Citizen Kane, then...

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Since Rosebud was invoked below and all. And also because at long last there's a DVD release -- having watched the film many times, I was truly enthralled by this, because the transfer is indeed *fantastic*. Astoundingly clear, and it could have been filmed yesterday for all that. Haven't even started looking through the bonus goodies yet, but that'll come later.

So -- greatest film of all time? Overrated horse-hockey? Somewhere in between?

Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

I thought it was pretty silly.

Pennysong Hanle y, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Not that this is a surprise, but o' course I lurv it, though I had the ending ruined when I was small thanks to all the references to it in _Peanuts_, Charles Schulz being another fanatic. And like Schulz's work, CK impresses me over time because it works on different levels, different lines jump out at you over the moons. The acting is brilliant, the script isn't afraid of humor, the cinematography, the lighting...astonishing.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

i will answer this...later...coffee...coffeeeee...

jess, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

...though I had the ending ruined...

how can you spoil the plot of a film in which nothing at all happens?

m jemmeson, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

coffeeeeeeeee

Pennysong Hanle y, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Isn't a 'rosebud' something you find in the underwear of people with poor hygiene?

dave q, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

Watched it last night and totally agree that it looks spectacular. Ran through Bogdanovich's commentary and that was quite good, just as informative as you could imagine. You can always have an intense drinking game with his Bogdanovich's commentaries; take a swig whenever he mentions John Ford, Alfred Hitchcock, or the fact that Orson once lived with him. There are a couple other frequently dropped themes, but I forget. Partaking in this while watching his Sopranos box interview will require major intestinal fortitude -- you'll be sloshed within ten minutes.

Andy, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

That shiz was off the fookin hook dood I thought it wuz th3 b357 m0vi3 I've 3v3r seen.

Richard Dawson, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (13 years ago) Permalink

5 years pass...

I love the scene with the dancers in the news room, just so full of joie de vivre.

I wish Welles had done a musical, I suspect that could've been really something.

Billy Dods, Saturday, 9 June 2007 16:25 (7 years ago) Permalink

It's All True is the closest...

Dr Morbius, Saturday, 9 June 2007 16:43 (7 years ago) Permalink

For me, the best thing about Citizen Kane is its up front, unrepentant, hella wonderful theatricality. Welles took his larger-than-life-size main character and scaled everything else in the movie up to that size. This makes it all great fun to watch.

If it's about anything at all, it is just about fame and power, American-stylee. Everything it has to offer is so tightly bound to the surface of things, with the grandiosity, sordidness, arrogance, desperation and greed it puts on display, that the only way to 'get' the film is to watch it and let it speak for itself. And the superficiality of it makes for a puzzling mixture of intellectual shallowness and emotional depth.

As for Rosebud and all that bumpf, that's all just a silly red herring to keep the plot from disappearing altogether.

Aimless, Saturday, 9 June 2007 17:28 (7 years ago) Permalink

i agree with all of that!

Frogman Henry, Saturday, 9 June 2007 18:15 (7 years ago) Permalink

"Bernstein, am I a stuffed shirt?"

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 9 June 2007 20:09 (7 years ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

Sonny Bupp dies:

http://www.cinematical.com/2007/11/09/last-surviving-cast-member-of-citizen-kane-dies/

"Ma, is Pop governor yet?"

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 18:52 (7 years ago) Permalink

RIP. I'd been on a Welles kick for the last couple of days, oddly enough.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 18:54 (7 years ago) Permalink

RIP.

"Bernstein, am I a stuffed shirt?"
Bernstein's "Girl In The White Dress" is a key scene in the movie, no?

James Redd and the Blecchs, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 18:56 (7 years ago) Permalink

Sparky Schulz' favorite movie.

Oilyrags, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 20:32 (7 years ago) Permalink

Annnnnd, I see that's been covered already.

Oilyrags, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 20:32 (7 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

So of course Simpsons, Schulz, and about 800k other things have reffed this. I'm kind of afraid to see it, like if I do it will just be like watching something where I know entirely what will happen the whole time. And I have to admit I'm intimidated by its Ultimate Status. But I would like to see it so someone tell me I'm talking silly nonsense or something.

Abbott, Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

I've never seen a movie with or of Orson Welles.

Abbott, Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

this film has a lot more going on than most top-ten all-time classic snoozefests.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

I've never seen a movie with or of Orson Welles.

you should invite him over post-haste!

gabbneb, Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:30 (6 years ago) Permalink

he was hot back then, Abbott.

horseshoe, Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:31 (6 years ago) Permalink

I've never seen a movie with or of Orson Welles.

Start with The Muppet Movie and work your way up to Citizen Kane.

Eric H., Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:31 (6 years ago) Permalink

if one's never seen it, i wonder if they'd enjoy it more by starting with a less Serious and Important welles

gabbneb, Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:31 (6 years ago) Permalink

er, what he said

gabbneb, Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:31 (6 years ago) Permalink

I have "F for Fake" on my ntflx q; this is a docu, yes?

Abbott, Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:31 (6 years ago) Permalink

Whoa I had no idea he had youthful hotness. Prolly not young Brando hotness tho?

Abbott, Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:32 (6 years ago) Permalink

'citizen kane' is one of his more fun ones. if not the most fun!

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

i don't think F for Fake is really the place to start? Lady From Shanghai or The Third Man might be more like it?

gabbneb, Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:36 (6 years ago) Permalink

not dissimilar from Brando hotness, actually!

horseshoe, Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

just jump in with 'kane'.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:40 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yes, Citizen Kane can be a bunch of fun if you're not spending all your time trying to focus and wrestle down "The Greatest Motion Picture Of All Time."

Naturally, I prefer The Magnificent Ambersons and Chimes at Midnight.

Eric H., Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

I'm intimidated by its Ultimate Status

Don't be. It's a gallumphcious romp, not a frowning brow-wrinkler.

Aimless, Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:41 (6 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, Kane's syntax is as far from insurmountable as The Wizard of Oz. It's not Resnais or anything.

Eric H., Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:46 (6 years ago) Permalink

I've never seen a movie with or of Orson Welles.

-- Abbott, Saturday, December 15, 2007 6:28 PM

dude go for Touch of Evil. it's one of my like all time top ten way gr8er than Kane

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:47 (6 years ago) Permalink

maybe more fun than Kane, but not as good an introduction because way less iconic?

gabbneb, Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:52 (6 years ago) Permalink

This is all v reassuring, thx guys.

Abbott, Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:52 (6 years ago) Permalink

This is gonna turn into what my Spike Lee thread did, huh.

Abbott, Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:52 (6 years ago) Permalink

Touch of Evil, also fantastic.

I'm pretty sure there are Welles films to avoid. I'm just not the one to suggest them.

Eric H., Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:54 (6 years ago) Permalink

maybe more fun than Kane, but not as good an introduction because way less iconic?

-- gabbneb, Saturday, December 15, 2007 6:52 PM

def less iconic, plus you get charlton heston in brownface which is great for lolz, but i really love the shit out of that movie.

possibly cause i was mad lifted the first time i saw it in the utsa library.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:56 (6 years ago) Permalink

Welles is sooo fat in Touch of Evil, it's even more funny than de-gringoed Heston.

"Didn't you bring me any donuts or sweet rolls?"

Eric H., Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:58 (6 years ago) Permalink

halfway into the movie i was entertaining the seriously baked suggestion that welles' casting of heston as a hispanic guy was some profound commentary on the social construction of race.

xp to self

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:58 (6 years ago) Permalink

i can't wait for morbs' disquisition on baked welles

gabbneb, Saturday, 15 December 2007 18:59 (6 years ago) Permalink

just watch citizen kane, it really is awesome, you will love it, the end.

s1ocki, Saturday, 15 December 2007 19:57 (6 years ago) Permalink

Abbott, you are talking silly nonsense or something.

Have you guys seen other films w/ Welles around that time? He wasn't THAT fat -- had to have been padded for Quinlan. Even the "I Love Lucy" he did wa sfrom maybe the year before, I think, and he was not mega-corpulent, just jowly.

The Ambersons Welles made might have been better than Kane, but the one that survives? No way.

(I think I like The Lady from Shanghai and Othello better than either.)

Dr Morbius, Saturday, 15 December 2007 22:11 (6 years ago) Permalink

abbott see them in this order:

1) kane (really entertaining; really, honest - there's a reason it's been parodied ad infinitum on the simpsons, and there's a reason pauline kael - much as i hate quoting her - called it "the most fun of any great movie ever")
2) f for fake (crazy fun, and gives a good sense of welles's sense of humor)
3) touch of evil (crazy, baroque)
4) chimes at midnight/falstaff (best movie ever)
5) macbeth (funniest shakespeare ever - othello is better objectively but i still prefer this one)

ambersons is wonderful but a very frustrating watch. it's still better than almost any movie ever even in its current form but maybe hold off on that til you see these.

J.D., Saturday, 15 December 2007 23:10 (6 years ago) Permalink

this film has a lot more going on than most top-ten all-time classic snoozefests.

OTM, i think kane is a way deeper film than, say, the bicycle thief or potemkin or city lights or the seventh seal or the godfather, not to mention funner to watch (tho i like all those).

J.D., Saturday, 15 December 2007 23:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

I saw CK for the first time just a few years ago, with all the attendant baggage, and it rocked me.

wanko ergo sum, Saturday, 15 December 2007 23:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

he was hot back then, Abbott.

OTM! the picture james naremore uses on the cover of "the magic world of orson welles" is quite fetching

JD's list is pretty solid except 1) falstaff/CoM is very hard to find (tho it rules), and 2) i'm not crazy about his othello

impudent harlot, Saturday, 15 December 2007 23:56 (6 years ago) Permalink

also, the third man, for some more great welles/joseph cotten fun, even tho it ain't a welles film as such

kingfish, Sunday, 16 December 2007 00:07 (6 years ago) Permalink

Why do I feel that

the bicycle thief or potemkin or city lights or the seventh seal or the godfather

weren't the "top-ten all-time classic snoozefests" enrique was referring to?

Eric H., Sunday, 16 December 2007 00:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

funny, that's exactly what i thought he had in mind.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 16 December 2007 00:21 (6 years ago) Permalink

Maybe Potemkin, but I figured he was talking about Bresson and Antonioni and Godard.

Eric H., Sunday, 16 December 2007 00:22 (6 years ago) Permalink

D. W. Griffith's "Birth of a Soporific"

Abbott, Sunday, 16 December 2007 00:24 (6 years ago) Permalink

yeah it basically is, except 'the godfather'.

not bresson/antonioni/godard. well, maybe bresson -- but the pre-1960 canon. maybe early antonioni.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Sunday, 16 December 2007 00:24 (6 years ago) Permalink

ie griffith, chaplin, stroheim, lubitsch, murnau, lang, pabst, eisenstein, pudovkin, dreyer, carne, rossellini, de sica, bergman, fellini.

'kane' was like the one american sound film permissible back then -- a couple of fords, maybe, but not the westerns, that kind of thing.

changed end of the 50s -- discovery of 'regle du jeu', french new wave, rediscovery of hollywood genre cinema, blah blah.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Sunday, 16 December 2007 00:27 (6 years ago) Permalink

'ambersons' would be the best if done right, and it's still yoga flame as is, but the more you see it, the more the ending just betrays the whole thing, and i say that without being able to remember how it 'should' end.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Sunday, 16 December 2007 00:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

I think I like The Lady from Shanghai

Madness! I saw it again recently and it gets my vote as his worst: mannered, coy.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 16 December 2007 00:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

the stranger's kinda weak i think, at the very least it's a waste of edward g. robinson in a boring part

impudent harlot, Sunday, 16 December 2007 01:14 (6 years ago) Permalink

Madness! I saw it again recently and it gets my vote as his worst: mannered, coy.

-- Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, December 16, 2007 12:38 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

look who's talking!

s1ocki, Sunday, 16 December 2007 02:04 (6 years ago) Permalink

ANyone seen this?

Crêpe, Sunday, 16 December 2007 03:05 (6 years ago) Permalink

look who's talking!

Ouch!

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 16 December 2007 04:32 (6 years ago) Permalink

Don't forget The Trial!

C0L1N B..., Sunday, 16 December 2007 06:24 (6 years ago) Permalink

I wish I could forget the Jess Franco edit of the Don Quixote material though.

C0L1N B..., Sunday, 16 December 2007 06:24 (6 years ago) Permalink

This film actually lives up to its reputation!

Tape Store, Sunday, 16 December 2007 07:36 (6 years ago) Permalink

look who's talking!

-- s1ocki, Sunday, 16 December 2007 02:04 (7 hours ago) Link

Now!

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 16 December 2007 09:24 (6 years ago) Permalink

Shanghai is, um, FUNNY.

Dr Morbius, Monday, 17 December 2007 14:26 (6 years ago) Permalink


Is is the animals that talk in this movie? Must rescreen this.

wanko ergo sum, Monday, 17 December 2007 14:30 (6 years ago) Permalink

I saw <i>Journey Into Fear</i> the other night - 40s noir, starring Joseph Cotten and Orson Wells, how could it be bad? But it was bad. Or at least pretty uncompelling.

Zelda Zonk, Monday, 17 December 2007 14:38 (6 years ago) Permalink

Wells = Welles

Zelda Zonk, Monday, 17 December 2007 14:39 (6 years ago) Permalink

you didn't like Welles' fez?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 17 December 2007 14:40 (6 years ago) Permalink

Welles was a pretty silly caricature in the movie, even by the standards of the times I think... For a noirish movie, there was something fundamentally wrong with the plot, there just wasn't any tension.

Zelda Zonk, Monday, 17 December 2007 15:03 (6 years ago) Permalink

don't think much of his shakepeares (except 'chimes') or noirs (except 'touch of evil').

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 17 December 2007 17:15 (6 years ago) Permalink

mookieproof, Monday, 17 December 2007 17:22 (6 years ago) Permalink

YOU NEED A MORTICIAN! YOU NEED A MORTICIAN!

impudent harlot, Monday, 17 December 2007 17:35 (6 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

I love how great Welles looks as an old man, and how he nails how old people move and think -- their habit of sharing curdled witticisms and phony insights -- without condescension. The newsreel section, for example, where a young reporter interviews Kane after he returns from speaking to "the great powers of Europe."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 02:23 (6 years ago) Permalink

Malpertuis

remy bean, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 02:28 (6 years ago) Permalink

I read his credit as "Orson Welles (cassava)"

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 02:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

youtube of worst thing welles ever did

remy bean, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 02:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

You sure about that?

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 10:34 (6 years ago) Permalink

Well that video didn't last for long.

Eric H., Wednesday, 26 March 2008 11:03 (6 years ago) Permalink

Well, you all know how it goes, crumb crisp coating, IN July, I'll go down on you &c.

Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 12:18 (6 years ago) Permalink

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3qg4i22x9M

deeznuts, Wednesday, 26 March 2008 12:20 (6 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

is bogdanovich's commentary on the 2-disc edition worth hearing?

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 03:46 (4 years ago) Permalink

no iirc

sir gaga (s1ocki), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 14:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

I thought it was pretty silly.

That's staring you in the face when you open up this thread--it's way, way up at the top (Sept. 28, 2001--within three weeks of 9/11). I got into a big back-and-forth on Kane once with a friend; can't remember if he said exactly the same, but he was dismissive in any event. I can see where someone would come away from a first viewing thinking it's slightly overrated--I don't think so, but with so much advance build-up, such a reaction seems more than reasonable--but it's hard for me to understand not thinking it's pretty great anyway. Even if you don't think it's profound (I do), I would still think you'd love the humour, the performances, and/or the whirlwind technique. I saw an interview a few years ago with Graham Yost (the guy who wrote Speed), and he recalled the time in high school when his dad, Elwy Yost (long-time host of a classic-movie show in Toronto), wrote a letter explaining that his son would be absent tomorrow because he wanted him to stay up and watch a midnight airing of Citizen Kane. I generally cringe when people well up on camera, but that time it seemed very spontaneous and genuine.

clemenza, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

I still haven't gone back to finish this, and I'm not usually put off by hype about the 'classics'. Just feel no compunction to go through with the rest of it on what I've seen so far (Young dude gets old and crusty at a dinner table montage)

Black IP's (darraghmac), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

rolling my damn eyes

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

don't bother Black IP's

conrad, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah am aware of that reaction, but i felt it was important my voice was unstifled by your entrenched luvviness

Black IP's (darraghmac), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

don't bother Black IP's

conrad, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:22 (4 years ago) Permalink

Young dude gets old and crusty at a dinner table montage

You can do this with any film:
Vertigo -- Old nervous dude stalks blonde babe around San Francisco
Chinatown -- Detective dude gets bloodied up by short foreign dude
Persona -- Actress babe pulls silent treatment on chatty nurse

clemenza, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 16:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

Retitle:Dude, Where's My Snowglobe?

Generation Blecch (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 17:29 (4 years ago) Permalink

Moby-Dick: Nut chases a big fish

[sic]

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 17:36 (4 years ago) Permalink

kinda enjoying this tbh.

Black IP's (darraghmac), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 21:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

am i the only one to have cried at the ending? such a pitiful man in the end..

dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 23:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

6 months pass...

I just watched this for the first time and it actually lived up to the hype fer me. this fucking film. love that it ends with the same shot it starts with, suggesting you could just play it on repeat. that fucking screeching white bird!! scarier than most horror movies released today. those shots of the opening newsroom! my god.

steendriver DUMB BIG, his HOOS got HOOS (dayo), Monday, 6 December 2010 15:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yes to all that. Love that bird.

*lowkeytalkaboutthisandthatSCRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEECH!*

Ned Raggett, Monday, 6 December 2010 15:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

you know, it wasn't even a newsroom. it was the theater where they were projecting the newsreel. love how that also suggests that, in the film's chronology, kane is long dated at the time of his death - the world's moved on to talkies, papers don't dominate anymore.

steendriver DUMB BIG, his HOOS got HOOS (dayo), Monday, 6 December 2010 15:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

I had to rewind the part with the bird to make sure my imagination wasn't fucking with me, that there wasn't a ghost in the machine.

steendriver DUMB BIG, his HOOS got HOOS (dayo), Monday, 6 December 2010 15:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

I love the newsreel/theater scene so much because, by the time I saw it for the first time, I had been used to black and white films in my own admittedly limited experience as being constantly, perfectly staged in terms of dialogue -- everything was all about precision and delivering of lines. So the sudden cut and seeing and hearing a bunch of people all talk back and forth 'naturally,' however written and focused that part of the script was in turn, was a bit of a revelation. Everything actually felt relaxed.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 6 December 2010 15:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

What I love most about the film now is the young Orson Welles, without makeup and jowls, ready for the world.

look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 December 2010 15:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

yes, it does feel like a breath of fresh air after the clipped narration of the newsreel especially! also the smoky light, the deep blacks, the journalist silhouetted by the projector. the cold light in thatchers archives-cum-mausoleum. beautiful, beautiful film.

steendriver DUMB BIG, his HOOS got HOOS (dayo), Monday, 6 December 2010 15:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

young Welles is already a little jowly

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Monday, 6 December 2010 15:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

give ryan reynolds a year

Goths in Home & Away in my lifetime (darraghmac), Monday, 6 December 2010 15:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

i would lvoe to watch this again sometime soon.

shirley summistake (s1ocki), Monday, 6 December 2010 17:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

otm

not that it's that hard, to find two hours...

feel like it isn't presented in the best possible state, which is a shame

rip whiney g weingarten 03/11 never forget (history mayne), Monday, 6 December 2010 18:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

Ned otm about the newsreel/theater scene contrasting with 'normal' black and white movies. We watched Kane for film class in my first year of uni, and I had a similar reaction. And the great thing about Kane is that while it is a film that books are endlessly written about and people cite as the greatest whatever, part of what I find great about it is that it is such a pleasure to watch on repeated viewings. And Welles is so magnetic as the young CFK.

I remember later on seeing Olivier's "Wuthering Heights" and thinking, 'there's something about the cinematography that is kind of familiar to me'...and then looking it up and realizing that Gregg Toland was the common denominator. Probably a big old 'duh' for everyone else who knows anything about anything, but it was a little epiphany for me at the time, lol.

Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Monday, 6 December 2010 18:34 (3 years ago) Permalink

always nice to see someone get genuinely excited about 'kane' -- it is a very fun, engaging, gorgeous film.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 6 December 2010 23:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

I just saw the for the first time, too, a few months ago. Really as big and watchable as they say it is!

Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Monday, 6 December 2010 23:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

Seeing Kane added another level to visiting Hearst Castle. It's like, "Holy crap he really DID have a fireplace bigger than he was."

Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Monday, 6 December 2010 23:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

"I think we might have a FAP tomorrow, Susan."

Ned Raggett, Monday, 6 December 2010 23:34 (3 years ago) Permalink

Want to watch this again now, but waiting for the Blu Ray out next year. Saw it in the cinema once but it was on old print, so not much better than the DVD version I have.

Chewshabadoo, Monday, 6 December 2010 23:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

what a fun movie.

difficult listening hour, Saturday, 7 May 2011 00:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

how wonderful to be this guy:

paid for it of course

difficult listening hour, Saturday, 7 May 2011 00:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

Who knew that Kane paved the way for The Human Centipede?

thread assessor (latebloomer), Saturday, 7 May 2011 02:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yesterday was also Welles' birthday (and Freud, and Willie Mays).

clemenza, Saturday, 7 May 2011 16:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

Morbs I'm curious - where do you rank this among Welles pics?

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 7 May 2011 16:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

The "ultimate collector's edition" blu-ray was announced today:

ho hum lobby cards book WAIT HOLY SHIT MAGNIFICENT AMBERSONS

muus lääv? :D muus dut :( (Telephone thing), Saturday, 14 May 2011 00:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

Aw hell yeah! Finally!

Kevin John Bozelka, Saturday, 14 May 2011 00:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

aero, it's kind of impossible for me to think of it as anything but Welles' best both as entertainment and unsullied, unfucked-with tour de force. I see a certain greatness in Lady from Shanghai, Touch of Evil and especially Othello, but only prefer them to CK in fleeting moments.

After reading this, I was hoping that set would include an acclaimed BBC doc on the making of Kane, but apparently not? I hope this, tho, gets taken care of:

WB should certainly “un-restore” the “News-on-the-March” sequence which Welles intentionally wanted to have a dirty and scratched look, as well as all the scenes in the previous digital restoration that removed such “artifacts” as the raindrops on the windows outside of Mr. Bernstein’s office.

http://www.wellesnet.com/?p=1358

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 14 May 2011 02:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

srsly, how does somebody who removes raindrops and cleans up News On the March get a job in restoration?

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 16:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

Maybe he worked for Ted Turner.

As for me, I can't possibly choose any of Welles' other films over CK for sheer entertainment. That's what I tell skeptics afraid of its classic aura: it's fast moving and fun as all hell.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 16:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

True. The pacing makes it seem pretty modern.

Can't wait for some HD Kane.

Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 16:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

see teal+orange thread for a sneak preview

school of seven bellhops (blueski), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 16:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

http://events.hometheaterforum.com/files/lowry.txt

<q=JohnLowry>May I please apologize for the lack of certain raindrops in the window.
The work on Citizen Kane was done exactly two years ago, and we have made great
strides in the interim. Today, removal of one drop of rain, snow, sleet or hail is unacceptable...
regardless of incessant requests from the Postmaster General (Just kidding)</q>

jay lenonononono (abanana), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 19:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

holy crap that kane set looks sweet

Unity Tour 2011: 311 and Sublime with Rome (latebloomer), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 19:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

As for me, I can't possibly choose any of Welles' other films over CK for sheer entertainment. That's what I tell skeptics afraid of its classic aura: it's fast moving and fun as all hell.

otm

Unity Tour 2011: 311 and Sublime with Rome (latebloomer), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 19:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

sadly the blu-ray version still includes the revisionist documentary and adds the shit biopic based on it. (revisionist because it claims that kane is based on welles himself which is silly/missing the point, and possibly included so that turner can try to mess with welles's esteem)

jay lenonononono (abanana), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 19:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

Apparently the Ambersons disc is bare bones. :-(

Handjobs for a sport (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 19:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

Other movies that are fast moving and fun as all hell.

The Magnificent Ambersons
Touch of Evil
F for Fake

Just saying.

scissorlocks and the three bears (Eric H.), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 20:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

cosign on F for Fake, it's cut like a music video. Great fun.

Yossarian's sense of humour (NotEnough), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 20:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

Apparently the Ambersons disc is bare bones

well we don't even have all the bones of the film!

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 20:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

Ambersons is fun as hell but it's not fast moving -- and that's a compliment.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

Touch of Evil drags more than CK does (the Heston-Weaver stuff leaves me cold).

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

ambersons is so slow-moving that whenever i watch it i end up staring at the edges of the frame in certain scenes to try and see if the image is static or just moving incredibly slowly

anime hitler, the futanari führer (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

f for fake kinda bogs down towards the end. the picasso thing.

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

meanwhile citizen kane moves like star wars.

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

F For Fake is (somewhat) fun, and that's ALL it is.

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

chartres bit somehow manages not to be overrated.

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

I've the same problem with F For Fake that I do with Zelig: the joke gets tired after twenty minutes.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

Zelig has a richer authorial metaphor, at least to me. Also funnier.

resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

is the joke "orson welles has a moviola" because it's a pretty good joke

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

i like zelig but it takes longer than any other 80-minute movie i'm aware of. it has as much content as a longish shouts and murmurs piece.

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Orson Welles in a cool-ass cape"

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

"orson welles shows you pictures of his girlfriend"

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

You know what's funny? That Richard Gere made a movie about this too.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

hmm I've never seen F for Fake.

sounds kinda silly

underrated earl sweatshirt fans i have boned (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

well so is ILE.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

f for fake is awesome

Unity Tour 2011: 311 and Sublime with Rome (latebloomer), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

my favorite part in f for fake is when he's holding court at the restaurant, this roaring mountain laughing and telling lies and knocking over drinks.

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

my favorite part in f for fake of ILE is when he's holding court at the restaurant, this roaring mountain laughing and telling lies and knocking over drinks.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

you're gonna need to eat more.

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

This thread needs

stars on 45 my destination (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:39 (3 years ago) Permalink

Britain, the 51sb State (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

anime hitler, the futanari führer (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

*rouses from alcoholic coma* AAAAAHHHHHHH the....french champagne.....

anime hitler, the futanari führer (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

-xpost-

LOL, those voiceover tapes are brilliant:

Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

Sorry, your version is better!

Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

Citizen Kane is great and all, but its inclusion in your list of all time greatest movies isn't going to attract my attention.

scissorlocks and the three bears (Eric H.), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

And, let's face it, if you can't get my attention in list form, you ain't getting my attention.

scissorlocks and the three bears (Eric H.), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

" he duzzn do anythin'?"

Britain, the 51sb State (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

who are you talking to, Eric

anime hitler, the futanari führer (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

Royal "your."

scissorlocks and the three bears (Eric H.), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

lists are awful

Unity Tour 2011: 311 and Sublime with Rome (latebloomer), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

If only less of them featured Citizen Kane.

scissorlocks and the three bears (Eric H.), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

Touch of Evil drags more than CK does (the Heston-Weaver stuff leaves me cold).

― ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, May 17, 2011 5:05 PM (49 minutes ago)


ditto for me

stars on 45 my destination (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

Citizen Kane is great and all, but its inclusion in your list of all time greatest movies isn't going to attract my attention.

I guess you omit Erotica from your list of all time great albums.

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

Not desperately seeking attention from ILM'ers.

scissorlocks and the three bears (Eric H.), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 21:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

desperately seeking susan from ilm'ers

Unity Tour 2011: 311 and Sublime with Rome (latebloomer), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 22:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

desperately steening HOOS'n

stars on 45 my destination (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 22:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

I wonder what Welles thread will actually feature discussion of CK

the gay bloggers are onto the faggot tweets (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 00:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

btw the Jed Leland scenes in this make me nostalgic for an age when theatre reviews were called "notices."

the gay bloggers are onto the faggot tweets (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 00:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

also, was it Kael who wrote that Sloane's Bernstein was thought to be a vocal impression of Bernard Herrmann? I've always delighted in imagining Sloane's accent when reading Herrmann's quote to Brian De Palma when scoring Sisters: "YAW NOT HITCHCOCK!"

the gay bloggers are onto the faggot tweets (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 00:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

What are your favorite unremarked-on scenes? Mine: "Certainly we're speaking, Jedediah. You're fired."

ginny thomas and tonic (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 01:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

^CFK at his queeniest

I like it when old Leland refers to Xanadu as "Sloppy Joe's" (fave Hemingway bar in Key West)

the gay bloggers are onto the faggot tweets (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 01:11 (3 years ago) Permalink

I love when Leland says "crimitism" instead of "criticism." Apparently, it was shot at the end of a loooooong day (or days) and Cotten was delirious with sleep deprivation. Welles just smiles at him.

Kevin John Bozelka, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 01:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

Other movies that are fast moving and fun as all hell.

The Magnificent Ambersons

this is a joke, right?

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 02:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think he's got it confused with "Meet the Fockers"

Mark G, Wednesday, 18 May 2011 08:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

f for fake kinda bogs down towards the end. the picasso thing.

I've the same problem with F For Fake that I do with Zelig: the joke gets tired after twenty minutes.

i can't see how either of these hold water; i don't see any of the later sections as offering diminished returns, because they're different; the section on the cathedral is one of the most lyrical in cinema, to me, and the picasso section is playful and graceful in an entirely different way from the start of the film's more mad-cap, technological fun. sure f for fake is uneven, in that it veers, but i don't think it's that it tries one thing and then flags.

mailbox of snakes (schlump), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 10:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

'f for fake' is great, but getting criterion treatment kinda overexposed it for a while. i enjoy it most because it really lets welles play the showman, which none of his other movies really did. it's a wonderfully unique film -- i can't think of anything else remotely like it. i'd happily shell out for a criterion that consisted of nothing but welles interviews, come to think of it.

the most remarkable thing about welles, for me, is that all of his movies are so different in style, tone, everything. it's almost impossible to believe the same guy made 'ambersons' AND 'f for fake' AND 'the trial.'

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 18 May 2011 12:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

"you see, my mother died a long time ago, and her things were put in storage out west--there wasn't any other place to put them--i thought i'd send for them now, and tonight i was going to take a look at them. you know, a sort of sentimental journey. i run a couple of newspapers; what do you do?"

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 02:04 (3 years ago) Permalink

ever notice the dude on the Smart Puffs bag looks exactly like Peter Bogdanovich?

David Allah Coal (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 02:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

missing the cravat, though

David Allah Coal (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 03:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

lol!

\(^o\) (/o^)/ (ENBB), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 03:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

on the new release:

For the new Blu-ray, Ned Price and his team at Warner Brothers Motion Picture Imagery scanned three different copies (or "film elements"): the MoMA print; a 35 mm fine-grain master that was found several years ago at a film lab in Brussels; and another 35 mm fine-grain master, discovered much more recently at a European film archive. (For a purely technical caveat, click here.)

"The three film elements had different strengths and weaknesses," Price explained. "For instance, one of them had less flicker in one reel but coarser grain in another reel. So we put together the best bits and pieces of all three." (Even so, Price and his team had to clean up, frame by frame, a lot of dirt and misalignments, especially in all those opticals and dissolves. The restoration project took over a year to complete.)

http://www.slate.com/id/2303638/pagenum/all/

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 September 2011 20:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

7 months pass...

Had never seen this. Now I have. Wow!

Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 10:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

:D

Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 11:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's great no matter how much people want to rearrange the canonical furniture.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 13:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

Citizen Kane = Magnificent Ambersons = Chimes at Midnight = F for Fake = Touch of Evil

jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 14:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

You'd need a big room for all that furniture.

jungleous butterflies strange birds (Eric H.), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 14:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

esp if Orson is living there

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 14:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

Saw this at MoMA tonight, forgot how funny Susan's vocal coach is.

also you *do* see William Alland (the reporter)'s face out of silhouette on a big screen.

ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 2 June 2013 05:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

Oh, this isn't original point, but the movie announces its theme:

"It's the greatest curse that's ever been inflicted on the human race: memory."

ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 2 June 2013 05:22 (1 year ago) Permalink


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