― Ally, Friday, 8 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― DG, Friday, 8 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Michael, Friday, 8 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Michael, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― DG, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Otis Wheeler, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Geoff, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Kim, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I've been nagged by the thought that it actually was the real Marilyn Manson that I saw a few weeks ago geekily going to the purolator courier in the Atrium on Bay (snootyish office/shopping complex in downtown T.O.)because that's probably the last place on earth that I would expect such a celebrity sighting to happen, so I dismissed out of hand as an arrestingly casual lookalike in a long black coat, yet then I was thinking that all that nega-evidence adds up to it probably being the real Marilyn. anyway...
I love the part in tonight's episode where Kramer is dressed like a pimp. I wish I had a walking stick.
― Ally, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― james e l, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
The best was in a later episode where they BROUGHT THE DANCE back. It was only two seconds, but I was practically incontinent.
Anyone who catches the dancing episode on tape for me (NTSC, please) will be my BEST FRIEND 4-EVA.
― Dan Perry, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Two nights ago me and Ramon were sitting in a bar thinking about what we could do to make ourselves look more like pimps/rapists, and his first suggestion was we could walk with a limp, but I said fuck that, I've got a barrel (literally) full of canes (I kid you not). So expect the Clockwork Orange look next time you see us, minus the fake eyebrows and makeup and girly shit.
― Dave, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Hey, I don't think I've seen the reprise. There's a reason to live! Assume everyone has seen the reference at How To Dance Properly
Otherwise, what Mitch said.
― Nick, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Any hot chicks out there want to get bisy just let me know. I got it all . They call me "the Mutt" and with all that implies. And that ain't dirt in my eye.
Larry
― Larry Mutt, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― jason, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I thought this said "...and with all my nipples". I have no clue why or what that could possibly imply but that's much better than what that said.
― Ally, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― ethan, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
The Simpsons, conversely, are classic.
― Phil, Thursday, 16 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Also, Jerry's millions got him that 17 y.o. honey (who ended up dumping his ass, btw). Not the trainers. No way was it the trainers. Please god tell me it wasn't the trainers.
― tha chzza, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― ethan, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Richard Tunnicliffe, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Elaine had the best hair ever in the later series.
― Ally, Friday, 17 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Josh, Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s, Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
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― Andrew L, Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― N., Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Anyway, I want to hate this show, it's the type of cultural phenomenon that normally annoys me, but every time I stumble across a rerun I end up watching it and having some good laffs. Last night I saw the one where Elaine dates a mover but breaks up with him because of his stance on abortion. And George invites himself over to a family's house to watch their rented copy of Breakfast at Tiffany's because he didn't read the book for his study group. It was funny. I'll say classic.
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 24 May 2003 19:39 (twenty years ago) link
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 24 May 2003 19:46 (twenty years ago) link
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 24 May 2003 19:49 (twenty years ago) link
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 24 May 2003 19:53 (twenty years ago) link
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 24 May 2003 19:54 (twenty years ago) link
BBC2 didin't treat these shows like the comedy gold they were (sticking them late evening etc WTF?!) whereas crap like friends and will and grace get prime time on C4 (OK the former was funny for the first two series).
crosspost: daddino doesn't rock anymore.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 24 May 2003 19:54 (twenty years ago) link
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 24 May 2003 19:55 (twenty years ago) link
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 24 May 2003 19:56 (twenty years ago) link
I HAVEN'T EVEN BEGUN TO ROCK YET!
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 24 May 2003 19:56 (twenty years ago) link
I'm afraid of you.
George Constanza is a brilliant character. A recognizable, even sympathetic monster.
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Saturday, 24 May 2003 19:57 (twenty years ago) link
Witness this and this. As well as this, once in a while.
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 24 May 2003 20:03 (twenty years ago) link
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 24 May 2003 20:23 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Saturday, 24 May 2003 23:50 (twenty years ago) link
Also, I'm fairly sure I would love Larry Sanders, but I've never seen it because of the stupid fucking BBC.
― Nick H, Sunday, 25 May 2003 00:09 (twenty years ago) link
But I do think it's a great show, and sometimes ridiculously funny. And I think the "nihilism" (but it's not that - it's a sympathetic portrait of failed humanity) is what makes it great. Curb Your Enthusiasm does this too, but too much so - we need some real humor and niceness along with the nasty stuff. Also, the particularly New York voice of the show. Complaining about the hackneyed plot lines is like complaining that Buffy has to kill a vampire every week (well, ok, maybe there's something to that).
It's not my personal favorite tv show - I like sentimental, yuppie-sensibility stuff like Mad About You and Northern Exposure, which I won't make greatness claims for. And It's not the greatest tv show ever - whatever that is, it's probably not a sitcom - but I think a good argument can be made for best sitcom of the last 25 years
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 25 May 2003 00:24 (twenty years ago) link
― Carey (Carey), Sunday, 25 May 2003 00:28 (twenty years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 25 May 2003 01:16 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Sunday, 25 May 2003 01:18 (twenty years ago) link
― Nicole (Nicole), Sunday, 25 May 2003 01:55 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 25 May 2003 02:07 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Sunday, 25 May 2003 07:26 (twenty years ago) link
― luna (luna.c), Sunday, 25 May 2003 07:49 (twenty years ago) link
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Sunday, 25 May 2003 07:50 (twenty years ago) link
I totally disagree with this. I've come to HATE the basic attitude of Seinfeld - I watch it every night, it's the only thing on TV in New Zealand - and Jerry's whole, 'My parents love me, aren't I adorable, you all love me, and I'm just gonna be a fucking bastard because I can' thing is really wearying after a while. Seinfeld doesn't even break a sweat. He's always as cool as a cucumber, looking at everyone else - looking at girls - and the sneer is never too far away. Larry David seems much humbler - he can hardly bear to look anyone else in the face, let alone laugh AT them. This makes 'Curb Your Enthusiasm' seem much, much nicer to me.
― m-ry-nn (m-ry-nn), Sunday, 25 May 2003 07:52 (twenty years ago) link
― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 25 May 2003 08:41 (twenty years ago) link
― chaki (chaki), Sunday, 25 May 2003 09:15 (twenty years ago) link
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― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 25 May 2003 10:43 (twenty years ago) link
― chaki (chaki), Sunday, 25 May 2003 10:45 (twenty years ago) link
Seinfeld has ruined me for all other sitcoms: I can't watch any of them without getting bored. I think it's actually gotten better in syndication: the episodes I thought were lame first time around seem funnier to me now. There's also a tragic, hopeless undercurrent to the humor that's perfectly disguised by its breeziness, tho it's probably fatal to take Seinfeld too seriously.
Also, after watching it 53,000,000 times I think I've started to fancy Elaine a bit.
― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 25 May 2003 12:58 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Sunday, 25 May 2003 18:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:22 (twenty years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:32 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:33 (twenty years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:34 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:38 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:44 (twenty years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 25 May 2003 19:47 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 25 May 2003 20:01 (twenty years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 25 May 2003 20:06 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 25 May 2003 20:13 (twenty years ago) link
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 25 May 2003 22:40 (twenty years ago) link
But I'm not entirely without complaint.
They truly should have found someone else to play Seinfeld. In a stellarcomedic cast he stood out as a rank amateur, often botching the proceedings. The scripts stroke his ego shamelessly, pairing him withan endless parade of beautiful women and sparing him the severest discomfort. And his standup was horrible, an unintentional joke.
But he couldn't stop the show from being brilliant! Starting abouthalfway through the second season, the writers were so great atlayering several absurd storylines, culminating in these chaoticcomedic orgies that can only be compared to end-of-episodeclimaxes in _Fawlty Towers_. How come more sitcoms don'thave this format, instead of a boring linear string of sometimes-funny wisecracks? Mindless jokes _Seinfeld_ decidedly IS NOT.
Thing is, the early episodes were pretty crappy - that's partlywhy I think people don't like them, they got a bad taste in theirmouth early on and never gave it a second chance.
Also, the episodes are highly self-referential, so you haveto watch it from the opening credits, or half the jokes don'tmake any sense whatever.
And woah, are there actually people named Shoshanna?I know a Shoshanna and I thought that her name was a bizzare hippie side effect.
Oh yeah, and the sight of a pimp Kramer beingarrested for assaulting a prostitute = one of the bestendings ever.
― squirl plise (Squirrel_Police), Monday, 26 May 2003 01:00 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 26 May 2003 01:44 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 26 May 2003 01:45 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 26 May 2003 01:46 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 26 May 2003 01:52 (twenty years ago) link
― rosemary (rosemary), Monday, 26 May 2003 01:54 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 26 May 2003 02:22 (twenty years ago) link
D-U-D garbage!!!!
― Fred Nerk, Monday, 26 May 2003 02:30 (twenty years ago) link
― chaki (chaki), Monday, 26 May 2003 05:08 (twenty years ago) link
Seriously, what is UP with all the Seinfeld hate??!!
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 26 May 2003 05:48 (twenty years ago) link
― slutsky (slutsky), Monday, 26 May 2003 06:05 (twenty years ago) link
(ominous music)
― slutsky (slutsky), Monday, 26 May 2003 06:06 (twenty years ago) link
Ally with my right hand. N with my left.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 26 May 2003 08:15 (twenty years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Monday, 26 May 2003 14:44 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 26 May 2003 14:51 (twenty years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Monday, 26 May 2003 15:40 (twenty years ago) link
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 26 May 2003 18:29 (twenty years ago) link
the laughter has been sucked out of this thread.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 26 May 2003 18:32 (twenty years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Monday, 26 May 2003 18:35 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 26 May 2003 20:12 (twenty years ago) link
I don't know, but there is something seriously wrong with anyone who can't see the utter genius of Seinfeld.
― A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 26 May 2003 20:38 (twenty years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 26 May 2003 21:08 (twenty years ago) link
yeah, I know.
― A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 26 May 2003 21:10 (twenty years ago) link
(even will and grace, i lied abt that upthread so as to look cool)
― mark s (mark s), Monday, 26 May 2003 22:09 (twenty years ago) link
which is true: i don't think it's funny really
― mark s (mark s), Monday, 26 May 2003 22:10 (twenty years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Monday, 26 May 2003 22:11 (twenty years ago) link
Seinfeld gets criticised for its nihilism because it verges on excessive depth - for America. (The characters try to do volunteer work and fail, Elaine campaigns for equal opportunities because big breasted women are favoured over her, people turn to Judaism 'for the jokes' - the pathos of the attempt towards something that circles back into bourgeois stasis is nearly voiced. But whereas on Seinfeld minor characters suffer, on 'Curb Your Enthusiasm' Larry David is the middle class child abuser, the fake Jew, the wife beater.)
― m-ry-nn (m-ry-nn), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 07:12 (twenty years ago) link
― Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 08:34 (twenty years ago) link
― Jrvision (visionjr), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 07:15 (twenty years ago) link
― Jrvision (visionjr), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 09:39 (twenty years ago) link
― Jrvision (visionjr), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 09:54 (twenty years ago) link
― Jrvision (visionjr), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 09:55 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 13:07 (twenty years ago) link
― Elaine (nickalicious), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 13:20 (twenty years ago) link
Perhaps if I watched it enough and could get into the rhythms, pick up the nuances (if there are rhythms to be gotten into and nuances to be picked up) and noticed the characters interacted with but ultimately transcended such carcicature, I'd like it better.
― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:04 (twenty years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:08 (twenty years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:09 (twenty years ago) link
― Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:11 (twenty years ago) link
yes, Seinfeld is all about nuances and rhythms.
"staging and line delivery is better in 'W&G'"
The staging and line delivery (as well as the writing) are the main things that make Seinfeld so laugh-out-loud-able. Some of the funniest moments are based purely on the way one of the characters says something or a basic interaction (the other funniest moments come from an intricate and complicated script revealing itself).
― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:28 (twenty years ago) link
Stan Brakhage loved this show but he had bad taste far as I can tell.
― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:37 (twenty years ago) link
― slutsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:39 (twenty years ago) link
http://www.fredcamper.com/PF/Brakhage/hellitself2b.jpg
― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:41 (twenty years ago) link
"Are you really gonna wear that thing?"
"All signs point to 'yes'".
― hataz can lick my significant shrinkage (nickalicious), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:47 (twenty years ago) link
― slutsky (slutsky), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:48 (twenty years ago) link
― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:48 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:53 (twenty years ago) link
― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:55 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:56 (twenty years ago) link
― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 14:57 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 15:02 (twenty years ago) link
― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 15:02 (twenty years ago) link
(I actually work with a Neil, in accounting, and yes, we called him T-Bone for a while)
― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 15:04 (twenty years ago) link
My fav line:"I'm gone for two weeks and you turn my house into...into..Bourbon Street!"
― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 15:05 (twenty years ago) link
― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 15:06 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 15:09 (twenty years ago) link
http://wwwimage.cbs.com/primetime/king_of_queens/images/sub_bio_pic_jstiller.jpg
― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 15:11 (twenty years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 15:12 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 15:14 (twenty years ago) link
― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 15:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 15:17 (twenty years ago) link
Will & Grace doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same thread, much less paragraph. It's just so cheap andobvious, although the pill-popping secretary is vaguely entertaining.
― squirl plise (Squirrel_Police), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 15:32 (twenty years ago) link
― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 15:33 (twenty years ago) link
Thanks to this thread, I blurted out, "It's the Andrea Doria."
― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 15:33 (twenty years ago) link
Argh. crosspost.
― NA. (Nick A.), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 15:34 (twenty years ago) link
― Jrvision (visionjr), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 16:35 (twenty years ago) link
I watch reruns of this show whenever I have the chance, seriously. I'll watch 2-3 episodes a day if I'm watching TV and there isn't an episode of Survivor or Temptation Island on.
Jerry himself is probably the weakest link, but I find his "bad" acting not even bothersome. He does add some classic lines like "I just had a bowl of Kix" and of course there's the whole "awthatsashame" sort of dismissive lack of caring tone that informs the whole show. It's George, Kramer and Elaine who make the show hum like a fine-tuned Beemer. Plus the classic support cast (George's parents, Jerry's parents, Uncle Leo, Newman, Puddy, the Rosses, Mr. Pitt, J. Peterman) -- just excellent, excellent casting where each actor is probably playing the role of their career.
My favorite show of all time would still have to be The Simpsons, but overexposure to the more classic episodes has left me really not wanting to re-watch those episodes much, but something about Seinfeld is different. It puts other "comedies" like the shite that ABC shows (dumbass shows with Jim Belushi, John Ritter, etc.) to shame, even with the wacky slap-bass keyboards, bad poofy Jerry hair, and the black jeans/white sneakers look.
― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Friday, 30 May 2003 19:58 (twenty years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 30 May 2003 20:25 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 30 May 2003 20:27 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 30 May 2003 20:32 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 30 May 2003 20:43 (twenty years ago) link
WHY THE FUCK ISN'T IT ON VIDEO??????
― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 5 January 2004 15:24 (twenty years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 5 January 2004 15:45 (twenty years ago) link
― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 5 January 2004 15:46 (twenty years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 5 January 2004 15:48 (twenty years ago) link
― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 5 January 2004 15:53 (twenty years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 5 January 2004 16:21 (twenty years ago) link
― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 5 January 2004 16:24 (twenty years ago) link
enrique: apparently the cast members had been in some sort of dispute over royalties--it's supposed to be out on DVD soon though.
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 5 January 2004 16:25 (twenty years ago) link
― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 5 January 2004 16:26 (twenty years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 5 January 2004 16:27 (twenty years ago) link
― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 5 January 2004 16:28 (twenty years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 5 January 2004 16:32 (twenty years ago) link
enrique I think the other cast members were jealous of seinfeld's creator/producer credit and the spectacular amounts of money he made from that
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 5 January 2004 16:33 (twenty years ago) link
you are clearly wrong, and not only is EVERY simpsons episode watchable (even if they suck, which many do) the best were written by Conan O'Brien.
― Catty (Catty), Monday, 5 January 2004 16:34 (twenty years ago) link
― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 5 January 2004 16:35 (twenty years ago) link
― Chris V (Chris V), Monday, 5 January 2004 16:36 (twenty years ago) link
― NA (Nick A.), Monday, 5 January 2004 16:38 (twenty years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 5 January 2004 16:39 (twenty years ago) link
― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 5 January 2004 16:40 (twenty years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 5 January 2004 16:42 (twenty years ago) link
also Janeane Garofalo, who i love love love, appears as the interviewer in the episode where George and Jerry get accidentally ovrheard while pretending to be gay - "...not that there's anything wrong with that!"
i have downloaded several episodes as mpg through Limewire - i dare say through Kazaa or soulseek you can get many more.
Greatest TV Comedy like, ever.
― jed_ (jed), Monday, 5 January 2004 16:44 (twenty years ago) link
That wasn't JG. She did appear in another episode as Jerry's dream girlfriend, though, who too loved cereal for lunch, dinner and in between.
― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Monday, 5 January 2004 16:52 (twenty years ago) link
But yeah, I'll definitely get it on dvd. I liked Comedian a whole lot. The process of putting together his new act was interesting (especially the bits where he blanked out completely), but seeing all the snippets just made me want to see the complete product. I remember thinking that the commentary track was very good, but I can't remember why. Maybe just because Jerry is a funny guy and Colin Quinn is funny as an idiot.
― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 5 January 2004 17:01 (twenty years ago) link
xpost
― jed_ (jed), Monday, 5 January 2004 17:03 (twenty years ago) link
― jed_ (jed), Monday, 5 January 2004 17:08 (twenty years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 5 January 2004 17:17 (twenty years ago) link
― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 5 January 2004 17:20 (twenty years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Monday, 5 January 2004 17:37 (twenty years ago) link
― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Monday, 5 January 2004 17:38 (twenty years ago) link
― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 5 January 2004 17:40 (twenty years ago) link
― jed_ (jed), Monday, 5 January 2004 17:55 (twenty years ago) link
― ryan (ryan), Monday, 5 January 2004 18:20 (twenty years ago) link
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 5 January 2004 18:30 (twenty years ago) link
― jed_ (jed), Monday, 5 January 2004 18:36 (twenty years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 5 January 2004 19:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Huckleberry Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 5 January 2004 19:06 (twenty years ago) link
― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 10:18 (twenty years ago) link
We don't *need* commentary on Seinfeld, just give us all the episodes to watch when we want!
― Nick H (Nick H), Saturday, 17 January 2004 23:18 (twenty years ago) link
amateurist, wow. incredible wrongness.
i revived this thread to say that "bizarro jerry" must be top 3, easy. i just saw it again and realized that it features 1. bizarro jerry ("does he live underwater? is he black?")2. man-hands ("there's a beach towel on the rack...")3. kramer's fake 9-to-5 ("you know this is my crazy time of year!") and 4. the meat packing plant turned secret model hangout fortress ("i guess the dj booth was over there, by the bonesaw").
god, unbelievable.
― m. (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― m. (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 17:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 12 January 2005 18:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 30 April 2005 10:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― Nellie (nellskies), Saturday, 30 April 2005 15:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Saturday, 30 April 2005 16:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 30 April 2005 16:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Saturday, 30 April 2005 16:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 30 April 2005 16:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 30 April 2005 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link
crossposts
― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 30 April 2005 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Saturday, 30 April 2005 16:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― ryan (ryan), Saturday, 30 April 2005 16:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 30 April 2005 16:44 (eighteen years ago) link
i think you're in part right about this but "splendor" is the wrong word--it's just a slightly exaggerated parody of the meaningless things we find important. i mean people could be smug and watch seinfeld--but then i think they are missing the point, and it's not fair to judge something by its audience, esp a sitcom.
― ryan (ryan), Saturday, 30 April 2005 16:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― ryan (ryan), Saturday, 30 April 2005 16:48 (eighteen years ago) link
(also -10 million points for the slap bass)
Jerry/Larry is easily the best character on the show.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Saturday, 30 April 2005 16:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 30 April 2005 20:11 (eighteen years ago) link
i think this was true once, back when a lot of the ideas within the show were stand up comedy material, but the sitcom style seemed to actually deify the shallowness it once parodied. i'm not sure sitcoms *have* to do that, just saying that "Seinfeld" did. To me that made it unlikeable and even undermined a sound basic premise - that the meaningless ticks people have really are intrinsically funny.
― Kim (Kim), Saturday, 30 April 2005 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― f-a-b-o-l-o-u-s (adamwest), Saturday, 30 April 2005 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― Earl Nash (earlnash), Saturday, 30 April 2005 23:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― ryan (ryan), Sunday, 1 May 2005 01:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― slightly more subdued (kenan), Sunday, 1 May 2005 02:07 (eighteen years ago) link
"jerry seinfeld was always the worst part of seinfeld."
OTM, quite.
― slightly more subdued (kenan), Sunday, 1 May 2005 02:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 1 May 2005 02:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― slightly more subdued (kenan), Sunday, 1 May 2005 02:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― slightly more subdued (kenan), Sunday, 1 May 2005 02:48 (eighteen years ago) link
" The show could almost do completely without Jerry. "
COMPLETELY FUCKING INSANE.
Youre right, hes not the straight man. But he is completely necessary, he is the equilibrium between George/Neroutic and Kramer/Psychotic. Im not as religious about the show as most people, but the Sienfeld IS classic, no question about it, lock thread, give it up, goodnight.
― JD from CDepot, Sunday, 1 May 2005 03:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― ()ops (()()ps), Sunday, 1 May 2005 04:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― ()ops (()()ps), Sunday, 1 May 2005 04:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 1 May 2005 07:59 (eighteen years ago) link
he's not merely a straight man, tho he is that. well, how does a straight man function? is he a stand in for the audience? a measure of normalcy with which we can identify?
if that's the case i think jerry is something slightly different--think of the "Even Stephen" espisode where everything in Jerry's life balances out--he's completely invincible! no emotions, not a care in the world, completely childish in a sense. those are the best espisodes. that sort of cheerful nihilism (almost a kind of zen!) makes him a pretty unique character because he is totally devoid of "conflicts"--even his clean freak stuff is meant to remove him from us once again, he can't even stand to be around humanity. whenever, esp in the later episodes, jerry becomes more human it's not as convincing, and is probably the source of people complaining about him being a dead weight.
― ryan (ryan), Sunday, 1 May 2005 15:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 2 May 2005 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link
So one for the time capsule, but I doubt I'll ever rent the DVDs.
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 2 May 2005 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link
i want this framed and on my wall:
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/4333/seinfelds6e48sl.jpg
― sunny successor (katharine), Friday, 23 June 2006 13:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 23 June 2006 13:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Friday, 23 June 2006 13:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Friday, 23 June 2006 16:51 (seventeen years ago) link
Was a little disappointed with the finales but hey ho.
I think my particular favourite episode would have to be the Merv Griffin show, all the main characters have great plotlines in this one I thought - Jerry's obsession with his girlfriends toys, George and his pigeon problem, Elaine and the sidler, and of course Kramer pretending to host a chat show is just the greatest thing I've ever seen. When he plays the music tape for George's entrance. Hilarious!
― Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:42 (seventeen years ago) link
ewww!
― sunny successor (katharine), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:18 (seventeen years ago) link
Classic.
― shorty (shorty), Thursday, 12 October 2006 15:48 (seventeen years ago) link
― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 12 October 2006 16:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dr. Alicia D. Titsovich (sexyDancer), Thursday, 12 October 2006 17:54 (seventeen years ago) link
― sunny successor (katharine), Thursday, 12 October 2006 17:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― Super Cub (Debito), Thursday, 12 October 2006 18:01 (seventeen years ago) link
OMFG I made this connection only recently too after watching this episode several times. GENIUS!
Jay Peterman is by far the funniest sub character ever created in the history of the earth. Costanza obv wins the main prize.
― Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 12 October 2006 18:08 (seventeen years ago) link
Heh heh heh, yep! I'm not sure if my wife was more amused at making the abortion/pizza connection or the look on my face, which as she describes it was a combination of being impressed with the writing and pissed-off that I didn't figure it out after all these years. :-|
― shorty (shorty), Thursday, 12 October 2006 18:26 (seventeen years ago) link
total otm
― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 12 October 2006 18:27 (seventeen years ago) link
― roc u like a § (ex machina), Thursday, 12 October 2006 18:47 (seventeen years ago) link
― sunny successor (katharine), Thursday, 12 October 2006 18:48 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dr. Alicia D. Titsovich (sexyDancer), Thursday, 12 October 2006 18:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― roc u like a § (ex machina), Thursday, 12 October 2006 18:54 (seventeen years ago) link
Torrent of all episodes of Seinfeld ever was at 19.8% when I left for work this morning.
― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 12 October 2006 18:56 (seventeen years ago) link
right up to this point, it's the classic sitcom setup, right out of "the honeymooners," and as old as shakespeare.
but now comes the twist: the boss proposes an utterly condescending, mean-spirited toast to "our shrimpy little friend here" whose "antics we've always enjoyed," and so on. george's face freezes in a moment of self-loathing and perverse glee, and he blurts out: "DRINK UP!"
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 12 October 2006 23:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 12 October 2006 23:49 (seventeen years ago) link
X-post
And surely Larry is a combination of Jerry and George?
― nickn (nickn), Thursday, 12 October 2006 23:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 12 October 2006 23:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 12 October 2006 23:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― disappointing goth fest line-up (orion), Friday, 13 October 2006 00:21 (seventeen years ago) link
Once you turn on Roz Chast, you can never go back. What used to be a little funny or insightful is suddenly insipid and played-out. My guess is that this occurs within the first year of a subscription to the New Yorker. -- patita (muzee...), October 12th, 2006 10:04 AM. (later)
It pretty much describes how I feel about Seinfeld in 2006 (minus the New Yorker part). I loved this show madly, but in my view it isn't funny 85-90% of the times that it was in the 90's. Maybe it just hasn't aged well in my view.
― researching ur life (grady), Friday, 13 October 2006 01:48 (seventeen years ago) link
"year"
― a portal to squee heaven (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 13 October 2006 02:33 (seventeen years ago) link
I just fucking love George to bits. Jason Alexander has done a wonderful job of making such a spiteful hated little man into someone you can't take your eyes off watching.
Here's my list of favourite George moments:
Leaving his car parked in the Yankee stadium, to give the illusion to his superiors that he's working all hours.
His 'vertical leap' boast
his 'reverse parking' boast
his 'great parking space' boast, in the hospital visiting the new born babies parents "are you sure the baby wouldn't like to see the parking spot?"
pretending to be handicapped
Slipping the mickey into his bosses drink
cheating on his iq test by slipping his paper out the window to elaine
cheating on his latvian orthodox test, writing notes on his arm
again by writing crib notes on his arm, learning the 'move'
his answering machine, the whole episode George is avoiding his girlfriend because he thinks she wants to split up with him, he wants to take her to a works ball. his theory, if she can't find him, she can't break up with him.
eating the half eaten chocolate eclair out the bin.
taking his shirt off when he goes to the bathroom
When George and Susan are shopping for wedding invitations, the shop assistant brings out a huge catalogue and states "the more expensive ones are at the front". George grabs the catalogue and immediately flings it open from the back.
That whole Susan dieing episode, at the end. crazy
leaving a tape recording the Foundation meeting, due to paranoia that they're accusing him of killing Susan
The worlds collide episode, George losing it about Elaine wanting to be friends with Susan. Elaine rings up and George is reluctant to hand the phone over to Susan.
George persistantly trying to prevent the couple from stealing his idea about calling a child 'Seven', even to the point of badgering the mother when she's in labour. "I'm a friend of the mother, I'm having sex with her cousin"
Buying Elaine the damaged jumper, with the red dot on, because it was cheap
Walking out on a high note. George realises that once he's made a huge funny in his office meetings he just ends up saying something dumb soon after. So he develops a habit of just getting up and leaving after delivering a good joke. Particular funny when he performs this routine in Jerry's apartment.
pretending to look angry to create the illusion he's busy at work
reluctantly giving his debit card code out to save a mans life.
Georges 'man love' for Jerry.
Georges 'man crush' for Elaines 'cool' rush-junkie boyfriend.
wanting to appear to be the funniest member of the group for his new girlfriend, making jerry act depressed.
when he taunts the shackled prisoner guy in the magazine shop, "maybe I'll read it in the park tomorrow, it's supposed to be a beautiful day!"
His 'fire escape' involving knocking down old ladies and children to get out first. and then his amazing reasoning to everyone afterwards. Jerry's reaction in the coffee shop later "perhaps she'll see things differently once she's released from the burns unit".
The whole marriage thing, regretting it immediately and spending episode after episode trying to postpone it. "When are you getting married?", Susan: "June", George: "Late June"
When Jerry asks him to pretend he doesn't know him in The Race episode, they chat like they've just met after five years and George goes into lie overload. Ends up almost walking away without getting to the point of why they're lieing in the first place.
In the car dealer shop, George refuses to trust any of the salesmen and OMG it's just so fucking funny.
Jerry: "It's a perfect plan. So inspired. So devious. Yet so simple."George: "This is what I do"
― Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 13 October 2006 10:12 (seventeen years ago) link
Other George highlights:
"The sea was angry that day my friends... like an old man trying to send back soup in a deli" from The Marine Biologist.
"A simple joke, from a simple man," he tells Jerry in The Abstinence, in which he's turning into a genius because he's 'not getting any', and ponders the idea that maybe he should just never have sex again, 'maybe I can serve the world better this way'.
But the most brilliant, mindblowing George episode for me is The Opposite, when he finds his 'religion' in ignoring everything his instinct ever told him, and to do the opposite. "Hi... my name is George, I'm unemployed and I live with my parents."
Oh and Dr. Carl Sagan completely OTM, it keeps me going as well, I cannot get enough.
― Gerard (Gerard), Friday, 13 October 2006 10:31 (seventeen years ago) link
Jerry: "All right, you're on a desert island. You can bring five books. Which five do you take?"George: "I gotta read five books?"Jerry: "All right, one. Come on!"George: "Oh, I got it. Three Musketeers."Jerry: "You've read that?"George: "No, I'm saving it for the island."Jerry: "Let's start this whole thing over. Best Chamberlain: Wilt, Richard, or Neville?"George: "For the desert island?"Jerry: "OK."George: "Richard."Jerry: "You know, he was in The Three Musketeers."George: "Exactly. Save me from having to read the book."
― peter in montreal (spaces are allowed), Friday, 13 October 2006 14:05 (seventeen years ago) link
― tremendoid (tremendoid), Friday, 13 October 2006 19:47 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 13 October 2006 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link
― shorty (shorty), Friday, 13 October 2006 21:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― nickn (nickn), Friday, 13 October 2006 21:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― How do you say 'creepy' in French? (kenan), Friday, 13 October 2006 21:58 (seventeen years ago) link
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 14 October 2006 01:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 18 October 2006 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 21:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― researching ur life (grady), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 21:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 22 January 2007 01:08 (seventeen years ago) link
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:48 (sixteen years ago) link
― Abbott, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:55 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuHcNkLo8Ok
― ian, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 04:33 (fifteen years ago) link
this kid's videos are an absolute goldmine of lols.
― ian, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 04:39 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pkfPDPKfpg&feature=related
I didn't lol till the end credits.
― Alba, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 08:17 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4rd7I0Q75o
― Lolpez, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 17:07 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't know what it has to do with Seinfeld but it sure is funky.
― Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 17:50 (fifteen years ago) link
Seinfeld hate is insane. What else do you hate? Christmas? Batman? Love?
― Niles Caulder, Tuesday, 9 December 2008 12:02 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/miami-dade/story/823440.html
― total mormon cockblock extravaganza (jaymc), Tuesday, 23 December 2008 22:26 (fifteen years ago) link
there was a festivus set-up in DC when i was there this weekend.
― ian, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 01:31 (fifteen years ago) link
By all that is holy, Seinfeld should be entirely unwatchable. The acting is rather awful and overdrawn. The writing is peculiar, but hardly great. I still wonder why it is moderately amusing. I suspect it may have something to do with the strange medium of television, or else the cuteness of Elaine.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 01:46 (fifteen years ago) link
Seinfeld succeeds because everyone secretly identifies with George.
― ian, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 01:49 (fifteen years ago) link
"everyone"
― Aimless, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 01:52 (fifteen years ago) link
i dont identify with him as much as want to be him
― choom gangsta (deej), Wednesday, 24 December 2008 02:25 (fifteen years ago) link
everything else about seinfeld>>>>>>>cuteness of elaine
and I will admit, elaine is damn cute
― sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 02:29 (fifteen years ago) link
this might be another case of british vs. american tastes in humor.
― ian, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 03:01 (fifteen years ago) link
the top rated british sitcoms of all time feature men in frilly shirts with stupid accents going all king george this, and fish and chips that. of curse they wouldn't get seinfeld
― burt_stanton, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 03:07 (fifteen years ago) link
Two nations divided by uncommon sitcoms?
― Aimless, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 03:10 (fifteen years ago) link
the british seinfeld:
― burt_stanton, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 03:10 (fifteen years ago) link
this was supposed to be the summer of george
― omg grapeHOOS superman (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 24 December 2008 03:12 (fifteen years ago) link
Post-Arrested Development/It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia this show doesn't really grab me by the booboo like it once did.
― "I Like My Hogen-Mogen" (nickalicious), Wednesday, 24 December 2008 03:14 (fifteen years ago) link
One feels compelled to note the outstanding solo careers of all the principal actors after leaving this show. Bee Movie, anyone?
― Aimless, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 03:15 (fifteen years ago) link
in britain its the summer of king george
― eman cipation s1ocklamation (max), Wednesday, 24 December 2008 03:15 (fifteen years ago) link
I, II, or III?
― Aimless, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 03:17 (fifteen years ago) link
whatever one we took ourselves from you guys from
― burt_stanton, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 03:20 (fifteen years ago) link
From us Oregonians?? Or were you thinking something else?
― Aimless, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 03:21 (fifteen years ago) link
Oh, I thought you were British. Who cares about you then
― burt_stanton, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 03:21 (fifteen years ago) link
My mother, sweet old lady that she is.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 03:23 (fifteen years ago) link
Jesus, or so I heard.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 03:25 (fifteen years ago) link
Everyone I owe money to.
The makers of laxatives.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 03:26 (fifteen years ago) link
hayy burt i was thinking slash hoping maybe you could talk about how claxxxic nyc shows like seinfeld have influenced today's metro area hipter youth and what girls who wear mid-90s blazers to shows are like. other topics for your consideration: how much realer seinfeld is than friends, anti-semitism in america
i think this show is classic btw
― delicate mouse tune, crash of cat chords (Lamp), Wednesday, 24 December 2008 03:31 (fifteen years ago) link
so many people so wrong on this thread
― J.D., Wednesday, 24 December 2008 06:40 (fifteen years ago) link
Almost every britisher I know who has seen this show loves it. The problem is a lot of them haven't seen it. It was shunted around the schedules, usually late on BBC2. If it had a C4 8pm friday slot (or something) we wouldn't even be having this debate.
― Not me I'm the Emotional Type (Ned Trifle II), Wednesday, 24 December 2008 08:11 (fifteen years ago) link
there's an awful lot of shouting in the earlier seasons isn't there.
― Ant Attack.. (Ste), Sunday, 1 February 2009 00:50 (fifteen years ago) link
shouting and silence
― there was zarana (tremendoid), Sunday, 1 February 2009 02:01 (fifteen years ago) link
seinfeld at its peak: classic
last two seasons: terrible
― as much dandelion as you can put in there (latebloomer), Sunday, 1 February 2009 02:43 (fifteen years ago) link
I prefer Curb Your Enthusiasm because it has cursing and no annoying laughtrack. Man I fucking hate laughtrack. But Seinfeld was pretty damn classic, yes.
Last two seasons were terrible. Larry David picking up the prostitute just so he can drive in the carpool lane was funnier than every episode of the last two seasons of Seinfeld put together.
― Mr. Snrub, Sunday, 1 February 2009 03:08 (fifteen years ago) link
wasn't seinfeld taped in front of an actual audience, hence actual laughter (as opposed to a 'laugh track', '60s sitcom style)?
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Sunday, 1 February 2009 05:03 (fifteen years ago) link
That's weird, I just had a conversation earlier tonight about whether or not Seinfeld was taped in front of an audience.
― Bianca Jagger (jaymc), Sunday, 1 February 2009 06:27 (fifteen years ago) link
i was playing the Seinfeld trivia game tonight.
― locally groan (carne asada), Sunday, 1 February 2009 06:31 (fifteen years ago) link
was there a question about whether or not seinfeld was taped in front of an audience?
― aaron d.g., Sunday, 1 February 2009 06:45 (fifteen years ago) link
that one didn't come up.
― locally groan (carne asada), Sunday, 1 February 2009 06:47 (fifteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTSdUOC8Kac
― am0n, Monday, 29 June 2009 15:27 (fourteen years ago) link
Dud.
― EZ Snappin, Monday, 29 June 2009 15:38 (fourteen years ago) link
xpost. Heavy, heavy lols.
― the shock will be coupled with the need to dance (jim), Monday, 29 June 2009 16:34 (fourteen years ago) link
also kind of weird, I watched an episode of Family Guy on Saturday night where Patrick Stewart mentions the McDLT and it was the first time I'd ever heard of it. Now this is the second time I ever heard of it. The idea is quite puzzling to me. I've never had a big mac and thought, "shit, I wish the vegetables on this were cooler". I've thought "shit I wish the meat on this was more edible" but that's about it.
― the shock will be coupled with the need to dance (jim), Monday, 29 June 2009 16:39 (fourteen years ago) link
congratulations, you have debunked a long-defunct hamburger idea from the 1980s.
― Michael tapeworm much talent for the future (s1ocki), Monday, 29 June 2009 16:41 (fourteen years ago) link
:*-(
― the shock will be coupled with the need to dance (jim), Monday, 29 June 2009 16:41 (fourteen years ago) link
We didn't have them in Britain and even if we did I'm too young. Not trying to set McDonalds to rights retroactively from 20 years in the future. Just found it a bit quizzical is all.
― the shock will be coupled with the need to dance (jim), Monday, 29 June 2009 16:42 (fourteen years ago) link
they don't ever drink on seinfeld
― can i ox (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 19 August 2009 18:44 (fourteen years ago) link
they eat instead
― Ømår Littel (Jordan), Wednesday, 19 August 2009 18:47 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS4QGAtrCk8
― De Mysteriis Dom Passantino (jim), Wednesday, 19 August 2009 18:50 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgXAt_gstcs
― mo radalj, Wednesday, 19 August 2009 18:55 (fourteen years ago) link
Seinfeld is kind of Cheers in a diner (and an apartment) so yeah not as much drinking. i'm sure if they actually followed Jerry's life as a comedian outside of occasional stand-up segments more than a handful of times that wouldn't have been the case.
― some dude, Wednesday, 19 August 2009 19:23 (fourteen years ago) link
schnapps is the key to elaine's or jerry's lockbox tho
― cool app (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 19 August 2009 19:32 (fourteen years ago) link
good call
http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DSkCKxKAtCQs
― Ømår Littel (Jordan), Wednesday, 19 August 2009 19:38 (fourteen years ago) link
forgot about kramer
― can i ox (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 19 August 2009 20:42 (fourteen years ago) link
forgot about kray
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xi4O1yi6b0
― Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 19 August 2009 20:50 (fourteen years ago) link
I think my particular favourite episode would have to be the Merv Griffin show,
Just watched this episode the other day, I couldn't breath with laughing. Seriously one of the all time best ones.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mxhs-O_9BLc
― Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 19 August 2009 21:02 (fourteen years ago) link
who's dancin?
― ❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Wednesday, 19 August 2009 21:03 (fourteen years ago) link
huh?
you want me to get it started? alright, i'll get it started
also in that one they get a woman drunk to play with her toys
xp
― Ømår Littel (Jordan), Wednesday, 19 August 2009 21:07 (fourteen years ago) link
JERRY: I didn't know she had a pony. How was I to know she had a pony? Who figures an immigrant's going to have a pony? Do you know what the odds are on that? I mean, in all the pictures I saw of immigrants on boats coming into New York harbor, I never saw one of them sitting on a pony. Why would anybody come here if they had a pony? Who leaves a country packed with ponies to come to a non-pony country? It doesn't make sense!.. am I wrong?
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 19 August 2009 22:34 (fourteen years ago) link
I might be one of those people who references Seinfeld way too often.
― Sunny River, Friday, 21 August 2009 01:03 (fourteen years ago) link
would anyone be interested in polling the seinfeld seasons? like, each season for best episode? or would it make ile too much like ilm?
― truth bomber ginsburg (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 27 September 2009 05:57 (fourteen years ago) link
i would participate in these threads with joy tbh. give me an excuse to re-watch eps i don't remember. i love seinfeld so much.
― ian, Sunday, 27 September 2009 05:59 (fourteen years ago) link
i would enjoy this v much too but i don't want to turn into clog ile after complaining about ilm being clogged!
― truth bomber ginsburg (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 27 September 2009 06:20 (fourteen years ago) link
"I'm down baby! Put me down!"
Do it Jordan! :)
― young depardieu looming out of void in hour of profound triumph (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 27 September 2009 14:14 (fourteen years ago) link
http://aycu04.webshots.com/image/20003/2005827915167364221_rs.jpg
― Ned Trifle II, Sunday, 27 September 2009 14:21 (fourteen years ago) link
big salad episode is my favorite episode of all time
― u madoff (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 04:14 (fourteen years ago) link
imagine that... her taking credit for your big salad
― u madoff (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 04:15 (fourteen years ago) link
- big salad- kramer & steven dennison & the murder of the drycleaner- newman dumped the girl that jerry is dating - elaine being stalked by the mechanical pencil guy
― u madoff (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 22 October 2009 04:17 (fourteen years ago) link
Anybody know what kind of computer Seinfeld has in the episode where Lloyd and George are competing to sell uh... computers out of the garage? When kramer makes a front porch in the hall. It was strange looking and I'm very curious.
― Evan, Thursday, 4 March 2010 06:07 (fourteen years ago) link
ah the you mean the computer that looks like a flat folding tablet screen with a strange large empty area underneath the screen. erm i dunno
― bracken free ditch (Ste), Thursday, 4 March 2010 12:54 (fourteen years ago) link
was it this?
http://www.marialanger.com/wp-content/images/macosvqs/TAM.jpg
― bracken free ditch (Ste), Thursday, 4 March 2010 15:17 (fourteen years ago) link
- newman dumped the girl that jerry is dating
elaine: maybe there's more to newman than meets the eye?jerry: no -- there's less
― jerk orbison (another al3x), Thursday, 4 March 2010 20:50 (fourteen years ago) link
Yes Ste, thank you! What an odd thing that is.
― Evan, Friday, 5 March 2010 00:06 (fourteen years ago) link
Jerry: All I could think of was when I was looking at her face was; Newman found this unacceptable.
― DJ Get Up Kids (jim in glasgow), Friday, 5 March 2010 00:26 (fourteen years ago) link
:-)
― HOOM gang (J0rdan S.), Friday, 5 March 2010 00:28 (fourteen years ago) link
jerry's twitter account got hacked? https://twitter.com/jerry_seinfeld
― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 03:01 (thirteen years ago) link
it's good to know me and jerry both follow john mayer
― FRIDGED WAG MANPAIN syndrome (zorn_bond.mp3), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 03:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Don Tyson, America's Chicken King, has died. Seinfeld fans will know him best as Don Tyler, head of Tyler Chicken. Alcoholic Chicken!
― andrew m., Thursday, 6 January 2011 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Classic; but I never found the characters funny. The situations, yes, Kramer, no.
― heh (kelpolaris), Thursday, 6 January 2011 18:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Kramer is awful
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 6 January 2011 18:48 (thirteen years ago) link
WHAT. Horseshit....Kramer and George top two characters on the show. Come on, Kramer modeling for Calvin Klein "his buttocks are sublime".
― cocklamoose (chrisv2010), Thursday, 6 January 2011 18:49 (thirteen years ago) link
I have to say the same for the rest of the cast, tho. I always thought Jerry was rude, pretentious and annoying; George is one-dimensionally pathetic... Elaine wasn't so bad. Like I said, the situations and ordeals they were given were ingenious but I was never satisfied with the way they handled them nor and never found their dialog particularly funny.
I just loved the "Oh yeah! That happens/I think that/all the time" (like the age old: does she have one dress, or dozens of the same dress question)situations, and what mostly motivated me to watch another episode if my grammar isn't totally off by this far in the sentence.
― heh (kelpolaris), Thursday, 6 January 2011 18:52 (thirteen years ago) link
the fuck kinda revive is this
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 6 January 2011 18:53 (thirteen years ago) link
i think the show should have been called Costanza...because i always found jerry the most useless of all the characters.
― cocklamoose (chrisv2010), Thursday, 6 January 2011 18:55 (thirteen years ago) link
The Opposite = best episode of an American sitcom possibly *ever*?
This behind the scenes doc kicked off a big Seinfeld revival for me a year or so back:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZtu2WBO48U
― piscesx, Thursday, 6 January 2011 19:08 (thirteen years ago) link
<3 <3 <3 <3 <3
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 6 January 2011 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link
I always thought Jerry was rude, pretentious and annoying; George is one-dimensionally pathetic
isn't this the point of the characters (and the show!) rather than a flaw?
― ryan, Thursday, 6 January 2011 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link
and not sure what multi-dimensionally pathetic would even entail!
yeah "The Opposite" is one of the best things ever
xxxp
― peter in montreal, Thursday, 6 January 2011 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link
even multiverse george is pathetic?
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 6 January 2011 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link
i kind of want to see a version of hamlet where wayne knight plays everyone.
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 6 January 2011 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
It's weird how much of my generation (born in the mid 80s) have gotten into this show 6-7 years after it ended (myself included), considering most of us hated it when it was on. It's one of the few sitcoms that most teenagers (esp. those aged 13-16) wouldn't be able to understand why it was so funny.
― frogbs, Thursday, 6 January 2011 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Favorite lines from Seinfeld?
― cocklamoose (chrisv2010), Thursday, 6 January 2011 20:06 (thirteen years ago) link
They were showing the puffy shirt episode in syndication last night, which I believe was my original apotheosis moment with Seinfeld (not only the soft talker and the shirt, but George's hand modeling career).
This is probably one of the funniest shows ever created.
― Indolence Mission (DJP), Thursday, 6 January 2011 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link
claaaaassic
― carles II of spain (max arrrrrgh), Thursday, 6 January 2011 22:10 (thirteen years ago) link
george is the best character, btw. never understood why this wasn't bigger in the uk.
― carles II of spain (max arrrrrgh), Thursday, 6 January 2011 22:11 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i55.tinypic.com/jjl192.gif
― Cunga, Thursday, 6 January 2011 22:22 (thirteen years ago) link
i've been enjoying the episode write-ups on the av club
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Thursday, 6 January 2011 22:23 (thirteen years ago) link
literally wellwhatcanyoudo.gif xpost
― Cunga, Thursday, 6 January 2011 22:24 (thirteen years ago) link
ve been enjoying the episode write-ups on the av club― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Thursday, January 6, 2011 3:23 PM (31 seconds ago) Bookmark
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I read that a lot... it isn't distributed outside of Denver & Chicago, is it?
― heh (kelpolaris), Thursday, 6 January 2011 22:25 (thirteen years ago) link
IMO the hidden strength of the show for me is the minor characters. Newman especially, but also George's parents, Puddy, Uncle Leo, Peterman, Susan...all great supporting roles. The show was great no matter who was on the screen. Even most of the extras/one-episode characters were great.
― frogbs, Thursday, 6 January 2011 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link
the paper version of the onion is still around in madison and milwaukee, not sure where else (it's all online obv.)
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Thursday, 6 January 2011 22:27 (thirteen years ago) link
It's weird how much of my generation (born in the mid 80s) have gotten into this show 6-7 years after it ended (myself included), considering most of us hated it when it was on. It's one of the few sitcoms that most teenagers (esp. those aged 13-16) wouldn't be able to understand why it was so funny.― frogbs, Thursday, January 6, 2011 2:03 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
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This. I only got into watching it after I saw the first season of Curb Your Enthusiasm.
― dan m, Thursday, 6 January 2011 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link
^coming from the aforementioned GENERATION X (*arms cross*) most dudes I know were watching this in middle-school, under influence of their parents. I guess it's also the result of going being friends with a lot of Jewish kids as well.
― heh (kelpolaris), Thursday, 6 January 2011 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah I'm gen x too I guess, I just didn't have TV growing up
― dan m, Thursday, 6 January 2011 22:40 (thirteen years ago) link
George's parents, his dad especially, make me lose my shit every time they are on screen.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 6 January 2011 22:47 (thirteen years ago) link
spanish teacher of mine in high-school used to call me "senor puddy" b/c apparently i'm a doppleganger for the dude - husky, brawny, moronic type. i didn't really realize how insulting it actually kinda was til i started watching the series; but the name-calling was kinda mutual amongst everyone in the class.
― heh (kelpolaris), Thursday, 6 January 2011 22:55 (thirteen years ago) link
I got into the show in 8th grade, during its second (?) season. I was a fairly indiscriminate fan of sitcoms at the time, but Seinfeld's particular brand of humor did speak to me.
― Zsa Zsa Gay Bar (jaymc), Thursday, 6 January 2011 23:00 (thirteen years ago) link
I can't see, or really appreciate, this objectively still because it was so omnipresent and has always been on syndication since it left the air. So it's like a 90s song that you can't judge because you don't have fresh ears for it.
― Cunga, Thursday, 6 January 2011 23:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Don't understand? ^ I feel the issues they pose in each and every episode are kinda those things that are going to be forever relevant to anything post-90's.
― heh (kelpolaris), Thursday, 6 January 2011 23:06 (thirteen years ago) link
big show for me while it was on, remember watching the final episode with friends the night I was leaving college for the summer after my freshman year and flying to visit my family in Hong Kong
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 6 January 2011 23:07 (thirteen years ago) link
No, I understand it and enjoy it, but it's that I a lot of episodes when I was younger -- maybe it's just me personally. I guess it'd be like if you were born in the 70s, had heard the Beatles since you were born, and there comes a certain point where you became spoiled and almost dismiss their work in favor of other pop that isn't as familiar, but then later you can hear it again.
― Cunga, Thursday, 6 January 2011 23:10 (thirteen years ago) link
I had seen glimpses of, say, the Soup Nazi episode or the "Not that there's anything wrong with that!" episode, but I was still pretty new to the show when I bought the Seinfeld complete DVD set a couple months ago. It's now my favorite show of all time. I am absolutely obsessed. Even the not-so-great ones like "The Blood" and "The Dog" still have their moments. I also give this show an enormous amount of credit for quitting when it was time to quit, rather than sticking around forever and tarnishing their legacy and turning into The Simpsons.
Why did everyone hate the final episode? Surely the fans had a better reason to moan than "Oh I didn't want to see our heroes get thrown into the slammer!" Whatever. I roffled. "Now! It is Babu's turn to mock! They're very very bad people!" (plus the finger thing) Classic!
Interesting (but not all that suprising, really) to read that Seinfeld was a flop in the UK.
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 6 January 2011 23:48 (thirteen years ago) link
No, I understand it and enjoy it
Oops, sorry, my short-script way of writing tends to confuse people. I meant *I* don't understand - I wasn't questioning whether you understood the series or whatever. But I can kinda see what you're talking about now.
― heh (kelpolaris), Thursday, 6 January 2011 23:56 (thirteen years ago) link
My wife and I gave up sugar/caffeine/meat/dairy/booze for a week and it's made her super focused and smart and turned me into a complete idiot - the past few days have been a series of jokes about her learning to speak Portuguese and me clapping happily about shiny spinning things, ala George and Elaine when they both gave up sex.
I totally loved this show, then watched way too much of it when it was constantly on reruns and we only had antenna TV and I got so sick of it. But it's been long enough that I actually want to watch it again.
― joygoat, Friday, 7 January 2011 00:08 (thirteen years ago) link
i was born in '81, and enjoyed it from about the age of 13/14 when they started showing it on bbc 2 in the evenings. it did take me a while to get into it though, didn't really get it at first. although NOBODY else in my entire school as far as i know watched the show. either never seen it, or just didn't get the humour.
― carles II of spain (max arrrrrgh), Friday, 7 January 2011 00:09 (thirteen years ago) link
It wasn't really a flop in the UK. On terrestrial TV it was only really aired late at night (around 11pm) on BBC2 midweek, and never really promoted.
It got a cult following, and it became a cliche to moan about how shabbily the BBC treated it. I once heard that it was because Alan Yentob, then the controller of BBC2, just didn't like it.
If it had had a 9 or 10pm slot on Fridays on Channel 4, which was the classic slot for US sitcoms, I suspect it would have been a hit.
― Alba, Friday, 7 January 2011 00:19 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm not sure. even most people i know who like "curb" have never really gotten into it. i can only think of one other person i know irl who's a fan.
― carles II of spain (max arrrrrgh), Friday, 7 January 2011 00:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah only time I saw it,being a young child at the time,was when I had the flu and so was allowed to have telly on that late. I remember finding it funny but not getting a lot of it,the sponges for instance.
Yeah I know hardly anyone who watches it yet know plenty who watch curb.
― À la recherche du temps Pardew (jim in glasgow), Friday, 7 January 2011 00:24 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm always flabbergasted by US sitcom literacy when UK sitcom literacy in America usually stops at "Are You Being Served"
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 7 January 2011 00:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Most of my friends in Glasgow were fans. Odd.
― Alba, Friday, 7 January 2011 00:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Xp. Not really that surprising surely? Majority of films at the cinema are american and tv,and sitcoms most of all,is done a lot better in america.
― À la recherche du temps Pardew (jim in glasgow), Friday, 7 January 2011 00:30 (thirteen years ago) link
"Americans make the BEST shit sandwiches!"
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 January 2011 00:34 (thirteen years ago) link
if that metallica song, "sad but true", was a gif, I'd post it right here.
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 7 January 2011 00:38 (thirteen years ago) link
― frogbs, Thursday, January 6, 2011 3:03 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark
are you kidding i was watching the shit out of seinfeld when i was 11... it was pretty much the comedic landmark of my early-mid teens
― Princess TamTam, Friday, 7 January 2011 00:41 (thirteen years ago) link
I wouldn't say British sitcoms are widely popular in the US but there's definitely a strong cult audience. I discovered Father Ted through my local video store when I lived in Richmond, Va., you can find the ILX thread where lots of American posters were sure the U.S. "Office" wouldn't live up to the UK "Office," etc.
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 7 January 2011 00:42 (thirteen years ago) link
father ted is probs my fave sitcom, seinfeld is top 5 for sure, tho.
― carles II of spain (max arrrrrgh), Friday, 7 January 2011 00:48 (thirteen years ago) link
i remember when the finale aired i was in like 7th grade and i tried bringing it up to classmates and they were all 'huh?'
― Princess TamTam, Friday, 7 January 2011 00:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Is there a UK version of seinfeld? I always thought of coupling as a UK version of friends (similarly insipid but about 1000x more cleverly written).
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 7 January 2011 01:01 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.sitcom.co.uk/sitcoms/baddiels_syndrome.shtml
― Alba, Friday, 7 January 2011 01:11 (thirteen years ago) link
alan yentob otm imo
― all i gotta do is akh nachivly (darraghmac), Friday, 7 January 2011 01:15 (thirteen years ago) link
A lot of the appeal of Seinfeld comes from New York attitudes & culture. It's not going to translate well to pish-posh London.
― heh (kelpolaris), Friday, 7 January 2011 01:25 (thirteen years ago) link
But somehow appealed to the rest of america?
― À la recherche du temps Pardew (jim in glasgow), Friday, 7 January 2011 01:26 (thirteen years ago) link
I didn't say it was exclusively New Yorker affair, but it was definitely there. I remember the episode about locks, in which everybody knew the make and model number of their locks and what was the latest kind or whatever - and this wasn't part of the joke.
― heh (kelpolaris), Friday, 7 January 2011 01:29 (thirteen years ago) link
although NOBODY else in my entire school as far as i know watched the show. either never seen it, or just didn't get the humour.
Ha, I totally bonded with a girl in 9th grade b/c she was the only other person I knew who watched it. (She was also the only Jewish person I knew.) That started to change about a year later -- not sure whether because my peer group was getting older or because the show had started to attract more fans across the board.
― Zsa Zsa Gay Bar (jaymc), Friday, 7 January 2011 01:29 (thirteen years ago) link
i think the jewish connection is otm. all my peers and i watched this really from like 5th grade and on (went to an all jewish school)
― Mordy, Friday, 7 January 2011 01:32 (thirteen years ago) link
I loved Seinfeld when it was on but it was always second to NewsRadio IMO. I haven't watched it much since it ended but I've definitely seen every episode multiple times. Some of the living-in-NYC jokes of course fell flat to me, but the show had a lot more than just "lol new york!" going for it.
I have never been able to enjoy Curb Your Enthus. though.
― no pop, no style -- all simply (Viceroy), Friday, 7 January 2011 01:57 (thirteen years ago) link
And its definitely a cultural touchstone for Millennials so I don't know wtf this "my generation hated it" shit is all about...
― no pop, no style -- all simply (Viceroy), Friday, 7 January 2011 01:59 (thirteen years ago) link
It took me years to discover that Seinfeld was absolute fucking genius. I think what did it for me was watching it on an acid comedown. Specifically, this scene had me in absolute hysterics:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BurZnaBas6U
― /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\||||||( *__* )||||||/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ (res), Friday, 7 January 2011 02:02 (thirteen years ago) link
ah, maybe that needs to be contextualized to understand.
― /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\||||||( *__* )||||||/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ (res), Friday, 7 January 2011 02:03 (thirteen years ago) link
LOL just write-it-off!! A classic bit!
― no pop, no style -- all simply (Viceroy), Friday, 7 January 2011 02:05 (thirteen years ago) link
According to the "making of" documentary that comes with the season one DVD's, all the major networks turned down the pilot in part because the humor was "too Jewish." WTF does that even mean?
― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 7 January 2011 02:50 (thirteen years ago) link
completely irrelevant, yet relevant:
Journalist/critic Frank Lovece in Newsday contrasted the humor tradition of Groening's two series, finding that, "The Simpsons echoes the strains of American-Irish vaudeville humor — the beer-soaked, sneaking-in-late-while-the-wife's-asleep comedy of Harrigan and Hart, McNulty and Murray, the Four Cohans (which, yes, included George M.) and countless others: knockabout yet sentimental, and ultimately about the bonds of blood family. Futurama, conversely, stems from Jewish-American humor, and not just in the obvious archetype of Dr. Zoidberg. From vaudeville to the Catskills to Woody Allen, it's that distinctly rueful humor built to ward away everything from despair to petty annoyance — the 'You gotta do what you gotta do' philosophy that helps the 'Futurama' characters cope in a mega-corporate world where the little guy is essentially powerless".[32] Animation maven Jerry Beck concurred: "I'm Jewish, and I know what you're saying. Fry has that [type of humor], Dr. Zoidberg, all the [vocal artist] Billy West characters. I see it. The bottom line is, the producers are trying to make sure the shows are completely different entities".[32]
― heh (kelpolaris), Friday, 7 January 2011 03:05 (thirteen years ago) link
ok hold on, lemme give you the gift of indentation:
Futurama, conversely, stems from Jewish-American humor, and not just in the obvious archetype of Dr. Zoidberg. From vaudeville to the Catskills to Woody Allen, it's that distinctly rueful humor built to ward away everything from despair to petty annoyance — the 'You gotta do what you gotta do' philosophy that helps the 'Futurama' characters cope in a mega-corporate world where the little guy is essentially powerless".[32]
Animation maven Jerry Beck concurred: "I'm Jewish, and I know what you're saying. Fry has that [type of humor], Dr. Zoidberg, all the [vocal artist] Billy West characters. I see it. The bottom line is, the producers are trying to make sure the shows are completely different entities".[32]
― heh (kelpolaris), Friday, 7 January 2011 03:06 (thirteen years ago) link
triple post, but "petty annoyance" stands out most. 95% of seinfeld episodes are about trivialities and making an extremely huge deal about them.
― heh (kelpolaris), Friday, 7 January 2011 03:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I was watching seinfeld pretty much from almost the beginning (first episode I remember seeing that made an impression on me was when George tried to poison his boss). I was 13 at the time (and non-jewish and not a new yorker) and it quickly became my second favorite show after the Simpsons, though I'm sure a lot of the humor went right over my head. So I don't really understand why people think teenagers wouldn't get this show.
If I remember correctly, the reason I started watching it in the first place was because it played immediately following Night Court.
― peter in montreal, Friday, 7 January 2011 03:14 (thirteen years ago) link
I remember being a fresman in HS and this dorky friend of mine kept asking me if I was watching this new show 'Seinfeld' and how it was so funny. I think it was a year before I actually saw an episode. But this show is epic and should easily win this poll!
― kind of chill and very rapegaze (rip van wanko), Friday, 7 January 2011 03:19 (thirteen years ago) link
it played immediately following Night Court.
My recollection was it was Unsolved Mysteries.
― /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\||||||( *__* )||||||/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ (res), Friday, 7 January 2011 03:20 (thirteen years ago) link
So I don't really understand why people think teenagers wouldn't get this show.
My three best friends in high school were fucking obsessed with this show and talked about it incessantly. I was the only one who didn't think it was exceptional-- maybe because it was too popular or something stupid like that. Boy, I really came around a decade-and-a-half later.
― /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\||||||( *__* )||||||/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ (res), Friday, 7 January 2011 03:25 (thirteen years ago) link
i actually remember when it was the seinfeld chronicles --i think i was in jr high & watched a shit ton of television & i was recommending it to my parents friends
― johnny crunch, Friday, 7 January 2011 03:28 (thirteen years ago) link
I thought the first two seasons were kind of weak. I don't think this show would have survived into its maturity in the current cutthroat climate of network television.
― /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\||||||( *__* )||||||/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ (res), Friday, 7 January 2011 03:30 (thirteen years ago) link
I think the first two seasons look weak now, but at the time I thought they were incredible. This was just on a whole other level compared to most sitcoms at the time.
― peter in montreal, Friday, 7 January 2011 03:39 (thirteen years ago) link
most dudes I know were watching this in middle-school, under influence of their parents
that was kind of my case. mom got really into it around '94-'95 when i was in 5th grade. followed the last few seasons and watched the hell out of the re-runs. i know and love Seinfeld pretty thoroughly.
― circa1916, Friday, 7 January 2011 03:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Well I'm not saying that teenagers in general wouldn't like it. High school students, I understand. When the last two seasons of Seinfeld were aired, I was 12-13 and thought the show was boring and couldn't understand what was supposed to be so funny about it. My parents watched it all the time. The "final episode" hysteria was huge. On the other hand, I did enjoy pretty much all the other sitcoms that were big ...Cosby, Home Improvement, Fresh Prince, etc. etc. Obviously your results may vary but nobody in my age group that I know ever liked the show when it aired, but in the last few years I'm seeing a huge wave of obsession over this show, something I've never really seen before. It's like if there was a sudden revival of interest in Arrested Development in 6-7 years from people who will then be in their early 20's. Looking back, it totally makes sense. A lot of the jokes are character based and deal with subtle social interactions and sex, stuff the average 13 year old knows nothing about.
― frogbs, Friday, 7 January 2011 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link
aside from Jerry Seinfeld's shoes, I think it's aged quite well.
― /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\||||||( *__* )||||||/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ (res), Friday, 7 January 2011 15:47 (thirteen years ago) link
I still find it odd people are still going on about Seinfeld's finale and yet seem relatively at ease about the scam that was Lost's. Like, I'm surprised no 4chan hackers or whatever sort took to arms and hacked into Damon Lindelof's...whatever thing.
― heh (kelpolaris), Friday, 7 January 2011 15:49 (thirteen years ago) link
I feel a lot like Cunga - in the US this show just became part of the fabric and furniture of life in the late 90s. There were reruns EVERY DAY, several times a day, for years and years after the last episode aired.
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 January 2011 15:51 (thirteen years ago) link
as bad as the seinfeld finale was, it was nowhere near as bad as the lost finale, which most Lost fans are mostly just trying to erase from their memory
of course, now I'm imagining a Seinfeld finale where they figure out that they're in purgatory and have been dead all along
― peter in montreal, Friday, 7 January 2011 15:53 (thirteen years ago) link
I didn't the Seinfeld finale was bad at all. It was poking fun at the inherent ridiculousness of the show's premise.
― /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\||||||( *__* )||||||/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ (res), Friday, 7 January 2011 15:56 (thirteen years ago) link
I can kind of understand the obsession with the fashion sense at the top of the thread. When I finally started getting into the re-runs I was almost fascinated and distracted by how plain all the characters were for people who lived in NYC. Not saying people like that don't exist in NYC, but they just seemed SO regular. Obviously if it was intentional it was so the show wouldn't alienate any viewers... just my theory.
― I will always think of you, while (quite) fondly, myself (Evan), Friday, 7 January 2011 16:00 (thirteen years ago) link
it's not a really moving or cathartic finale (like maybe MASH or Friends or ST:TNG which resolve major storylines), but i think it certainly holds its own against like Bob Newhart or St. Elsewhere for shticky conclusions and even better than St. Elsewhere where the finale didn't really fit the tone of the show it def fit Seinfeld's tone to have an irreverent take on the show finale. If it were any better an episode it wouldn't be that good. Were Elaine and Jerry going to finally become a couple again? Obv not.
― Mordy, Friday, 7 January 2011 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link
I was almost fascinated and distracted by how plain all the characters were for people who lived in NYC
As the series progressed they got much slicker, especially Elaine. I think part of it was fashion - the early 90s were still very much the 80s - but also part of it was higher budgets and a richer cast.
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 January 2011 16:11 (thirteen years ago) link
..and the general cult of affluence which took hold in the 90s, especially in New York.
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 January 2011 16:12 (thirteen years ago) link
i still watch the re-runs, they are broadcast on tnt and fox here.
― Moonlight Graham (chrisv2010), Friday, 7 January 2011 16:15 (thirteen years ago) link
tbs
I was really really into this show from about the beginning, which would mean i must have started watching it around 10 or at the latest right before i became a teenager. I'd never been to New York or known any Jews but it was still LOLtastic to me. I think it speaks to the success of the show that you can make something a 13-year-old kid will find fucking hilarious, even if he doesn't understand half of it. I don't remember not getting any parts of the show, but that is probably because it was so funny and i was laughing so consistently that even if i did miss something, it didnt affect my enjoyment one bit.
I think the only other show i looked forward to was the Simpsons, which kinda makes sense. Both are relentlessly witty and somewhat bitter, and both shows exuded a joyful surrealism that somehow felt more real than any watered-down traditional sitcom could hope to.
― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 7 January 2011 17:37 (thirteen years ago) link
A friend of mine made this interesting observation about Seinfeld: It's the one show where at the end of every episode, no one comes out better and everyone pretty much comes out worse. Their associations with each other never help each other, and only serve to drag them all down further. Nothing ever works out, and all their lives end up sucking.
― /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\||||||( *__* )||||||/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ (res), Friday, 7 January 2011 17:52 (thirteen years ago) link
No lessons, no hugs.
― Zsa Zsa Gay Bar (jaymc), Friday, 7 January 2011 17:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Two shows that came close to that: Larry Sanders and (surprisingly) Cheers. People often behave creepily on Larry Sanders, and only on rare occasions would the show cross the line into pathos (sometimes brilliantly). Cheers had a habit of going right up to the line where things turn maudlin, then there'd be a joke to undercut everything. They crossed the line, too, but far less often than most pre-Seinfeld sitcoms; I thought of it almost as a precursor to Seinfeld in that regard.
― clemenza, Friday, 7 January 2011 18:07 (thirteen years ago) link
there are lots of shows like that now - It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, for one. but yeah it was original at the time.
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 7 January 2011 18:11 (thirteen years ago) link
The structure/characters/feel of It's Always Sunny always make me think of Seinfeld if all the characters were even less empathetic and stupider
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 7 January 2011 18:13 (thirteen years ago) link
I just hope Always Sunny will never have to forever live in the shadow of Seinfeld, written off in pop-culture lit by nostalgia fetishist whom find it heresay that something so well liked could actually be not that good. See videogame phenomenon: Halo.
― heh (kelpolaris), Friday, 7 January 2011 21:02 (thirteen years ago) link
I assumed this revive was due to the death of an actor who played some character Sid Fields on an episode, obv named after the character/actor/writer from David & Seinfeld's fave The Abbott & Costello Show. (Fields was their apoplectic landlord.)
― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Friday, 7 January 2011 21:12 (thirteen years ago) link
re: sunny, huh?1. popularity is a pretty good indicator of crap (see weekly TV ratings)2. Always Sunny isn't that popular (see weekly TV ratings)
Their getting short shrift from critical attention is more likely that it isn't popular enough, no matter how many dick towels they sold.
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 7 January 2011 21:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Morbs, I don't remember that guy from Seinfeld, but I just watched a West Wing episode a few days ago that he was in. Dude got steady work.
― Zsa Zsa Gay Bar (jaymc), Friday, 7 January 2011 21:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Looked at a picture of Fields and recognized him immediately as the ornery old guy who owned all the LPs that Kramer and Newman tried to sell.
― clemenza, Saturday, 8 January 2011 00:09 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE_WXM93WdU
― british sb power (dayo), Sunday, 12 June 2011 02:30 (twelve years ago) link
so
do beckham and posh watch Seinfeld?
― Ste, Monday, 11 July 2011 15:40 (twelve years ago) link
yes
― my baby eats special k all day (Lamp), Monday, 11 July 2011 16:49 (twelve years ago) link
idgi
― Asamoah Nyan (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 11 July 2011 16:53 (twelve years ago) link
its just a comical misunderstanding
― my baby eats special k all day (Lamp), Monday, 11 July 2011 16:53 (twelve years ago) link
Oh god I thought our Hannah was joking about her being called 7???
― Everyday is a Whining Choad (Noodle Vague), Monday, 11 July 2011 16:54 (twelve years ago) link
Ohhh really? Seven?!
― Asamoah Nyan (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 11 July 2011 16:55 (twelve years ago) link
harper seven
― Ste, Monday, 11 July 2011 16:56 (twelve years ago) link
Hannah told me first thing this morning when I was half asleep and I thought the kid was called Harper and was 7 pounds something
― Everyday is a Whining Choad (Noodle Vague), Monday, 11 July 2011 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRUdaWZ4FN0
― Asamoah Nyan (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 11 July 2011 16:58 (twelve years ago) link
Would've preferred Mug Beckham tbh
― Asamoah Nyan (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 11 July 2011 16:59 (twelve years ago) link
Missed a chance to go with Mulva imo
― Everyday is a Whining Choad (Noodle Vague), Monday, 11 July 2011 16:59 (twelve years ago) link
^^^I always found it curious that Jerry never considered "Regina" as a plausible name in that episode
― Myonga Vön Bontee, Monday, 11 July 2011 17:21 (twelve years ago) link
Posh and Becks were beaten to the name by Andre 3000 and Erykah Badu, anyway.
― jaymc, Monday, 11 July 2011 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
god dammit Myonga i've wondered for years what the actual name was but i think you've cracked it
― Everyday is a Whining Choad (Noodle Vague), Monday, 11 July 2011 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
i think the actual name was 'dolores'
― # (Lamp), Monday, 11 July 2011 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, I was gonna say.
― jaymc, Monday, 11 July 2011 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
don't remember that bit
― Everyday is a Whining Choad (Noodle Vague), Monday, 11 July 2011 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
does that rhyme in a New York accent?
it rhymes when i say it in my head?!
its the tag to that episode fwiw - he sticks his head out of his window and sorta ruefully shouts 'DOLORES!' at her after shes presumably stormed out
― # (Lamp), Monday, 11 July 2011 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
oh god yeah now i remember
― Everyday is a Whining Choad (Noodle Vague), Monday, 11 July 2011 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
iirc they never had a name for her during the show, but as it was being taped they asked the audience what they thought it should be and some woman came up w/ Dolores
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 11 July 2011 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
haha i didnt know that! i do think that dolores is a better joke than regina: sneakier and dirtier but still obvious enough once he shouts it
― # (Lamp), Monday, 11 July 2011 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
yeh dolores is better really. impressed i cd forget something like that for years
― Everyday is a Whining Choad (Noodle Vague), Monday, 11 July 2011 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
Idgi
― you've got male (jim in glasgow), Monday, 11 July 2011 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
dolores/clitoris
― # (Lamp), Monday, 11 July 2011 17:56 (twelve years ago) link
iirc, Jerry was with a girl and he couldn't remember her name, she told him it rhymed with a part of a woman's body, so he spent the episode trying to guess a female name that rhymed with a body part. at the end of the episode, after she storms out in disgust, he throws open his window and yells "Dolores"
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 11 July 2011 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
I never got that. They don't even approach rhyming in my head.
― you've got male (jim in glasgow), Monday, 11 July 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
It always kind of bugged me because it only rhymes if you pronounce clitoris a certain way which I think is the less common way of doing so. I don't pronounce it like that and that pronunciation sounds strange to me even though I think both are technically correct.
― my ponies hate you (ENBB), Monday, 11 July 2011 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
Weird because I feel like 90% of the time I've heard someone say it, its the way that rhymes with Dolores.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 11 July 2011 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
i think they took some "artistic license"
― gucci mande (J0rdan S.), Monday, 11 July 2011 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
still p funny if you ask me
― gucci mande (J0rdan S.), Monday, 11 July 2011 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
Wait, maybe not, maybe only like 65%. The more I keep trying out both in my head, the more confused I get as to which way I more often hear it.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 11 July 2011 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
― Myonga Vön Bontee, Monday, July 11, 2011 1:21 PM (40 minutes ago) Bookmark
Americans pronounce Regina as Regeena so that wouldn't have worked.
― my ponies hate you (ENBB), Monday, 11 July 2011 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, I've heard both. Webster's 11th has both as well, but CLIT-or-is is listed first.
I would argue that this is probably in large part due to the episode!
― jaymc, Monday, 11 July 2011 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i've literally never heard anyone in my life say "regina" to rhyme w/ "vagina"
― gucci mande (J0rdan S.), Monday, 11 July 2011 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
Never been to Saskatchewan?
― jaymc, Monday, 11 July 2011 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
one of the joys of sharing a small office is that theres no way of repeating 'dolores... clitoris...' under your breath in a questioning voice w/o getting some p disturbed looks
anyway it rhymes that way i would pronounce that two words but mb we need dr. whiney on this
― # (Lamp), Monday, 11 July 2011 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
idk "cliTORis" (pronounced like Thor in the middle in order to rhyme wiht Delores) just sounds really really awkward. Like, that's how my mom probably says it or something.
― my ponies hate you (ENBB), Monday, 11 July 2011 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
dolores
^^^ have experience cognitive dissonance
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 11 July 2011 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
d all of this
seinfeld is still on tv every night I think
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 11 July 2011 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
This reminds me of the classic Chicago joke:
Q: What are the three streets in Chicago that rhyme with vagina?A: Paulina, Melvina, and Lunt.
― jaymc, Monday, 11 July 2011 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
sometimes I don't even realize I'm watching it and my gf gets kind of exasperated
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 11 July 2011 18:12 (twelve years ago) link
she gets less exasperated at king of the hill tho
her name should have been Pat
― Ste, Monday, 11 July 2011 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
RIP Mr. Pitt
― jaymc, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 14:17 (twelve years ago) link
(I see this is old news and has already been mentioned in the 2012 obits thread. Carry on.)
― jaymc, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 14:19 (twelve years ago) link
yeesh:
http://www.avclub.com/articles/seinfeld-actor-daniel-von-bargen-barely-survives-b,69792/
― omar little, Wednesday, 22 February 2012 23:40 (twelve years ago) link
yeesh indeed :-(
― HO WBEAUTIFUL IS THE GENTLYFALLINGBLOOD? (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 22 February 2012 23:49 (twelve years ago) link
RIP Mr. Pitt and :( at that dude's suicide attempt.
Just watched the ep where Kramer gets Novocaine at the dentist and wears Jimmy's special shoes so that some man thinks he's special and invites him to be a guest of honor at Mel Torme's benefit gig. I couldn't breathe I was laughing so much during Torme's serenade. Great one.
― wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 00:07 (twelve years ago) link
this is awesome
Seinfelt
― andrew m., Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:02 (eleven years ago) link
holy shit those are perfect
― frogbs, Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:07 (eleven years ago) link
George orders a BLT, but realizes that he hates the texture of tomato, and the lettuce doesn’t add anything at all. He starts eating “BBBs” for lunch instead.
there's some duds, but mostly bizarre lols
― andrew m., Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:09 (eleven years ago) link
okay these are getting weird
George practices handling food as minimally as possible in order to avoid having to wash his hands as often. Jerry is unnerved when his new girlfriend confesses she’s been to every one of his shows since 1992. Elaine dates a man who enjoys having cigarettes put out on his skin, and finds herself increasingly turned on by secondhand smoke. When the others finally learn Kramer’s first name — Cosmo — he pulls open his face and blasts them all into oblivion with the tiny star contained inside his skull.
― frogbs, Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:10 (eleven years ago) link
Elaine wears “low heel shoes” with the toe elevated higher than the heel.
― andrew m., Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:11 (eleven years ago) link
some of these are close enough to the real thing
The PenguinWhen Elaine’s coworker starts taking two-hour-long lunches, she tries to do the same, only to later learn that the woman only takes so long because she has to be fed through a special tube. Kramer starts writing down detailed predictions about trivial events on long scrolls, which he stores in Jerry’s freezer. After a teen on the street refers to an umbrella-wielding George as ‘The Penguin’, he starts to find other commonalities with the character. Jerry receives a request to perform at a fan’s funeral.
When Elaine’s coworker starts taking two-hour-long lunches, she tries to do the same, only to later learn that the woman only takes so long because she has to be fed through a special tube. Kramer starts writing down detailed predictions about trivial events on long scrolls, which he stores in Jerry’s freezer. After a teen on the street refers to an umbrella-wielding George as ‘The Penguin’, he starts to find other commonalities with the character. Jerry receives a request to perform at a fan’s funeral.
― andrew m., Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:14 (eleven years ago) link
i love it how some of them are basically take offs on existing Seinfeld plots, then some are like this
George takes up painting to relieve stress, but finds that he can only paint grotesque images of massive tragedies. Elaine rubs against rough surfaces in Jerry’s apartment in order to shed her skin, which Newman later discovers by accident, and eats after overcoming his initial terror. Kramer’s new shampoo turns his hair bright purple. Jerry vomits a living fetus.
it's as if a computer is writing these
― frogbs, Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:17 (eleven years ago) link
When Jerry confesses to Elaine that he’s still a virgin and has faked every sexual encounter using misdirection and sleight-of-hand, she gives him such a forceful “Get Out” push that he quantum tunnels through his apartment wall and falls to the sidewalk outside. Newman loses a bet with Kramer and has to carry him around on his shoulders for a week. George wakes up to discover psychedelic mushrooms growing between his toes.
― frogbs, Thursday, 10 May 2012 14:19 (eleven years ago) link
"George is bitten by a radioactive pedophile and dreads the potential consequences."
― nickn, Thursday, 10 May 2012 16:43 (eleven years ago) link
I would love to see some of these actually performed, but I'll probably have to settle for my imagination.
― Spectrum, Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:41 (eleven years ago) link
yeah I've been imagining a 10th season with some of these, some of the bits about Jerry bombing or Bania trying to find "the best" bathroom in NYC are funny as hell
― frogbs, Thursday, 10 May 2012 20:45 (eleven years ago) link
These are really good, especially the quotes in character:
George finds a hair in his soup and insists that it “tasted pubic”.Kramer thinks “horse-faced” should be considered a compliment. “Horses are noble creatures, Jerry. Kings and knights had them.”Elaine tries to woo the man who moves into the victim’s apartment, saying he’s “way more handsome than the dead guy.” Jerry is offended when a piece of fan mail is signed, “Regards.” “Regards? Regarding what? You’re just acknowledging my existence?” He nasally whines. “I don’t even get a ‘Best?’ At least with ‘Best,’ you’re getting something good. You don’t know what, but you know it’s good. It’s the best!”
Kramer thinks “horse-faced” should be considered a compliment. “Horses are noble creatures, Jerry. Kings and knights had them.”
Elaine tries to woo the man who moves into the victim’s apartment, saying he’s “way more handsome than the dead guy.”
Jerry is offended when a piece of fan mail is signed, “Regards.” “Regards? Regarding what? You’re just acknowledging my existence?” He nasally whines. “I don’t even get a ‘Best?’ At least with ‘Best,’ you’re getting something good. You don’t know what, but you know it’s good. It’s the best!”
― misty sensorium (Plasmon), Friday, 11 May 2012 08:50 (eleven years ago) link
These seem entirely authentic IE entirely unfunny.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 11 May 2012 10:07 (eleven years ago) link
Anyone else watching this?
http://www.comediansincarsgettingcoffee.com
Jerry Seinfeld's web series. Unscripted, off the cuff, two comedians hanging out, with the added bit of Seinfeld's ridiculous rich guy car collection.
I don't enjoy it. Feels like a vanity project. It's kind of stiff and unfunny. The Gervais episode was a hard to watch. I think i'll keep watching it though.
― America's Mobile, Friday, 10 August 2012 18:15 (eleven years ago) link
Is there any evidence of Seinfeld being funny after Seinfeld? I mean it's clear that Larry David still has it, and even though those last two seasons without him were actually pretty good, Seinfeld's post-Seinfeld life is littered with terrible commercials, The Marriage Ref, and awful twitter account, and now this
― frogbs, Friday, 10 August 2012 18:18 (eleven years ago) link
the larry david one is great because it has larry david being larry david
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Friday, 10 August 2012 18:31 (eleven years ago) link
because it has larry david being larry david
not a positive imo
― johnny crunch, Friday, 10 August 2012 18:34 (eleven years ago) link
Seinfeld is just Larry DAvid's dickpuppet
― Sweet Yin Yang ☯ (Latham Green), Friday, 10 August 2012 18:43 (eleven years ago) link
f u imo :)
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Friday, 10 August 2012 19:01 (eleven years ago) link
The Larry David one might've been OK because he and Jerry have a great rapport, which definitely couldn't be said about him and Gervais. The Brian Regan one wasn't so bad. But this series seems to be just Jerry on autopilot. It would be interesting if he were trying a little harder. It really just seems unprepared, totally winging it.
― America's Mobile, Friday, 10 August 2012 20:08 (eleven years ago) link
― America's Mobile, Friday, 10 August 2012 20:11 (eleven years ago) link
gervais woul dbe better served with a Mitchell or Webb
― Sweet Yin Yang ☯ (Latham Green), Friday, 10 August 2012 20:14 (eleven years ago) link
We did the usual thing today where each of my students introduced his or her seatmate, and it turns out one my girls says she wants to be an architect. Naturally thrilled. If she suddenly decides she wants to be a city planner instead, I won't be happy.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 03:31 (eleven years ago) link
What if she wants to be a marine biologist?
― nickn, Saturday, 8 September 2012 03:11 (eleven years ago) link
We were joking about that! (A Seinfeld fan I work with.) The thing is, she's a nice girl and a good student--apparently she really does want to be an architect. It defeats the whole purpose if she's not a complete phony like George.
― clemenza, Saturday, 8 September 2012 03:15 (eleven years ago) link
Everybody's talkin at meI can't hear a word they're sayinJust drivin round in Jon Voight's car
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 20:38 (eleven years ago) link
― Larry Mutt, Wednesday, August 15, 2001 8:00 PM (11 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
HAHAHH what???
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 21:20 (eleven years ago) link
valuable old posters
― some dude, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 21:22 (eleven years ago) link
rip larry mutt
― turds (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 21:24 (eleven years ago) link
"i don't think i could do it. they say you always remember your first time. i don't want to be remembered, i want to be forgotten."
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 21:26 (eleven years ago) link
I just saw the episode with the other Frank Costanza (the handicapped parking/Drake episode). Very disorienting, having seen the reshot episode many times. MIA: the way Jerry Stiller says "de-li-ver" when he instructs George to pick up the wheelchair.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 20:04 (eleven years ago) link
"The Switch" was on the other day. I think it might be the greatest episode of any sitcom ever.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 13 March 2013 20:05 (eleven years ago) link
http://seinfelt.tumblr.com/day/2013/05/16
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 19 May 2013 20:11 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, they've been killing it all month.
― Plasmon, Monday, 20 May 2013 03:48 (ten years ago) link
I like these but one of them is a direct lift from a Star Trek: deep space nine episode I'm sure of it.
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 20 May 2013 04:52 (ten years ago) link
the jerry arc there is from a krzhizhonovsky story
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Monday, 20 May 2013 04:56 (ten years ago) link
I am familiar with the works of Sigizmund Krzhizhanovsky.
― Plasmon, Monday, 20 May 2013 08:02 (ten years ago) link
reminded me of "House of Leaves"
― Number None, Monday, 20 May 2013 14:21 (ten years ago) link
George stares into the abyss, but the abyss shows no interest back.
― frogbs, Monday, 20 May 2013 15:09 (ten years ago) link
that's from nietzsche
― the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Monday, 20 May 2013 16:03 (ten years ago) link
ugh this is even cornier than 'future seinfeld,' what is the compulsion to use an actual comedy classic as fodder for chin-scratching internet humor
― yeeznuts (some dude), Monday, 20 May 2013 16:16 (ten years ago) link
this here is one of my favourite piece of 'internet humour':
Seinfeld Current Day @Seinfeld2000Newmen comit suicide
― NI, Monday, 20 May 2013 16:40 (ten years ago) link
lol
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 20 May 2013 16:41 (ten years ago) link
wait what's chin scratching about it -- it's pretty faithful to the Seinfeld template and free of deliberate misspellings.
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 20 May 2013 16:45 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/JPKPyqr.gif
― 龜, Friday, 10 January 2014 18:35 (ten years ago) link
George and Jerry's 'Comedians In Cars' reunion special http://comediansincarsgettingcoffee.com/george-costanza-the-over-cheer
― piscesx, Monday, 3 February 2014 03:34 (ten years ago) link
This was not funny at all.
― Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Monday, 3 February 2014 04:03 (ten years ago) link
I've been enjoying Comedians in Cars, though. Not the Tina Fey one as much as the others, but I'm a regular viewer. And i was ina Starbucks next to a guy watching it on his laptop, which makes me think it's taking off.
― tbd (Eazy), Monday, 3 February 2014 04:08 (ten years ago) link
so wait is 'Goerge Costanza' in character in this episode of Comedians in Cars?
― scott c-word (some dude), Monday, 3 February 2014 04:22 (ten years ago) link
i'll never know!
― balls, Monday, 3 February 2014 04:36 (ten years ago) link
xp I think the concept is that it starts out as the actors but kind of time-warps into the characters when they enter the restaurant. Man I fucking hate Jerry Seinfeld.
― Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Monday, 3 February 2014 04:41 (ten years ago) link
painful
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 3 February 2014 04:44 (ten years ago) link
the seinfeld reunion season of curb is so great, larry and jerry really were so great together.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o5m_mXadoU
― balls, Monday, 3 February 2014 04:46 (ten years ago) link
A joke about shitting in your host's house at a party... just off yourself you hack.
― Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Monday, 3 February 2014 04:46 (ten years ago) link
Just watched it--yeah, that didn't work at all.
― tbd (Eazy), Monday, 3 February 2014 04:51 (ten years ago) link
not the wallersteins
― flopson, Monday, 3 February 2014 05:51 (ten years ago) link
yeah man that totally sucked. and one thing about the series is the retro car porn is sort of pathetic in the context, he is so boring now yet senselessly rich. it's sad to see how little enjoyment he gets out of life
― flopson, Monday, 3 February 2014 05:58 (ten years ago) link
i think he enjoyed the pacer
― j., Monday, 3 February 2014 06:05 (ten years ago) link
The thing about its marketing was pretty funny
― Burt Stuntin (Hurting 2), Monday, 3 February 2014 06:13 (ten years ago) link
yes they're in character to answer the question. the latest (3rd) series of CICGC has been less funny this time around imo; the earlier Brian Regan, Alec Baldwin and Carl Reiner ones were side splitting. it's pretty popular now though it seems http://www.thewrap.com/comedians-in-cars-getting-coffee-jerry-seinfeld-crack-25-million-streams
― piscesx, Monday, 3 February 2014 06:28 (ten years ago) link
I think the concept is that it starts out as the actors but kind of time-warps into the characters when they enter the restaurant.
He's dressed as George Costanza in the car, making George-style "uh-huh. uh--huh."s in the car, is rugless throughout, and captioned and introduced as 'George Costanza.'
― (D1CK$) (sic), Monday, 3 February 2014 08:18 (ten years ago) link
yeah i picked up a couple of those subtle clues
― regret it? nope, said it? yep (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 February 2014 08:33 (ten years ago) link
i didn't realize JA was known for wearing a little hair hat now
― scott c-word (some dude), Monday, 3 February 2014 11:25 (ten years ago) link
he is so boring now yet senselessly rich. it's sad to see how little enjoyment he gets out of life
I like it in the Todd Barry one where he's shocked when Todd tells him he carries his laundry down the street in a big dirty clothes bag. There's a weird pause and Jerry kind of meekly says "I mean... I used to do that."
― Walter Galt, Monday, 3 February 2014 11:30 (ten years ago) link
i think for a billionaire (or whatever) that JS comes across as relatively easy going and fun loving in the Comedians In Cars.. stuff. as much as anyone with a shedload of cash i mean.
― piscesx, Monday, 3 February 2014 11:42 (ten years ago) link
I didn't think it was very funny but I wasn't offended....
― Evan, Monday, 3 February 2014 13:29 (ten years ago) link
Watching the series from scratch. Great line in S1E1, he says, what do men want? They what women! It's the only thing we're completely sure of.
Otm
― calstars, Sunday, 27 July 2014 20:51 (nine years ago) link
http://boingboing.net/2015/03/23/watch-indian-comedians-nail-s.html
― Οὖτις, Monday, 23 March 2015 16:55 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAiUkXjD6A8
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 29 June 2015 18:43 (eight years ago) link
watched an ep of this show for the first time in at least 10 years
it was the one where jerry & George make a pact to be grown ups & then George goes and proposes to susan and jerry breaks up w his gf cuz she eats peas one at a time
holds up, still funny
― johnny crunch, Monday, 29 June 2015 18:53 (eight years ago) link
o and as the credits role George is in bed w/ susan totally stone faced w/ the mad abt u opening theme playing from their tv lmao
― johnny crunch, Monday, 29 June 2015 18:54 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ibSvOWAMg
― example (crüt), Monday, 29 June 2015 18:57 (eight years ago) link
watching the early episodes on hulu now. they feel so quiet and leisurely compared to the later stuff. not a bad thing -- almost feels kind of like you're watching a play sometimes. george also nowhere close to his later maniacal self.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 29 June 2015 19:38 (eight years ago) link
This show is chicken soup for my soul.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 29 June 2015 19:45 (eight years ago) link
http://comediansincarsgettingcoffee.com/
Watched a half dozen or so Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee for the first time yesterday. Not bad. The Seinfeld reunion ones were nice. Michael Richards ep nostalgic/sad you can tell his big gaffe shook him up and he'll probably never be the same. Wonder if Seinfeld deliberately chose the shittiest rusty looking car he could for that one. Julia Louis-Dreyfus was really nice and that one felt more like old best friends hanging out, really sweet. The ep with "George Costanza" was really weird cos Jason Alexander was wearing some bad bad bad makeup.
The Mel Brooks one was great, he's probably the funniest guest on the whole show. Larry David was good, Sarah Silverman, Tina Fey, Louis C.K., all great.
Seinfeld's kind of a tool but that's just who he is and he's kind of funny when he acts that way anyways. Much like Curb and Seinfeld this show is in many ways about rich people being obnoxious in public. Which is fine because I think they are funny.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 10 July 2015 16:27 (eight years ago) link
I don't know, I really enjoy the good episodes (loved the Joel Hodgson one), but sometimes I cant get over the combination of sensory-porn-for-rich-old-people (super close ups and sounds of the nice cars, coffee being brewed, other episode specific food or things similarly filmed) and the talking to each other like everything they say is some genius anecdote merely because of who's saying it (usually met with a confirmatory "that's great" spoken as if they just experienced wit and insight nobody else could have conjured).
I suspect the "Tim and Gelman" sketches were inspired to parody that show while at the same exact time create delusional hacky comedian characters that think they are as good as a Seinfeld.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80G38bxPeyI
― Evan, Friday, 10 July 2015 18:06 (eight years ago) link
caught the last 5 minutes of the backwards episode "the betrayal" last night and for some reason id never seen it! i can literally recite most Seinfeld episodes, had a torrent of the complete series on my computer from my late teens to late twenties that I watched like crazy, have watched it regularly in syndication for a decade, and most notably i said to my wife like a week ago "i wish somehow there were some Seinfeld episodes i hadn't seen because ive seen them all too many times". my mind is blown.
― trickle-down ergonomics (jim in glasgow), Friday, 8 April 2016 17:23 (seven years ago) link
that is actually the first episode I ever saw of the show in full. and I've never seen it since.
― frogbs, Friday, 8 April 2016 17:51 (seven years ago) link
first episode i saw was the sponge, i was 11 or 12, the idea that there was a prophylactic other than a condom and that it was a sponge confused me no end
― trickle-down ergonomics (jim in glasgow), Friday, 8 April 2016 17:55 (seven years ago) link
I have already mentioned my confusion at the sponge upthread lol
― trickle-down ergonomics (jim in glasgow), Friday, 8 April 2016 18:01 (seven years ago) link
^ I figured you were doing a reference to the call-back they did in the last episode, with the shirt buttons.
― nickn, Friday, 8 April 2016 18:37 (seven years ago) link
Betrayal is the worst post-season 1 episode imo. frogbs you picked the least funny and most confusing episode.
i highly recommend checking out The Opposite if you ever want to give it another chance.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 9 April 2016 00:22 (seven years ago) link
hah - meant to say I've never seen that episode since. just weird to me that the first episode I saw was arguably the strangest, then when I actually got into the show I never saw it again.
― frogbs, Saturday, 9 April 2016 02:27 (seven years ago) link
There was also one "lost" episode for me that I only saw after I got the DVDs, the one where Elaine breaks up with Crazy Joe Davola, who later dresses up as a clown. Which makes sense cause there's another episode I'd seen a million times where he asks her on a date, but I figured it was a dropped storyline. Not a particularly funny episode
― Vinnie, Saturday, 9 April 2016 03:48 (seven years ago) link
Legitimately creepy episode which among the shows general tone seems really odd. Like Elaine escapes him by pepper spraying him, he represents actual danger.
― trickle-down ergonomics (jim in glasgow), Saturday, 9 April 2016 04:37 (seven years ago) link
Perhaps they just don't show either of those eps so often because they're bad/not funny
― trickle-down ergonomics (jim in glasgow), Saturday, 9 April 2016 04:38 (seven years ago) link
xpost That's such an amazing season. I think a lot of nuance is lost when you watch the episodes in isolation because it's basically all one season-long story.
― My Whole Existence Is Flan (Old Lunch), Saturday, 9 April 2016 04:40 (seven years ago) link
xp otm about the tone of that episode being very different. Though it was Binaca, not pepper spray, and that ref comes back later in a mildly funny way. It seems odd that networks would purposefully skip that episode since, at least on my local station, they usually show the episodes in order. I think it's just chance that I never saw it. By contrast, I've seen the damn backwards episode like ten times on tv
― Vinnie, Saturday, 9 April 2016 15:27 (seven years ago) link
The only one that I think was officially removed was the one about the Puerto Rican Day parade:
The episode aired one week before the two-part clip show and the two-part series finale aired. Because of controversy surrounding a scene in which Cosmo Kramer accidentally burns and then stomps on the Puerto Rican flag, NBC was forced to apologize and had it banned from airing on the network again. Also, it was not initially part of the syndicated package. In the summer of 2002, the episode started to appear with the flag-burning sequence intact.
I don't think I've seen it.
― clemenza, Saturday, 9 April 2016 15:42 (seven years ago) link
lol when Kramer has to use a bathroom and tries posing as a prospective buyer ("wealthy industrialist H.E. Pennypacker") at an open house.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 9 April 2016 19:15 (seven years ago) link
yeah that was funny, especially when Jerry and George turn up and they're all playing their alias characters
SALES WOMAN: Mr. Pennypacker, this is Mr. Vandelay, And you know Mr. Varnsen
KRAMER: Uh, Varnsen.
JERRY: Pennypacker.
KRAMER: Vandelay.
GEORGE: Pennypacker. Varnsen.
― Drop soap, not bombs (Ste), Sunday, 10 April 2016 16:41 (seven years ago) link
I’m still confused. I’m 31.
I suppose I could Google “sponge prophylactic,” but it seems too late for me.
― Allen (etaeoe), Sunday, 10 April 2016 21:51 (seven years ago) link
I was an adult before I got why "Mulva" was funny
― Neanderthal, Monday, 11 April 2016 02:14 (seven years ago) link
even though I owned an album with the title of the word it rhymed with
― Neanderthal, Monday, 11 April 2016 02:15 (seven years ago) link
Laura Mvula?
― rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Monday, 11 April 2016 02:21 (seven years ago) link
What always confused me about that episode is that clitoris doesn't rhyme with Delores, unless you're some kind of freak
― Josefa, Monday, 11 April 2016 03:36 (seven years ago) link
that always bothered me too, but "Aretha" bothers me even more
― ejemplo (crüt), Monday, 11 April 2016 04:05 (seven years ago) link
Wasn't the point of "Aretha" to show how far George was reaching in trying to figure this out? Or was that "Bovary?"
― rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Monday, 11 April 2016 04:13 (seven years ago) link
Flavia LaJorra
― a very hansom, and smart boy (Old Lunch), Monday, 11 April 2016 04:18 (seven years ago) link
"the betrayal" would've been a better finale for the show than the actual finale.
i rewatched all of seinfeld on hulu recently and was really amazed by how much stronger it seems when you watch it all in order. i'd always thought of the episodes as fairly stand-alone, but there are so many little call-back jokes and continuing themes that are totally lost when you just watch random episodes in syndication. like, there's an episode where jerry's dad loses his wallet and loudly accuses his doctor of stealing it, and then like six episodes later there's a moment in the middle of an unrelated scene where jerry sits on his couch and suddenly finds the wallet. i can't imagine a lot of viewers even noticed most of this stuff back when the episodes first aired; the show at its best just feels so well-constructed, internally consistent and carefully thought out.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 11 April 2016 06:22 (seven years ago) link
The running gag where Costanza would just magically show up wherever Jerry was is really something special
― frogbs, Monday, 11 April 2016 13:19 (seven years ago) link
Wow I only just found out that the Nazi girl in the "Limo" episode is also the same girl who played Jerrys girlfriend in the "Pie" episode.
(Suzanne Snyder, also one of the girls from Weird Science)
― Drop soap, not bombs (Ste), Monday, 16 May 2016 20:25 (seven years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/TxmRph3.jpg
― frogbs, Monday, 16 May 2016 20:26 (seven years ago) link
― Drop soap, not bombs (Ste), Monday, 16 May 2016 20:29 (seven years ago) link
(y)
― a mom shaped pom (wins), Monday, 16 May 2016 20:34 (seven years ago) link
oh my god this is so amazing and hilarious. a writer named Billy Domineau wrote a spec script for Seinfeld called "The Twin Towers." I'm losing it over here, this is so fucking funny: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B50l484pDaMobXI2Wk5CX0NMbkU/view?pref=2&pli=1
― flappy bird, Saturday, 6 August 2016 02:18 (seven years ago) link
Wow, it's pretty impressive thus far. The voice is spot-on.
― Lyle Lovitz (Old Lunch), Saturday, 6 August 2016 02:36 (seven years ago) link
MALE SURVIVOR
We thought you must have died in thecollapse. How did you get out?!
GEORGE
Well you see, as the ground gave waybeneath me, I jumped at a moment JUSTSUCH that as I fell I floated betweenthe floors, ultimately landing softlyatop the rubble. I would have saidgood bye, but by then I was quitetired.
:D
― jmm, Saturday, 6 August 2016 03:05 (seven years ago) link
yeah I'm a little creeped out by how spot-on it is.
KRAMER:You know he was always talking abouthow evil America was? Eventually Itold him, “Why don’t you do somethingabout it?” I thought he’d write to hisCongressman!
JERRYKramer, he just crashed a plane intothe World Trade Center! He slit thepilots’ throats with a box-cutter!
KRAMERNot “a” box-cutter - MY box-cutter. Heborrowed it last week!
7.
ELAINE(even more intense)GET - OUT! You have to do something!
KRAMEROh, you’d better believe it! I’mgetting that box-cutter replaced.
― frogbs, Saturday, 6 August 2016 04:10 (seven years ago) link
nearly fell out of my chair at the ending
― frogbs, Saturday, 6 August 2016 04:42 (seven years ago) link
that is incredible
― "Stop researching my life" (Ste), Saturday, 6 August 2016 17:48 (seven years ago) link
the estelle/frank exchange is great
― brimstead, Saturday, 6 August 2016 18:56 (seven years ago) link
That was excellent. Actual lolz throughout.
― circa1916, Saturday, 6 August 2016 19:25 (seven years ago) link
well done everybody
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 6 August 2016 23:01 (seven years ago) link
http://uproxx.com/tv/seinfeld-festivus-true-story/
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 24 December 2016 18:10 (seven years ago) link
As for the specifics of the holiday, Frank had an aluminum pole because he appreciated the “very high strength-to-weight ratio” and found tinsel to be distracting. The O’Keefe family had something slightly more… unusual. “The reality of the holiday was too peculiar to show on television,” O’Keefe says. “The real symbol of the holiday was a clock inside a bag nailed to the wall and nearby a sign that says, ‘F*ck Fascism.’ That doesn’t fly on network TV. Either Alec or Jeff came up with the idea of the pole and the strength to weight ratio.”
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 24 December 2016 18:22 (seven years ago) link
― trickle-down ergonomics (jim in glasgow), Friday, April 8, 2016 10:23 AM (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I've just realised why I've not seen this episode on tv : the depiction of India is kind of terrible and George says that he should be able to have sex with Elaine as reparations for jerry having had sex with his current girlfriend before they met. It's an egregiously gross Seinfeld episode. Also not very funny
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Sunday, 4 June 2017 07:20 (six years ago) link
it's pretty memorable imo. had the reverse time gimmick, elaine telling the truth on schnopps, susan coming back for a bizarre cameo with "you can stuff your sorries in a sack, mister!"
― Nhex, Sunday, 4 June 2017 07:29 (six years ago) link
the Kramer / Jerry relationship origin story that closes it out is pretty classic
― Clay, Sunday, 4 June 2017 07:52 (six years ago) link
well his netflix stand up special is about 50% hokum and not very funny. you'd think with all the time he's had he would have thought up some better jokes than 'men like to fix things' shit.
― akm, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 03:51 (six years ago) link
yeah i said elsewhere it's muppet level jokes - mileage may vary
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 03:53 (six years ago) link
The guy was only ever worth a laugh when he was playing a humanized Larry David. Now they’re both obsolete.
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 04:28 (six years ago) link
i know most comedians come off like assholes and probably are assholes in real life, but seinfeld seems like such an asshole
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 05:09 (six years ago) link
i think that mighta helped the sitcom tbqh
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 12:05 (six years ago) link
I think you're both right
― rip van wanko, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 12:24 (six years ago) link
I would like to add that thinking back on Seinfeld and saying to oneself “it wasn’t THAT funny, and Jerry is an asshole” is hopefully a lagging, rather than leading, indicator that we are living in Peak Cynicism
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 12:24 (six years ago) link
ill buy Seinfeld himself being obsolete but ppl still love Larry David and actively await his new stuff
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 13:39 (six years ago) link
you'd think with all the time he's had he would have thought up some better jokes than 'men like to fix things' shit
isn't the premise that he's doing his bits form the late 70s?
― mahb, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 13:41 (six years ago) link
The Seinfeld stand up was pretty enjoyable..and yeah he's doing bits from the late 70s
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 13:43 (six years ago) link
the show has def become a period piece in a lot of ways. not just the hair and the shirts and the decor, but, as happens to much comedy, what it thinks is funny. a ton of it still connects and is just as spectacularly well-timed and delivered as always, but a lot of the dating and sex stuff has struck me as kinda cringey in more recent viewings, and the racial typing will probably someday get us to a point where certain episodes quietly disappear from syndication, like with looney tunes.
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 13:43 (six years ago) link
George is timeless. The rest is dated, yeah, to the point where I mainly watch the show to get that fuzzy feeling of how good we had it in the 90's
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 13:47 (six years ago) link
this show is chicken soup for my soul, desert island tv. it also takes me back to my parents pre-divorce show the show is intrinsically tied to my idyllic youth. its pretty much impossible to look at it subjectively for me.
i enjoy how the leads are mostly making fun of each other for being jerks. lots of shows do this now but are LOOK WHAT WE ARE DOING AREN'T WE CLEVER while Seinfeld was way more artful about it. the cast was Marx brothers level unbeatable.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 13:51 (six years ago) link
Seinfeld the TV show and Curb Your Enthusiasm are still v. popular amongst the 20-30 somethings I associate with so yeah obsolete is a stretch. That said I don't think any of them really give a damn about Jerry Seinfeld the Comedian.
― circa1916, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 13:54 (six years ago) link
Hey, guys: The Marriage Ref. Just thought you'd appreciate being reminded of that.
― this is ridcolus (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 13:57 (six years ago) link
I think I get more enjoyment out of modern-day Jerry being an asshole than trying to be funny.
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 14:00 (six years ago) link
Seinfeld is still awesome. I think it holds up better than any other sitcom from the 90's. I think the fact that Jerry is basically unlikeable was a huge reason why the show worked.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 14:02 (six years ago) link
Yeah they def pushed the "they're all assholes" angle, less & less subtly as it went on (George's self-centredness literally got someone killed!) I'm def in the it's still great camp; the sex and dating stuff almost never came from a planet I recognise and the racism was always off the charts even for a 90s show imo
Thinking about Seinfeld the standup is just depressing. I remember a couple of years back when he had that appalling joke(?) about those transgenders they have now and it was like, not only is this a shitty thing to say but just on a comedic level you're thinking "this is maybe the most successful standup alive and he has all day every day to come up with this shit". The casual bigotry sucks most obviously but the laziness is pretty sad on its own
― good art is orange; great art is teal (wins), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 14:21 (six years ago) link
i don't think i understood how astronomically selfish all the characters were (probably because i was busy being an astronomically selfish teen/20-something)
jerry's standup act had occasional moments of brilliance (why don't dogs carry money? no pockets) but in general was pretty standard - which is why it worked so well as the basis for a sitcom character imo
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 14:27 (six years ago) link
wrt to Seinfeld's stand-up being pretty standard/unremarkable, isn't this to some extent a case of him being a victim of his own success? "what's the deal with [banal thing]" is a cliche in comedy now, but the line I generally hear is that he pioneered it (in that particular form at least)?
― soref, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 14:33 (six years ago) link
Seinfeld the series was psychological realism to anyone who's lived in NYC for at least 3 months
things are much worse now
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 14:35 (six years ago) link
Have we really reached Seinfeld challops now? The show will always be classic
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 14:39 (six years ago) link
Some of the bits in the show are really good but I assume the writers had some input into that? It's obvious he's skilled even when the material is tepid xps
― good art is orange; great art is teal (wins), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 14:41 (six years ago) link
fwiw when I said he was obsolete I meant as a comedian
then again based on world events I could probably have just taken the challops one step further and said "comedians: obsolete"
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 14:48 (six years ago) link
I'm finally digging into Broad City and getting my own NYC-life-recognition buzz off that. Seinfeld for me was more like trying to grasp what adults did and how they lived. Hard to really reset my brain and read the characters as "like me" even though I'm now pretty much the same age or older than they were when the show started, and it's just as much a show about people being young-adult screwups getting into often-childish situations while more conventional grownups look on in horror at their failure to have mastered normative social behavior. Jason Alexander was barely thirty for season one! Bizarre. I think the outfits, Real Jobs, and the notion that they all had one-bedroom apartments do a lot to keep me from really seeing them as peers - Kramer is a bohemian "hipster doofus" but this makes him a figure of fun and ultimately it seems hard to understand why he's hanging out with these comparative squares.
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 14:48 (six years ago) link
my roommate was watching the Chinese restaurant episode (sort of starring Lo Pan himself James Hong) and it was just non-stop solid lines like George screaming "You know we're LIVING in a SOCIETY!" so utterly classic at capturing the surreal absurdities of everyday life (waiting for a tale at a restaurant as microcosm of the human element vs unfeeling beauracracy) that are at the heart of David's comedy. Seinfeld himself seems like a doofus at times but i get the sense from interviews he realized this as well.
the final season def got more cartoony, they ended it right before it started to suck. best move ever, and the Curb reunion was brilliant!
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 16:56 (six years ago) link
Seinfeld chollops cos there is a generation that didn't grow up w it and i remember older tv shows from before i was born always looked like crap when i was a kid so i get that. also tbf many chollops are from people that may not have ever watched it.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 16:59 (six years ago) link
i lived in NYC for a year during peak Seinfeld times (1995-1996) and Morbius is otm.
― nomar, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 17:01 (six years ago) link
it was probably i think for a lot of people their first exposure to everyday Jewish culture, not the more strict religious upbringing but just it being around the margins, like how going to church as a child or certain ceremonies from my youth must seem second nature for me and i don't even notice them, even as they are part of my life today.
― nomar, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 17:07 (six years ago) link
my wife and i often have this conversations where we attempt to explain certain aspects of our religion to each other and it's a comedy act over here. "so wait you've got a realistic model of a dead body with blood streaming from it hanging on a cross on a wall and you stare at it for an hour?" etc etc.
― nomar, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 17:08 (six years ago) link
This site is a goldmine:
Seinfeld Scripts
― dinnerboat, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 17:09 (six years ago) link
i still think old seinfeld is funny! but it's not cynical to point out that show was pretty much about them being weird assholes, or at least it evolved into that by the end.
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 17:12 (six years ago) link
Jason Alexander was barely thirty for season one!
And Julia Louis-Dreyfus was two years younger than Ilana Glazer is now
― Josefa, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 17:14 (six years ago) link
they ended it right before it started to suck
One of my all-time favorite shows, but I've gotta disagree with that -- final two seasons sucked. I haven't watched those episodes enough to tell how much of it is the acting and how much is the writing, but the drop in quality was pretty dramatic.
― early rejecter, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 17:21 (six years ago) link
the cast was Marx brothers level unbeatable.
you have a lot of insane opinions but this is next level
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 17:21 (six years ago) link
Everyone in old movies and tv shows look 15+ years older than they actually were.
― this is ridcolus (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 17:21 (six years ago) link
I marvel at how I am the age of the Walshes and the other kids' parents in 90210, they look like they come from a different planet.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 17:24 (six years ago) link
I think the hardest thing to identify with about Seinfeld the show is how often attention is drawn to Seinfeld the character needing to spend lots of money, but never ever enough to affect him negatively.
"oh well guess I gotta buy new washing machines for the laundromat" "installed this new kitchen but it sucks, rip it all out""I've got to fly to Florida like 4 times this week! Yeesh"
I mean they did have that one scene where Kramer is shocked by how well Jerry is doing, but I always was distracted by how much money Jerry was comically forced to spend in the background and foreground most episodes without any financial consequence.
― Evan, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 17:27 (six years ago) link
It definitely got weaker or less consistent in the last couple seasons, and the canonical classic eps are pretty much all in seasons 1-5. There's lots of good stuff later on but it got goofier, more surreal, and more aware that any little thing they included was practically a catchphrase already. Also the ground-level parking-garage observational stuff and comedy-of-manners material started taking a back seat to high-concept hijinks. The latter were still pretty well-done and I don't think it ever hit anything like the lows the Simpsons found after its peak, but it was definitely good that it wrapped when it did.
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 17:30 (six years ago) link
i still like the last couple seasons a lot, though any further move in that direction would have been lame. i actually think the first few seasons are the weak spot.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 17:32 (six years ago) link
my recollection of Seinfeld's run was that like the Simpsons, the first couple seasons are fine, but it really peaks for those five seasons in the middle. it seemed like for awhile there every single episode was outstanding, pretty much.
it definitely dipped a bit towards the end but i think unlike the Simpsons it did trend back up a bit as it finished.
― nomar, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 17:36 (six years ago) link
Season 8 is great, I think that's when the show was at peak surreal humor. There's a scene in "The Yada Yada" which is I think is brilliant, Jerry's in the confessional booth and George just randomly bursts in at the end and says, "Jerry I've got to talk to you". Always found that hilarious. Plus the Bizarro Jerry episode. Season 9 doesn't quite hold up as well but I think they're still plenty funny. I mean I definitely don't think the show should've ended sooner than it did.
and yeah if you haven't seen it the Curb/Seinfeld reunion season is amazing. I actually wish there was more fanservice stuff there, it's odd to bring back so many characters and only give them like one line. but the amount of meta-referencing that goes on there is incredible, beyond anything Seinfeld attempted even in its "fake pilot" days
― frogbs, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 18:24 (six years ago) link
I still think season 4 (where Jerry and George are working on the pilot for Jerry's show) is one of the best seasons of television ever.
― this is ridcolus (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 18:29 (six years ago) link
― this is ridcolus (Old Lunch), Wednesday, September 27, 2017 11:29 AM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i find season 4 a weird outlier. they've fully established the characters and they're now perfectly formed, which took at least a couple of seasons to really happen. but the narrative arc throughout the season seems odd to me, it's not really what I'm looking for out of Seinfeld. also the joe davola stuff is too scary lol
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 18:38 (six years ago) link
and by ever you mean since 1980
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 18:40 (six years ago) link
I'm finally digging into Broad City and getting my own NYC-life-recognition buzz off that. Seinfeld for me was more like trying to grasp what adults did and how they lived.
thank god seinfeld doesn't have weed smoking dubstep montages
― kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 18:41 (six years ago) link
xpost Well, since tv before 1980 wasn't generally interested in constructing season-long arcs, yeah, that is what I mean.
(Plus that thing where tv wasn't even good until, what, the mid-'90s?)
― this is ridcolus (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 18:43 (six years ago) link
yadda yadda yadda
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 18:44 (six years ago) link
eff arcs
stand-alone episodes forevah
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 18:45 (six years ago) link
pictures morbs watching the phil silvers show and sugarfoot constantly
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 18:46 (six years ago) link
xpost I mostly only watch Rockford Files and Alfred Hitchcock Presents these days so I am largely inclined to agree with u atm.
― this is ridcolus (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 18:47 (six years ago) link
the 70s columbo episodes are a lot better than the 80s/90s revival episodes. maybe morbs is right
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 18:49 (six years ago) link
lol Sugarfoot, that's a nice one jim but i have never seen it
the past week i have been bouncing between Twin Peaks 1990 and Dick Van Dyke
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 18:52 (six years ago) link
George wanting his coworkers to start calling him "T-Bone" is the funniest thing to me
― Erotic Wolf (crüt), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 18:54 (six years ago) link
Speaking of Seinfeld season 4, I just saw this supercut the other day:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXvOFYCgtJY
― this is ridcolus (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 18:56 (six years ago) link
they ended it right before it started to suckOne of my all-time favorite shows, but I've gotta disagree with that -- final two seasons sucked
i meant in the context of, say, The Simpsons, which just kept going. in a way i agree and those last seasons of Seinfeld are pretty bad but not _really bad_. certainly they were sliding in quality and getting more cartoonish. i think the tail end of "golden era" Simpsons had a lot of crap on the level of the last two seasons of Seinfeld (certainly Homer/Kramer parallel sliding further into surreal mascot status).
both were headed to the same arc, what do you do with these characters who already have hundreds of stories, whose characters have catchphrases and fans and expectations? maybe they parachuted out right as plane was starting to crash.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 19:00 (six years ago) link
re "since 1980," i have seen and loved plenty of classic tv and seinfeld is right up there w/ the best of it, i'd rate it as the finest ever u.s. sitcom just behind the honeymooners. season four is glorious because the various little story arcs really do deepen the comedy and lead to incredible moments (like george's dumb story idea about the guy sentenced to be someone's butler -- and then a couple episodes later, george becomes that guy) whereas on other, lesser sitcoms it'd just be some soap-opera shit. and yes, elaine trapped in joe davola's apartment is genuinely scary and actually kind of hard to watch.
i had an eerie realization a while back: seinfeld ended in may 1998, the same month they aired the last episodes of simpsons season 9, which is probably the last gasp of "golden era" simpsons before the rot really sets in. now imagine if seinfeld were still on the air in 2017, with the same cast but all-new writers, and that's how bizarre it really is that the simpsons is still chugging away almost two decades later. puts me in mind of the stephen king story w/ the kid who gets stuck in limbo for millions of years and goes insane.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 19:27 (six years ago) link
There’s a certain point where if you’re making too much money doing something you start to suck at it.
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 19:30 (six years ago) link
well, unless you're Spielberg
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 19:31 (six years ago) link
Ok, I'm on that script website, and looking over the episodes from the last two seasons "sucked" is probably too harsh -- remembering lots of decent bits and some great lines from them now, though as I replay them from memory the humor is blunted somewhat by the actors really over-doing their characters. The car dealership episode genuinely sucked.
― early rejecter, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 19:38 (six years ago) link
I think I do agree they ended at the right time, noting that season 8 was fantastic.
I think the hardest thing to identify with about Seinfeld the show is how often attention is drawn to Seinfeld the character needing to spend lots of money, but never ever enough to affect him negatively."oh well guess I gotta buy new washing machines for the laundromat""installed this new kitchen but it sucks, rip it all out""I've got to fly to Florida like 4 times this week! Yeesh"
"oh well guess I gotta buy new washing machines for the laundromat""installed this new kitchen but it sucks, rip it all out""I've got to fly to Florida like 4 times this week! Yeesh"
I honest to god never ever wondered about this. Perhaps because Jerry is the most 'cartoonish' character of the show (more so than Kramer even imo). It's part of the deal between the viewers and the creators; in order for it to be so good and so surreal at times, it's 'allowed' to not have to account for things like this. And for "a show about nothing" they spent way more time and detail on the mundane, the "excrutiating minutiae" to make up for leaving this be.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 20:06 (six years ago) link
true, he sucked from the beginning
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 20:07 (six years ago) link
jerry is a successful comedian who appears on tv and plays lucrative club gigs. he lives in a one-bedroom apartment in a rent controlled building. within the show he is supposed to have quite a lot of disposable income. this doesn't really stretch credulity for me.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 20:09 (six years ago) link
Kramer has to sit on the couch, he's so shocked.KRAMER: My god, you're rich.JERRY: (taking back the check) Oh yeah.KRAMER: I didn't know you made that kinda money. (subdued) Jeez.JERRY: What?KRAMER: I don't think I can talk to you any more. I feel inferior.JERRY: I never shoulda told you.KRAMER: You know, Jerry, I think this changes the relationship. I mean, Ifeel it. Do you feel it?JERRY: No, I can't feel anything.KRAMER: Well, what're you gonna do with all that money?JERRY: Actually, I was thinking of donating a large portion of it tocharity.KRAMER: (pleased) Really?JERRY: (deadpan) No.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 20:36 (six years ago) link
brutal
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 23:07 (six years ago) link
There's a weirdly Bojerry Horsefeldian quality when you see it written out like that.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 23:24 (six years ago) link
julia louis-dreyfus has breast cancer
Just when you thought... pic.twitter.com/SbtYChwiEj— Julia Louis-Dreyfus (@OfficialJLD) September 28, 2017
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 28 September 2017 17:59 (six years ago) link
dammit
― nomar, Thursday, 28 September 2017 18:04 (six years ago) link
in order for it to be so good and so surreal at times, it's 'allowed' to not have to account for things like this.
The grand living quarters of Friends was more of a distraction.
― Eazy, Thursday, 28 September 2017 18:10 (six years ago) link
Bojerry Horsefeldian
lmfao
― flappy bird, Thursday, 28 September 2017 18:25 (six years ago) link
IT WAS MONICA’S GRANDMOTHER’S APARTMENT AND IT WAS RENT CONTROLLED AND THEY WERE SUBLETTING IT ILLEGALLY
― sciatica, Thursday, 28 September 2017 18:26 (six years ago) link
― sciatica, Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:26 AM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
huge if true
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 28 September 2017 18:29 (six years ago) link
whoaa, squatter's rights
― flappy bird, Thursday, 28 September 2017 18:43 (six years ago) link
that is canon in the Friends universe
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 28 September 2017 18:47 (six years ago) link
why was their apartment so huge and spacious and then joey and chandler's is just like a regular 2 bed apartment?
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 28 September 2017 18:49 (six years ago) link
i am aware of different floor plans between apartments in a building obv because I'm not insane but that drastic a difference just across the hall on the same floor?
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 28 September 2017 18:50 (six years ago) link
ok I started rewatching the series from the beginning on Hulu and you're right, all the stand up in the netflix special is pretty much taken from his his early standup (didn't realize it was more than two jokes, but the laundry one seemed familiar), all of which is used in the first three episodes of the series.
― akm, Thursday, 28 September 2017 20:11 (six years ago) link
v sad news about JLD
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 28 September 2017 20:52 (six years ago) link
There's lots of good stuff later on but it got goofier, more surreal, and more aware that any little thing they included was practically a catchphrase already. Also the ground-level parking-garage observational stuff and comedy-of-manners material started taking a back seat to high-concept hijinks.
The best episodes/seasons hit the right middle-point between these 2. 1st season can be very prosaic "so Jerry, do you tip the delivery man?" stuff and yeah like Cheers the last season or 2 was basically live-action cartoon.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 28 September 2017 21:23 (six years ago) link
the other day i overheard a young man explaining 'heLLLOOOOOOO' to a coworker, it was so quaint
― j., Friday, 29 September 2017 00:34 (six years ago) link
JERRY: No, I can't feel anything.
haha
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 29 September 2017 00:50 (six years ago) link
I thought that Netflix special was pretty good. You see music documentary/shows where an artist goes back and plays a gig in their original haunts with the material that made them, but I can't ever remember seeing a comedy special like that one. Considering it was 30+ year old material, it held up pretty well and was a unique way to do a documentary type show. Seinfeld's stand up style was always that more classic one bit into another type of comedy.
― earlnash, Friday, 29 September 2017 01:25 (six years ago) link
crazy the stretch of time between SNL and Seinfeld where JLD was kinda obscure!
Hope she beats this
― rip van wanko, Friday, 29 September 2017 01:29 (six years ago) link
If I may butt in on the Friends thing - is Rachel & Monica's apartment really that much bigger than Joey & Chandler's? Because it seems to me they're both a big kitchen/living space with two bedrooms off the back, the only difference being the location of the bathroom - presumably the girls' apartment is a wee bit bigger and has that wee corridor with the bathroom and that one plot-device cupboard of stuff because it has the balcony at the end of the building whereas the boys' one has the stairwell running down the back of where their bathroom is. Yeah, I watch Friends too much, what of it?
Love JLD, wishing her all the best.
We Veeps stick together. Jill and I, and all of the Bidens, are with you, Julia. pic.twitter.com/JP0c2wtrJ6— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) September 28, 2017
― ailsa, Friday, 29 September 2017 16:55 (six years ago) link
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/friends/images/a/af/The_Apartments.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170222205314
― nomar, Friday, 29 September 2017 17:03 (six years ago) link
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/08/24/article-2192882-14AB7867000005DC-193_964x585.jpg
living room is significantly larger and also has high ceilings and loft style windows. and there's a balcony.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 29 September 2017 17:03 (six years ago) link
ha
i think that outdoor space would add a lot to any rent. having that in any city let alone NYC is a luxury.
― nomar, Friday, 29 September 2017 17:04 (six years ago) link
i was watching some classic episodes from the earlier seasons. in one ep George and Elaine go to a psychic and she tells him not to get on a plane. he is really freaked out about it and takes the whole tarot reading very seriously. it reminded me of another early episode where they go to a New Agey healer who tries to cure George's tonsils holistically.
anyways just sort of noticed this was almost a running theme in the early years, that they kind of hint that the Seinfeld crew were sort of NY hipsters kind of into this weird stuff (via hipster doofus Kramer). they mostly shed this in later years when they get locked into the more predictable (and funnier) characterizations as jobs-centric yuppies.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 16 October 2017 21:38 (six years ago) link
yeah, I think the early shows were more idiosyncractic, in a way that actual hip-ish people from NY (or whatever big city) are -- the characters got more solidified in later years, so they basically just played them up, and made wacky situations for them to be in.
there's a super (1st season?) episode where Jerry lets a woman stay over at his place thinking something's going to happen, but she already has a boyfriend. the self-doubt, vulnerability, angst that Jerry shows in that episode would never happen post, say, season 4
― Dominique, Monday, 16 October 2017 21:43 (six years ago) link
super early that is
― Dominique, Monday, 16 October 2017 21:44 (six years ago) link
totally. like the bit with Kramer getting Jerry to donate to a charity in order to impress Elaine on a date. he probably wouldn't even bother in the later seasons
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 16 October 2017 21:56 (six years ago) link
pretty quickly they establish hot women just falling into Jerry's lap every week so why would he try?
― Nhex, Monday, 16 October 2017 22:00 (six years ago) link
I never cared much for the first season. It struck me as one of those sitcoms--almost always the case--where the characters weren't yet developed, and everything feels a couple of beats too slow. Things got crazier and more surreal after that--to the point of being preposterous if you ever stopped to consider things--but that was what worked.
Larry Sanders might be the only sitcom I know where I can go back and feel like they knew exactly what they were doing, and what they wanted the characters to be like, from the very first episode.
― clemenza, Monday, 16 October 2017 22:07 (six years ago) link
(1st season?) episode where Jerry lets a woman stay over at his place thinking something's going to happen
it's the very first episode!
― new noise, Monday, 16 October 2017 22:15 (six years ago) link
i think all the characters in Seinfeld are yupster flaneurs throughout the series, tbh
and yeah clemz otm, George esp is doing a p annoyingly transparent Woody Allen impression in first season
― flopson, Monday, 16 October 2017 22:25 (six years ago) link
yupster flaneurs
― Nhex, Monday, 16 October 2017 23:33 (six years ago) link
what..?
― flopson, Monday, 16 October 2017 23:57 (six years ago) link
Arrested Development too, but I agree this is quite rare for sitcoms
― Vinnie, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 00:10 (six years ago) link
Larry Sanders might be the only sitcom I know where I can go back and feel like they knew exactly what they were doing, and what they wanted the characters to be like, from the very first episode.― clemenza, Tuesday, October 17, 2017 9:07 AM
― clemenza, Tuesday, October 17, 2017 9:07 AM
first episode of Larry Sanders got bumped to air as 13th of 13 because Shandling didn't feel that confident of it.
(Sanders continued to shuffle TX order throughout the run, often causing bemusing continuity errors of you were watching regularly - it's frustrating that the DVD box didn't revert to production order, at least in those instances.)
― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 01:27 (six years ago) link
ha yeah I was gonna bring up arrested there
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 01:32 (six years ago) link
there's an S1 commentary track or sth where jason alexander describes being taken aback by the audition script, to the effect of "it was so different, it didn't read like a sitcom at that time, it was like a woody allen movie, and so when i went in I really leaned into a woody allen impression and left thinking wow I really blew that audition, there's no way that's what they were looking for" or something
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 01:35 (six years ago) link
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, September 27, 2017 2:27 PM (two weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
What's the name of this King story
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 02:10 (six years ago) link
(first three eps of Sanders to air were 4, 5 and 6)
― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 04:09 (six years ago) link
weird name
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 06:43 (six years ago) link
― "The" Blink-182 (wins), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 06:55 (six years ago) link
It's called "the jaunt"
― "The" Blink-182 (wins), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 06:56 (six years ago) link
lol I'm as old now as George was on the first episode of Seinfeld
― frogbs, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 13:30 (six years ago) link
Now you can own a Seinfeld set replica!
https://seinfeldsetreplica.com/?%3Fcampaign=Festivus
― nickn, Friday, 3 November 2017 23:39 (six years ago) link
Jerry Seinfeld and Family Visit Anti-terror Fantasy Camp in West Bankhttps://t.co/GoKMnoH8Kg pic.twitter.com/d83Ub7APye— Haaretz.com (@haaretzcom) January 8, 2018
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 January 2018 21:26 (six years ago) link
"Caliber 3 is a counterterrorism and security training academy that in recent years has built on its expertise to create a new line of business: special programs for tourists seeking a taste of the Israeli military experience."
...
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 8 January 2018 21:36 (six years ago) link
A friend gave me Seinfeldia for Christmas. Looks quite good.
― clemenza, Monday, 8 January 2018 22:51 (six years ago) link
Seinfeldia was good. Jennifer Armstrong--same author who wrote Mary and Lou and Rhoda and Ted a few years ago. Maybe this shouldn't have been a surprise, but the amount of material that was right out of the writers' lives--sometimes papered over, sometimes almost verbatim--must have been in the 90-95% range. Frank Sinatra died sometime during the airing of the final episode...may have actually been watching, that was a little unclear.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 02:29 (six years ago) link
One example: Elaine's father, the curmudgeonly author (played by Lawrence Tierney), was based on Richard Yates, father of a writer's ex-girlfriend. Usually, though, it was just some stupid thing that had happened to a writer the day before.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 02:31 (six years ago) link
i should pick that up, looks like a fun read.
i saw a clip of jerry a while back where somebody asked him why his character hated newman so much, and his response was that there really wasn't any reason, it was just funnier that way. if you think about it, there's really no rational reason jerry should despise newman while having no problem with kramer.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 04:36 (six years ago) link
Sinatra died the day the finale aired. I only remember that because there was a news item about how Nancy was mad about not finding out quickly because she was so wrapped in watching the episode.
― Never Learn To Mike Love (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 05:12 (six years ago) link
I never figured out if the joke behind Kenny Bania was that he was a terrible comedian or that him and Seinfeld were basically the same
― frogbs, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 05:15 (six years ago) link
I think it's just that he's annoying
― JRN, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 05:25 (six years ago) link
Kenny's a McGuffin character who's always just a slave to that week's situation. Whatever was needed he was there - following in Jerry's footsteps, or he was dating Jerry's ex or using Jerry as mentor. Often didn't make sense in single episodes that he suddenly he had a cable show or whatever but it just served that week's plot.
― everything, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 05:57 (six years ago) link
At least one Bania episode was related to events. The one where he becomes popular riding Jerry's coattails was meant as a joke about all the bad NBC shows that got good ratings because of a time-slot before Seinfeld. (Whatever Jerry/Newman backstory there might be never came up in the book.)
― clemenza, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 12:39 (six years ago) link
It's pretty weird that Elaine's dad only appeared that once
― very stabbable gaius (wins), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 12:45 (six years ago) link
there's really no rational reason jerry should despise newman while having no problem with kramer
I always say Kramer as well mannered and had good intentions, whereas Newman was just devious and was always out for himself.
― In space, pizza sends out for YOU (Ste), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 12:48 (six years ago) link
(from wiki)
His [Lawrence Tierney] performance was brilliant, and they contemplated making him a recurring character. However, when he was caught stealing a knife from the set, and later pulling it on Seinfeld in a threatening fashion, it became clear that he would not be invited back
― In space, pizza sends out for YOU (Ste), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 12:52 (six years ago) link
(that was response to Wins re Elaines Dad)
Although I recall the DVD commentary version of that being slightly different and not mentioning the threatening part at all, just that he stole cutlery and kept hiding it from Jerry.
― In space, pizza sends out for YOU (Ste), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 12:54 (six years ago) link
^^ could've been the inspiration for the guy casted as Kramer for Jerry and George's pilot who stole (or didn't steal) the raisins
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 12:56 (six years ago) link
Wasn’t it Larry David who dated at some point Richard Yates’ daughter?
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 13:21 (six years ago) link
Thanks for the heads up on this being a behind-the-scenes thing, clemenza. I'm interested in reading it now that I know it isn't the instantly-clearanced quickie boilerplate pop culture cash-in that it appeared to be at first blush. I love in-depth televisual post-mortems, e.g. Bill Carter's NBC late night books and the Simpsons oral history.
― Senior Soft-Serve Tech at the Froyo Arroyo (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 13:29 (six years ago) link
No, she's a good writer--recommend the Mary Tyler Moore Show book too.
The knife-pulling episode comes up in the book, too. (The episode would have been on the air before Reservoir Dogs.) Also: Richard Yates evidently hated the character, although there was some suggestion he was just playing up his gruffness and secretly loved it.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 13:33 (six years ago) link
I think so--it think it was David who dated Yates' daughter.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 24 January 2018 13:34 (six years ago) link
just bought this book thanks to the revive. sounds great.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 13:43 (six years ago) link
it's mostly all in this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9T7En0N2bg
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 14:24 (six years ago) link
ah thanks Jed
― In space, pizza sends out for YOU (Ste), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 15:00 (six years ago) link
🤯 The origin/making of the Seinfeld theme.So much to unpack here...First: This dude. Second: He re-recorded it for every single episode Third: the bpm set to Jerry’s timing? Fourth: it wasn’t a real bass?! source: https://t.co/yMj4bo4FVA pic.twitter.com/KGTRf2GDzn— Ian Chan (@chanian) February 15, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 16 February 2020 15:28 (four years ago) link
Amazing.
― romanesque architect (pomenitul), Sunday, 16 February 2020 15:33 (four years ago) link
incredible
― Good taste, bit Victorian but who isn't? (jed_), Sunday, 16 February 2020 15:45 (four years ago) link
Yeah that is incredible.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 16 February 2020 15:51 (four years ago) link
ha, awesome. also that video someone posted later in that timeline about them adding nonsense lyrics to the theme for one episode!
― Nhex, Sunday, 16 February 2020 15:57 (four years ago) link
Someone should replace all the dialogue in "Seinfeld" with slappy bass sounds, kind of like an update on the "Peanuts" muted trumped grown-up talk.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 16 February 2020 16:52 (four years ago) link
I wonder how much money he makes off of those fake slappy bass sounds?
In other news, I just rewatched "The Mosquito Coast" the other day and was surprised to see Jason Alexander pop up as a hardware store employee arguing with Harrison Ford. I know his first movie was that classic slasher flick "The Burning," which was 1981. I guess "Mosquito Coast" was only his second, in 1986, which means there must be so many Jason Alexander screen tests out there.
I also learned, checking imdb, that he was a frequent guest on a show called "E/R." Not "ER," "E/R." Not only was"E/R" *also* about a Chicago hospital, but it starred Elliott Gould as one Dr. ... Sheinfeld.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 16 February 2020 17:02 (four years ago) link
The world has turned upside down.
― Load up your rubber wallets (Tom D.), Sunday, 16 February 2020 17:03 (four years ago) link
E/R also had George Clooney on it!
― Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Sunday, 16 February 2020 17:03 (four years ago) link
This is too much.
― Load up your rubber wallets (Tom D.), Sunday, 16 February 2020 17:05 (four years ago) link
omg that soundtrack guy is a hero
― babby bitter (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 16 February 2020 17:31 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAVoHFRytOQ
https://www.seinfeldgame.com/
― Hey, let me drunkenly animate yr boats in about 25 to 60 days! (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 20 April 2020 14:14 (three years ago) link
thinking about that time somebody asked derrida if he watched seinfeld pic.twitter.com/Acb8UL7ZER— ▀▀▀▀▀▀ (@immolations) April 19, 2020
― mark s, Monday, 20 April 2020 14:18 (three years ago) link
― Hey, let me drunkenly animate yr boats in about 25 to 60 days! (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 20 April 2020 14:21 (three years ago) link
derrida otm
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 20 April 2020 16:15 (three years ago) link
what's the deal with différance
― mark s, Monday, 20 April 2020 16:21 (three years ago) link
for people itt who love both seinfeld and football
https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2020/sep/01/david-squires-on-lionel-messi-going-full-george-costanza-barcelona
― oscar bravo, Tuesday, 1 September 2020 15:51 (three years ago) link
heat map vs bayern funny in and of itself but it being in a file titled 'penske' makes it even better. glad to see the puffy shirt in there too.
― oscar bravo, Tuesday, 1 September 2020 15:54 (three years ago) link
thanks for that, love the small details like the penske file and the vanderlay industries boards on the side of the field in the last panel... and just now saw the serenity nou in the first panel
― Jibe, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 12:58 (three years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/UEEBFOi.png
― calstars, Friday, 26 March 2021 00:39 (two years ago) link
This is the beginning few minutes of Seinfeld Episode 72 from season 5. i am posting this clip here for educational purposes only!!!Educational Instructions:1) watch the entire clip and take careful notice to the language all the characters use. Particularly listen to "Mr. Tuttle" Gorge's boss. He makes several references to reading between the lines, understanding hidden things etc.2) approx. half way through the clip jerry seinfeld suggests that sodomy may be a prerequisite for George's new job. The Elaine character laughs here (quite awkwardly) and jerry makes an absolutely bizarre face. interesting... wonder what julia did to get the job....3) the homework assignment is to go find and watch the entire episode and notice the incredible amount of hidden messages and not-so subtle subtext of this particular episode. notice at the very end of the episode that george's 2nd prospective boss of the episode turns out to be in the exact situation that Elaine mentioned as a hypothetical... the significance being that the other hypothetical was the sodomy one...so in a very sly and subtle way jerry seinfeld has brought up the topic of sodomy as a prerequisite for employment.... please ponder the significance of this and follow the works of people like "The Celtic Rebel" he helped me notice this level of social programming. Namely society encourages that you submit to sodomy for some jobs. For your own good I and kdix radio implore you to explore the possibilities of how pop culture is controlled through degenerative and exploitative ritualized sexual behavior and domination
Educational Instructions:
1) watch the entire clip and take careful notice to the language all the characters use. Particularly listen to "Mr. Tuttle" Gorge's boss. He makes several references to reading between the lines, understanding hidden things etc.
2) approx. half way through the clip jerry seinfeld suggests that sodomy may be a prerequisite for George's new job. The Elaine character laughs here (quite awkwardly) and jerry makes an absolutely bizarre face. interesting... wonder what julia did to get the job....
3) the homework assignment is to go find and watch the entire episode and notice the incredible amount of hidden messages and not-so subtle subtext of this particular episode. notice at the very end of the episode that george's 2nd prospective boss of the episode turns out to be in the exact situation that Elaine mentioned as a hypothetical... the significance being that the other hypothetical was the sodomy one...
so in a very sly and subtle way jerry seinfeld has brought up the topic of sodomy as a prerequisite for employment.... please ponder the significance of this and follow the works of people like "The Celtic Rebel" he helped me notice this level of social programming. Namely society encourages that you submit to sodomy for some jobs. For your own good I and kdix radio implore you to explore the possibilities of how pop culture is controlled through degenerative and exploitative ritualized sexual behavior and domination
― Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Tuesday, 18 May 2021 20:13 (two years ago) link
well that was a thing I just read
― A viking of frowns, (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 18 May 2021 20:31 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUx7v75V2dgSummer of George compilationPretty sure that’s Larry David’s voice playing George Steinbrenner
― calstars, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 00:13 (two years ago) link
it isLast two seasons are filled with episodes I've seen once and forgot about, if I ever saw them at all.
― adam t. (abanana), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 00:48 (two years ago) link
Yeah like all the puddy and George getting married stuff.
― calstars, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 00:56 (two years ago) link
I didn't even know they dated!
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 01:13 (two years ago) link
I thought the backwards episode was brilliant, wish they'd done more fucking around like that
― frogbs, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 01:52 (two years ago) link
― calstars, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 01:55 (two years ago) link
india episode easily the shows nadir imho
― flopson, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 03:00 (two years ago) link
1: rewatching and it's all funny 2: in particular the fact that JS is the worst actor in TV history lol
― mark s, Monday, 29 November 2021 18:29 (two years ago) link
Agreed, casting him was a masterstroke
― Nu-panique schnizzle (wins), Monday, 29 November 2021 18:31 (two years ago) link
yeah it wouldn't be the same with anyone else. the fact that he doesn't come off like a real person is important to the show; he's just the avatar of the typical stand-up guy where funny things are happening to him all the time and he just reacts the way a dumb horny teenager would
― frogbs, Monday, 29 November 2021 18:44 (two years ago) link
to think they could've easily cast anyone as Jerry Seinfeld
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 29 November 2021 18:50 (two years ago) link
thatsthejoke.slapbass
― coombination gazza hut & scampo bell (wins), Monday, 29 November 2021 18:54 (two years ago) link
Jerry the "actor" and "character" is also the lead as support, the star comedian here as straight man (actual comedy biz terminology, so no quotes), who sets up and reacts to joke of other performers, the ones who are veteran sketch actors, while he's from world of stand-up (also in it, as "character" Jerry's profession). This as at least as old as The Jack Benny Program, but/and it still works. (I still watch TJBP on digital antenna station, but Seinfeld has finally disappeared into HBO MAX or NBC Peacock or some such shit.)
― dow, Monday, 29 November 2021 19:18 (two years ago) link
Of course, even with set-ups etc., each of the four principal has his or her own "subplot," story-line, even-steven, so eps like Rubik's Cubes(think this is what was agreed to after Jason Alexander freaked out because George wasn't or barely in an at least one ep).
― dow, Monday, 29 November 2021 19:23 (two years ago) link
all true, except to add this: jack benny is a much better actor than jerry seinfeld (bcz everyone is)
this is why seinfeld is a funnier show than the jack benny show ("brought to you by LUCKY STRIKE")
― mark s, Monday, 29 November 2021 19:27 (two years ago) link
i've been watching this at length over the last two weeks. seen all the eps but they never get old
― Cool Im An Situation (Neanderthal), Monday, 29 November 2021 19:39 (two years ago) link
I think Larry David is maybe an even worse actor than Jerry Seinfeld
― fetter, Monday, 29 November 2021 19:50 (two years ago) link
I'd say the four principals are like the four Beatles: almost pointless to separate the parts from the whole.
― clemenza, Monday, 29 November 2021 19:55 (two years ago) link
(So you can bet I'm all over this thread saying who's better than who...)
the working of the whole entirely depends on JS being a terrible actor (wins already said this)
― mark s, Monday, 29 November 2021 20:12 (two years ago) link
the scene where jerry is on the phone with his girlfriend pretending to be someone she knows and putting on a terrible fake voice is one of my favorite moments in the series. a guy who can't really act playing a version of himself (also a guy who can't really act) trying to play a made-up person based on nothing but a name. it's like his acting goes beyond bad and into another dimension.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 29 November 2021 20:35 (two years ago) link
They called it PUNK!
― dow, Monday, 29 November 2021 20:42 (two years ago) link
This was back when his general contempt for humanity was within acceptable limits and came off as being enjoyably self-aware about the whole enterprise
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 29 November 2021 20:43 (two years ago) link
seinfeld is a funnier show than the jack benny show well yeah
― dow, Monday, 29 November 2021 20:43 (two years ago) link
I WAS IN THE POOL
― Cool Im An Situation (Neanderthal), Monday, 29 November 2021 20:46 (two years ago) link
His "acting" always fits, one way or another, I agree---and this series was the only time (in public, prob private as well) that he could be arsed to adapt---later declined to go the usual TV comedian-to (often bad) movies route, because film is "a ponderous medium," said he wanted to start an ad agency, which seemed seemed right persona-wise (although lotta biz-running adaptation required), but don't think he ever did.
― dow, Monday, 29 November 2021 20:51 (two years ago) link
recent posts are reminding me to catch up with CiCGC which i forgot had transferred to netflix (like a distant age ago)
i know it's hit-and-miss at BEST but
― mark s, Monday, 29 November 2021 20:52 (two years ago) link
said he wanted to start an ad agency
v funny that his comedic deal is "I have no inner life to speak of!" (also likely his actual deal)
― coombination gazza hut & scampo bell (wins), Monday, 29 November 2021 20:58 (two years ago) link
the ep where Kramer is worried about his virility is weird cos Jerry keeps asking him incredulously "you never got one past the goalie", like it's normal as a right of passage for every man to accidentally impregnate someone.
― Cool Im An Situation (Neanderthal), Monday, 29 November 2021 21:05 (two years ago) link
I mean, that's the shit teenagers talk about. I thought the central joke of his character is he never developed past the age of 14
― frogbs, Monday, 29 November 2021 21:09 (two years ago) link
right from the beginning seinfeld was different because all of them laughed at each other being funny. it’s almost like breaking character, except it plays as a kind of realism, because real people, real friends, laugh at each other when they’re being funny, or being ridiculous or whatever. this kind of delight in each other tempers the outlandishly selfish things they do sam and diane would appreciate each other this way a little bit on cheers which i think is one of the biggest reasons cheers feels so warm
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 29 November 2021 22:28 (two years ago) link
"that's what you brought me inside to tell me? your dad wears sneakers in the pool?"
― Cool Im An Situation (Neanderthal), Monday, 29 November 2021 22:29 (two years ago) link
Watched loads of it back when it showed on BBC2 at a late hour but never seen it from the beginning. Is season 1 worth a watch?
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 29 November 2021 22:52 (two years ago) link
"sam and diane would appreciate each other this way a little bit on cheers which i think is one of the biggest reasons cheers feels so warm"
Good point
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 29 November 2021 22:56 (two years ago) link
Season 1 is dire. it doesn't even feel like the same show, outside of one or two eps
― Cool Im An Situation (Neanderthal), Monday, 29 November 2021 22:57 (two years ago) link
Cool I'll start from S2.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 29 November 2021 22:57 (two years ago) link
yeah it's much more the classic show starting there
― Cool Im An Situation (Neanderthal), Monday, 29 November 2021 22:59 (two years ago) link
season 1 is short iirc but yeah you’re not missing much.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 29 November 2021 23:07 (two years ago) link
it's only 5 episodes. kinda reminds me of the 1st season of The Simpsons, it's still pretty funny but the pacing is off and the dialogue is considerably less tight than it would be later on. also there is some early-season weirdness - Kramer is named Kessler, Jerry's Dad is played by a different actor, and George still has some hair on the top of his head. also like The Simpsons it really rounds into form in Season 2 but I think the show gets better from there, before getting a bit too weird and conceptual by Season 9. Seinfeld S9 >>>> Simpsons S9 though
― frogbs, Monday, 29 November 2021 23:29 (two years ago) link
Yeah the two shows (Seinfeld and Simpsons) follow extremely similar paths imo. Imagine what S33 of Seinfeld would be
― Vinnie, Monday, 29 November 2021 23:47 (two years ago) link
have a very clear memory of getting mildly dunked on by my history teacher (high school football coach) and a couple of fellow students in 9th grade for stanning Seinfeld S1 when new tv shows came up in class. proud I was on the right side of history
― caddy lac brougham? (will), Monday, 29 November 2021 23:49 (two years ago) link
the early episodes aren't that bad. they feel very slow-paced and quiet next to the later episodes, but it's fun to watch the characters gradually become themselves. and episode 2 or 3 has the beginning of george's "art vandelay" thing.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 29 November 2021 23:51 (two years ago) link
Imagine what S33 of Seinfeld would be
They tried to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqGo42jEXPw
― clemenza, Monday, 29 November 2021 23:53 (two years ago) link
love how future-jerry is wearing an ugly gold necklace there for some reason
did a full rewatch a couple years ago and one my favorite things that struck me is how the show leans into a completely childish view of the adult working world (i'm assuming jerry has never had a non-comedy job.) a huge portion of economic activity in Seinfeld World revolves around inventors and inventions, like a kid looking around the room and thinking that everything you see must have been invented by somebody, so it might be a perfectly normal thing in your daily life to encounter the inventor of the cobb salad or the soda can poptop or whatever. every job is either that or a completely mysterious and unknowable "office job", which are presented like a 3rd grader trying to imagine what his dad does all day when he leaves the house in a suit every morning.
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 00:24 (two years ago) link
The degree of realness is always part of the childishness: George's boss who picks on him, making other underlings laff--George's revenge prank plot, Elaine charging all sortsa toys, incl for friends, on her boss account, wheeee-'til called in by administrators, and of course Mr. Peterman eventually comes back from his Southeast Aisian playground, awww poor Lainie! George takes job and immediately wants perk of palacial bathroon eqipped for handicapped, so he cosplays as one, etc etc. (yer right)Re Season 1 handicaps: Seinfield later said "Too much testosterone," didn't work 'til JLD showed up. and indeed, her debut ep immediately seems better overall. Also, not being from sketch comedy, he was struck by her improv experiments in rehearsal---especially pratfalls in a Chanel suit: "I could never do that."Her skillz gave actors Michael Richard and Jason something compatible to work with, a little further away from The Jerry Zone.
― dow, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 01:03 (two years ago) link
(Richard and Larry David and several actors who show up over the years on Seinfeld were on ABC's Fridays, a blatant lift of Saturday Night Live's format etc, but a good 'un, pretty often.)
― dow, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 01:07 (two years ago) link
OEO i do think you're on to something, but also this unreality of work is endemic to all sitcoms not set at a workplace (and even some of those i'd reckon).
― I Am Fribbulus (Xax) (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 01:18 (two years ago) link
well sure, i guess thats true. idk maybe it just struck me differently because i watched it all in one large dose, but it felt like there was something about the way that stuff is presented that felt very particular to his sort of weird blinkered view of the world, living a life being attended to by service workers, and imagining that all of them are as singlemindedly consumed with the object of their work as he is with comedy - his barber spends all day fantasizing about hair, his health club pool guy is obsessed with towels, etc
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 01:43 (two years ago) link
Oh yeah, deliberately so---I used to wonder if Larry David got the basic idea from Woody Allen's Manhattan, the black & white, white, affluent enough, though characters don't think so, insular. urban fretfest after cute, colorfully expansive Annie Hall---but it's an urban syndrome from way back, though mainly represented in movies before this---which is what NBC's Brandon Tartekoff worried about: would AMERICA take to "four Jews walking around New York complaining." Also, the rules were: "No hugging, no lessons learned," in "a show about nothing"---nothing for everyone, a comedy 2nite.
― dow, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 02:11 (two years ago) link
is it ever revealed what exactly it is George does with the Yankees? again kinda proves OEO's point, he just "works for the Yankees" and gets to meet the players and what not but never really does any work
― frogbs, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 02:48 (two years ago) link
for me the best part is that goofy head shake thing that Kramer does at the end. sometimes the funniest shit this show does is the most inexplicable. honestly one of my favorite jokes in the whole series is the one where Jerry is in the confession booth and when he pops out George is there for some reason and he just goes "Jerry I need to talk to you!!" as though George either knows where Jerry is at all times or never strays further than 500 feet from him.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 02:52 (two years ago) link
xpost originally it was 'assistant to traveling secretary", but I think he got promoted?
― Cool Im An Situation (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 03:17 (two years ago) link
nothing will ever top for me...
"you made all the stops?""THEY KEPT RINGING THE BELL!"
do people pronounce roof "ruff" like jerry and kramer in that clip
― symsymsym, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 03:18 (two years ago) link
― Cool Im An Situation (Neanderthal), Monday, November 29, 2021 5:57 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
i like season 1. and it's only 5 episodes (because the network was so reluctant to give them a show). but maybe not a good place to start if you've never watched the show before
― flopson, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 03:24 (two years ago) link
rewatching parts of the pilot the only thing I can think is "no network today would even consider picking this up"
― frogbs, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 03:34 (two years ago) link
is it ever revealed what exactly it is George does with the Yankees?
aside from the yankees, theres plenty of episodes where george & others have office jobs where they either do nothing or literally dont even know what their job is. thinking of the ep w/george and the 'pensky file', or the one where kramer starts showing up to an office ("i dont even really work here" / "thats what makes this so difficult"). by the last season when george works at Kruger Industrial Smoothing its to the point where even mr kruger doesnt seem totally clear on what they all are supposed to be doing. theres definitely a running thread of 'office jobs' being a weird interzone where nobody actually does anything yet jobs are sustained through some kind of strange alchemy. not hard to picture jerry & larry david waking up after late nights of standup, looking at crowds of commuting nyc office workers and thinking "what on earth could they possibly be doing all day thats so damn important?"
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 03:57 (two years ago) link
Holy crap, I didn't remember that this first episode broadcast w Elaine (second one filmed) was also the second ep of Season 1---took her a while to save the show, if she did (which was the one where she's yelling "STELLLAHHH" like Brando?)Several reviewers quoted here were not so impressed:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stake_Out_(Seinfeld)Then, "Male Unbonding" is the fourth episode of the first season of the NBC sitcom Seinfeld and aired on June 14, 1990. Despite airing fourth, it was the second episode produced.[1][2] ...This is the first episode written which stars the character of Elaine. The first version of the script does not include Elaine, despite the fact that one of the conditions given when Seinfeld was given a series was that a female character was included.[1] Originally, the character's name was Eileen.[6] Louis-Dreyfus claims that she was unhappy with only being given one scene in the first episode in which she appeared, but said that she performed well in the episode.[7]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_Unbonding
― dow, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 04:04 (two years ago) link
read this on Twitter but its crazy that one of the most popular sitcom episodes of all time has a scene where we know one of the main characters is jacking off
― frogbs, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 04:11 (two years ago) link
Wha?xpost The one where she yells like Brando (having taking muscle relaxers or something, after sleeping on horrible thing in Seinfeld parental condo) is the first ep I remembered in which everything came into focus (in a way I enjoyed). Also, before she shows up in the condo, Jerry tells his parents that they broke up because the sex wasn't compatible, and parents for the first time look embarrassed, like they've suddenly met their match as hep parents of a rising star of today.
― dow, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 04:14 (two years ago) link
OEO, your nyc subway theory of the case totally sold it for me... you should probably pitch this article somewhere!
― I Am Fribbulus (Xax) (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 04:32 (two years ago) link
(no pressure)
― I Am Fribbulus (Xax) (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 04:33 (two years ago) link
― fetter, Monday, November 29, 2021 1:50 PM (eight hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
idk I think Larry is pretty good at playing a version of himself, Jerry on the other hand doesn't really seem to be playing an actual person
― frogbs, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 04:51 (two years ago) link
this scene from 'the busboy' s2e12, where elaine wakes up and realizes she slept through her alarm and the guy visiting her who she can't stand may miss his flight, and frantically packs, is one of the greatest elaine scenes imho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSJ7AKcHgLI
― flopson, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 05:08 (two years ago) link
and this one--where george lies about the IQ test elaine helped him cheat on--is one of my all-time fav george scenes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12KOazXUobw
― flopson, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 05:10 (two years ago) link
i don't think Jerry being a bad actor is a big deal. i disagree that he 'doesnt seem like he's playing a person' (not even sure what that means). it's a comedy where he plays himself, and he writes his own lines. i think it's safe to say he is playing a real person--namely, himself. imo his acting is only occasionally distractingly bad, and it's mostly noticeable because the other actors are so unusually talented for sitcoms. also, while he might be a bad actor, he's a master of cadence (from stand-up) and the show is mostly chatty conversations. so it plays to his strengths. his dialogues with George are pitch-perfect
― flopson, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 05:16 (two years ago) link
yeah, he's very good at the smug, straight-man delivery, which is most of what the writers give him. I even kinda like the moments where his acting is noticeably bad (like the ep when he starts to "care"). I think the joke usually still comes across and his bad acting holds some humor in itself
― Vinnie, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 06:52 (two years ago) link
jerry actually wrote the final draft of every episode with Larry David, so i don't know if it makes sense to think of his lines as something 'the writers gave him'
my understanding of the writing process is writers would constantly be pitching story ideas to larry david, and whenever he found one funny enough, they would write up a rough draft, and then after a table read jerry and larry would lock themselves in their office to write the final draft. apparently jerry's specialty was in polishing the dialogue (which is consistent with curb being mostly improvised) and giving it that signature seinfeld 'musical' quality
― flopson, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 07:42 (two years ago) link
idk I think Larry is pretty good at playing a version of himself,the greatest continuity between the two shows is the extremely unrealistic acting of the leads amidst a sea of more convincing professionals public appearances since Seinfeld the show ended have made it clear that this aloof disconnection from human feeling is closer to IRL Jerry’s mien than a writing exaggeration or an acting flawBut “the extremely unrealistic acting of the leads” is not a detriment of either show!
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 08:47 (two years ago) link
"Frank, come 'ere!""YOU come 'ere!"
― Ste, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 09:04 (two years ago) link
— he "doesnt seem like he's playing a person" = he very often moves basically like a puppet (when he turns, when he runs), it's a kind of shtick yes, but it's also him signalling (for the joke of it) "i'm doing this instead of what an actor would do" — he has no real idea what to do when others are speaking and generally stands like a bemused lump with his mouth slackly a little open— the only way i can parse "he plays himself" as a deliberate move is that he's choosing to play as the show's writer-director standing on-stage with its actual players, and that's where the passivity comes from (but it's not a choice he's making, it's being made by his not knowing what else to do). and it works! bcz it's funny! so he had no good incentive to "get better" (probably if he got "better" he'd be worse i.e. less funny)
from early on all the others have a very clear idea of what their (silent) physical character is, which they inhabit while speaking (obviously) but also while others are speaking. they're all stylised weirdos obviously -- and over time become cartoons of themselves a bit -- but physically working at character even when they're quiet. elaine's mouth is also often open as others speak but she's extremely dynamic and alert phsyically with this, it's an active receptivity, it's the opposite of slack
― mark s, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 10:48 (two years ago) link
Are ppl still watching seinfeld, the half-note show
― fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 10:51 (two years ago) link
"(but it's not a choice he's making, it's being made by his not knowing what else to do)"
it's also being made by his having a second larger job the others don't have, which is constantly judging the overall effectiveness of how everyone is delivering the material he's written -- but despite what flopson says i don't think he's "acting" this second dimension by choice
― mark s, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 10:53 (two years ago) link
I think Seinfeld's approach to acting is in concert with his approach to the sitcom in that he doesn't seem to respect the medium and craft or it is irrelevant to his purposes.
This is made explicit by my favorite stretch of the show when they are selling the sitcom to NBC and then filming it - it has near Charlie Kauffman approaches to irony and identity (for instance, George's reactions to the actors auditioning for George) - highlighting the message "can you believe this shitty tv show we are making?". Seinfeld's acting delivers this same message as well as insulating Jerry from having to deal with his obvious acting limitations.
― hocus pocus, alakazam (PBKR), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 12:22 (two years ago) link
Yeah, season four is kind of astounding. One of my favorite seasons of a television show ever.
― Rep. Cobra Commander (R-TX) (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 13:31 (two years ago) link
All the middle seasons blur together in my mind. Like some others, don't much like S1, and I remember it tailing off near the end. I liked the really surreal stuff the best, like the pilot within the show about the show about Larry David's life, or the Merv Griffin episode.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 16:06 (two years ago) link
yeah idk if S4 is particularly better than the other ones (minus S1 of course) but as a whole it's a really cool accomplishment, especially since the Jerry show itself is basically awful
the season of Curb where they did the Seinfeld reunion was also really cool. I think they both realized an actual reunion could not help but be lame so if there was any way to actually do it this was it. by the final episode it probably got more meta than Seinfeld ever was
― frogbs, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 16:21 (two years ago) link
Was thinking again about childish views of "work," "jobs" on this, and as One Eye Open also observed, so many other sitcoms--but then realized there was a glorious exception: on King of Queens, everybody has jobs, and they always matter, one way or another, in each ep---even Arthur, Jerry Stiller's character, has jobs sometimes, and it's amazing, like watching Kramer at work would have to be. (The real life Kenny Kramer's hustles inspired some eps, like he was a hand model agent, and wrangled a creative consultant's stipend for the series, also ran Kramer's Seinfeld Reality Tour, which maybe should have been in series finale, run by Kosmo Kramer, of course).
― dow, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 17:59 (two years ago) link
criminal to put “glorious” in front of King of queens. best sitcom for depicting work is Taxi imo
― flopson, Wednesday, 1 December 2021 05:20 (two years ago) link
Roseanne is good in this regard
― 《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 1 December 2021 07:12 (two years ago) link
when george works at Kruger Industrial Smoothing its to the point where even mr kruger doesnt seem totally clear on what they all are supposed to be doing. theres definitely a running thread of 'office jobs' being a weird interzone where nobody actually does anything yet jobs are sustained through some kind of strange alchemy
Reminded of course of the running joke in Friends where nobody is really sure what Chandlers job is
― Ste, Thursday, 2 December 2021 11:30 (two years ago) link
I still marvel at this scene and imagine how much fun it must have been to write:
JERRY'S APARTMENTJERRY: Oh, I'm glad you're here, so we can get this all straightened out. Would you like a cup of tea?BOOKMAN: You got any coffee?JERRY: Coffee?BOOKMAN: Yeah. Coffee.JERRY: No, I don't drink coffee.BOOKMAN: Yeah, you don't drink coffee? How about instant coffee?JERRY: No, I don't have--BOOKMAN: You don't have any instant coffee?JERRY: Well, I don't normally--BOOKMAN: Who doesn't have instant coffee?JERRY: I don't.BOOKMAN: You buy a jar of Folger's Crystals, you put it in the cupboard, you forget about it. Then later on when you need it, it's there. It lasts forever. It's freeze-dried. Freeze-dried Crystals.JERRY: Really? I'll have to remember that.BOOKMAN: You took this book out in 1971.JERRY: Yes, and I returned it in 1971.BOOKMAN: Yeah, '71. That was my first year on the job. Bad year for libraries. Bad year for America. Hippies burning library cards, Abby Hoffman telling everybody to steal books. I don't judge a man by the length of his hair or the kind of music he listens to. Rock was never my bag. But you put on a pair of shoes when you walk into the New York Public Library, fella.JERRY: Look, Mr. Bookman. I--I returned that book. I remember it very specifically.BOOKMAN: You're a comedian, you make people laugh.JERRY: I try.BOOKMAN: You think this is all a big joke, don't you?JERRY: No, I don't.BOOKMAN: I saw you on TV once; I remembered your name--from my list. I looked it up. Sure enough, it checked out. You think because you're a celebrity that somehow the law doesn't apply to you, that you're above the law?JERRY: Certainly not.BOOKMAN: Well, let me tell you something, funny boy. Y'know that little stamp, the one that says "New York Public Library"? Well that may not mean anything to you, but that means a lot to me. One whole hell of a lot. Sure, go ahead, laugh if you want to. I've seen your type before: Flashy, making the scene, flaunting convention. Yeah, I know what you're thinking. What's this guy making such a big stink about old library books? Well, let me give you a hint, junior. Maybe we can live without libraries, people like you and me. Maybe. Sure, we're too old to change the world, but what about that kid, sitting down, opening a book, right now, in a branch at the local library and finding drawings of pee-pees and wee-wees on the Cat in the Hat and the Five Chinese Brothers? Doesn't HE deserve better? Look. If you think this is about overdue fines and missing books, you'd better think again. This is about that kid's right to read a book without getting his mind warped! Or: maybe that turns you on, Seinfeld; maybe that's how y'get your kicks. You and your good-time buddies. Well I got a flash for ya, joy-boy: Party time is over. Y'got seven days, Seinfeld. That is one week!
― Sam Weller, Thursday, 2 December 2021 14:44 (two years ago) link
joy-boy!
― mark s, Thursday, 2 December 2021 14:51 (two years ago) link
Yeah great scene
weird that he says he doesn't drink coffee though, isn't he always supping it in the Toms diner?
― Ste, Thursday, 2 December 2021 14:54 (two years ago) link
no television show in history had a better cast of one-off characters, right? I mean what even comes close
― frogbs, Thursday, 2 December 2021 14:54 (two years ago) link
Xp it's pointed out elsewhere in the show that Jerry drinks decaf.
― Kim Kimberly, Thursday, 2 December 2021 15:07 (two years ago) link
Really, well if that isn't justification for a full re-watch I don't know what is.
― Ste, Thursday, 2 December 2021 15:09 (two years ago) link
Actually decaf tea iirc.
― Kim Kimberly, Thursday, 2 December 2021 15:16 (two years ago) link
Lemon lift?
― Sam Weller, Thursday, 2 December 2021 15:22 (two years ago) link
lot of love for Bookman and so many more over here: Seinfeld secondary character poll
― I Am Fribbulus (Xax) (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 2 December 2021 15:29 (two years ago) link
Crazy Joe Davola was robbed.
― hocus pocus, alakazam (PBKR), Thursday, 2 December 2021 16:29 (two years ago) link
“Bookman: You're a comedian, you make people laugh. Jerry: I try. Bookman: You think this is all a big joke, don't ya?”
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 2 December 2021 20:25 (two years ago) link
nothing tops this guy for me, single funniest line reading in the whole series imo
http://peopleyouseeinairports.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/take-a-bite.gif
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 2 December 2021 20:44 (two years ago) link
I beg to differ:
https://tenor.com/SZmq.gif
― hocus pocus, alakazam (PBKR), Thursday, 2 December 2021 21:14 (two years ago) link
Or I would if I could post a gif.
https://c.tenor.com/-cmGwgBlbdcAAAAC/sonofabitch-sob.gif
― hocus pocus, alakazam (PBKR), Thursday, 2 December 2021 21:16 (two years ago) link
Lol every time I have a bath I think "The soak o' the year!"
― Kim Kimberly, Thursday, 2 December 2021 21:25 (two years ago) link
dunno if Puddy is considered a secondary character but he's the best minor character in this
― a (waterface), Thursday, 2 December 2021 21:26 (two years ago) link
yeah, that's right
― Ste, Thursday, 2 December 2021 21:31 (two years ago) link
hey babe
― a (waterface), Thursday, 2 December 2021 21:35 (two years ago) link
Last flight I took I saw a guy just staring straight ahead for the whole flight, not even wearing earphones, and I kept thinking of Puddy and giggling.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 2 December 2021 21:40 (two years ago) link
my favorite joke in that goes like
Jerry: Who's that?Elaine: VEGETABLE LASAGNA
― a (waterface), Thursday, 2 December 2021 21:42 (two years ago) link
haha I'm watching an episode of Friends right now and Monica's mum has just pulled out Lasagnas from her freezer
― Ste, Thursday, 2 December 2021 21:43 (two years ago) link
fyi
literally everything puddy ever says is amazing.
“sure thing, joe mayo.”
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 2 December 2021 22:00 (two years ago) link
I involuntarily shush everyone around me if I hear "Desperado"
― assert (matttkkkk), Thursday, 2 December 2021 22:25 (two years ago) link
Absolutely one of the best exchanges in the history of the show. I crack up every time. From “The Parking Garage”:
ELAINE: “And now he's gone. I'm sure he's looking for the car. Five minutes, that's all. I just want to find him.”MAN #1: “I can't do it.”ELAINE: “But why? Why can't you do it?”MAN #1: “… I can't.”ELAINE: “No, see that's not a reason you can't. You just don't want to.”MAN #1: “… That's right.”ELAINE: “But why? Why don't you want to?”MAN #1: “I don't know.”ELAINE: “But wouldn't you get any satisfaction out of helping someone out?”MAN #1: “No, I wouldn't.”
MAN #1: “I can't do it.”
ELAINE: “But why? Why can't you do it?”
MAN #1: “… I can't.”
ELAINE: “No, see that's not a reason you can't. You just don't want to.”
MAN #1: “… That's right.”
ELAINE: “But why? Why don't you want to?”
MAN #1: “I don't know.”
ELAINE: “But wouldn't you get any satisfaction out of helping someone out?”
MAN #1: “No, I wouldn't.”
It feels pointless to write it out here because so much of the brilliance is in the delivery.
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 2 December 2021 23:49 (two years ago) link
Favourite Puddy: "That's right."
(Hearing it in context helps.)
― clemenza, Friday, 3 December 2021 00:23 (two years ago) link
I’ve spent many moments on this earth idly wondering if I could pull off puddy’s 8 ball jacket
― Clay, Friday, 3 December 2021 00:31 (two years ago) link
Glad Flopson cited Elaine's manic luggage-packing up there, possibly mycfavourite scene in the series.
― Hongro Hongro Hippies (Myonga Vön Bontee), Friday, 3 December 2021 00:40 (two years ago) link
And then she shows up at Jerry's place, hair in face, to give a stirring account of how she *almost* got him there in time: "Gentlemen, I assure you--" What's the rest?
― dow, Friday, 3 December 2021 01:56 (two years ago) link
"Mr Kramer, he's an innocent primate.""Well so am I!"
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 7 December 2021 02:22 (two years ago) link
I’d forgotten what a jackass Jerry is in this show/ The insincerity in every moment is breathtaking, it just oozes from every pore.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 26 December 2021 23:55 (two years ago) link
that’s a shame
― Clay, Monday, 27 December 2021 00:10 (two years ago) link
mocking, mocking, mocking! all they do is MOCK!
― hopefully this review helped someone (Neanderthal), Monday, 27 December 2021 00:19 (two years ago) link
I’m not saying that’s a negative, mind.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 27 December 2021 00:20 (two years ago) link
i'm just quoting the series finale lol
― hopefully this review helped someone (Neanderthal), Monday, 27 December 2021 00:31 (two years ago) link
been rewatching a few episodes and god damn Jerry is somehow even a worse actor than I remembered
― frogbs, Monday, 27 December 2021 00:43 (two years ago) link
He's not a good actor but he's also not trying to "act" really. Jason and Julia are trying to be believable, even in ridiculous situations but Jerry is always showing an awareness that he's a character in a scripted show.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 27 December 2021 02:08 (two years ago) link
aren’t we all, really
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 27 December 2021 09:22 (two years ago) link
i watched a couple of episodes the other nightat one point george says he’s driven women to lesbianism and the crowd WHOOPS and gasps like this is a super edgy thing to say. it was awkward to experiencefell in love w elaine all over again. the camera loves her face. she shows up and everything just lights up.
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 27 December 2021 09:25 (two years ago) link
I had an epiphany last night that Seinfeld did to the sitcom what Letterman did to the late night talk show.
― ma dmac's fury road (PBKR), Monday, 27 December 2021 12:18 (two years ago) link
The Seinfeld Theme Mixed With A Hit Song From Every Year Seinfeld Was On TVhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY9axZBUUlo
― adam t. (abanana), Thursday, 3 February 2022 12:41 (two years ago) link
lol, that's really well-executed
― The creator of Ultra Games, for Nintendo (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 3 February 2022 15:22 (two years ago) link
one of my favorite videos is the composer of that theme (Jonathan Wolff) talking about how it came together and why it's different from episode to episode; long story short he's trying to match Jerry's stand-up rhythms. I'm surprised it goes so well with apparently everything
― frogbs, Thursday, 3 February 2022 16:35 (two years ago) link
Wow it really is
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 3 February 2022 17:46 (two years ago) link
xpost tbf they do a lot of either resequencing the slap-bass notes, or performing/programming their own... so that it's not the Seinfeld theme so much as its arrangement/tempo.
― The creator of Ultra Games, for Nintendo (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 3 February 2022 17:52 (two years ago) link
That video with the composer completely blew my mind when I saw it. I would have sworn up and down it was the same recording every ep, I cant believe I never previously noticed that they're all completely different & unique.
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 3 February 2022 18:08 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S1Bmh3QSK4
Smart move to ixnay the attingscay after 1 episode
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 3 February 2022 18:12 (two years ago) link
Someone sent me this pic.twitter.com/dSzRVdlDJM— Greb Comics (@GrebComics) October 8, 2022
― calstars, Sunday, 9 October 2022 11:20 (one year ago) link
"George Costanza dates a Pan-Africanist"had to write this out, it's been bugging me for 24 hours now pic.twitter.com/OgW6mXCVp4— j_shwahh_2 (@j_shwahh_2) January 6, 2023
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 7 January 2023 12:13 (one year ago) link
was not aware they at eat Tom's Diner!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom%27s_Restaurant
― | (Latham Green), Tuesday, 17 January 2023 19:09 (one year ago) link
The gym had Seinfeld playing while I was on the treadmill this afternoon; subtitles, no sound. It was the Soup Nazi episode. They had a certain level of genius on that show in terms of how economical it was. Within the first two-and-a-half, three minutes, they've introduced Schmoopy, the Soup Nazi, and the armoire--two of the most famous subplots ever, and a third that's pretty great too. They even manage to work in Bania for a few seconds.
― clemenza, Saturday, 22 April 2023 21:38 (ten months ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/LresnfU.jpg
― calstars, Tuesday, 15 August 2023 01:15 (seven months ago) link
I won't play the relevant clip, which probably doesn't date especially well, but when they were doing roll call for the McCarthy vote, "Cartwright?" made me laugh.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 3 October 2023 21:18 (five months ago) link
Too bad there wasn't a Congressman Constanza to ask if they said his name.
― birdistheword, Tuesday, 3 October 2023 23:18 (five months ago) link
Seinfeld hints at redoing of finale (I tried to post link to Guardian article but ilx didn't like the link)
“I think the thing about finales is everybody writes their own finale in their head, whereas if they just tune in during the week to a normal show, they’re surprised by what’s going on. They haven’t written it beforehand, they don’t know what the show is,”
For me that wasn't the issue. The issue was that the finale just wasn't funny at all.
― Ste, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 07:45 (five months ago) link
redoing? like re-editing?
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 07:55 (five months ago) link
From the article:
In response to a question from an audience member during his standup show at the Wang Theatre in Boston on Saturday, the comedian teased that a re-envisioned finale may be in the works.
Seinfeld was asked whether he liked the TV sitcom’s finale. “Well, I have a little secret for you about the ending. But I can’t really tell it because it is a secret,” he responded.
“Here’s what I’ll tell you, OK, but you can’t tell anybody. Something is going to happen that has to do with that ending. Hasn’t happened yet,” Seinfeld said to loud gasps and applause.
― Ste, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 08:06 (five months ago) link
Ahh maybe they shot a couple of different endings
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 08:31 (five months ago) link
or maybe they get released from |redacted|
― assert (matttkkkk), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 08:55 (five months ago) link
Probably a Super Bowl commercial.
― birdistheword, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 09:03 (five months ago) link
lol yeah duhxpost
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 09:04 (five months ago) link
Upon release from jail, they run into the Close Talker, and trying to escape him, are all hit by a bus.
Cue George in his dying moments, hearing himself in his head singing "Believe it or not, George isn't alive"
― real warm grandpa (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 11:16 (five months ago) link
what would be a funny ending for that show. not defending the ending, just saying i'm sure there are "takes" out there
― a (waterface), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 12:06 (five months ago) link
It’s an inspired idea for a finale tbh, the last scene is p much perfect. The ep itself is one of the worst of the run only cause it has barely any jokes in it, just a load of flatly executed callbacks
― Boris Yitsbin (wins), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 12:18 (five months ago) link
yeah maybe they needed one with jokes
went back and looked at some of the episodes from the last season. they had the frogger episode, and the Wizard organizer one, but also the, yeck, Puerto Rican parade one
― a (waterface), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 12:54 (five months ago) link
Didnt they already do this on season 5 or 6 of Curb?
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 12:54 (five months ago) link
Serenity Now!
― real warm grandpa (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 13:35 (five months ago) link
I really liked the last season of Seinfeld. if anything I wish they'd gotten weirder with it. but yeah the last 2 episodes were awful, maybe the 2 worst of the series. I agree with wins the idea behind the finale is good and I guess it's understandable - expected, even - to bring back a bunch of old characters...but there just aren't any jokes in it
― frogbs, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 13:48 (five months ago) link
I liked the audio over the end credits, where Jerry is doing hacky standup in jail.
Also liked the shirt button call back, to a bit that was in the first episode, and when George starts in on it in the last ep Jerry goes "Ehh, we've done this ..." or similar. I must have seen the first episode fairly recently before watching the last one, or I wouldn't have remembered.
― nickn, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 16:41 (five months ago) link
A finale of callbacks is fine in theory, but it didn't help that NBC ran a one-hour clip show right before the finale, which had many of those same characters. After that, the also-extended finale felt real tiresome
― Vinnie, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 16:41 (five months ago) link
Apparently it was only 45 minutes but got extended to an hour in syndication haha
― Vinnie, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 16:44 (five months ago) link
The extended callback/non-jokeiness finale seemed heavy-handed in informing the viewer, like, hey, "the heroes of this show are actually terrible people! Do you see?!" If that was novel at the time, it hasn't aged well.
― maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 16:52 (five months ago) link
mocking, mocking, mocking! all they do is mock!
― real warm grandpa (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 16:54 (five months ago) link
It reminds me of the M*A*S*H finale, which was overlong at 2 1/2 hours. I've always suspected that was an executive decision so they could get a full week of reruns in syndication.
― Hideous Lump, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 16:58 (five months ago) link
Since the episode originally aired in a highly unorthodox 75-minute time slot, when packaged for syndication it was edited down to two episodes with 30-minute time slots. This version cut several scenes from the original episode and rearranged some parts
― Kim Kimberly, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 17:07 (five months ago) link
I love the “b-plot only” packages on the YouTube channel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8oItZ4wQkQ
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 17:18 (five months ago) link
they should make the 9/11 script
― fetter, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 17:54 (five months ago) link
the “I love… United Airlines” joke might be the single stupidest line in the entire series.
― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 18:12 (five months ago) link
I love that… line
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 18:55 (five months ago) link
Quite sure he's not the first person to draw this parallel, but I liked how Jake Tapper, talking about a short press scrum of Trump's outside the courtroom today, asked their legal expert to explain his latest "airing of the grievances."
― clemenza, Wednesday, 25 October 2023 20:59 (four months ago) link
slowly rewatching this show, I know it's been said a zillion times but all the meta stuff in Season 4 is even wilder than I remembered. kinda ballsy too. I mean obviously their standing with NBC must've been pretty good at that point but I wonder if they had any objection to how hacky they made their entire lineup look. of course it wouldn't work as well if they weren't incredibly self-deprecating as well. in retrospect Jerry telling Kramer he can't play Kramer because "he can't act" is one of the funniest bits.
last night we watched the opera episode with Crazy Joe Davola - it was genuinely unnerving, I'd forgotten how strange it was to put a character like that in a sitcom. the scene where Elaine walks into his apartment actually got my heart racing. wild that the actor who plays him isn't really in anything else, he was so good in that role.
only thing that bothers me is how effortlessly Jerry seems to pick up women, particularly the ones that don't actually laugh at his jokes
― frogbs, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 16:00 (two months ago) link
That run with Crazy Joe Davola is the best. Sic Semper Tyrannis!
― il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 16:15 (two months ago) link
Re: Jerry's dates, it's been openly discussed in at least a few articles on the show, but there was indeed a conscious decision to have Jerry constantly be with very attractive women. Granted, you see this with nearly every TV show so it's not like it was an unusual decision, but Seinfeld definitely wanted to be a "ladies' man" on his show. If anything, it's more ridiculous with George - the character is designed to be unlikeable (Jerry: "It's getting difficult for me to tell people that I even know you!") and not that attractive (see Elaine trying to sell George on a blind date) but he's constantly dating different women and most of them look like they were cast out of a modeling agency.
― birdistheword, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 19:54 (two months ago) link
"I'm Victoria, hi."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y_6fZGSOQI
― clemenza, Tuesday, 2 January 2024 19:56 (two months ago) link
Re: Jerry, it's actually pretty sensible that a confident benign sociopath, without much in the way of human emotions, would have no trouble getting lots of dates (with zero lasting relationships).
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 January 2024 20:01 (two months ago) link
ok continuing with S4 and there are some bits that have not held up well, for example George getting caught staring at a 15 year old's cleavage and Jerry hooking up with the NYU student who thought him and George were a gay couple
― frogbs, Monday, 8 January 2024 19:47 (two months ago) link
Don't forget Jerry was oogling her first and wanted George to join in. Elaine calls him out on this IIRC, making the specific point that she's only 15. Elaine was pretty awesome in those early seasons - on the DVD commentary, Dreyfus even points out that early on, Elaine was actually very principled and very outspoken about her beliefs, and for whatever reason all that went away by the show's end.
― birdistheword, Monday, 8 January 2024 21:47 (two months ago) link
the reason was the ppl she was hanging out with so much imo
― mark s, Monday, 8 January 2024 21:49 (two months ago) link
I guess that explains the Republican Party's continual descent.
― birdistheword, Monday, 8 January 2024 21:51 (two months ago) link
this is probably true but the reason it comes off so weird to me in the show is that Jerry is such a bad actor, in fact he almost certainly has to be the worst adult lead actor in sitcom history. it still works because he's funny, obviously most of what he does in the show is just a version of his standup act, but occassionally he has to actually express a real emotion and he's so bad at it you almost can't tell what the show's going for sometimes. like even when really bad things happen to him like his car getting stolen or his NBC deal getting cancelled all he can ever express is mild annoyance. Jason Alexander on the other hand might actually be the best sitcom actor ever, I think he's basically perfect in every single scene he's in.
― frogbs, Saturday, 13 January 2024 00:23 (two months ago) link
Re: Jerry's dates, it's been openly discussed in at least a few articles on the show, but there was indeed a conscious decision to have Jerry constantly be with very attractive women. Granted, you see this with nearly every TV show so it's not like it was an unusual decision, but Seinfeld definitely wanted to be a "ladies' man" on his show
imo one saving grace here is that a massive share of jerry's girlfriends on seinfeld were also super talented and went on to have hugely successful careers. the list is insanely stacked. mariska hargitay, catherine keener, lauren graham, daphne from fraser, courtney cox, terri hatcher and marcia cross from desperate housewives, megan mullaly and debra messing, jeniffer coolidge (as the masseuse who won't give jerry a massage), sarah silverman, kristin davis
― flopson, Saturday, 13 January 2024 04:36 (two months ago) link