tracy morgan - classic or dud?

8:00 - The New Norm MacDonald Show
8:30 - The Tracy Morgan Show
9:00 - The WIll Ferrell Show

Brian Fellow - not a troll

http://movies.tvguide.com/Movie-News/Tracy-Morgan-Starring-1001022.aspx

Based on the infamous e-mail scams by a Nigerian prince looking for help in securing his fortune, the film will explore the possibility of an e-mail not being fake. Morgan will play the aforementioned prince, a spoiled son of an overthrown African dictator, who tracks down the young man who answered his e-mail during a drunken stupor.

AMAZING.

He is best known as a regular cast member on VH1's Best Week Ever. He has also appeared on Late Night with Conan O'Brian and The Tonight Show with Jay Leno. He was one of the principal investors in the 2008 Paris Hilton film The Hottie and the Nottie.

THIS HONKY FRESHMAN ROOMMATE BE TRIPPIN'

those 2 are the most annoying best week ever dudes out of all the annoying best week ever ppl

― here gone grow

huh?

gear hung row

I can't believe there is no Uncle Jemima's Mash Liquor skit up on youtube.

those 2 are the most annoying best week ever dudes out of all the annoying best week ever ppl

I hate Kroll but love Mulaney.

http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2009/10/23/tracy_morgan_mommy_issues/index.html

Twelve minutes into his "Fresh Air" interview yesterday, "30 Rock's" Tracy Morgan was in tears. The rambunctious, notoriously volatile Morgan had been recalling his troubled childhood in the Bedford-Stuyvesant neighborhood of Brooklyn -- he was both wistful and angry talking about his father, who returned after five tours of duty in Vietnam with a heroin addiction he eventually kicked -- but the conversation turned painfully emotional when Morgan explained how he left his mother to live with his dad, returning a year later to get his siblings.

“It was a terrible situation,” said Morgan. “It wasn’t my mother’s fault. Something just went off on me. I wanted better for me. That was the hardest day of my life, and I heard my mother cry. It just broke me down, and I think about it now. I never meant to hurt my mother.” Morgan’s voice cracked, and he began to weep.

I believe Smokey Robinson said it best when he said, "Well there's some sad things known to man, but ain't too much sadder than the tears of a clown, when there's no one around" (even though Terry Gross was around in this instance).

he was pretty calm and genuine on stern the other day which is in contrast to his typical appearances. i have the book but have yet to listen to it. i'm sure it's amazing.

audiobook?

wow that was a pretty sad in parts.

wow man i love him even more now which i didn't think that was possible

i've read arguments that terry gross is an emotional bully, but they were not convincing till now.

this was like t gross had never had anyone cry on her show

wow, the pion in that interview where gross is like 'lots of people never know if it's tracy morgan or tracy jordan, why are you being so real with me now?' and he's like 'because you're the first person that wanted to talk about this stuff' was really throwing me. like, the whole interview felt so emotionally honest and then it almost seemed like he was winking at the camera (microphone) at that one spot.

I believe Smokey Robinson said it best when he said, "Well there's some sad things known to man, but ain't too much sadder than the tears of a clown, when there's no one around" (even though Terry Gross was around in this instance).

even sadder is that all his facelift work means that Smokey Robinson's tearducts can no longer access the surface of his face ;_;

Tracy Morgan tells Playboy why he likes to kiss the no-no with his peen:

"I like fucking ass! Ain’t nothin’ like the butthole. The ass is a delicacy, goddamn it. I’d put hot sauce on it. When you eat the brown hole, that’s when her toes do this. [sticks legs out and curls toes] You got to be willing to do anything to please your woman, to satisfy her. I didn’t invent it. You think I was the first one to think of having anal sex with a girl? Hell, no. I’m quite sure Adam fucked Eve in the ass. In the Garden of Eden he tore her ass up, and she was screaming like a motherfucker."

Is it true his kids go to MIT?

like, the whole interview felt so emotionally honest and then it almost seemed like he was winking at the camera (microphone) at that one spot

yeah, this

This guy's book is a really great read!

he's got an HBO special on Saturday night. Looking forward to it.

http://unicornbooty.com/2011/06/tracy-morgan-threatens-to-kill-his-son-if-gay-during-homophobic-tirade-onstage/

30 Rock star and former SNL alum Tracy Morgan’s June 3rd stand-up routine drove offtrack, and eventually off a cliff when the comedian went on a homophobic tirade while onstage in Nashville, Tennessee. Morgan reportedly attacked President Obama for supporting the LGBT community, called homosexuality a choice, and even threatened to stab his own son to death if he ever came home from school and told his father he was gay.

When the audience began to turn on Morgan, he reportedly remarked that “if gays can take a dick up their ass, they can take a joke.”

lol

how can you be a "former alum"?

hes funny on 30 rock but his standup is awful

i saw him and jay mohr together, and jay mohr was funnier than him. JAY MOHR

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20061128213539/uncyclopedia/images/thumb/5/5b/Richmorg.JPG/200px-Richmorg.JPG

there's a great tracy morgan standup special...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvwHcaIus6Y

in front of a champagne-on-tables/white people audience in san francisco or somewhere, where he seems to be purposely digging up the least appropriate material (gagging on dicks and crazy mike from the projects and heroin addiction) for the room. it's an amazing performance. even better for the heckles, including "take a shower!"

i guess i'm in the minority here. i fucking hate that 30 rock tracy jordan bullshit and think his standup is where it's at.

have only seen him on SNL, has never made me laugh

also, has issued standard showbiz apology

what the hell

something about the way this guy on the People magazine comments thread about this (stfu don't judge me) makes his case is really giving me the lols

Rukus1981 4 minutes ago
Tracy Morgan is the man and shouldn't have to apologize for anything. HE'S A COMEDIAN!!! Get over it! Gay people need to learn to tolorate his stance on gays.

stop homophobophobia

this sucks, but i do remember liking that stand-up special

Tracy at :50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqighD_Zd44

This is worse to me than a Mel Gibson meltdown. Fuck his apology.

tina fey and NBC respond, not too happily: http://www.tmz.com/2011/06/10/tina-fey-tracy-morgan-statement-30-rock-nbc-chairman-bob-greenblatt/

http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/06/10/0610-tina-fey-tracy-morgan-ex-getty.jpg

the entire world suddenly = the audience from that standup special, shifting uncomfortably. i hope nbc and tina fey can use this as a springboard to end homophobia.

"I hope for his sake that Tracy's apology will be accepted as sincere by his gay and lesbian co-workers at '30 Rock', without whom Tracy would not have lines to say, clothes to wear, sets to stand on, scene partners to act with, or a printed-out paycheck from accounting to put in his pocket."

damn hardbody tina

i hate the forced "it wasn't funny" thing with this kind of stuff. like, he has to say it wasn't funny IN ANY CONTEXT. it's not cool but it's not suddenly unfunny for being offensive, you know?

i hope nbc and tina fey can use this as a springboard to end homophobia.

Yes, because Tina Fey and the 4th place broadcast network in the country can bring about the end of a problem that is thousands of years old.

if anyone's up to the job, it's this C-list celebrity and her floundering, irrelevant network

fuck this guy

xp umm pretty sure nobody has any illusions about ending homophobia? like is anybody saying or implying that there'll be broader effects of telling this guy "stfu w/the homophobic shit"? besides ppl saying "you're not going to solve the problem" I mean

"I caught this guy who threw a rock through my window"
"great job hero, does nothing to solve the problem of vandalism"
"my bad, you're right, sorry rock throwing guy"

i just wanted to make fun of nbc

fair enough princess tam tam but it does nothing to solve the broader problem of shitty tv

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX_gUQeZcB8

lol

Fuck this guy for ruining my good name.

Sincerely, Max Powers.

Dammit, Max Power, even.

what a disaster for nbc

also: maybe they should hire CHARLIE SHEEN to replace him !!ONE!

fuck this guy

but only if you're a woman, he's not into any of that other stuff!

"It also doesn't line up with the Tracy Morgan I know, who is not a hateful man and is generally much too sleepy and self-centered to ever hurt another person."

lol

lol al

i thought about that norm macdonald bit when this happened too. the difference is he did't say he'd stab his kid in the stomach.

it's not cool but it's not suddenly unfunny for being offensive, you know?

true, but, from the accounts of this, it doesn't sound like a lot of people thought it was funny at all; i know there is no video, but the person who reported it claimed morgan's entire demeanor changed and it no longer seemed like he was telling a joke. I'm going to assume that some of that is probably overblown and not really the case; however, it also doesn't sound like this is new, I read elsewhere that there was a big walk-out on one of Morgan's performances in NYC in 2009 over the same material (why it didn't blow up then I'm not sure).

from Chris Rock:

Tracy morgan is a tad off we all know that so when tracy says something i usually don't take it anymore serious than i would a statement from gary busey or flavor flav .when i first heard the statement i thought it was offensive but it also reminded me of my father saying ill kill you if you ever bring home a white girl but after reading everything tracy said . wow i get it that shit wasn't called for and i don't support it at all. now can i please go to the tony awards without getting my ass kicked .

June 11, 2011

http://www.whosay.com/chrisrock/content/57677?code=dJvpdQ

Haven't really been following this story. But i kinda find it hard to believe in this day and age there wasn't anybody filming a newsworthy career-shifting rant on their iphone.

when tracy says something i usually don't take it anymore serious than i would a statement from gary busey or flavor flav

I smell a bad reality show in the making...

Tracy + Gilbert Gottfried in The Odd Couple 2011.

idk tracy was obviously trying to be offensive and in a "character" but you should still be FUNNY when doing standup

“if gays can take a dick up their ass, they can take a joke.”
-- this is decent enough

threatened to stab his own son to death if he ever came home from school and told his father he was gay.
-- wtf this is not funny

to be fair, you didnt hear the delivery

or if what he was going to stab his son with

maybe it was his penis

seems like this stuff was totally not in line with tracy jordan black-people-wear-jewellery material and totally in line with aggressive cathartic material that he's done for a long time. the reports from the show are all...

Rogers says before the rant, Morgan’s humor (specifically his comments about enjoying when women choke during oral sex) had proved too much for many audience members. But once Morgan launched into his anti-gay comments, more began to leave. Rogers said he stayed for the entire show. “I had to fight myself. I don’t really give in easily and I thought…if I stand up and leave, he wins. It shows him, ‘Hey, I got to you.’ He didn’t get to me. I wasn’t angry; I was just disappointed.I thought he was more intelligent than that,” he says.

you know...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQATFC4UA1g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvxByzdSRg0

I love Tracy- but this is sad as hell. It sounds more like an AA meeting than standup.
shermanhelmsleyIII 3 weeks ago

This is the saddest comedy I have ever witnessed.
jojolynne100 5 months ago

They weren't offended...it was just a dose of reality they weren't prepared for. You can't force 'em to laugh at other peoples misery.
mads888 1 year ago

That's pretty amazing for a standup routine.

yeah that is pretty next level.

HIS LEGG WUZ BLOWED OFF.... IN VIETNAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMM

i thought about that norm macdonald bit when this happened too. the difference is he did't say he'd stab his kid in the stomach.

huh? that norm clip is funny, not offensive

i guess i wanted to show that like the killing your gay son shit is fucked up but it makes sense in the context of the fucked up mean shit that he digs up onstage and it might be jarring and extra fucked up if you're a 30 rock fan that also digs safari planet.

it's like... there must be a lot of examples of people accidentally discovering redd foxx from corny sitcoms or like someone really loving sanford and son and buying a lawanda page album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4LJQY6WLxg

"And then I find out my son is a nerrrrd"
"I'm laughing already!
"...Its not a comedy"

it's like... there must be a lot of examples of people accidentally discovering redd foxx from corny sitcoms or like someone really loving sanford and son and buying a lawanda page album.

http://www.youtube.com/v/X4LJQY6WLxg&fs=1&hl=en

― dylannn, Sunday, June 12, 2011 4:22 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark

well yeah, that happens all the time, almost every successful comic's standup is at least slightly more blue than the TV or film vehicle that makes them famous, Bob Saget being the most extreme example. but obv this controversy isn't solely about the fact that Tracy writes different kinds of jokes than the wacky zingers Tina Fey writes for him.

i know i know. just sayin, part of the problem was that he did it in front of an audience that had a lot of people in it expecting fun anecdotes about working with liz lemon. a standup comedian saying homophobic shit in a club isn't exactly tmz breaking news level stuff otherwise. but of course i really wish it was just a guy upset about macaulay culkin gagging on dicks jokes, rather than a line about stabbing his gay son.

will be accepted as sincere by his gay and lesbian co-workers

kind of dismisses the idea that 30 Rock talent/staff who are straight should also respond to this in a principled way, does it not?

that's the way some shrill blog will decide to interpret it to be most offended by fey, sure

Not offended, just think it's a pretty weak statement.

it builds in all these structures that re-insist that he fucked up in so many ways, what would like for her to have said exactly

‎
EthanSuplee‎: RT @WhoisGregGarcia: I hope one of my sons doesn't turn out to be Tracy Morgan. I don't think I could handle the shame.

Heard some absolutely appalling reporting about this on local radio this morning. The basic facts were correct, but really gave the whole thing a different focus. They reported that Morgan had gone on an "anti-gay rant" (okay, fair enough) where he talked about "beating his son if he came home gay" (uh, come on guys, I think it was a bit more than that). But worse was when they said "30 Rock creator Tina Fey quickly issued a statement in support of Morgan" (uh, really, I don't think she was exactly supporting him.

That bit about his handicapped uncle is amazing

Really that whole set is amazing

i've never seen tracy morgan's stand-up before now and i had no idea he delivered his jokes in the voice of a 60-year-old transvestite

Fey's statement is hard to find fault with AND funnier than i usu find her

^ agreed

this whole thing just makes me want to go OH LOOOOOAAAAAAARD

His standup delivery is chopped-and-screwed in a fantastic way.

woah Hoos, I didn't know you were Tracy's grandmother

Tracy Morgan Comes Out For Gay Marriage, Says He'd Love His Son If He Were Gay

Louis CK weighs in:

Well I've said a lot of things that were worse than what he said. I have my things that make it OK for people when I say them. I have my irony and different levels that I'm working at, so that makes it OK for people around me, for people that come to my shows. And people heard this Tracy shit mostly third-hand. He didn't stand on a public stage and say this stuff. He didn't make these announcements: "Here, America, are my views." Where you say something makes a huge difference about what you say and what it means and what you let yourself say.
There's a lot of times when I let myself channel bad ideas as a way to do comedy. I think it's something that's a healthy thing to do, honestly. And I think the person who really fucked people up and hurt people with Tracy's words was whoever took it out of that Nashville club and put it on the national stage—whoever called Huffington Post or whoever started this shit, and said, "Guess what Tracy Morgan said," and announced it to the rest of the world. He wasn't trying to say it to the rest of the world. So when I read stuff like, How are gay people going to feel when they read this? Well they didn't have to read it! They weren't part of that show. Maybe there were gay people there who were laughing. You don't fucking know. Nobody gets to say that they represent anybody and they're offended on behalf of the whole world.
You can see this shit really bothers me. I didn't carefully inspect what he said. I heard some of it, and it made me laugh. I didn't get the context, but I have to defend it, because if I was in his role, if I was in his situation, which I might be someday—which I already am for having said something on his behalf—I would want someone to step forward and say something. This is a freedom that I live off of. I think, whatever, if Tracy made a mistake, he certainly didn't deserve all of this. And I don't know him well, but he's a good guy. So I'm using that judgment, of just, hey, I met him and he's a good guy. And I get a sense of him as a father, and there's no way he would stab his kid.
It's a dumb thing to take at face value. You'd have to be a moron. And if you do, you are not allowed to laugh at any more jokes. You are not allowed to laugh at any jokes that have any violence or negative feelings attached to them, ironically or otherwise. I think there's a lot of hypocrisy in that. If anybody thinks that what he said is true and there's no comedy in it, don't come to my shows. I've said to many audiences that I think you shouldn't rape someone unless you have a good reason, like you want to fuck them and they won't let you. That's worse than what he said! And I didn't wink and say, just kidding. I just said it.

louis ck NOTM

Maybe there were gay people there who were laughing. You don't fucking know.

no, I'm pretty sure there weren't

that said, Morgan's remarks at that HuffPo link are rad, I think he's got his heart in the right place wherever it was before & for whatever reason - I don't think "he's only doing this to save his career," which people sometimes say when somebody does an about-face, is actually a criticism; I don't give a shit what people's motivation is for deciding to be cool, if somebody decides to be cool then that is good imo

i see where he's coming from but louis is.... offtm

louis' bit is funny because he deftly leads you down this weird road to seeing rape as a rational thing to do, which is unsettling and freaky and hilarious - and it ultimately POINTS UP JUST HOW FUCKED UP RAPE IS. and guess what, no one has complained about it. huh. if tracy morgan was trying to do the same thing it didn't work, and you just really need to be sure what you're doing works when you play with those subjects

i mean, i haven't been following this cause i don't really give a shit, but has tracy morgan said like, hey, that was meant to be an insight into the mind of an asshole rather than my own views or whatever?

I don't think those were his views. I think he was just doing a sort of stream of consciousness shock comedy thing, and it's easy to lose your way when you are just trying to think of the most shocking thing you can think of for laughs.

you could use the same sentence w/r/t michael richards tho?

The offensive part wasn't even the jokes that Michael Richards was making though. It was his reaction to the guy who cried foul in the audience.

I mean, it was already somewhat offensive, sure, but then he went off the rails.

yeah but it was supposed to be funny in a zing-y responding-to-heckler way

Michael Richards verbally attacked members of the audience using racist language. totally different.

like, Tracy Morgan was not threatening to stab gay audience members, or commenting on how 50 years ago it would have been perfectly acceptable for him to stab them for being gay.

so what if the n-word and lynching jokes were part of his act instead? that'd really be better?

depends what the jokes are tbh

(and no I am not going to write this hypothetical material for Michael Richards so don't even ask)

Feel like this should be in here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iqcw77FckOQ

have really never found him funny

Curious what Louis CK thinks Tracy Morgan is suffering here. Morgan said some gross unfunny shit on a public stage (not sure why CK thinks a stage at louisville club isn't public), a guy told everyone that 30 rock's captain wacky was pulling this shit for dollars, everyone went "oh man, not captain wacky, that sucks, I dunno if I like him anymore." To which Captain Wacky didn't say "y'all missed some context, let me educate you" he apologized and went into hardcore damage control. Does CK think people shouldn't point out stuff they think is bullshit? Should America be like "woah, blog poster, that stand-up routine is none of our business, we didn't pay to see it?" I wish CK would find someone specific to disagree with cuz it sounds like he's spitting at strawmen here.

Maybe there's some magic wall where if you're a stand-up you get to vent and lash out and say dumb shit but if you're in the audience you're just supposed to keep quiet and support their commercial endeavors

That's kind of stand-up since Lenny Bruce or the Earl of Rochester, though, no?

so what?

Feel like this should be in here:

got fairly irritated with this schtick 1:30 in and quit watching tbh. I hate the whole "faggot" doesn't mean "gay"! just reminds me of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOxOR3x8FBQ

(ie, an idiot professing an ignorance of how language works in order to protect himself)

louis ck is generally funny but such an idiot when he gets on his soapbox

I'll never understand what point there is to the "yes but Offensive Thing is a tradition as old as the hills" argument.

I'm shocked that anyone going to see Morgan do his routine isn't prepared for whatever. I mean - just look at those YT clips upthread (posted on YT in '08). WTF were the offended parties expecting?

the goofy guy from 30 rock, probably. it's a popular show on tv.

he was also on SNL

those shows are both quite a bit more popular than those youtube clips and this thread, i reckon

Just because some great comedian of yore was unduly punished because idiots couldn't handle his genius use of free speech doesn't mean that one is an idiot for being shocked and disappointed by a comedian saying vile shit, even if this isn't the first time said comedian has said vile shit.

I am of several minds about this.

I totally see Louis CK's point, which seems to be a twofold "stop neutering my profession with selective flavor-of-the-month outrage" argument mixed in with "anyone who has spent more than 5 minutes with this dude would not take that comment at face value", but I find both of those to be very difficult arguments to accept.

Argument 1 falls down because it is attempting to put consistency on an inconsistent emotional reaction. Different things offend different people to different degrees and part of putting stuff out there is accepting the judgment of the people you are speaking to. Tracy Morgan crossed a significant line with his audience, to the point where (like with Michael Richards) it ceased to be seen as part of his act. (Conversely, as awful as Carlos Mencia and Larry the Cable Guy are in their acts, all the loathsome stereotype-baiting bullshit they spew is 100% consistent with their acts and pretty much up front in what you are signing on for when you watch them perform.) Tracy did what he felt was the right thing in response to the negative feedback; Louis CK is attempting to remove that part of the performer-audience loop entirely out of the equation.

The second part is immaterial to the argument because most people watching Tracy Morgan perform don't know him in real life, so they have no idea how nice he is offstage and bringing it up is just hearsay; also, people tend to make allowances for people they know (or know in passing) and like, because no one wants to admit misjudging a person; it's a pretty normal defensive reaction if you are not going to distance yourself from the person.

In summation, I see what you're trying to do Louis CK but really, stfu. We'll get to you when someone mistakes your stage patter for intent.

30 Rock/SNL trade in similarly crude anti-gay humor sometimes, though.

that's some false equivalency there

I think CK is also defending TM since the process in which standup try out new shit is fairly dangerous and Louie knows this kind of thing could quite well bite him on the ass one day. By attacking Morgan, we're moving Louie's safety net. Maybe these guys are starting to believe that a Nashville club that only sit 500 or whatever is the same as their living room.

I am trying to think of the last "stab my gay son dead"-level joke on either SNL or 30 Rock and am coming up blank.

xp: I meant to mention that but figured I'd already used up a lot of words on an argument that boiled down to "stfu Louis CK"

SNL got some shit from GLAAD after their "lol trannies" ad parody a few months ago, too.

I had forgotten about that commercial but, upon rewatching, it seems to be about a thousand times less mean and offensive than "I would stab my gay son dead"

I mean, the most offensive line in it is "men who take Estro-Maxxx may develop an interest in TLC's 'Say Yes To The Dress'"

oh i wasn't saying they were equal levels of offensive, if anything i'm suggesting morgan's was well past the line of where people get understandably offended.

Darin otm

estro-maxx was a disappointingly lazy throwback to the "men with boobs? WHAAAAAA" era of comedy but was pretty low on threats of homophobic violence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMroWnWIqs0

well strictly speaking it was "men with boobs on a treadmill? WHAAAAAA" but yeah

I call them mitties

also the name of one of my cats

to make my point, whatever it is, clearer: I specifically call the breasts mitties

but my entire cat is named mitties, not its breasts

I hope my point is clear

crystal!

I agree it's a false equivalency in that the accepted, polite form of that kind of humor is more insidious and passed off as all in good fun.
There's a strange framework in which it is socially ok to make fun of gay people, and it feels to me as though Tracy is being
punished more for going outside that framework than for being mean, and I would rather see him apologize outside that framework as well
instead of going through the traditional litany of PR repair.

who's punishing him?

society maaannnnnn

he is being punished... by doing high-profile charity work

i mean that's the thing, all the criticisms of the reaction to his actions - I don't even know for sure what's being criticized. There was a general sense of shock/disappointment, and then a flurry of pr statements.

haha yeah, it does seem that the original "wow, too far"/"oops I'm sorry, here let me not only retract but do some work for you guys" interaction should have been the end of this

http://www.louisck.com/welcomeit.htm

One thing I have heard ad nauseum is that this is not censorship because the government didn’t do it. I don't understand why so many people say this.

... because that is the form of censorship we are protected against in this country?

people are seriously stupid

I think the withering look of disappointment in Tracy's surrogate mom, Tina Fey, is probably the greatest punishment of all.

ugh can't Louis CK just be the "extreme Bill Cosby" in terms of awesome parenting anecdotes and not the "extreme Bill Cosby" in terms of being a rambling crank when he tries to be serious?

if censorship by the government is the only form of censorship we're protected from, then there must be other forms of censorship we are not protected from, so saying something isn't censorship because the government isn't perpetrating it is stupid, and that's his point.

LCK first comment mostly OFFtm, new rant mostly OTM.

government is the only institution with the authority/means to censor something - ie, legally bar it from public consumption. if the government's not involved, it's not censorship.

If Louie thinks comedians being fired by their employers for saying fucked up things is the most dangerous thing in America right now, he should maybe pick up a newspaper.

christ stand-ups are some entitled motherfuckers. "hey hey i know you guys are trying to fight a male dominated rape culture but FREE SPEECH TRUMPS ALL YO you can't deny opie & anthony the right to express themselves for millions on the radio by saying they suck to the point that their corporate overlords make a symbolic gesture of suspending them. So stfu when you're offended, I'm fighting big fights here."

(rape of men does not exist)

Um...

itt people confuse censoring with banning. I bet your employer has the power to censor you. I bet NBC's Standards & Practices has the power to censor SNL.

I believe you mean censure

if my son ever tells me only a government can censor speech he's getting stabbed

lol

No, censure and censor and ban are all very different things.

love how morons like CK think that freedom of speech/expression entitles any idiot to a platform on NBC/talk radio/whatever or to not be criticized by the internet.

ugh can't Louis CK just be the "extreme Bill Cosby" in terms of awesome parenting anecdotes and not the "extreme Bill Cosby" in terms of being a rambling crank when he tries to be serious?

― da croupier, Friday, June 17, 2011 3:30 PM

haha kinda feel the same about patton oswalt and that shitty book of his that i still haven't read

okay yeah point conceded about censored vs. banned

xp

Let Opie and Anthony or Tracy Morgan do a fucking a podcast and not get paid for it. They can say whatever they want then. Just like the rest of us Americans.

love how morons like CK think that freedom of speech/expression entitles any idiot to a platform on NBC/talk radio/whatever or to not be criticized by the internet.

― President Keyes, Friday, June 17, 2011 3:46 PM (30 seconds ago) Bookmark

actually he specifically says the opposite:

"Of course you should protest when you hear something you find offensive. You shoudl attack speech that you find deplorable. But not silence it or stand by while it is silenced."

not sure how anyone "silenced" Tracy Morgan here.

I mean if a network or a club owner wants to silence somebody, fine whatever that's their perogative. I may not agree with them, but they're fronting the money.

x-post Well, a lot of the internet criticism is along the lines of "Fire Tracy" which is valid imo

It's the same shit we do when Glenn Beck says his bullshit and we boycott his sponsors. Free expression on both ends of that.

not sure how anyone "silenced" Tracy Morgan here.

I think that was in relation to Opie and Anthony getting fired

yeah all part of the game. if your job is telling people things they want to/are interested in hearing, don't be surprised when you get fired for not delivering.

xp

opie and anthony can take to twitter. no one's silencing them.

"Of course you should protest when you hear something you find offensive. You shoudl attack speech that you find deplorable. But not silence it or stand by while it is silenced."

wtf does he think the goal IS when you attack people for profiting from offensive shit?

stand-ups are smart

it's just absurd. Hey opie and anthony I think you said some toxic shit...what's that? Your corporate overlords decided you might be not worth the kazillions? WHERE'S MY PLACARD? FREE SPEECH IS MORE IMPORTANT.

All problems with offensive entertainers should be quietly mailed to them so they may consider where the line is, lest their employers hear our pleas and engage in censorship.

that Opie & Anthony thing happend 4 years ago... they were suspended for 30 days

an entertainer getting fired for being vile is not even about free speech. It's like saying that every time a network cancels a tv show for low ratings they're stifling the speech of the show's creator. No--things ain't working out.

guess their corporate overlords saw the light- i mean bling..

Tracy Morgan I attack you but I do not silence you

Maybe people should write "(no silence)" at the end of sentences that come off kinda censory

"(take the hint)"

no censo

Hey did you hear about that Chelsea Lately dude dropping homophobic shit at the Chuckle Hut in Topeka? God what an asshole, fuck that guy. PS if you run Coconuts in Lincoln, NE please do not cancel his booking, no censo.

the way CK left the typos in, are you guys sure it isn't a bit? like he's finished off a carton of ice cream
and he's got ice cream on his fingers and the spell-check is telling him it's "fantasy" and he's flipping off the
screen saying, "it's my fantacy! i'll do what i want. you don't scarey me!" then he falls asleep on and hits "send"
with his nose.

Chuckle Hut always cracks me up

I hope your evil corporate overlords come to see you as a liability (no censo)

I think CK is also defending TM since the process in which standup try out new shit is fairly dangerous and Louie knows this kind of thing could quite well bite him on the ass one day. By attacking Morgan, we're moving Louie's safety net. Maybe these guys are starting to believe that a Nashville club that only sit 500 or whatever is the same as their living room.

― Darin, Friday, June 17, 2011 2:53 PM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark

this is basically how i interpreted it - its something most comics are gonna be touchy about, especially ones who push limits like louis does - sometimes you dont really see the line until you've crossed it, and he probably finds it very easy to envision himself being in this position one day. maybe he really thinks the things he's said are just as grotesque and he was just lucky to not say them in front of a crowd that would take it to the press

da poopier otm itt

sure okay, but... why don't you do what you do and cross the bridge of offending someone when you come to it rather than jumping up and down with a "HEY I'M OFFENSIVE DON'T MUZZLE ME" neon sign that seems like it would only attract the touchy buzzkills you are trying to avoid?

I am a fan of Jerry Lewis who's said pretty vile things in interviews and onstage, so whatev

CK's probably offending people on a weekly basis, so it's less pre-emptive than it seems.

There's this part in that comedians show where Chris Rock is cringing on CK's behalf while he drops some N-bombs
while Gervais is cackling like a maniac.

x-post Well, a lot of the internet criticism is along the lines of "Fire Tracy" which is valid imo

― President Keyes, Friday, June 17, 2011 3:50 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark

tbf there's not a very loud call of "Fire Tracy" because c'mon who wants to fuck up 30 Rock

^^^

sure okay, but... why don't you do what you do and cross the bridge of offending someone when you come to it rather than jumping up and down with a "HEY I'M OFFENSIVE DON'T MUZZLE ME" neon sign that seems like it would only attract the touchy buzzkills you are trying to avoid?

― chupacabra - a delicious burrito (DJP), Friday, June 17, 2011 4:11 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

because it touches a nerve! its hard to be composed and cool about things you're freaked out about, even if irrationally. just like some people are touchy about not hearing jokes about stabbing your gay son - its the human condition baby (tyrone biggums voice)

xp: maybe Tracy got a homophobic kidney

x-post Well, a lot of the internet criticism is along the lines of "Fire Tracy" which is valid imo

― President Keyes, Friday, June 17, 2011 3:50 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark

tbf there's not a very loud call of "Fire Tracy" because c'mon who wants to fuck up 30 Rock
--some dude

this is otm and makes me think the Michael Richards thing woulda been more interesting if Seinfeld were still in production.

tbf there's not a very loud call of "Fire Tracy" because c'mon who wants to fuck up 30 Rock

― some dude, Friday, June 17, 2011 4:16 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

haha check out Tina Fey's FB page

if you have to check out a facebook page to hear the call it wasn't that loud

i dunno about all this other stuff but that tracy morgan BLOWED AWFFF...in VIETNAAAAM bit is kinda amazing

x-post Sorry, guess it had to be Nancy Pelosi asking for Tracy's head on HuffPo or something rather than the fans of the show.

i'm just saying the call would be louder to get him off TV if he were still the star of "The Tracy Morgan Show"

just making a point about the relative size of furors, pk.

I'll totally admit this thing could have blown up if tracy had announced we don't understand his artistry or took his homophobic case to fox news

by blown up you mean he'd be a GOP presidential nominee

or if, like Michael Richards, he'd said he said all of that stuff not because he was bigoted but because he was angry

didn't he have a gay persona called "Chico Divine"? Maybe he had a Papa Divine persona, too.

I'm with dylannn waay upthread in that I enjoy Tracy Morgan's standup more than his (IMO) watered down 30 Rock shtick. Also, and probably for another thread, I still don't get the Cult Of Tina Fey.

It's the scar

scarfaces with a cult following: tony montana, brad jordan, tina fey

'mr. brad jordan is back'

'balls and my word, liz lemon'

seems like motherfuckers forgot about omar little

croupier otm itt

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljpkhuqnWh1qzyufx.gif

He's actually doing something.
http://www.tmz.com/2011/06/17/tracy-morgan-glaad-homophobic-slur-comedy-show-gay-criticized/
Altohugh I'm not so sure this is his serious face, looks more like his "hard to watch" face.

Better than just fucking off to Cambodia or whatever it was Michael Richards did though.

So, yo: Anyone can see Tracy Morgan has layers on layers, like a pregnant onion. Let's grab some three-ply with Aloe and let our eyes feel the burn as we decode the Marshall McLuhan of mixed emotions.1 Behold: The Nine Circles of Tracy Morgan, in ascending order of entertainment value.

http://espn.go.com/espn/grantland/story/_/id/6678023/the-nine-circles-tracy-morgan

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Gay Teens Meet With Tracy Morgan

as far as one can tell from outside, the guy seems genuinely trying to make amends.

tracy morgan is doing this right & bringing positive stuff out of his shitty behavior imo xp

sublimation yall

may be trying to learn something, no sin in that.

Yeah gotta say going above and beyond a boilerplate "I'm sorry" press-release is awesome, and shows that he genuinely cares.

I mean, even if it's straight-up cynical damage control, imagine a world where every time someone cracked a slur they put in a shitload of charity time to the offended party as well.

what i'd really like to see, when a public figure "repents" like this, is actually owning their original statements, in the sense of speaking publicly about where those homophobic statements came from, about why they held those opinions.

no one who operates on tracy morgan's level of fame is handler-free enough to speak openly about his feelings AFTER something like this happens

also while it's nice to see this kind of atonement, i think, if i were one of those gay teens, i would be more minded to punch this dude in the face than to smile inanely at his photo op

speaking publicly about where those homophobic statements came from, about why they held those opinions.

I mean, they come from, like, society, man. It would be nice for someone to say "This one time when blah blah happened is where I learned homophobic behavior" but more likely it's an atmosphere he was raised it. Be it schoolyard slurs, family prejudices, culture wars on TV, etc.

what i'd really like to see, when a public figure "repents" like this, is actually owning their original statements, in the sense of speaking publicly about where those homophobic statements came from, about why they held those opinions.

― the smoke cloud of pure hatred (lex pretend), Monday, June 20, 2011 1:42 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

i think this kinda nails why im unimpressed, no matter how many gay teens he apologizes to

jeez

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/07/showbiz/tracy-morgan-hospitalized/index.html

(CNN) - Actor Tracy Morgan was in critical condition after he was injured in a six-car accident early Saturday in New Jersey, authorities said.

The wreck killed at least one person, said Sgt. Gregory William of New Jersey State Police.

NJSP says the driver of the tractor-trailer failed to observe slow-moving traffic ahead," Williams said. "At the last minute, he swerved to try and avoid the Mercedes limo bus but struck it from behind, forcing the limo to rotate and overturn."

Apparently the person killed was Tracy's writer.

Update - he'll live but may lose a leg.

http://www.commdiginews.com/entertainment/updates-on-crash-that-seriously-injures-tracy-morgan-kills-jimmy-mack-19157/

Man, talk about the best with the worst.

According to the criminal complaint, Roper was operating the truck “without having slept for a period in excess of 24 hours resulting in a motor vehicle accident.” It doesn’t specify the basis for that assertion

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/walmart-faults-tracy-morgan-not-736398

"By failing to exercise ordinary care in making use of available seatbelts, upon information and belief, plaintiffs acted unreasonably and in disregard of plaintiffs' own best interests," states Walmart's answer.

can someone involved in law confirm/deny if it's standard to take into account whether or not a plaintiff in a case of vehicular negligence was wearing a seatbelt when awarding damages?

I've seen a lawyer from North Carolina say the seatbelt argument is a non-starter in that state. Don't know about New Jersey, but it's pretty fucking thin just on the face of it.

If I were on a jury, I might knock a bit off the award based on the contributory negligence of the plaintiff, but not fucking much.

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/05/28/tracy-morgans-first-tv-interview-car-accident-air-today

Doing an interview tomorrow with Matt Lauer. Kinda scared to see what shape he's in now.

yipes, yeah

http://www.today.com/popculture/tracy-morgan-speaks-today-show-matt-lauer-first-interview-crash-t23521

I had hoped—no cynicism intended—that settling the lawsuit would speed up his recovery and maybe begin to return him to the spotlight a bit. Still hoping that's the case, but looks like it's going to be a long process.

is Top Five the last thing he did pre-accident?

Well, shit. That was both encouraging and heartbreaking.

Reflecting on his life...“Can’t complain...besides, who would give a f”

would be curious to see this
https://consequenceofsound.net/2021/03/tracy-morgan-playing-louis-armstrong-biopic/