramount+ (@paramountplus) September 14, 2023

nothing here that's particularly hilarious, but it's not obviously terrible either? Them doing the strained father-son relationship from the original series but with Frasier as the father this time seems like it could work as a concept.

A lot of the humour in the original comes from how people tend to revert to their childhood role when around their parents and siblings no matter how old they get, so it's funny to see this fancy, educated guy bickering with his brother and his dad - I think Nicholas Lyndhurst is supposed to be an old contemporary of Frasier's from college who he reconnects with, so I guess he is taking on the role of the person who new Frasier before he was 'fully-formed', who can undermine him because he knows him to well, can see past the image he's carefully trying to project?

Would watch this if it was on any of the streaming apps I'm subbed to but no

I didn't hate the preview clip. "Amalgamated with the hoi polloi" is classic Frasier pomposity.

on the bright side, this will keep Kelsey Grammer contained to a soundstage for part of the day/year

FRAZOR: Frasier with a Razor. Rated X. pic.twitter.com/HxMB2R5Txv

— Lukey McGarry (@lukeymcgarry) September 13, 2023