Defend the Indefensible: "Reality Bites"

All that needed to be said, really.

step 1 - never shower
step 2 - grow a goatee
step 3 - play Violent Femmes cover songs in a vaguely threatening fashion to girls who won't sleep with me
step 4 - wait for close relative to die
step 5 - finally get with with easily impressed Winona Ryder

step 1 - never shower
step 2 - grow a goatee
step 3 - play Violent Femmes cover songs in a vaguely threatening fashion to girls who won't sleep with me
step 4 - wait for close relative to die
step 5 - finally get with easily impressed Winona Ryder

Sean, see S.F.W. for pain. Pain, pain, pain.

It might be the movie that made me hate him, because I remember watching the Ben Stiller Show. I've never watched Dead Poets Society the same way since, either, cause when Ethan Hawke shows up being all blinky and timid, I just think, "Yeah, you know, maybe the whole 'teachers feel feelings' thing doesn't work and Robin Williams SHOULD be fired, because you grow up to be a fuck."

"Guys? Guys? If you think this shit on a platter smells bad, you obviously haven't left it out in in your living room for a few days!"

Man, I'm sorry, I was hoping that was a private pain.

peace out.

- a decent ability to suggest a futuristic industrial landscape via only a few murky city shots
- Asia Argento topless

that's all I got, really.

that line cracks me up every time. The only good thing about SFW.

He made one too many Backdrafts and one too many Edie and Pens, I think, but yeah, he stole some scenes in TD.

On the bad movie thing, since I'm soooo doped up and can't keep track or be bothered to find a different thread, I saw Le Divorce this weekend and I think I hate Kate Hudson, Naomi Watts, blondes, women, and the French as a result.

You fucking chunky pumpkin head.

Gregg Araki NOOOOOO.

(He's actually a pretty good music critic, though. Or so I thought in the late eighties.)

I liked Kate Hudson in Almost Famous; everything since then has been ... first perplexing, and now downright offensive in its badness. (Le Divorce is full of lines that you'd swear could only possibly be meant ironically, and they'd still suck, only they're not ironic at all.)

Empire Records is bullllshit.

Warren: Why don't you shove them up your ass?

Lucas: Because that would hurt a lot, Warren.

Agreed!

Richard Linklater is obviously a genius - he's managed to create two great movies (Before Sunrise and Tape) starring Ethan Hawke. That's a miracle.

Empire Records is good - it doesn't take itself seriously at all, how can you compare it to Reality Bites. And ER has Liv Tyler stripping to Throwing Muses, who can argue with that. Clueless is just great all the way around.

Doom Generation makes Reality Bites look like Citizen Kane for fuck's sake. Kicking and Screaming is terrible, Love and a .45 is bad in every way.

I enjoyed Love and a 45 at the time too.

But Slacker, Dazed and Confused, and Waking Life are all overrated. School of Rock was fun, I guess, but not especially remarkable.

But there's no way Dazed & Confused is overrated - most people just write it off as a stoner movie.

i have nothing +ve to say about Reality Bites

(xpost)

'Alright fine, you wanna be in a band, fine. Go ahead. Play every night. Play three times a night! Don't just dick around the same coffee house for five years. Don't dick around with her or with me. I mean try at something for once in your life, do something about it. But you know what? You better do it now and you better do it fast because the world doesn't owe you any favors.'

o wot a square, he said 'glitch'!

1) In spite of some good moments, it was GAWWWDawful.

2) The overarching *IRONY* was that the whole movie felt like it was produced by the putzes that ran the In Your Face channel (or is that the idea, wink wink)

3) But the worst thing about watching it was trying to convince my girlfriend that having gotten good grades in college and now feeling ambivalent about the working world makes her similar to Wynona Rider's character only about as much as it makes her similar to A MILLION OTHER PEOPLE. (She's usually really fucking intelligent, honest.)

The defense rests.

jaymc OTM, btw. I was like, "What fucking university was she valedictorian of?"

Some unverifiable gossip from me:
When they were first casting Before Sunrise, the rumor around Austin was that David Thewlis was gonna be the leading man. Man, that would have been a whole different movie!

I used to really like Janeane Garofalo when she was just doing standup. I think the tide started to turn when, after The Truth About Cats And Dogs came out, I was staying at a groovy LA hotel for a friend's wedding and it turned out she was staying there too. I saw her standing there complaining to the concierge or one of his helpers "It's not the movie I would have chosen to be my first" or something like this. This was my first inkling that she was going to make a career out of being the Woman Who Hates Hollywood.

My friend and I looked at one another, shrugged, and turned around and left.

also fuck this movie for assisting the impression that every emaciated fuckwad with a) anger management issues, b) a stringy goatee, c) rudimentary guitar skills, and d) the occasional "life is sort of crazy" phrase accompanied by a faraway, deep look is some sort of charismatic shaman.

xpost -- OTM. The funniest part is, that isn't even one of the more memorable lines from the movie, and it's the kind of line that might as well be from ANY movie.

I did like Singles.

a couple of years ago a friend of mine invited me to a party he was going to. he picked me up and we drove to a house in Silver Lake. We walked around back and into the back yard. There was a porch that required us to climb up some steps, to where we saw a handful of smokers outside chattering away. We reached the steps and we heard a guy say, "Coffee and smokes, man, that's all I need." A girl replied, "Reality Bites, right?" He replied, "Yes!" She said, "AWEsome..." Another guy chimed in, "Fuckin' great movie, dude." And all three said, "Yeah, seriously."

My friend and I looked at one another, shrugged, and turned around and left.

"A good review for us...is a good review for you!"

Wow. It really is something you watch at age 21 and think you can relate to. Then you watch it a decade later and think, "Who are these pretentious, self-absorbed assmonkeys?" And then you think, "Oh, wait, I *WAS* one of those pretentious, self-absorbed assmonkeys."

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Roger Ebert's incredible skewering of this movie - highly recommended even if you're not a fan of his:

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19940218/REVIEWS/402180303/1023

Ebert's always good for pithy witticisms - in general I like him.

Bah, xpost. But it is a perfect line.

Winona is hot as hell, though.

200 cigarettes was harmless and dumb though, unless I'm grossly mistaken

Cyanide isn't the only ingredient in that rat poison.
-- El Diablo Robotico (nicolew1...), April 6th, 2004.

I am CRYING.

My friend and I looked at one another, shrugged, and turned around and left.

Ha, it's just like that Volkswagen Pink Moon commercial.

A-plus shinola

Can't wait for the 90s Revival...not!!

was winona ryder in even one good movie after "heathers"?

i have never seen this and never intend to.

I was getting ready to defend post-"Heathers" Winona but Alien: Resurrection really is the only good movie she's done since then. (Night On Earth is okayish, I haven't seen Mermaids and don't care about Edward Scissorhands either way.)

was winona ryder in even one good movie after "heathers"?

I'll stand up for A Scanner Darkly

I was about to say Night on Earth, but her segment is the least entertaining in the whole film.

i haven't seen Reality Bites, but it's got to be a better "LOL 90'S" movie than Empire Records

empire records didn't take itself nearly so seriously, did it?

i dunno i just remembering hating hating hating hating it and all the stupid people who liked it. also, the soundtrack.

i pretty much loved most of the 90s gen-x films, no matter how crap they were.

was clueless a gen-x film or were the characters too young?

too young and not at all gen-x anyway! like as if.

prescient "gen-y" (ugh) film?

"film"

ehhh... it's just a really good teen movie.

i'm just thinking the ubiquity of cell phones (a rarer thing among teens in the mid-90s, but all over this flick) and the reliance on constant contact.

is that a gen-y thing?

purely antecdotal, but every coworker/extended family member/sibling of mine that's under the age of 19 prefers texting to calling and always has a phone in their hands.

Why did I dig up this thread last night? Oh yeah, the Heidegger thread.

Defense: this movie remains a glimpse into the alternate reality where Janeane Garofalo has a steady sarcastic-friend gig in romantic comedies, and that would be a good reality.

was winona ryder in even one good movie after "heathers"?

MR. DEEDS

(alright, I'm joking!)

Uncool, but Little Women.

You know it occurs to me after reading this thread that there is actually one good scene in this movie--the dialogue-free montage scene where Ryder runs around paying for for other people's fillups on her gas card in exchange for cash. It's about a minute long, I think.

Defense: this movie remains a glimpse into the alternate reality where Janeane Garofalo has a steady sarcastic-friend gig in romantic comedies, and that would be a good reality.

-- Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, January 5, 2008 3:47 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

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http://www.laweekly.com/2012-01-05/film-tv/reality-bites-sundance-ben-stiller/

Also, lol at sean for the movie was like the visual equivalent of Jeff Gomez' Our Noise

oh man: "ambitious showbiz brat who would end up giving the world banal blockbusters like Zoolander and Tropic Thunder". this is some nplusone^2 level missing-the-point.

which i suppose is n^2 + 2n + 1

Jelle_1979 3 weeks ago
Say what you will, Reality Bites had a terrific soundtrack with Lisa Loeb and her breakthru hit 'Stay', Crowded House, U2, The Knack, World Party, Squeeze, The Posies, Dinosaur Jr, Lenny Kravitz and Big Mountain with their version of 'Baby I love your way'.

lol i dont remember the sndtrk but that sounds like torture

That jerk left out the real highlight which was clearly Ethan Hawke doing "Add it Up" or his original effort "I'm Nothing". lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=socgqxp0Uxs&feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbO1qC7EsVI

loooooool "i'm nothing"

"i aint' no republicrat i ain't no democan i ain't nothin' in between" iirc

Yep. There was a time when I knew all the words. So shameful.

Hey, that's my bike!

omg HS was the next line - I'm the ultra modern version the American dreeeam . . . ? WHY DO I STILL REMEMBER THAT?

i was just thinking, why do i remember nearly everything about this dumb movie?

i think that was the next line!

the lesson i learned from this movie is you can say anything you want to a girl and she'll forgive you if a relative of yours dies.

lol

Have a 'tude, wiener dude.

the lesson i learned from this movie is you can say anything you want to a girl and she'll forgive you if a relative of yours dies.

― omar little, Sunday, February 12, 2012 4:39 PM (57 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that is the one thing i still think is sort of interesting about this movie, like ben stiller directed it and created this over-the-top asshole ethan hawke character and cast himself as the non-asshole and then had the girl get with the asshole at the end in a genuinely happy-ending way...i don't know what that's about really, but it *makes me think* for some reason.

I like to hope he stopped being an asshole after that? Like when he shows back at her place after his dad died and says he has some kind of revelation or whatever.

I haven't seen it in a long time though so I might feel differently if I watched it now.

Really wish Leilana or whatever Winona Ryder's character's called had come home from an awesome date with Stiller and found Steve Zahn curled up with a distracted, scowling Hawke.

I must have been 20 when I saw this piece of crap at an empty cinema and when the lights came up all the other people there were 12 year old girls and one of them looked at me trying to sneak out unnoticed and her and her friends laughed and sneered at my corderoys and messy hair and my generation.

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 06:38 (5 years ago)

a+

whispers *I still kinda like this movie*

and I will never not lol at Winona's bra-less, doily-dress boobs looking like puppies under a blanket as she storms out of the screening.

Yeah, that outfit was a disaster.

that dress was like my nanna's good Christmas tablecloth

Vintage Stiller Interview uploaded in advance of this weekend's MFAH screenings.

Didn't know they only did 10 days in Houston; explains why there are so few recognizable locales in comparison to, say, Rushmore.

lol the revelation that the same guy produced The Big Chill, Reality Bites and Garden State is so perfect

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hee hee

after surprisingly being blown away by a friend singing Lisa Loeb "Stay" at a karaoke bar in the village last night, i have decided that i have no critical distance from this movie and possibly none re: the year 1994 either.

and I will never not lol at Winona's bra-less, doily-dress boobs looking like puppies under a blanket as she storms out of the screening.

― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, February 12, 2012 4:43 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, that outfit was a disaster.

― wolf kabob (ENBB), Sunday, February 12, 2012 5:20 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

All right, ladies, y'all are straight. We get it.

blanket puppies

Doily Dolls.

I must have been 20 when I saw this piece of crap at an empty cinema and when the lights came up all the other people there were 12 year old girls and one of them looked at me trying to sneak out unnoticed and her and her friends laughed and sneered at my corderoys and messy hair and my generation.

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 06:38 (5 years ago)

what a post

I might sneer at corduroys and messy hair too tbh

wow, watching this now for first time since i saw it opening weekend in the theater. recalled it as being awful, curious what it looked like in 2012, winona is at her maximum hotness arguably, what i'm gonna stream bela tarr over netflix, etc.

it is so so so so much worse than i remembered.

this movie is terrible but i'd probably watch it again for winona, tbh.

One thing I remember from the rep screening (aside from the doily boobs) was that the audience loved Garofalo. If she'd actually gotten HIV, the aisles would have been flooded w/tears.

the specter of AIDS truly haunted the narrative for those thirty seconds.

...as did Steve Zahn's homosexuality for an unrelated 30 seconds.

yeah the aids 'storyline' was hilarious 'this is a thing OUR GENERATION goes thru. when we're not jamming to world party and squeeze.', but the 'eh, so i guess i'm gay, that's my arc i guess' blip for steve zahn was great too.

but ethan hawke was hella cute back then and winona had those mad swingin boobs in her doily dress so JUST BACK OFF A LITTLE WHYDONTCHA

Ethan Hawke probably smelled of BO.

a lot of cuet boys did back then. grunge was taken way too literally.

Should see this again, me.

Never saw the appeal of Ethan Hawke, there's just something a little too ratlike about him.

He was my first and biggest actor crush circa lol Dead Poets' and for years after that. Def when RB first came out. I still think he's a great actor and love him in certain stuff but he did not age well at all. Sadly. He was on some talk show last week and they played one of Hey! That's my Bike!'s songs from RB. It LOL'd.

I even read his fucking book and kind of liked it. :/

yeah I still have the ghost of a crush on him from all those years ago -- he's not as cuet these days, and I realize now he kinda came of way more dickish than I realized back then but yeah, goddammit he was supercrushworthy in high school.

He was! He just went downhill real fast. He's too gaunt and has jacked up teeth or something now. I makes me sad because man alive was he something at one point.

I bet I could still quote this movie almost word for word. OK, I should shut up before I further incriminate myself.

also I know this is way dumb and I don't usually pay attention but I was kind of bummed at him for the Uma breakup, he seemed like more of an irl douchebag than I realized, lol

god I'm so embarrassed to even say that outloud, like I'm some People-magazine-reading motherfucker

Yeah, he's almost certainly a giant douche.

and I'm with you on the sunken face. it's like he got meth-mouth or something, he looks v sunken

Yeah! It's not just that he's very thin - it's something else that I've never been able to place.

ixnay on the awkehay alktay

i need to save at least some remaining face

;)

lol gotcha

remember happier timez

http://www.nndb.com/people/884/000025809/eh-225314.jpg

I was appalled all the way through the film, but when Ethan Hawke got to the third verse of "Add It Up" and left out the "fuck" ("why can't I get just one ....? why can't I get just one ....?"), that pushed it over the edge. I knew I was in the presence of truly epochal awfulness.
I did like Singles.

― mike a, Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:59 AM (8 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^ good sense, all of this.

back in '94, i was sensible enough to get the fuck up & walk out right after "add it up." my innate sense was that it wasn't gonna get better at that point and could get much worse.

i sat through it this time, and i was definitely more sensible in 1994 than i am in 2013.

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never seen this movie, but tapestry vests 4 life

i didn't realize/care enough back in 1994, but i just realized that this movie was set in Houston. this movie would have been much improved if the Geto Boys had shown up and re-enacted one of their songs (maybe "mind of a lunatic") using the characters as their victims.

I dug this at the time, but am psyched to go on Netflix tonight and discover it was actually terrible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=socgqxp0Uxs

it's also fun to imagine that Steve Zahn's character in Treme is the same character as his character in Reality Bites only ten years older (and just as "gay" as he was in Reality Bites).

The funniest thing about this movie being set in Houston is the idea that the fake MTV channel is headquartered here. Although considering how briefly entrenched the real thing got in Austin just a few years later, was it merely prophetic?

In the meantime...

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lol @ treatment of the Steve Zahn "gay" character

This has been on TV constantly lately. I've watched it like 5 times. I am not ashamed.

it's no empire records, amirite?!?

Shut up, T.

DON'T BRING EMPIRE RECORDS INTO THIS AND NO I WAS NOT LISTENING TO THE SNDTRK JUST EARLIER THIS MORNING

(I totally was. OK, now I am ashamed.)

who'd win in a fight ... ethan hawke's reality bites character or ethan embry's character in empire records?!?

(i like empire records, FTR)

Oh God Troy v. Mark?!

ethan padgett's character on ILM.

Mark smoked a lot of weed so probably Troy, I think.

Also, can we just talk about the fact that Ethan Embry was so promising in the cute/handsome stakes early on and that whole thing just did not work out for him as an adult. At all.

ethan embry is apparently awesome in that one film i've mentioned a few times on FB fwiw....

EE is in the babby movie?

^_^

i just realized that ethan embry was in (a) harold and kumar go to white castle and (b) eagle eye (w/ lol Shia LaBeouf).

babby movie just keeps sounding better and better :)

what is this babby movie in which Ethan Embry appears, btw?!?

"The ethan embryo"

haven't seen RB since '94, but I don't think it thought very well of its characters. No defense of EH doing "Add It Up" tho.

Caught it the other night after not having seen it in years. Is it weird/wrong that I have a mild affection for the film now that is almost solely based on allowing its (reasonably) attractive, young cast to worry about money? Was this the last mainstream Hollywood romcom where everyone on screen wasn't filthy (and inexplicably) rich?

pretty woman
you've got mail
notting hill
music and lyrics

all explicitly about class differences to some degree.

Good calls (though I'll have to take your word for it on NH, which I haven't seen); even though YGM essentially takes the side of the corporate behemoth, its still there.

Music and Lyrics is probably the only watchable Hollywood romcom of the last 10-15 years.

i really like music & lyrics

none of the characters in booty call are filthy rich iirc

They don't really worry about money though. Doesn't their main money-making venture involve reselling gas bought on their parent's credit cards?

Well, that was a solution to their money probs. The movie is still about people who worry about money.

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<3

there's an oral history for everything now:

http://www.hitfix.com/in-contention/20-years-later-an-oral-history-of-reality-bites

wow, i had no idea this was the first American film Emmanuel Lubezki shot.

When I read the screenwriter never had another film script produced, I thought "That would've never happened if she was a man," and "Rather just."

It only grossed $33 million tho.

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wow, i had no idea this was the first American film Emmanuel Lubezki shot.

Ha, yeah, I tweeted the same thing.

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al leong you are making my day with these gifs

http://showrenity.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/tumblr_m8o46h5bSj1qdoy3ao1_500.gif

http://swamplot.com/how-is-houstons-reality-bites-neighborhood-doing-20-years-on/2014-02-18/

http://jezebel.com/i-re-watched-reality-bites-and-its-basically-a-manual-1527955140/

everyone in this movie talks like the people in that ben stiller show dandruff shampoo sketch, but he actually made this movie and is proud of it, somehow

at least he didn't write it

This used to be my favourite film bitd, I blame being a late virgin. Awffffuullll.

ahem this is a DEFEND the indefensible thread. go peddle your hate speech somewhere else, raggett
>:(

From the Peter Travers thread:

You may think Reality Bites is just a bunch of white kids sitting around whining. If so, what's your glitch? It's also pure entertainment.

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, February 6, 2013 12:48 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Garofalo says in that article I posted that she never thought at the time it was a Gen X thing, cuz she's almost as old as I am.

She's three years younger than Rollins., born after JFK. It's not like I want to claim her, but I think she's ours.

Not sure how I would have felt about this when it came out--I was 32 at the time, so still not exactly its target audience. Today, I thought it was okay. Hawke is very good, even when the script isn't. Probably the most I've ever liked Winona Ryder. Garofalo, I'll take Larry Sanders. Stiller made me wince a few times. The music was surprisingly inconsequential.

I wanna tell you I hate this movie. Every day.

It festers in its sewer.

ENBB to thread so that we may FITE these evil poo poo-ers

Garofalo and Zahn much more appealing than putative stars

My opinion on this film tends to oscillate between mild approval and mild annoyance, depending on my mood, but it did inspire a terrific Siskel & Ebert review (not on YouTube at the moment, but available at this site, if you jump ahead 8 minutes into the video).

ilx acts like the content of this movie is some great affront to their own v serious 90’s aesthetic but the truth is Ethan Hawke was hot, the music was (mostly) great, Winona was cute, the end

buncha buzzkills

Ethan Hawke has the most punchable face in the world most days and it really hit a peak in this.

see this ^ is the kind of attitude i’m talking about

I was not old enough to have a serious '90s aesthetic, I just really can't stand Ethan Hawke's face even though I like some of his movies.

I remember making fun of this movie when I saw it in the theater. But it had Janeane Garofalo, who redeemed it. I think about it every time I fold sweaters.

lol otm re sweater folding

Reality Bites vs. Singles, fite!

y not both <3

Bring on another raking over the coals!

https://longreads.com/2018/03/27/youve-reached-the-winter-of-our-discontent/

2300 words is a "long read?"

You millennials with your 280 characters and your etc

I just read this entire thread again. I like how someone mentions David Spade as being in the movie.

I obviously have always had problems with how bad Ethan Hawke looks while kissing on screen.

I obviously have always had problems with how bad Ethan Hawke looks while kissing on screen.

Ha, I said he looks like he smells like a hairless cat on the Before Sunrise thread last week.

"you got time to lean, you got time to clean" - David Spade in Reality Bites may be my favorite thing he's ever done.

lotta dudes roll up itt to continually complain/whine/disparage Ethan and methinks the lads doth protest too much

Ethan is dreamy the end

So many problems with this movie but I still will watch it anytime it is on. I am only a tad bit embarrassed that I called Troy Dyer hot over a decade ago above.

Had a similar moment listening to the Spin Doctors in the car recently tbf

Generation X was a terrible mistake.

saw thread, came here to post this, but of course it was already covered 15 years ago:

Winona Ryder

― ModJ (ModJ), Monday, April 5, 2004 8:37 PM

I guess the owners didn't want any sweet Gen X Airbnb bux

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/trending/article/reality-bites-home-houston-demolition-permit-19385708.php

A demolition permit was taken out on the Houston fourplex at 409 W. Clay Street in the Montrose neighborhood, the city’s permitting center confirmed.

Each unit of the property has one bedroom, one bathroom, a living and dining room plus hardwood floors, according to Apartments.com.

A YouTube video of a walkthrough of the building on Thursday, showed the home in disarray with trash and debris scattered in multiple rooms, doors off their hinges, displaced furniture and even a cat tower left behind from the previous occupants. It's unclear when the residence will be demolished.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qp9riQGrRI

Would watch a split screen shot by shot reshoot of slacker then and now

There was a multi-director Slacker remake in 2011, and IIRC, they tried to match the locations.

A good chunk of the movie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aRmEhJZhjI

Thanks for that

True story (or so I've been told): Winona Ryder's character, Lelaina, was named after the future wife of a former ILX'or.

...and it's gone: https://www.reddit.com/r/houston/s/lqRzzW3MEB

Our long national nightmare is over.

It's totally Ethan Hawke's fault.

I'd rather blame Stiller.

For the movie that is.